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"I have never felt unsafe having transwomen in any woman only space. " My femininity isn't threatened by someone who was born with a penis making a hotter woman than I am. My safety isn't threatened by sharing a safe space with other people who need the same shelter. My life isn't made any harder by allowing people to exist as the gender they know they are 💜 | |||
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"Not regressive at all, a very considered verdict after long deliberation which simply restates biological reality, while not affecting trans rights under the 2010 Equality Act. " That statement of not affecting trans rights reads about as true as starting a sentence with "Not to sound racist, but..." By basically removing the gender recognition act several protections are now removed from people who still need them. And it's perfectly clear from comments on threads around here that it's been a real rallying cry for transphobes and bigots. | |||
"Isn't this a politics thread now then? 🥪 " Apparently not  | |||
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"Not regressive at all, a very considered verdict after long deliberation which simply restates biological reality, while not affecting trans rights under the 2010 Equality Act. " I respectfully disagree in all counts. It states an oversimplified version of biology that is not reflected in current scientific understanding. Indeed the Court simplistically defines ‘biological sex’ as “the sex of a person at birth”. This means, presumably, sex as initially recorded on one’s birth certificate - a matter of documentation and presumption, rather than actual biology. The deliberation was skewed. The judgment goes out of its way to give special thanks to Ben Cooper KC - acting on behalf of Sex Matters, who were allowed to intervene in the case - stating that he “gave focus and structure to the argument” that sex should be given its ‘biological meaning’. Cooper has previously acted on behalf of gender critical activists Maya Forstater and Allison Bailey. No trans people were allowed to give evidence before the court. The decision seems to make it lawful to exclude trans people from single-sex spaces, under any circumstances. Previously, it was thought that to exclude trans people from a single-sex space, the exclusion had to be shown to be a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Now, the exclusion is automatic for trans people trying to access a space which does not coincide with their ‘biological sex’ (sex assigned at birth). Instead, the Court explains that the exclusion is intended to additionally prohibit trans people from accessing spaces aligned with their ‘biological sex’. This lets anti-trans activists have their cake and eat it too, forcing trans people out of public life. In terms of Equalities law, the Supreme Court claims that this ruling does not lessen trans people’s rights. Trans people can still claim discrimination based on the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, regardless of their sex. The Court also states that whilst trans women can still be protected from discrimination based on sex, on the grounds of perception. That is, that whilst they are considered male for the purpose of the Act, they can still be discriminated against by someone perceiving them as female. This does, however, raise the possibility of a defence that your discriminator knew you were ‘biologically male’, so they couldn’t have been perceiving you as female. However, it is likely that this claim could then be framed as discrimination based on gender reassignment. More worryingly, the Court acknowledges that this removes Equal Pay Protection from trans women with a Gender Recognition Certificate, who will no longer be able to claim that they are being underpaid compared to male colleagues. However, the Court justifies this on the basis that the right is simply being transferred to a different group of trans people - trans men with a Gender Recognition Certificate - who will now be able to bring such claims against male colleagues. This is even though trans women remain significantly underpaid, even more so than their cis female colleagues. | |||
"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪" It's not like the men's babe. We have our own individual cubicles with closed doors rather than a big piss trough 💜 | |||
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"Isn't this a politics thread now then? 🥪 " It wasn’t intended as such. Rather it was a statement of solidarity with people who might be scared and feeling isolated. Easy for the big abstract ideals to mask actual people and their lives. | |||
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"Babe ...🤮 🥪" Grow up | |||
"The problem is not the Judgement (from what parts of it I have read), which is a a thorough, reasoned analysis of the statute but rather the agendas of people who seize on it to vindicate their own unreconstructed world view. The judiciary can only be concerned with the correct legal interpretation. It is our elected representatives who have to ensure that the law reflects the wishes of society. If they are unhappy with how the Equality Act has been interpreted, I would expect them to repeal it. I doubt they will." Yes, that is a better way of putting it. Thank you | |||
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"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪" Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔 | |||
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"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪 Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔" Fancy that x | |||
"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪 Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔" Do you mean trans women? 🥪 | |||
"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪 Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔 Do you mean trans women? 🥪" Trans women are women. You're the one who said guys in the toilet. Which is pretty much just anti-trans scare stories. | |||
"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪 Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔 Do you mean trans women? 🥪 Trans women are women. You're the one who said guys in the toilet. Which is pretty much just anti-trans scare stories. " Trans women are trans women aka men, and now the supreme court has ruled as such! Please done use divisive language Julia 🥪 | |||
"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪 Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔 Do you mean trans women? 🥪 Trans women are women. You're the one who said guys in the toilet. Which is pretty much just anti-trans scare stories. Trans women are trans women aka men, and now the supreme court has ruled as such! Please done use divisive language Julia 🥪" Maybe I misread the judgement but I never saw the supreme court call trans women men. They made a judgement that the equality act is referring to Cis women when it states women. Unless otherwise stated that makes trans women trans women not men | |||
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"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪 Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔 Do you mean trans women? 🥪 Trans women are women. You're the one who said guys in the toilet. Which is pretty much just anti-trans scare stories. Trans women are trans women aka men, and now the supreme court has ruled as such! Please done use divisive language Julia 🥪 Maybe I misread the judgement but I never saw the supreme court call trans women men. They made a judgement that the equality act is referring to Cis women when it states women. Unless otherwise stated that makes trans women trans women not men" If trans women are not biological women, then obviously they are biological men. The Court decision makes no difference to how they self identify or live their lives. | |||
"When we talk about Trans women, haven't they had surgery? K." Not necessarily. Not all trans people have surgery. They are still trans. Donna | |||
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"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin." Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜 | |||
"Yeah, those bigots not wanting 50yr old guys with a penis sharing a toilet with 8 yr old girls...🥪 Almost as if men are the problem. 🤔 Do you mean trans women? 🥪 Trans women are women. You're the one who said guys in the toilet. Which is pretty much just anti-trans scare stories. Trans women are trans women aka men, and now the supreme court has ruled as such! Please done use divisive language Julia 🥪 Maybe I misread the judgement but I never saw the supreme court call trans women men. They made a judgement that the equality act is referring to Cis women when it states women. Unless otherwise stated that makes trans women trans women not men If trans women are not biological women, then obviously they are biological men. The Court decision makes no difference to how they self identify or live their lives. " This is not true on many counts | |||
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"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin. Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜" I doubt getting laid is a priority of the Supreme Court judges. They, and some people on this thread, have a different opinion on this issue to you. It doesn't make you a good person or them bad, and if the thread's going to descend into insults then hopefully it will be closed, as a similar thread was rather swiftly. | |||
"And I really resent the implication that trans women are paedophiles. " Anyone from any gender group can be paedophiles, murderers, gang members whatever. The issue I had was that allowing trans women to use women's toilets and changing rooms is opening up a potential loophole. Oh its alright I'll just pop on a wig and a dress, say I'm trans and I can get into public toilets and changing rooms used by children. I'm all for people having rights to identify how they want, but vulnerable members of the public should always be at the forefront of decisions like this. And for that view, I don't apologise. | |||
"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin. Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜 I doubt getting laid is a priority of the Supreme Court judges. They, and some people on this thread, have a different opinion on this issue to you. It doesn't make you a good person or them bad, and if the thread's going to descend into insults then hopefully it will be closed, as a similar thread was rather swiftly." Gosh. That’s you told, Prey. | |||
"Isn't this a politics thread now then? 🥪 It wasn’t intended as such. Rather it was a statement of solidarity with people who might be scared and feeling isolated. Easy for the big abstract ideals to mask actual people and their lives." Thanks for this, OP. It is indeed a difficult day for many. Mrs TMN x | |||
"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin. Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜 I doubt getting laid is a priority of the Supreme Court judges. They, and some people on this thread, have a different opinion on this issue to you. It doesn't make you a good person or them bad, and if the thread's going to descend into insults then hopefully it will be closed, as a similar thread was rather swiftly." Another case of you're wrong if you disagree.. just when I thought the forum had become fun again..  | |||
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"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin. Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜 I doubt getting laid is a priority of the Supreme Court judges. They, and some people on this thread, have a different opinion on this issue to you. It doesn't make you a good person or them bad, and if the thread's going to descend into insults then hopefully it will be closed, as a similar thread was rather swiftly. Another case of you're wrong if you disagree.. just when I thought the forum had become fun again.. "Politics always poisons the Lounge. There's a thread on this subject in Politics which is much more balanced and less fractious. I have no clue why this thread has not been moved there too.🤷♂️ | |||
"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin. Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜 I doubt getting laid is a priority of the Supreme Court judges. They, and some people on this thread, have a different opinion on this issue to you. It doesn't make you a good person or them bad, and if the thread's going to descend into insults then hopefully it will be closed, as a similar thread was rather swiftly. Gosh. That’s you told, Prey. " Not really, just expressing an opinion that doesn't refer to another poster having three brain cells, or pretending to be a good person to be laid. I hope the Lounge is inclusive enough to allow a variety of opinions which, unlike those, don't resort to personal abuse. | |||
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"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin. Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜 I doubt getting laid is a priority of the Supreme Court judges. They, and some people on this thread, have a different opinion on this issue to you. It doesn't make you a good person or them bad, and if the thread's going to descend into insults then hopefully it will be closed, as a similar thread was rather swiftly. Gosh. That’s you told, Prey. Not really, just expressing an opinion that doesn't refer to another poster having three brain cells, or pretending to be a good person to be laid. I hope the Lounge is inclusive enough to allow a variety of opinions which, unlike those, don't resort to personal abuse." Well said  | |||
"All this virtue signalling is making my head spin. Believe it or not, some people actually give a shit about other humans. They don't just pretend to be a good human on the off chance it'll get them laid 💜 I doubt getting laid is a priority of the Supreme Court judges. They, and some people on this thread, have a different opinion on this issue to you. It doesn't make you a good person or them bad, and if the thread's going to descend into insults then hopefully it will be closed, as a similar thread was rather swiftly. Gosh. That’s you told, Prey. Not really, just expressing an opinion that doesn't refer to another poster having three brain cells, or pretending to be a good person to be laid. I hope the Lounge is inclusive enough to allow a variety of opinions which, unlike those, don't resort to personal abuse." And that’s me told. Glad you’re here to keep us right, Leo. | |||
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"Hopefully one day, we can all get along. Noone will care about genders, religion, race, colour, sexuality, disabilities etc etc etc. It's all a distraction from wider issues. This gets all the attention with the media, it says big topic in the HoC. Then they low slip in some laws that make life for everyone that little bit more shit, but makes rich people even better off. They've been using things like this to distract the public for years. The next big topic will be UKIPs "NET STUPID ZERO". My elderly mum has never left the women's toilets and felt scared on Transwomen. In fact she would probably enjoy speaking with them cos she's a nosey git and will all sorts of personal questions 🤣 One of the safest clubs to have a night out are the LGBT+ clubs... It's not the security that make it safe, it's the mentality of the vast majority of people that attend. Anyone who sees this a "victory" for society. You believe the next big topic, and the one after that and so on. I bet in some places in the UK people still don't want to share spaces with coloured people. Let's see how many join that cause then scream for Victory if that comes to fruition. Rant rant rant... I like a rant I guess. In short, People in general are happier together. Society moves forward together, life improves for all. If you don't agree, I don't care as I won't be reading any replies 🤣" 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 | |||
"Hopefully one day, we can all get along. Noone will care about genders, religion, race, colour, sexuality, disabilities etc etc etc. It's all a distraction from wider issues. This gets all the attention with the media, it says big topic in the HoC. Then they low slip in some laws that make life for everyone that little bit more shit, but makes rich people even better off. They've been using things like this to distract the public for years. The next big topic will be UKIPs "NET STUPID ZERO". My elderly mum has never left the women's toilets and felt scared on Transwomen. In fact she would probably enjoy speaking with them cos she's a nosey git and will all sorts of personal questions 🤣 One of the safest clubs to have a night out are the LGBT+ clubs... It's not the security that make it safe, it's the mentality of the vast majority of people that attend. Anyone who sees this a "victory" for society. You believe the next big topic, and the one after that and so on. I bet in some places in the UK people still don't want to share spaces with coloured people. Let's see how many join that cause then scream for Victory if that comes to fruition. Rant rant rant... I like a rant I guess. In short, People in general are happier together. Society moves forward together, life improves for all. If you don't agree, I don't care as I won't be reading any replies 🤣" 🥱 | |||
"Not regressive at all, a very considered verdict after long deliberation which simply restates biological reality, while not affecting trans rights under the 2010 Equality Act. That statement of not affecting trans rights reads about as true as starting a sentence with "Not to sound racist, but..." By basically removing the gender recognition act several protections are now removed from people who still need them. And it's perfectly clear from comments on threads around here that it's been a real rallying cry for transphobes and bigots."
Thanks Prey  .
I think some people would be happy with a chromosome test kit they could enforce use of, to try to force division between people. | |||
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"Trans women are not a threat to biological women and are one of the most marginalised sections of society. " This. Great thread op  | |||
