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Soldiers covering for each other, no matter what.
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How common is this? From what I've seen, it happens more than many would believe.
For example, a soldier threatened to r*pe me, while also making anti-gay slurs. Shocked about this, I spoke to two other soldiers about the incident, and both basically called me a liar, despite the fact that I have evidence proving it was real. After which, they stopped all contact. Guilty conscience, perhaps?
As a member of the public, I find it incredibly disturbing to see this. It's not the first time I have witnessed such behaviour before from servicemen, and have spoken to others with similar experiences. The only difference, is that it was regarding something more serious this time.
The culture of concealment has long been written about and studied. It would be foolish to think that it has completely disappeared. |
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"How common is this? From what I've seen, it happens more than many would believe.
For example, a soldier threatened to r*pe me, while also making anti-gay slurs. Shocked about this, I spoke to two other soldiers about the incident, and both basically called me a liar, despite the fact that I have evidence proving it was real. After which, they stopped all contact. Guilty conscience, perhaps?
As a member of the public, I find it incredibly disturbing to see this. It's not the first time I have witnessed such behaviour before from servicemen, and have spoken to others with similar experiences. The only difference, is that it was regarding something more serious this time.
The culture of concealment has long been written about and studied. It would be foolish to think that it has completely disappeared. "
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"This sounds like a police matter."
Correct. However, I am not impeding a live investigation, so do not see the issue. I've also not identified anyone.
Are people not allowed to talk about their own experiences? |
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"This sounds like a police matter.
Correct. However, I am not impeding a live investigation, so do not see the issue. I've also not identified anyone.
Are people not allowed to talk about their own experiences?"
I think they were actually giving a recommendation to involve the police |
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"This sounds like a police matter.
Correct. However, I am not impeding a live investigation, so do not see the issue. I've also not identified anyone.
Are people not allowed to talk about their own experiences?
I think they were actually giving a recommendation to involve the police "
Ah, I see. My bad. I'm aware that it is a matter the police deal with. |
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By *iver78Man 18 hours ago
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I was in the navy from 17 to 35 and YES unfortunately it is a thing , the people you serve with are your family and think we can all agree our families always back us up , does make this right and genuinely I beleive you should inform the police , I can guarantee the perpetrators will get called up by the commanding at the very least ,who will ask them questions which is only some cancelation but may help a little
Sorry to hear of your experience |
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By *iver78Man 18 hours ago
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"I was in the navy from 17 to 35 and YES unfortunately it is a thing , the people you serve with are your family and think we can all agree our families always back us up , does make this right and genuinely I beleive you should inform the police , I can guarantee the perpetrators will get called up by the commanding at the very least ,who will ask them questions which is only some cancelation but may help a little
Sorry to hear of your experience "
Meant to put DOES NOT make it right |
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There is a slight difference there. Think of how many witnesses there are when they are acting out when out on the town. It's important to remember that the whole unit can be punished for bad behaviour on a night out. Hence why one might be more likely to say something. |
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By *iver78Man 17 hours ago
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"True. I do believe though that it is more prevalent in some than others."
When you do a 3 mth tour in a war zone and you litrally spend 24/7 with people it creates a very close bond , however !! That's between that said group , I wouldent think twice about pulling somebody else up in this kind off sotuation ( service man or not ). |
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"True. I do believe though that it is more prevalent in some than others.
When you do a 3 mth tour in a war zone and you litrally spend 24/7 with people it creates a very close bond , however !! That's between that said group , I wouldent think twice about pulling somebody else up in this kind off sotuation ( service man or not )."
I could maybe understand if they even acknowledged what I was feeling, without throwing blame at a colleague. What really made me angry was their flat out dismissal. |
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By *iver78Man 17 hours ago
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"True. I do believe though that it is more prevalent in some than others.
When you do a 3 mth tour in a war zone and you litrally spend 24/7 with people it creates a very close bond , however !! That's between that said group , I wouldent think twice about pulling somebody else up in this kind off sotuation ( service man or not ).
I could maybe understand if they even acknowledged what I was feeling, without throwing blame at a colleague. What really made me angry was their flat out dismissal. "
If you dont talk about it never happend - unfortunately thats how it works with some people im afraid. But if you report it I can guarantee they will have to have a very very awkward conversation, with someone , |
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It’s not just the armed forces, if you ever have a medical negligence claim and need to obtain a Medical Expert report, you’ll be hard pushed to find someone in the medical profession who will openly go on record and say in Court that a colleague was negligent.
It’s madness. |
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"True. I do believe though that it is more prevalent in some than others.
When you do a 3 mth tour in a war zone and you litrally spend 24/7 with people it creates a very close bond , however !! That's between that said group , I wouldent think twice about pulling somebody else up in this kind off sotuation ( service man or not ).
I could maybe understand if they even acknowledged what I was feeling, without throwing blame at a colleague. What really made me angry was their flat out dismissal. "
There's also an issue with the wider public, either dismissing or minimising serious abuse and threats when it happens to a man. We are expected to deal with it. Gay men get even less sympathy, if it is regarding either r*pe itself or r*pe threats. |
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By *inkShyWoman 17 hours ago
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"There is a slight difference there. Think of how many witnesses there are when they are acting out when out on the town. It's important to remember that the whole unit can be punished for bad behaviour on a night out. Hence why one might be more likely to say something. "
There is a difference, but your statement and question was whether they cover up for each other 'no matter what'. I was answering that and saying that they don't cover up no matter what. There are times that they don't. |
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"True. I do believe though that it is more prevalent in some than others.
When you do a 3 mth tour in a war zone and you litrally spend 24/7 with people it creates a very close bond , however !! That's between that said group , I wouldent think twice about pulling somebody else up in this kind off sotuation ( service man or not ).
I could maybe understand if they even acknowledged what I was feeling, without throwing blame at a colleague. What really made me angry was their flat out dismissal.
If you dont talk about it never happend - unfortunately thats how it works with some people im afraid. But if you report it I can guarantee they will have to have a very very awkward conversation, with someone , "
One even had the audacity to say "Well, It's never happened to me". As if that makes the whole thing untrue. You can't make this shit up. |
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"There is a slight difference there. Think of how many witnesses there are when they are acting out when out on the town. It's important to remember that the whole unit can be punished for bad behaviour on a night out. Hence why one might be more likely to say something.
There is a difference, but your statement and question was whether they cover up for each other 'no matter what'. I was answering that and saying that they don't cover up no matter what. There are times that they don't. "
True. I get where you are coming from, and just want to be clear that I was not referring to every single serving soldier. |
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"It’s not just the armed forces, if you ever have a medical negligence claim and need to obtain a Medical Expert report, you’ll be hard pushed to find someone in the medical profession who will openly go on record and say in Court that a colleague was negligent.
It’s madness."
My Aunt went through this with medical negligence on the NHS. It certainly is madness. |
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"It's wrong that you come on here to besmirch soldiers with your alleged story. If you've got evidence then you should go to the police."
Please don't speak to me in that manner.
Do you have skin in the game?
Where have I stated that I didn't go to the police, or that it hasn't been dealt with? |
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"It's wrong that you come on here to besmirch soldiers with your alleged story. If you've got evidence then you should go to the police.
Please don't speak to me in that manner.
Do you have skin in the game?
Where have I stated that I didn't go to the police, or that it hasn't been dealt with? "
I seriously hope nothing like that ever happens to you. It's not something I would wish on anyone. If it ever did, I'd expect others to treat you with more respect and decency than you have bothered to show me.
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"It's wrong that you come on here to besmirch soldiers with your alleged story. If you've got evidence then you should go to the police.
Please don't speak to me in that manner.
Do you have skin in the game?
Where have I stated that I didn't go to the police, or that it hasn't been dealt with? "
I just realised that I used a technically or incomplete use of the term "skin in the game" when I meant to imply bias. |
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It is common everywhere. I have seen teachers close ranks, civil servants, NHS staff, the military, council workers andvthe police all commit similar protective attitudes. Its almost a tribal mentality so not just limited to the armed forces. They think they are being protective against perceived hostile external forces. Unfortunately cannot see it ending any time soon. |
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I think it's natural to want to protect the people you're close to. Also in indoctrinated brotherhood that's perhaps more than simply believing the person you care for over a stranger without evidence.
It's always been a thing. It will probably never not be a thing.
Sorry you went through it OP 💜 |
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"I think it's natural to want to protect the people you're close to. Also in indoctrinated brotherhood that's perhaps more than simply believing the person you care for over a stranger without evidence.
It's always been a thing. It will probably never not be a thing.
It's sadly true. More should be done though to at least minimise the issue.
Thanks for the reply. I've been through worse and dealt with it x
Sorry you went through it OP 💜"
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Any group will generally defend their peers from outsiders. It’s human nature. You can see it on here when it all kicks off and people end up defending a friend for stuff that they probably wouldn’t condone if they hadn’t been drawn into it emotionally. |
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