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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Has anybody been watching this and if so what are your _iews

Me personally think that white Dee is a piece of work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I don't think that's the case, but they really ain't doing themselves any favours, complaining that they can't afford food and rent, yet they all smoke and drink constantly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor."

Think they do that themselves dont they?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the above 2 posts pretty much proove my point.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

dont hate the poor and disenfranchised

hate those who keep them there

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"dont hate the poor and disenfranchised

hate those who keep them there "

Don't vote Tory then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I don't hate them, I'm just saying that they don't help themselves.

I do think this has been aired in this manner to raise support from the general public for the implementation of the scheduled benefit cuts

Ps White Dee stole 15k from a charity she was involved with, so she's not that poor

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

Just saw a Facebook photo of downing st changed to benefit st.

Which is more apt

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes! have you seen the signs they are putting up around London about the MP's who have been cheating the system

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't hate them, I'm just saying that they don't help themselves.

I do think this has been aired in this manner to raise support from the general public for the implementation of the scheduled benefit cuts

Ps White Dee stole 15k from a charity she was involved with, so she's not that poor"

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor.

Think they do that themselves dont they?"

All in the name of TV.

people think reality tv is some fly on the wall program

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

No desire to watch it.

Not inclined to add to the negatives dished to some of the poorest, or the excuses from some who abuse it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor.

Think they do that themselves dont they?

All in the name of TV.

people think reality tv is some fly on the wall program"

There are people like that there always have been. we dont need a television program to tell us do we, not realy.

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By *uby0000Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

when I was little we had families like this took no pride in the houses cos our street was bad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anybody been watching this and if so what are your _iews

Me personally think that white Dee is a piece of work"

These types of programmes will always stir up strong feeling. Personally, it just makes me realise how fortunate most of us are. I don't feel anything but pity for a lot of these people. They are in a situation that is spiralling out of control, and you get the impression that most have given up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anybody been watching this and if so what are your _iews

Me personally think that white Dee is a piece of work"

Her tits are well big and she dosnt wear a bra too!

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By *ranny SueTV/TS over a year ago

folkestone

I have lived in Spain for many years and only returned in the last two years. What is blatantly obvious in this country is that there are not any poor people .

Benefits Street is typical of areas in any town or city. Can any of the occupants be classed as poor? Of course not because they have tattoos, they drink, they smoke...all these activities cost a lot of money. They enjoy their rents paid, free schools, free health care, food banks. None of these people understand the definition of the word 'poor' . they all need a kick up the backside and made to work.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"I have lived in Spain for many years and only returned in the last two years. What is blatantly obvious in this country is that there are not any poor people .

I think its about benefits and not being poor and I would say have you been living under a rock the same time

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"dont hate the poor and disenfranchised

hate those who keep them there "

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By *ubble troubleCouple over a year ago

Manchester

Actual benefits cheats are immensely annoying but the amount of money they cost taxpayers is dwarfed by the amount a) paid out in error by the government and b) complex aggressive tax avoidance by multinationals.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I haven't been watching it and wouldn't want it. It's government propaganda designed to instill hate and I see more than enough of that.

Where are the programmes about the man who died recently in a freezing cold flat having been left with no money at all for 14 WEEKS due to a DWP mistake, and the numerous similar cases?

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

*wouldn't watch it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Never judge a person till you have walked a mile in there shoes

this is just blatant propaganda by the goverment and channel4 trying too look edgy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't been watching it and wouldn't want it. It's government propaganda designed to instill hate and I see more than enough of that.

Where are the programmes about the man who died recently in a freezing cold flat having been left with no money at all for 14 WEEKS due to a DWP mistake, and the numerous similar cases?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anybody been watching this and if so what are your _iews

Me personally think that white Dee is a piece of work"

It's government propaganda to eventually make all people on benefits live in certain undesirable areas , and quite rightly so. I have seen some people in my travels that ate on benefits , and have a house paid for by housing benefit that has a bigger garden/ drive and even rooms than mine which I pay for . I also see some people on benefits that get given a free car, yes a brand new free car every 3 years .

I think America has whole areas, of low income housing and that is what the government is trying to do in this country

I did read in the sun at the weekend that some benefit scrounger was complaining that they could not afford 4 bottles of vodka a week , and now could only afford 1

When you look at the majority of people on benefits have had their benefits capped at £500 per week and compare these with people who take shitty jobs in the fast food injury with earnings of about £280-00 per week , it does not seem fair to me.

But most importantly there are those that genuinely want to work and they are being held back by the governments portrayal of benefits and of the tv portrayals of benefits street and benefit claimants and I can see their point , why work when you can get it for free.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"dont hate the poor and disenfranchised

hate those who keep them there

Don't vote Tory then."
never have & never will

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Has anybody been watching this and if so what are your _iews

Me personally think that white Dee is a piece of work

I think America has whole areas, of low income housing and that is what the government is trying to do in this country

I did read in the sun at the weekend that some benefit scrounger was complaining that they could not afford 4 bottles of vodka a week , and now could only afford 1

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think that the production of such TV programmes should be banned. The point made earlier about demonising the poor is quite correct and having seen a trailer I made it a point not to watch such TV trash. In essence such programmes are made for next to nothing, shown at prime time to maximise advertising revenue and add little value to the debate on the growing financial divide in our society. Perhaps a boycott on _iewing such shock provoking shows might make TV executives think about commissioning such rubbish.

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By *andy_tomMan over a year ago

wolverhampton

"Has anybody been watching this and if so what are your _iews

Me personally think that white Dee is a piece of work"

least we dont forget this goverment a few years ago abolished the minimum wage and some jobs where on the job center bords at just £1 an hour. . they only look after the rich and there self.

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By *icebloke551Man over a year ago

Kidderminster

It's not demoralising the poor it's just showing what it's like in a street in a big city and the same image in towns across the country .every one has a choice work or not work if you want a job there are jobs there .just some people choose a paid life on benefits .the whole time the programme is on has anyone seen anybody look for a job or go to the job centre !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I have lived in Spain for many years and only returned in the last two years. What is blatantly obvious in this country is that there are not any poor people .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

least we dont forget this goverment a few years ago abolished the minimum wage and some jobs where on the job center bords at just £1 an hour. . they only look after the rich and there self.

This government abolished the minimum wage? When was that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And the above 2 posts pretty much proove my point.

Totally agree,

I not on the dole myself but I have a reason, they offered myself a 13 week course setting up my own business, which I was intrested in, I set it up the business plann got signed off so the jobcenter signed me off, no clients no cash cumin in nothing,

Yer it was hard I see y they done it and now two years on today I have a ppt with a client regarding me becoming there agent,

My opinion is it the same evreywhere no matter what you do for a living it is a struggle, even at a million quid think about at what can u spend it on nothing good in this day an age

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It's not demoralising the poor it's just showing what it's like in a street in a big city and the same image in towns across the country .every one has a choice work or not work if you want a job there are jobs there .just some people choose a paid life on benefits .the whole time the programme is on has anyone seen anybody look for a job or go to the job centre !"

They are the minority and do not accurately reflect how most people on benefits live.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Actual benefits cheats are immensely annoying but the amount of money they cost taxpayers is dwarfed by the amount a) paid out in error by the government and b) complex aggressive tax avoidance by multinationals."

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anybody been watching this and if so what are your _iews

Me personally think that white Dee is a piece of work

I think America has whole areas, of low income housing and that is what the government is trying to do in this country

I did read in the sun at the weekend that some benefit scrounger was complaining that they could not afford 4 bottles of vodka a week , and now could only afford 1

So you read it in the Sun did you? It must be true.

These people with the new cars? Wouldn't be people who legitimately qualify for mobility allowances by any chance?!

What bile-filled post. Gave me indigestion over my breakfast table.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i have stopped watching it and not because its rubbish or that it reflects badly on the people who are on benefits in general.

i have stopped watching it because we are making celebrities out of these hangers on.

i live in birmingham and have worked in that area on more than one occasion and when you have packs of kids aged between 6-15 walking the streets with bull terriers or rottweilers at 3 in the morning on a school night then there are fundamental issues at play and these issues are not the governments making (whatever party is in) the issues lie firmly at the doors of the parents.

there seems to be a culture in this country of blaming everybody else for your own mistakes in life, if people want to advance themselves in life they have plenty of oppurtunities to do so with free education up to and including university and if they are not academically inclined then there are free courses at schools and colleges in all the trades.

it just means they have to do what 95 % of this country has always done which is show commitment and work hard to better oneself.

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By *andy_tomMan over a year ago

wolverhampton

least we dont forget this goverment a few years ago abolished the minimum wage and some jobs where on the job center bords at just £1 an hour. . they only look after the rich and there self.

This government abolished the

minimum wage? When was that?"

it was a few years ago but beleave me they did abollish the minimum wage and there where jobs advertised at just £1 an hour. so you can see how they looked after the poorest people. made them worse off .the minimum wage then was about £3 an hour. ... making the rich richer and the poor poorer. .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

least we dont forget this goverment a few years ago abolished the minimum wage and some jobs where on the job center bords at just £1 an hour. . they only look after the rich and there self.

This government abolished the

minimum wage? When was that?

I am an employer. I can confirm the minimum wage is in place. Not to say that any of ours are!

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By *andy_tomMan over a year ago

wolverhampton

and forget the pole tax .

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"i have stopped watching it and not because its rubbish or that it reflects badly on the people who are on benefits in general.

i have stopped watching it because we are making celebrities out of these hangers on.

it just means they have to do what 95 % of this country has always done which is show commitment and work hard to better oneself."

Free education up to and including university? What planet are you on? Try £9000 fees! Not so free.

There are also currently lots of graduates out of work and "over-qualified" for many of the jobs available!

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

And that's without counting people who can't work due to ill health who would love to recover and get back to work but who aren't getting the treatment they need due to cuts in the NHS.

Remember please that a lot of people on benefits do work, but don't make a living wage, and many more did work and paid NI for this system which is supposed to support and help them now. Instead they are left in poverty and portrayed as scroungers and the scum of the earth.

And, as seen here, people are falling for it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor."

We have mixed feelings on this one .

The show certainly doesn't demonise the poor .

The community spirit is admirable .

The sheer lack of intelligence is incredible at times , then you stop and realise it's not their fault .

It is real , and a reflection of what goes on .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is all just a big bag of bollocks, the production staff are buying them drink and fags so they sit out on the streets getting pissed and acting cunts,

Now I'm not saying that the aren't taking the piss out of the system but channel 4 are over exaggerating it for the program,

The ones that annoy me are the young couple that scammed 15000 pound in benefits and are now complaining that they have to pay it back, they should be in jail

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is all just a big bag of bollocks, the production staff are buying them drink and fags so they sit out on the streets getting pissed and acting cunts,

Now I'm not saying that the aren't taking the piss out of the system but channel 4 are over exaggerating it for the program,

The ones that annoy me are the young couple that scammed 15000 pound in benefits and are now complaining that they have to pay it back, they should be in jail

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor.

We have mixed feelings on this one .

The show certainly doesn't demonise the poor .

The community spirit is admirable .

The sheer lack of intelligence is incredible at times , then you stop and realise it's not their fault .

It is real , and a reflection of what goes on .

Well there are a couple there with learning disabilities.

The show didn't tell that to the people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"dont hate the poor and disenfranchised

hate those who keep them there "

For those who knock the relatively easy targets of peoiple who live on 'Benefits Street', would you want to swap places with them?

Meanwhile multi millionaires avoid paying tax 'legally'.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor.

We have mixed feelings on this one .

The show certainly doesn't demonise the poor .

The community spirit is admirable .

The sheer lack of intelligence is incredible at times , then you stop and realise it's not their fault .

It is real , and a reflection of what goes on .

It's a reflection of what goes on in a minority of cases. It is not representative of most benefit claimants.

And don't forget that by far the largest chunk of the welfare budget - something like one third - goes on pensions. Those scrounging old people! Some of them smoke and have the occasional sherry, you know!

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By *_nny BonesMan over a year ago

a block away from heaven

I must say that the show is very biased focussing on those that make good TV. There have ben some real eye opening moments and some good ones at that. I liked seeing the man who was selling useful things door to door. He even donated to some of the families with children who were struggling. Some of the characters are idiots though. I hope that they take some time to watch themselves. A man who wants to go on TV and demonstrate how to rob using bags and foil shows that there is a real problem with society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor.

We have mixed feelings on this one .

The show certainly doesn't demonise the poor .

The community spirit is admirable .

The sheer lack of intelligence is incredible at times , then you stop and realise it's not their fault .

It is real , and a reflection of what goes on .

It's a reflection of what goes on in a minority of cases. It is not representative of most benefit claimants.

Why the cheeky buggers. We need OAP wardens to patrol and stop this

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By *ightboy69Man over a year ago

Torquay

Agreed !

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple over a year ago

birmingham

I didn't watch it. There was a rather good NCIS on one of the other channels.

Was it about people who are given free money and then complaining that they aren't given enough free money and want some more?

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By *adyGardenWoman over a year ago

LONDON (se)

I would like to say that the benefits system is completely wrong. I am currently signed off sick but looking forward to getting my life back and going back to work. I do get however why people get stuck or even don't want to leave the system. I am now financially better off than when I was working which I think is so so very wrong. People on benefit in my opinion are not poor. If I was of the sort to have no self worth I would do what they do and not work for as long as I possibly could. No wonder people are having more kids to avoid going back to work.

Me however I am looking forward to going back to the working world

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

Sensationalized tripe,

made more with _iewing figures in mind,rather than portraying any real facts.

As said above,multi national companies screw the country for billions,

and I've yet to see a tv series based on them.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

There was a similar, but not quite so blatant programme aired by the BBC last year called 'People like Us'. It was supposed to be about the life of people living in Harpurhey. I live less than a mile from where it was filmed and use Harpurhey shopping centre all the time it is nothing like it was portrayed! I am sure that it is just the same with 'benifits street'. But when you have a government that is intent on increasing the divide between the rich and poor and reinforcing such divides by restricting social mobility through cuts to education, healthcare and justice for the poor we can expect a lot more black propaganda of this type.

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By *ricky_DickyMan over a year ago

Mirfield

least we dont forget this goverment a few years ago abolished the minimum wage and some jobs where on the job center bords at just £1 an hour. . they only look after the rich and there self.

This government abolished the

minimum wage? When was that?

A few years ago? how many is a few, try quite some time. The job center stopped using boards an cards at least 10 year ago to my knowledge it's all computers an online these days. I don't recall the minimum wage being scrapped, not to say it didn't happen but the minimum wage has been re-instated

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By *ricky_DickyMan over a year ago

Mirfield

"The ones that annoy me are the young couple that scammed 15000 pound in benefits and are now complaining that they have to pay it back, they should be in jail"

What!! are they not costing taxpayers enough already in what they get in benefits without the approximate 40K a year per individual to lock em up. Is it not better the DWP claw back the money out of their benefits?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The ones that annoy me are the young couple that scammed 15000 pound in benefits and are now complaining that they have to pay it back, they should be in jail

But they wouldn't be getting the benefit if they were in jail, they could also claim it back off them when the were released and went back on to benefits,

If I has a working man conned 15000 pounds be it off the social or somewhere else I would have criminal charges brought against me not ordered to pay it back out of my wage and let on my merry way

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By *ricky_DickyMan over a year ago

Mirfield

"The ones that annoy me are the young couple that scammed 15000 pound in benefits and are now complaining that they have to pay it back, they should be in jail

But they wouldn't be getting the benefit if they were in jail, they could also claim it back off them when the were released and went back on to benefits,

If I has a working man conned 15000 pounds be it off the social or somewhere else I would have criminal charges brought against me not ordered to pay it back out of my wage and let on my merry way"

Still costs more to put some one in prison than it does to pay them benefits an who pays for it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cost shouldn't be an issue when it comes to the law, if someone breaks the law they should be prosecuted and if found guilty punished, be that a custodial sentence or community service or whatever is deemed fit for there crime

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

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The community spirit is admirable .

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The community spirit is vodka.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...................

The community spirit is admirable .

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The community spirit is vodka."

And hooky at that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why doesn't the government have a state sponsored sterilisation scheme paying all volunteers £ 10,000 to be sterilised. It's a good sum of money. It's a lot cheaper than endless rising benefit bill for hundreds and hundred of children that are just made to keep the benefits rolling in and would give that person a chance to make a fresh start in life or if they want piss it up the wall for the next 6 months then fine they can do that too.

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why doesn't the government have a state sponsored sterilisation scheme paying all volunteers £ 10,000 to be sterilised. It's a good sum of money. It's a lot cheaper than endless rising benefit bill for hundreds and hundred of children that are just made to keep the benefits rolling in and would give that person a chance to make a fresh start in life or if they want piss it up the wall for the next 6 months then fine they can do that too.

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

Why stop at sterilisation? Why not go the whole hog and employ some of the servicemen HMG is about to make redundant to execute those not deemed worthy of living amongst us normal people?

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting we do it. I don't really give a monkey's what peoples thoughts are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

At the beginning of the programme it states they were there for a year. There is going to be a helluva lot of footage cut out that doesn't make entertaining _iewing. That will include going to the job centre. So if anyone thinks all these people are not doing something that is mandatory, I say say: come on think of what the bigger picture truly is.

It was nice to see that girl (aspiring model) was doing her utmost to (a) fulfil her dreams and (b) get a job, considering her children are so young. She was also very calm when that customer practically accused her of overcharging her the previous day.

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By *uby0000Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

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The community spirit is admirable .

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The community spirit is vodka."

and lol

am I the only one that likes fun guy?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"...................

The community spirit is admirable .

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The community spirit is vodka.

and lol

am I the only one that likes fun guy?"

I've not seen enough to be able to tell but if I watch more, maybe my interest will mushroom.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor.

We have mixed feelings on this one .

The show certainly doesn't demonise the poor .

The community spirit is admirable .

The sheer lack of intelligence is incredible at times , then you stop and realise it's not their fault .

It is real , and a reflection of what goes on .

Well there are a couple there with learning disabilities.

The show didn't tell that to the people "

Yes, and most of the others were a bit stupid. they annoyed me a bit the way they were feeling sorry for themselves when a lot of their problems were of their own making. i wouldnt say they were bad people just slightly iritating.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

Maybe we could start with the governement members themselves, im sure this country would be far better off without the sanctimonius money grabbing ,self serving arsoles at the top of the pile .....

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

As someone who has never wanted kids I would be delighted to be sterilised and be paid a large lump sum of money.

I say we just cull those with below average IQs.

It's just a suggestion, I'm not saying we should do it. But we so should!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A massive load of crap! Avoided watching it from day one because it makes me feel ashamed to be on the dole due to living on my own with my 2yo. Its difficult yeah but if they had their priorities right they wouldnt smoke or drink and if they were as skint they'd go without so their kids would have! If I wasnt lucky enough to have my sons dads help I would have been starving and freezing so my wee dude would have food and enough clothes to keep him warm! They show the publisised version of it and over exaggerate about 100x they dont show the side where you really have to skrimp and struggle for a hot meal at nights!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

Maybe we could start with the governement members themselves, im sure this country would be far better off without the sanctimonius money grabbing ,self serving arsoles at the top of the pile ....."

Thank goodness we live in a democracy then eh as we all get our chance to boot them out or keep them in if we want. give me this lot any day compared with the sanctimonious, money squandering, self serving arseholes that were in power before

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor."

Yep.

Tax evasion street doesn't have the same ring to it, I guess.

There are going to be naughty people, both rich and poor who abuse the system. This is a simply a way of taking more off the people who genuinely need it by showing some "bad apples" so to speak.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not been watching it. The agenda from the offset appeared to be to demonise the poor."

Spot on

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

King's Crustacean

"There was a similar, but not quite so blatant programme aired by the BBC last year called 'People like Us'. It was supposed to be about the life of people living in Harpurhey. I live less than a mile from where it was filmed and use Harpurhey shopping centre all the time it is nothing like it was portrayed! I am sure that it is just the same with 'benifits street'. But when you have a government that is intent on increasing the divide between the rich and poor and reinforcing such divides by restricting social mobility through cuts to education, healthcare and justice for the poor we can expect a lot more black propaganda of this type."

I have relatives in Harpurhey. It is like that. I was there again last Saturday.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

King's Crustacean

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The community spirit is admirable .

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The community spirit is vodka.

and lol

am I the only one that likes fun guy?"

What's not to like ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

King's Crustacean

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...................

The community spirit is admirable .

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The community spirit is vodka.

and lol

am I the only one that likes fun guy?"

I feel sorry for him he has lots of problems.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

King's Crustacean

There are frequently programmes about robbing bastard bankers and fiddling politicians.

I've never seen a thread calling it lying, misrepresentation or propaganda.

Sometimes bias can shine right into your eyes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I found that comment funny, Granny!

I agree with an earlier post. This is simply a "divide and conquer" ploy to have us at each other's throats while government lays plans to the detriment of us all. It will leave the select few better off and have the rest of us blaming each other.

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By *andy_tomMan over a year ago

wolverhampton

least we dont forget this goverment a few years ago abolished the minimum wage and some jobs where on the job center bords at just £1 an hour. . they only look after the rich and there self.

This government abolished the

never the less it was this government that abolished the minimum wage and that's a fact.

minimum wage? When was that?

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"A massive load of crap! Avoided watching it from day one because it makes me feel ashamed to be on the dole due to living on my own with my 2yo. Its difficult yeah but if they had their priorities right they wouldnt smoke or drink and if they were as skint they'd go without so their kids would have! If I wasnt lucky enough to have my sons dads help I would have been starving and freezing so my wee dude would have food and enough clothes to keep him warm! They show the publisised version of it and over exaggerate about 100x they dont show the side where you really have to skrimp and struggle for a hot meal at nights! "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

Why stop at sterilisation? Why not go the whole hog and employ some of the servicemen HMG is about to make redundant to execute those not deemed worthy of living amongst us normal people?

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting we do it. I don't really give a monkey's what peoples thoughts are."

No actually you are the one who is a bit like that because you are so dismissive of any point of _iew contrary to your own.

Let's just suppose there was a right to do it. Don't you think there would be some people for it and some people agin it who would gladly take the opportunity for whatever reason to take the money. I personally took the decision to have the snip many years ago. I decided having 2 children was all I could afford.

They've turned into good lads who have many differing opinions to my own , many of them very radical and hard for me to accept, but they are prepared to have a discussion about things and not denigrate and shout people down with hostility. This is where everything is going wrong. people just grandstand and pontificate without actually doing anything about anything. At least I'll give a beggar a fiver now and again. I don't earn a fortune but at least I can appreciate how lucky I am and make someone happy for a few split seconds.

Rant over. I just get fed up of people jumping down your throat whenever you bring up something for discussion and trying to bully you into their own point of _iew.

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By *adyGardenWoman over a year ago

LONDON (se)

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

It isn't that easy to get sterilised. Took me years and a new GP to get mine done. No one wanted to do it as I was only 31 and deemed too young. I knew my own mind and body and was adamant I didn't want more after numerous miscarriages.

So pretty sure something like this would never work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I completely agree with those posts above saying this program demonises the poor. We live in a society where the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. I am sickened by the anti benefit rhetoric displayed in the red tops and the Unswaying support they give the coalition. Wake up people. This show was used to entertain and not help these people. Yes they drink and smoke and can't afford to feed their kids. They need education and support not vilification. We are now in a situation where people are using food banks for the first time since the war. It's horrific. Life isn't getting better. The deficit isn't getting smaller. Unemployment is down as people are in part time work or zero hours contracts and are now poorer. Young people have less opportunity than ever unless their parents are rich. Instead of moaning about Benefit Street we should be taking to our streets and letting David Cameron know how we feel. The apathy is this country sickens me far more than anything I've seen from white D and her neighbours. Oh and given that I work in TV I really wouldn't believe all you see. Or all you read in the Daily Mail. Rant over.

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

"There are frequently programmes about robbing bastard bankers and fiddling politicians.

I've never seen a thread calling it lying, misrepresentation or propaganda.

Sometimes bias can shine right into your eyes. "

Although never a full tv series.

They could call it,

wankers on bankers street.

One street,could never be truly representative of all people on benefits.

Unless you're using blinkers,to enhance your tunnel vision.

Benefit CHEATS,and conniving bankers,should all be made to pay their way.

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"I completely agree with those posts above saying this program demonises the poor. We live in a society where the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. I am sickened by the anti benefit rhetoric displayed in the red tops and the Unswaying support they give the coalition. Wake up people. This show was used to entertain and not help these people. Yes they drink and smoke and can't afford to feed their kids. They need education and support not vilification. We are now in a situation where people are using food banks for the first time since the war. It's horrific. Life isn't getting better. The deficit isn't getting smaller. Unemployment is down as people are in part time work or zero hours contracts and are now poorer. Young people have less opportunity than ever unless their parents are rich. Instead of moaning about Benefit Street we should be taking to our streets and letting David Cameron know how we feel. The apathy is this country sickens me far more than anything I've seen from white D and her neighbours. Oh and given that I work in TV I really wouldn't believe all you see. Or all you read in the Daily Mail. Rant over. "

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this talk of sterilisation.

Considering how the government feels about the lower classes and how the "elite" could buy their way out of consideration, who would this effect and where would you stop?

The system isn't broken, it was built this way...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is a hypothetical idea by the way folks I'm not suggesting do it. Just wondered what peoples thoughts are.

So pretty sure something like this would never work"

Thanks for that. I didn't know that was the case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Debates/rants like this always remind me (rightly or wrongly) of this quote.

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When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,

I remained silent;

I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out...

***************************************

Add on the following....

When they came for those on benefits,

I remained silent,

I wasnt on benefits...........

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"....

I say we just cull those with below average IQs.

It's just a suggestion, I'm not saying we should do it. But we so should! "

It would certainly reduce the volume of Internet traffic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i have stopped watching it and not because its rubbish or that it reflects badly on the people who are on benefits in general.

i have stopped watching it because we are making celebrities out of these hangers on.

it just means they have to do what 95 % of this country has always done which is show commitment and work hard to better oneself.

Free education up to and including university? What planet are you on? Try £9000 fees! Not so free.

There are also currently lots of graduates out of work and "over-qualified" for many of the jobs available! "

the planet im on is called earth and you do not pay for your university education until you earning above a certain threshold and even then its incremental so there is no need to be rude in your reply however the point i was trying to make is that only these people can help themselves by working hard at school gaining good qualifications that will then give them further oppurtunities

my point is no government or council can do it for you however its easier to blame someone else for your own shortcomings

these times are not as hard as in the 80's during the miners strike etc and leaving school and going on to a yts scheme at £25 a week because most of the apprenticeships had been cut however i think peoples mindsets are different

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would like to say that the benefits system is completely wrong. I am currently signed off sick but looking forward to getting my life back and going back to work. I do get however why people get stuck or even don't want to leave the system. I am now financially better off than when I was working which I think is so so very wrong. People on benefit in my opinion are not poor. If I was of the sort to have no self worth I would do what they do and not work for as long as I possibly could. No wonder people are having more kids to avoid going back to work.

Me however I am looking forward to going back to the working world"

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple over a year ago

birmingham

"Yes they drink and smoke and can't afford to feed their kids. They need education and support not vilification."

They are educated. They were intelligent enough to know that they don't need to work to be given free money. Too many of them don't want work, now the coalition is making work a better option than living on benefits by reducing how much free money these people are given. Good!

As for buying drink and fags before buying food for the kids...

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By *adyGardenWoman over a year ago

LONDON (se)

"i have stopped watching it and not because its rubbish or that it reflects badly on the people who are on benefits in general.

i have stopped watching it because we are making celebrities out of these hangers on.

it just means they have to do what 95 % of this country has always done which is show commitment and work hard to better oneself.

Free education up to and including university? What planet are you on? Try £9000 fees! Not so free.

There are also currently lots of graduates out of work and "over-qualified" for many of the jobs available!

my point is no government or council can do it for you however its easier to blame someone else for your own shortcomings

Not having to pay it back unless you earn a certain amount is not free. My daughter will be over 100k in debt by the time she starts working after uni. No point going uni if you dont expect to earn a decent above average wage. For most jobs a degree is worthless so unless your carer path can't be done without a degree higher education is fruitless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates/rants like this always remind me (rightly or wrongly) of this quote.

**************************************

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,

I remained silent;

I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out...

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Add on the following....

When they came for those on benefits,

I remained silent,

I wasnt on benefits...........

sorry are comparing the treatment of the jews by the nazis in the 1930's and 1940's to a television programme about people on one street in birmingham.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debates/rants like this always remind me (rightly or wrongly) of this quote.

**************************************

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,

I remained silent;

I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out...

***************************************

Add on the following....

When they came for those on benefits,

I remained silent,

I wasnt on benefits...........

sorry are comparing the treatment of the jews by the nazis in the 1930's and 1940's to a television programme about people on one street in birmingham."

They do say that everyone is a redundancy away from benefits and as such i do not understand the hatred shown towards those receiving benefits. All that programme has shown is that "some" people choose to live that way. The majority however dont and can be in receipt of benefits for many many reasons. Why tar all with the same brush. ? Mob mentality is a dangerous thing....as shown in the quote in a small way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i have stopped watching it and not because its rubbish or that it reflects badly on the people who are on benefits in general.

i have stopped watching it because we are making celebrities out of these hangers on.

it just means they have to do what 95 % of this country has always done which is show commitment and work hard to better oneself.

Free education up to and including university? What planet are you on? Try £9000 fees! Not so free.

There are also currently lots of graduates out of work and "over-qualified" for many of the jobs available!

my point is no government or council can do it for you however its easier to blame someone else for your own shortcomings

i was at uni the of last year completing my masters and to my knowledge anyone on benefits was applicable for a free education.

what a lot of employers like mine are currently doing is to pay off part of the debt incurred by their staff as part of their remuneration package, this is assessed yearly during their apparisal system.

they will not pay for subjects that are not relevant to the position they are working in.

i would always encourage anyone who is academically minded to attend uni no matter what the cost.