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"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" That doesn't change anything. If the government want to spy on you they will. All this legislation means is they are saying "Yeah, we spy on you". | |||
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"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" In a word? No. Why do you think it will? A | |||
"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons In a word? No. Why do you think it will? A" That's what I want to know. Is everything on here encrypted or inaccessible to the Government if they wanted to have a nose? | |||
"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" No.....it will just give them permission to do what they have been doing for years anyway....  | |||
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"Fab will only end when we are all on the naughty step. C'mon mods, up your game "Haha | |||
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"Fab is lagging for me right now. Paranoid. "That's GCHQ at work | |||
"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas "So it was you I was chatting to on that other site! | |||
"It's aimed More at encrypted messaging services like Whatsapp as they currently have little or no access to them, which apparently can be exploited by terrorist groups and other unsavoury characters." Some think I'm quite savoury others that I'm quite unsavoury. I guess it's just a matter of taste. | |||
"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas "lol | |||
"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas
So it was you I was chatting to on that other site!"Shhhhhhh, that was meant to be a secret dude. Is that why I'm now being waterboarded ? | |||
"Fab is lagging for me right now. Paranoid.
That's GCHQ at work "Yes i was thinking that, slowing down my connection coz they're tapped into it. 
Hope someone i know has tools to keep them off it... | |||
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"Fab is lagging for me right now. Paranoid.
That's GCHQ at work
Yes i was thinking that, slowing down my connection coz they're tapped into it.
Hope someone i know has tools to keep them off it... "Use a Tor browser. | |||
"What sort world are we living in where normal people can't have privacy, it's riddiculous and of course the government will say it's for your safety but once again the small minority ruin life for the masses." And they're mostly single guys to. grrr | |||
"What sort world are we living in where normal people can't have privacy, it's riddiculous and of course the government will say it's for your safety but once again the small minority ruin life for the masses." Sadly that minority use various websites and communication apps to plan acts of terror or pass illegal images/substances. I hate the fact that we're all spied on but that's something we can do bugger all about these days. We just have to accept the fact. The Yanks have been at it for years and pass it on to our government anyway so this new bill changes nothing. | |||
"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas
So it was you I was chatting to on that other site!
Shhhhhhh, that was meant to be a secret dude. Is that why I'm now being waterboarded ? "I'm OK. Made a deal with them. Might of just mentioned that you knew something mind. Can't remember for sure.   | |||
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"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas
So it was you I was chatting to on that other site!
Shhhhhhh, that was meant to be a secret dude. Is that why I'm now being waterboarded ?
I'm OK. Made a deal with them. Might of just mentioned that you knew something mind. Can't remember for sure. "I kept quiet about the U235/236 you were stor................oops | |||
"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" Why would mps want to look at pics of my arse? | |||
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"It's aimed More at encrypted messaging services like Whatsapp as they currently have little or no access to them, which apparently can be exploited by terrorist groups and other unsavoury characters." Do you really believe it has anything to do with 'terrorism'? | |||
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"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas
So it was you I was chatting to on that other site!
Shhhhhhh, that was meant to be a secret dude. Is that why I'm now being waterboarded ?
I'm OK. Made a deal with them. Might of just mentioned that you knew something mind. Can't remember for sure.
I kept quiet about the U235/236 you were stor................oops "Got rid of that some time ago. Sold it all to some guy called Al. Think the family name wad Qaeda or something.  | |||
"It's aimed More at encrypted messaging services like Whatsapp as they currently have little or no access to them, which apparently can be exploited by terrorist groups and other unsavoury characters. Do you really believe it has anything to do with 'terrorism'? " Only in part. Do you think they're that bothered by 'normal' people's daily business that they just want to spy on us all for the sake of it? Do you think they're going to use our daily conversations to dream up new and oppressive laws? | |||
"It's aimed More at encrypted messaging services like Whatsapp as they currently have little or no access to them, which apparently can be exploited by terrorist groups and other unsavoury characters. Do you really believe it has anything to do with 'terrorism'? " Yes actually I do but I am worried about the possible spill over into normal life. The best arguments that will be made against these measures will be on the actual effects they may have on ordinary, innocent people not on the motivation of those purposing them. That's too easy to diminish as paranoid. | |||
" The best arguments that will be made against these measures will be on the actual effects they may have on ordinary, innocent people not on the motivation of those purposing them. That's too easy to diminish as paranoid." The only reason we need need this is because people are mean, do horrible things and are general fucking idiots. The problem is, you can't MAKE people be nice and you can't stop people being idiots, but you CAN prevent these people from doing shitty things. All you can do with a law is say "if this, then that." That's all. If you commit this crime, then you get this penalty. That still doesn't PREVENT that shit from happening in the first place. A necessary component of this is knowing that it happened. The Government need to KNOW that. I WANT the government to know that if it avoids other people getting caugt up in other peoples horrible shit. More and more, the problem isn't that we don't have laws against this kind of thing (terrorism etc..etc..), but that it's a massive pain in the arse trying to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that that's what being conspired and to prevent it, or even worse that it has happened. And that's why privacy is gradually disappearing. In this day and age..privacy is dying. Good riddance. I want to be safe. I want people who I give 2 fucks about to be safe. I don't care about 1 or 2 people who might be saying.. "Oh but I want to visit this porn site without the government knowing" or tedious shit like that. Which to be quite honest any reasonable idiot can find out anyway.  | |||
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" The best arguments that will be made against these measures will be on the actual effects they may have on ordinary, innocent people not on the motivation of those purposing them. That's too easy to diminish as paranoid. The only reason we need need this is because people are mean, do horrible things and are general fucking idiots. The problem is, you can't MAKE people be nice and you can't stop people being idiots, but you CAN prevent these people from doing shitty things. All you can do with a law is say "if this, then that." That's all. If you commit this crime, then you get this penalty. That still doesn't PREVENT that shit from happening in the first place. A necessary component of this is knowing that it happened. The Government need to KNOW that. I WANT the government to know that if it avoids other people getting caugt up in other peoples horrible shit. More and more, the problem isn't that we don't have laws against this kind of thing (terrorism etc..etc..), but that it's a massive pain in the arse trying to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that that's what being conspired and to prevent it, or even worse that it has happened. And that's why privacy is gradually disappearing. In this day and age..privacy is dying. Good riddance. I want to be safe. I want people who I give 2 fucks about to be safe. I don't care about 1 or 2 people who might be saying.. "Oh but I want to visit this porn site without the government knowing" or tedious shit like that. Which to be quite honest any reasonable idiot can find out anyway. "If you look around the world there are far more people at risk of serious harm from their own governments than from terrorists. We all want to feel safe but what's the use of being safe from terrorists if you then are in fear of your own government. An uncontrolled government can do you far more harm and all legally than any illegal terrorist can do you, including taking your life. We here in Western Europe and North America are the lucky few in the last 50 years who have not had to live under oppressive and authoritarian regimes. There is nothing special about us. If we don't have the protection of the law against government there is no reason to believe that it will not, at some point, turn on us. | |||
"It's aimed More at encrypted messaging services like Whatsapp as they currently have little or no access to them, which apparently can be exploited by terrorist groups and other unsavoury characters. Do you really believe it has anything to do with 'terrorism'? Only in part. Do you think they're that bothered by 'normal' people's daily business that they just want to spy on us all for the sake of it? Do you think they're going to use our daily conversations to dream up new and oppressive laws? " No i don't think they are bothered by 'normal' people at all, but this a very scary precedent. We have had a terrorist threat since the IRA, and managed thus far without spying on our own. Since becoming aware of the threat posed by al-quadea there has not been a successful attack on British soil for 10 years. More people die from peanut allergies than global acts of terrorism. How much money is spent on the 'war on terror' rather than research into genuine medical research? We are in danger of following the same route as the Americans; using an irrational fear to strip away democracy. i.e. weaponisation of the police force, the patriot act etc! | |||
"It's aimed More at encrypted messaging services like Whatsapp as they currently have little or no access to them, which apparently can be exploited by terrorist groups and other unsavoury characters. Do you really believe it has anything to do with 'terrorism'? Only in part. Do you think they're that bothered by 'normal' people's daily business that they just want to spy on us all for the sake of it? Do you think they're going to use our daily conversations to dream up new and oppressive laws? No i don't think they are bothered by 'normal' people at all, but this a very scary precedent. We have had a terrorist threat since the IRA, and managed thus far without spying on our own. Since becoming aware of the threat posed by al-quadea there has not been a successful attack on British soil for 10 years. More people die from peanut allergies than global acts of terrorism. How much money is spent on the 'war on terror' rather than research into genuine medical research? We are in danger of following the same route as the Americans; using an irrational fear to strip away democracy. i.e. weaponisation of the police force, the patriot act etc! " Yes, but the IRA didn't use the internet/mobile communications to plan attacks for the most part because the technology wasn't available for them to use. A peanut left on a bus/train doesn't have the potential to kill 30 or 40 people at once unless the poor sods on the bus happen to be part of a peanut allergy support group, however a suicide bomber does (as proven in the 7/7 attacks in London). All these laws are is just an evolution of our security services and you, me and every other law abiding person has nothing to fear. | |||
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"Mps can wank over my pics if they wanna. I already think they're wankers anyway." Lmao!!! | |||
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"The last lot of riots on the UK were mainly planned on BlackBerry messenger, after government finished ripping this company apart for info on the rioters it all but destroyed them in future sales etc." So the demise of blackberry is down to the UK government? Rather than poor products, marketing, business strategy, company management etc. Ok.
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"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" Only for the paranoid amongst us | |||
"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" They can look at my communication all they want. There's really nothing interesting to be found. And I doubt they honestly care how many blokes I'm shagging. | |||
" The best arguments that will be made against these measures will be on the actual effects they may have on ordinary, innocent people not on the motivation of those purposing them. That's too easy to diminish as paranoid. The only reason we need need this is because people are mean, do horrible things and are general fucking idiots. The problem is, you can't MAKE people be nice and you can't stop people being idiots, but you CAN prevent these people from doing shitty things. All you can do with a law is say "if this, then that." That's all. If you commit this crime, then you get this penalty. That still doesn't PREVENT that shit from happening in the first place. A necessary component of this is knowing that it happened. The Government need to KNOW that. I WANT the government to know that if it avoids other people getting caugt up in other peoples horrible shit. More and more, the problem isn't that we don't have laws against this kind of thing (terrorism etc..etc..), but that it's a massive pain in the arse trying to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that that's what being conspired and to prevent it, or even worse that it has happened. And that's why privacy is gradually disappearing. In this day and age..privacy is dying. Good riddance. I want to be safe. I want people who I give 2 fucks about to be safe. I don't care about 1 or 2 people who might be saying.. "Oh but I want to visit this porn site without the government knowing" or tedious shit like that. Which to be quite honest any reasonable idiot can find out anyway. "
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" Yes, but the IRA didn't use the internet/mobile communications to plan attacks for the most part because the technology wasn't available for them to use. " Exactly, if they could manage co-ordination without the technology then, whatever threats we may now face surely can also. Monitoring of private phone calls and social media sites will do absolutely nothing to stop terrorism! It is purely an assault on our liberty! Besides as somebody else has said, terrorists already do use the likes of tor browsers and encryption anyway. The only way anyone could support this is if either A) They don't understand it, or B) They are a huge fan of Orwell.. " A peanut left on a bus/train doesn't have the potential to kill 30 or 40 people at once unless the poor sods on the bus happen to be part of a peanut allergy support group, however a suicide bomber does (as proven in the 7/7 attacks in London). " We have done well to foil every plot since the 7/7 tragedy in the last 10 years, why do we need these measures now? " All these laws are is just an evolution of our security services and you, me and every other law abiding person has nothing to fear." Whilst I am not so quick to jump on the government conspiracy bandwagon; for the reasons i have mentioned above, government 'snooping' provides absolutely zero protection against terrorism. It does however leave us as citizens vulnerable. You may well be law abiding now, what if the laws change? What if some kinds of extremist party takes charge of the country in 20 years? With access to all of your records? I know that is very far fetched, but if there is no benefit, why leave yourself open..? | |||
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"I thought the NSA already monitored everyone? lol." . I have no problem with anyone bring monitored, watched or spied on, providing its been approved by a judge with proper evidence for doing so! The cia and nsa got caught out mass spying on everybody, that was for terrorism purposes! | |||
"I thought the NSA already monitored everyone? lol." Yep your right there. It's actually our own agency GCHQ that does the spying though, they then pass on all the info to NSA. So it's not just our gov. that has access to our records, but the yanks too, and America is becoming a very scary place. This was all revealed by Ed Snowden, so now the gov. are trying to make what they already do, legal. If we let this happen, what kind of precedent are we setting? We can be spied on, lied to, and if discovered they just pass a bill to make it all ok. The reasons provided are inherently flawed, yet people just lap it all up.. | |||
"The last lot of riots on the UK were mainly planned on BlackBerry messenger, after government finished ripping this company apart for info on the rioters it all but destroyed them in future sales etc. So the demise of blackberry is down to the UK government? Rather than poor products, marketing, business strategy, company management etc. Ok.
A"Bless you x, we are all like mushrooms...kept in the dark and fed shit. | |||
" Yes, but the IRA didn't use the internet/mobile communications to plan attacks for the most part because the technology wasn't available for them to use. Exactly, if they could manage co-ordination without the technology then, whatever threats we may now face surely can also. Monitoring of private phone calls and social media sites will do absolutely nothing to stop terrorism! It is purely an assault on our liberty! Besides as somebody else has said, terrorists already do use the likes of tor browsers and encryption anyway. The only way anyone could support this is if either A) They don't understand it, or B) They are a huge fan of Orwell.. A peanut left on a bus/train doesn't have the potential to kill 30 or 40 people at once unless the poor sods on the bus happen to be part of a peanut allergy support group, however a suicide bomber does (as proven in the 7/7 attacks in London). We have done well to foil every plot since the 7/7 tragedy in the last 10 years, why do we need these measures now? All these laws are is just an evolution of our security services and you, me and every other law abiding person has nothing to fear. Whilst I am not so quick to jump on the government conspiracy bandwagon; for the reasons i have mentioned above, government 'snooping' provides absolutely zero protection against terrorism. It does however leave us as citizens vulnerable. You may well be law abiding now, what if the laws change? What if some kinds of extremist party takes charge of the country in 20 years? With access to all of your records? I know that is very far fetched, but if there is no benefit, why leave yourself open..?" It hardly provides ZERO protection against terrorism does it? It provides some. It might not be much according to you but the fact of the matter is terrorist and general bad people are using more and more technology to plan and implement their attacks. You can't ignore that fact. There may be some retro cells using a fax machine and dial up connection like the good old days but I bet they are few and far between. | |||
" It hardly provides ZERO protection against terrorism does it? It provides some. It might not be much according to you but the fact of the matter is terrorist and general bad people are using more and more technology to plan and implement their attacks. You can't ignore that fact. There may be some retro cells using a fax machine and dial up connection like the good old days but I bet they are few and far between. " Look up proxy servers, tor browsers, pgp encryption. Thats how terrorists communicate, along with every other shady individual. Along with a lot of tech savvy not so shady individuals. So no it doesn't provide any protection. It just means that decent, honest people, like yourself, who don't even know what the aforementioned hidden methods of communication are, become vulnerable. | |||
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"Those who would give up their liberty for temporary security deserve neither! They didn't stick him on the 100 for nothing "Re-read what you just typed. | |||
"I thought the NSA already monitored everyone? lol.. I have no problem with anyone bring monitored, watched or spied on, providing its been approved by a judge with proper evidence for doing so! The cia and nsa got caught out mass spying on everybody, that was for terrorism purposes!" | |||
"I thought the NSA already monitored everyone? lol. Yep your right there. It's actually our own agency GCHQ that does the spying though, they then pass on all the info to NSA. So it's not just our gov. that has access to our records, but the yanks too, and America is becoming a very scary place. This was all revealed by Ed Snowden, so now the gov. are trying to make what they already do, legal. If we let this happen, what kind of precedent are we setting? We can be spied on, lied to, and if discovered they just pass a bill to make it all ok. The reasons provided are inherently flawed, yet people just lap it all up.." | |||
"It's aimed More at encrypted messaging services like Whatsapp as they currently have little or no access to them, which apparently can be exploited by terrorist groups and other unsavoury characters. Do you really believe it has anything to do with 'terrorism'? Only in part. Do you think they're that bothered by 'normal' people's daily business that they just want to spy on us all for the sake of it? Do you think they're going to use our daily conversations to dream up new and oppressive laws? No i don't think they are bothered by 'normal' people at all, but this a very scary precedent. We have had a terrorist threat since the IRA, and managed thus far without spying on our own. Since becoming aware of the threat posed by al-quadea there has not been a successful attack on British soil for 10 years. More people die from peanut allergies than global acts of terrorism. How much money is spent on the 'war on terror' rather than research into genuine medical research? We are in danger of following the same route as the Americans; using an irrational fear to strip away democracy. i.e. weaponisation of the police force, the patriot act etc! Yes, but the IRA didn't use the internet/mobile communications to plan attacks for the most part because the technology wasn't available for them to use. A peanut left on a bus/train doesn't have the potential to kill 30 or 40 people at once unless the poor sods on the bus happen to be part of a peanut allergy support group, however a suicide bomber does (as proven in the 7/7 attacks in London). All these laws are is just an evolution of our security services and you, me and every other law abiding person has nothing to fear." Well I am a law abiding citizen and I do fear it and I fear it far more than some remote threat from some terrorist. Why shouldn't I? | |||
"Protests, and that what is organised over the internet, will be monitored as well. Anything considered anti-government can be classed as terrorism, coz the government make the rules. " This
" Propaganda isn't working (as much) any more so they have to do something else now. Wikileaks, there's the big one. That type of stuff they want to get rid of too." But not so much this. | |||
"They do monitor my communications already? Because I frequently attend demonstrations with Greenpeace!! I moved to tor and now they don't. some old blokes 300 years ago had enough foresight while starting their own country to realise that sooner or later governments turn on there own citizens. That's just a fact of history and not one I expect to change anytime soon. I'd rather die a free man than live to a ripe old age as a monitored one... Thanks Mel "This | |||
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"I think paranoia has got everyone worrying far more about this than they really need. You're a conspiracy theorists wet dream!" It's only paranoia if I think it is happening. I don't, I just think it could. | |||
"I think paranoia has got everyone worrying far more about this than they really need. You're a conspiracy theorists wet dream! It's only paranoia if I think it is happening. I don't, I just think it could." Could Russia be in with this? We know how they are about spying. | |||
"I hereby give my permission to the police, MI5, the NSA, FBI and CIA, the Swiss Guards, the Priory of Scion, all the inhabitants of Middle Earth, agents Mulder and Scully, the Goonies, all the Storm Troopers and Darth Vader, the Mad Hatter, Chuck Norris, S.H.I.E.L.D, The Avengers, The Illuminati, The Men In Black, The X-Men, The Ghostbusters, The Justice League, Gandalf and Dumbledore, Santa, the Easter Bunny and all the members of Van Halen (even Sammy). The Thundercats, Dr Who and Clara, Mystery Inc and Scooby Doo, Angela Lansbury, Miss Marple, Magnum P.I, MacGyver, Jack Bauer, Fozzy Bear and He-Man, Jay and Silent Bob, Cheech and Chong, Barney Stinson, Sheldon, Leonard, Howard and Raj, Neo and Batman, but not Robin, my permission to view in wondrous amazement all the fabulous stuff I post online...... I'm also aware that my online privacy ended the very day I posted my personal details and naked pictures online. Oh, and Hugh Jackman." You forgot the Rand Corporation in association with the Reverse Vampires who were genetically modified by Monsanto. | |||
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"Those who would give up their liberty for temporary security deserve neither! They didn't stick him on the 100 for nothing
Re-read what you just typed. ". I wrote it but just for you I'll re read it.. Yada yada liberty(dictionary definition..the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's behaviour or political views) yada yada security(dictionary definition..the state of being free from danger or threat)... Check yep. Benjamin franklin 1780 odd.. yep check. He's on the hundred dollar bill... Yep check.. Yeah I wrote it just as I meant it. Fuck isis, fuck the Tory government, fuck some tit who thinks there's no difference between public and private... Do you see some photo on our fucking profile... No, because we choose to have a private life. | |||
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"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas "Really??
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If they do have a gander - I'm guessing they'll come to the conclusion that I'm a naughty woman with a sky high sex drive - but hardly a threat to national security! Can't say I'm having sleepless nights over it!! Xx | |||
"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas
Really??
Mine reads
Fab
Red tube
Pornhub
Autoroute (directions to clubs/meets)
Red tube
Fab
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If they do have a gander - I'm guessing they'll come to the conclusion that I'm a naughty woman with a sky high sex drive - but hardly a threat to national security! Can't say I'm having sleepless nights over it!! Xx"Outstanding | |||
"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas
Really??
Mine reads
Fab
Red tube
Pornhub
Autoroute (directions to clubs/meets)
Red tube
Fab
Pornhub
Red tube
If they do have a gander - I'm guessing they'll come to the conclusion that I'm a naughty woman with a sky high sex drive - but hardly a threat to national security! Can't say I'm having sleepless nights over it!! Xx"Didn't distracting men from their legitimate duties use to be a crime? | |||
"sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" . Exactly who's watching who
Bloody voyeur's there everywhere | |||
"I better delete my history........ Nuclear fission Home made explosives Ak47 shooting experiences Most densely populated areas
Really??
Mine reads
Fab
Red tube
Pornhub
Autoroute (directions to clubs/meets)
Red tube
Fab
Pornhub
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If they do have a gander - I'm guessing they'll come to the conclusion that I'm a naughty woman with a sky high sex drive - but hardly a threat to national security! Can't say I'm having sleepless nights over it!! Xx"lol. but lets face it we are having a bloody!! | |||
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"Those who would give up their liberty for temporary security deserve neither! They didn't stick him on the 100 for nothing
Re-read what you just typed. .
I wrote it but just for you I'll re read it.. Yada yada liberty(dictionary definition..the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's behaviour or political views) yada yada security(dictionary definition..the state of being free from danger or threat)...
"Your argument is you want privacy and you want liberation. Well see. . That's a bit like having your cake and eating it. Because how much liberation are you going to have if terrorism took over? Not much.
Privacy comes second to my personal safety and the security of this country. | |||
" Your argument is you want privacy and you want liberation. Well see. . That's a bit like having your cake and eating it. Because how much liberation are you going to have if terrorism took over? Not much.
Privacy comes second to my personal safety and the security of this country. "Your ignoring the fact that the government having access to our phone calls and personal information has nothing to do with your personal safety or security. Most 12 year old kids use vnp clients to bypass their parents internet monitoring settings lol. If they can do that, then terrorists who are now fully aware that the gov. have access to regular phone calls and facebook pages most certainly can and are doing. | |||
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"good time I meant to add!!" We are indeed honey! | |||
" Your ignoring the fact that the government having access to our phone calls and personal information has nothing to do with your personal safety or security. " How do you know that? .... Oh what? .... The government want to know the ins and outs of my private life do they?... I really doubt that. | |||
" How do you know that? .... Oh what? .... The government want to know the ins and outs of my private life do they?... I really doubt that. " What? Haha. Not sure where you've got the idea that I think the government secretly want to make you a star of OK magazine without your consent lol. | |||
" our phone calls and personal information has nothing to do with your personal safety or security. " ... | |||
"Anybody seen that technology where they can translate sound vibrations off anything into spoken text? "You've been able to hear what people are saying by firing a laser at the windows, for many, many tears. I work in a bank and we have a number of isolation rooms, no windows, power, sockets etc to ensure conversations are truly secure. | |||
"Anybody seen that technology where they can translate sound vibrations off anything into spoken text? You've been able to hear what people are saying by firing a laser at the windows, for many, many tears. I work in a bank and we have a number of isolation rooms, no windows, power, sockets etc to ensure conversations are truly secure." Cool. I was impressed by it tbh. | |||
"^ Well then this makes no sense to me: our phone calls and personal information has nothing to do with your personal safety or security. ... "Read the rest of the post for context then | |||
"^ Well then this makes no sense to me: our phone calls and personal information has nothing to do with your personal safety or security. ...
Read the rest of the post for context then "Sorry that came across as a bit arrogant. I'll try make my sentiment clearer. If terrorists are not using the methods which the government propose to monitor, in order to communicate in the first place (see aforementioned prior post) then surely there is another hidden agenda for the Bill. This hidden agenda could well be to stop peaceful democratic protest in the future, or at least make it more difficult. If we look to America, and the militarisation of the police force, and the disappearances and shootings which have been taking place during peaceful protests; then that the above is not too much of a conclusion to jump to. And i shall reiterate. If the bill provides no meaningful protection, why leave ourselves open to the potential of the bill being abused? | |||
"Those who would give up their liberty for temporary security deserve neither! They didn't stick him on the 100 for nothing
Re-read what you just typed. .
I wrote it but just for you I'll re read it.. Yada yada liberty(dictionary definition..the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's behaviour or political views) yada yada security(dictionary definition..the state of being free from danger or threat)...
Your argument is you want privacy and you want liberation.
Well see. .
That's a bit like having your cake and eating it.
Because how much liberation are you going to have if terrorism took over?
Not much.
Privacy comes second to my personal safety and the security of this country. "Totally disagree, without liberty there is no privacy and without privacy there can be no liberty. If my government can not defend my freedom without taking away one or both of liberty and privacy, which are the very essence of freedom, what is it defending me from. Give me freedom or give me death because I would rather die free than live as a slave. | |||
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"I work in a bank and we have a number of isolation rooms, no windows, power, sockets etc to ensure conversations are truly secure." And conducted in pitch darkness? | |||
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"It's not about breaking the law, is about a citizens right to privacy who's not breaking the law or intending to break the law just going about there lawful day with a private life!! What's hard for people to grasp about that. " What makes you feel that the authorities will simply pick on innocent individuals? If you are a practitioner of RIPA, you would realise how difficult it is to gain information without putting safeguards in place to avoid collateral intrusion. | |||
"It's not about breaking the law, is about a citizens right to privacy who's not breaking the law or intending to break the law just going about there lawful day with a private life!! What's hard for people to grasp about that. What makes you feel that the authorities will simply pick on innocent individuals? If you are a practitioner of RIPA, you would realise how difficult it is to gain information without putting safeguards in place to avoid collateral intrusion. " . That was my whole point on having a right to privacy!. Wtf has it go to do with the government or the local council what I do in my private life. If and when they have any suspicions or evidence that I may be breaking the law, they can apply to a judge to spy on me, if the judge agrees they have a case. Then fair play! | |||
"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" Was'nt there a report that came out that said a large chunk of government computers in parliament had porn on them? There are probably some MP's or government staff with profiles on here, lol, so i don't think they will ban themselves. | |||
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"Why so concerned if the government snoop? It's not like I'm committing a crime or an act of terror by being here. Now, if my senior manager at work, or heaven forbid my mother found me on here I'd be closing my account in a flash. In the big scheme of things the government and the law makers don't care about us folk. That's proven time and time again whenever they announce a budget or pass another ludicrous law." exactly! If they have nothing better to do than check out my pics on here then we can assume the world is safe from terrorists, drug lords and decepticons....  | |||
"So what element of these proposals which are not even at a white paper stage....will remove judicial oversight? So how will the Government manage to allocate any resource to look at you personally even if these propsals allow for snooping into innocent activity...which incidentally, they do not. You seem to talk about personal liberty without actually evidencing how a proposal will compromise it. Please extend your point to say how personal liberty will be compromised rather than simply stating that it will happen. Any law will come with checks and balances which will ensure that innocent people will not become victims as the proposed Bill of Rights or the previous HRA will ensure safeguards. " . The right to a private life That's in the human rights. How can I have a private life if the government are snooping on me! So tonight I decide to pm you.. That stands for private message. I'm private messaging you because I wish it to be private. What's the point if that message is open to anybody in government! If I text my wife, fancy a fuck tonight, that's a private text to my wife, what your saying is just stick it on fb, your not breaking the law .... But I wish that message to be private, it's not an illegal message just a private one!. | |||
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"The Government already has the ability to intercept communications. ...what element of the new proposals do you object to (please be specific)?" . I object to the ones we have sir and I certainly don't want to have anymore. | |||
"It's not about breaking the law, is about a citizens right to privacy who's not breaking the law or intending to break the law just going about there lawful day with a private life!! What's hard for people to grasp about that. What makes you feel that the authorities will simply pick on innocent individuals? If you are a practitioner of RIPA, you would realise how difficult it is to gain information without putting safeguards in place to avoid collateral intrusion. . That was my whole point on having a right to privacy!. Wtf has it go to do with the government or the local council what I do in my private life. If and when they have any suspicions or evidence that I may be breaking the law, they can apply to a judge to spy on me, if the judge agrees they have a case. Then fair play!" This is the main point. Why are they looking at me when I've done nothing wrong. I am a citizen not a suspect. If a process is put in place, requiring those wishing to spy on me to make some sort of prima facie case that I may have been or possibly am going to commit an offence and that case is put before a judge or magistrate to obtain some sort of warrant than it's acceptable; it's due process. If there is no due process then it's simply arbitrary and without regard to facts, circumstances, evidence, reason, judgment, discretion, rules or standards. How is that defending me from anything and definitely does not make me feel more secure or safe than I am now, in fact quite the opposite. | |||
"....and how do you think the Government will intercept the type of material with new powers. The instance you mention is obtainable with current legislation. I really do not think you understand the powers that are being discussed. Sorry" What is the benefit of these new powers? It's all well and good having the attitude of I trust my government and believe everything they tell me anyone who doesn't is a tinfoil hat wearing looney. Why introduce new powers with no benefit though..? It's illogical to the extreme, and supporting it even more so..? | |||
"....and how do you think the Government will intercept the type of material with new powers. The instance you mention is obtainable with current legislation. I really do not think you understand the powers that are being discussed. Sorry" If you are maybe you could explain then (in detail even) and put are minds at ease. | |||
"It's not about breaking the law, is about a citizens right to privacy who's not breaking the law or intending to break the law just going about there lawful day with a private life!! What's hard for people to grasp about that. What makes you feel that the authorities will simply pick on innocent individuals? If you are a practitioner of RIPA, you would realise how difficult it is to gain information without putting safeguards in place to avoid collateral intrusion. . That was my whole point on having a right to privacy!. Wtf has it go to do with the government or the local council what I do in my private life. If and when they have any suspicions or evidence that I may be breaking the law, they can apply to a judge to spy on me, if the judge agrees they have a case. Then fair play! This is the main point. Why are they looking at me when I've done nothing wrong. I am a citizen not a suspect. If a process is put in place, requiring those wishing to spy on me to make some sort of prima facie case that I may have been or possibly am going to commit an offence and that case is put before a judge or magistrate to obtain some sort of warrant than it's acceptable; it's due process. If there is no due process then it's simply arbitrary and without regard to facts, circumstances, evidence, reason, judgment, discretion, rules or standards. How is that defending me from anything and definitely does not make me feel more secure or safe than I am now, in fact quite the opposite." . Between my ranting and your refined legal expertise,I conclude case adjourned.... To the bar | |||
" If I text my wife, fancy a fuck tonight, that's a private text to my wife, what your saying is just stick it on fb, your not breaking the law .... But I wish that message to be private, it's not an illegal message just a private one!." What you're saying is, taking a shit in your own bathroom isn't illegal but you still want to shut the door?.. Nobody is saying you can't do that. The real issue is you don't want people to see. Thing is, the government aren't interested in what's legal, it's what's ILLEGAL they are interested in and rightly so. | |||
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" If I text my wife, fancy a fuck tonight, that's a private text to my wife, what your saying is just stick it on fb, your not breaking the law .... But I wish that message to be private, it's not an illegal message just a private one!. What you're saying is, taking a shit in your own bathroom isn't illegal but you still want to shut the door?.. Nobody is saying you can't do that. The real issue is you don't want people to see. Thing is, the government aren't interested in what's legal, it's what's ILLEGAL they are interested in and rightly so." . And I have no problem in that. But apply to a judge with evidence and get court approved surveillance. Surely that's not to much to ask? The problem with the government knowing stuff that might not be technically illegal but very embarrassing is it leads to people like j Edgar hover, and all that comes with it | |||
" is it leads to people like j Edgar hover, and all that comes with it" You just had to push that one...
That's a can of fucking worms right there.
And reaching... | |||
" If I text my wife, fancy a fuck tonight, that's a private text to my wife, what your saying is just stick it on fb, your not breaking the law .... But I wish that message to be private, it's not an illegal message just a private one!. What you're saying is, taking a shit in your own bathroom isn't illegal but you still want to shut the door?.. Nobody is saying you can't do that. The real issue is you don't want people to see. Thing is, the government aren't interested in what's legal, it's what's ILLEGAL they are interested in and rightly so." You keep ignoring the simple fact that this bill does nothing to curb illegal activity.. Which is the key justification for its existence in the first place!! | |||
" You keep ignoring the simple fact that this bill does nothing to curb illegal activity.." "Curbing it" ISN'T the point. It's to PREVENT it. And surveillance CAN prevent bad shit from happening. | |||
"The government has always spied on the public but because its not legal it cannot be used in court. Change the law to make it legal and then any such incriminating information can be used in court. So that suggests there is a lot of information that 'could' be used if it were legal tender. Let the government have its way, and then just sit back and see what it reveals in time such as REAL reductions in crime." That's the first real attempt at a genuine justification that I have seen. Still doesn't make sense though. You think the gov. have only just thought "hey wait a minute, all this evidence we've got on terrorists we can't use. Let's pass a bill, then we'll show em."? | |||
" You keep ignoring the simple fact that this bill does nothing to curb illegal activity.. "Curbing it" ISN'T the point. It's to PREVENT it. And surveillance CAN prevent bad shit from happening." You've never heard of the dark web then? | |||
" You keep ignoring the simple fact that this bill does nothing to curb illegal activity.. "Curbing it" ISN'T the point. It's to PREVENT it. And surveillance CAN prevent bad shit from happening. You've never heard of the dark web then?" ....Do you ever STFU?... You're like an annoying little brother. A boomering..you just keep coming back from stupid places where I throw it. | |||
" ....Do you ever STFU?... You're like an annoying little brother. A boomering..you just keep coming back from stupid places where I throw it." Haha well in that case you must be the know it all older brother, who doesn't actually know so much. | |||
" You keep ignoring the simple fact that this bill does nothing to curb illegal activity.. "Curbing it" ISN'T the point. It's to PREVENT it. And surveillance CAN prevent bad shit from happening." But amount of surveillance of me is going to prevent any illegal or bad shit from happening because I'm never going to do any illegal or bad shit. However I am doing things I would not want my mother, brother, sister or neighbours to know about and if someone else (like the government or the police) knows about those things they could possibly be used against me. | |||
"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons" Just don't understand where you are coming from. What is your point? I am not in the slightest bit bothered who knows about my lifestyle. It isn't something I broadcast...but nor do I hide it. Friends, family, work....all aware of what I do. | |||
" You keep ignoring the simple fact that this bill does nothing to curb illegal activity.. "Curbing it" ISN'T the point. It's to PREVENT it. And surveillance CAN prevent bad shit from happening. But amount of surveillance of me is going to prevent any illegal or bad shit from happening because I'm never going to do any illegal or bad shit. However I am doing things I would not want my mother, brother, sister or neighbours to know about and if someone else (like the government or the police) knows about those things they could possibly be used against me." Combine that with the fact that the pedophiles, terrorists, drug dealers, illegal arms dealers, and even hitmen are all openly operating on the darknet.. | |||
"lf the government pass the snooper‘s charter in the house of commons Just don't understand where you are coming from. What is your point? I am not in the slightest bit bothered who knows about my lifestyle. It isn't something I broadcast...but nor do I hide it. Friends, family, work....all aware of what I do." I wasn't actually talking about my lifestyle on here but I could have been. Just because you're happy if people know what you're doing does not mean others would be to. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume there are many people doing things, all perfectly legal, that they do not want others to know about. By allowing the government or the police to spy and snoop, without due process and oversight, you leave those people open to possible coercion. And that's before you even consider the information gathered possibly falling into the hands of others accidentally. Not an unknown possibility. | |||
