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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it? |
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These debts won't be paid, ever. It's not even possible that every country is financially indebted to other countries and the people had no say in this.
The only people who can truly be in debt are the borrowers, i borrowed nothing. Nobody i know did either. And this is exactly why i'm not nationalist, it doesn't benefit me to be so, it benefits others.
Once we denouce governments power and don't allow them to have any, well i'd like to see who fucking pays for their debts then. |
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The EU stance is about getting fully repaid. It's about Greece firstly applying basic procedures for running a modern country somewhere within it's means, eg collecting due taxes, not retiring at 52 on ludicrous Govt pensions, not having 100 public servants where 10 would suffice etc.
Once these are in place and working, the level of debt and any haircut can be considered. |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?"
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum. |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum. "
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"These debts won't be paid, ever. It's not even possible that every country is financially indebted to other countries and the people had no say in this.
The only people who can truly be in debt are the borrowers, i borrowed nothing. Nobody i know did either. And this is exactly why i'm not nationalist, it doesn't benefit me to be so, it benefits others.
Once we denouce governments power and don't allow them to have any, well i'd like to see who fucking pays for their debts then."
Governments borrow money on your behalf to pay for the school you were taught in the roads you got there on, the hospital that treats you when your are ill and the pension you get when you retire,and a whole load of other stuff as well, not saying they dont waste much of the money mind, so yes you are a borrower |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum. "
How could anyone not agree with that? Leave them with a worthless drachma, totally unable to finance themselves in the money markets, a totally disastrous run on their banks and a complete humanitarian disaster , run away inflation as well as no way to fund pensions growth or anything else. Then let the Greek government confiscate euros from bank accounts and replace them with worthless drachma. All because some people believe it would be a poke in the eye for the euro and the EU. Let's sponsor a total humanitarian disaster in Greece to satisfy some cheap and ill thought through political statement. Complete nonsense  |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum. "
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum. "
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum.
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Theres poor children starving in this country still and people give a crap about Greece? Throw them out the Euro, good riddance |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum.
How could anyone not agree with that? Leave them with a worthless drachma, totally unable to finance themselves in the money markets, a totally disastrous run on their banks and a complete humanitarian disaster , run away inflation as well as no way to fund pensions growth or anything else. Then let the Greek government confiscate euros from bank accounts and replace them with worthless drachma. All because some people believe it would be a poke in the eye for the euro and the EU. Let's sponsor a total humanitarian disaster in Greece to satisfy some cheap and ill thought through political statement. Complete nonsense "
And the Euro has helped Greece how?
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I think this will run and run, as eu seems tone being stupid about this, its a shame those who cooked the books haven't been put in court, and the austerity measures didn't seem to work before.
I was pro eu before but watching this unfold I'm on the fence now :/ |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum.
How could anyone not agree with that? Leave them with a worthless drachma, totally unable to finance themselves in the money markets, a totally disastrous run on their banks and a complete humanitarian disaster , run away inflation as well as no way to fund pensions growth or anything else. Then let the Greek government confiscate euros from bank accounts and replace them with worthless drachma. All because some people believe it would be a poke in the eye for the euro and the EU. Let's sponsor a total humanitarian disaster in Greece to satisfy some cheap and ill thought through political statement. Complete nonsense
And the Euro has helped Greece how?
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That's a pointless question since the euro is there and what matters is the consequences of sticking with it or changing it. Perhaps you can tell us how the drachma will help instead?
Then you can tell us why you wrote this above " It's about Greece firstly applying basic procedures for running a modern country somewhere within it's means, eg collecting due taxes, not retiring at 52 on ludicrous Govt pensions, not having 100 public servants where 10 would suffice etc.." |
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Governments borrow money on your behalf to pay for the school you were taught in the roads you got there on, the hospital that treats you when your are ill and the pension you get when you retire,and a whole load of other stuff as well, not saying they dont waste much of the money mind, so yes you are a borrower "
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Thank goodness, the first intelligent comment in this thread. Given some of the comments I have read, our governments should have invested considerably more money in Education!! |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum.
How could anyone not agree with that? Leave them with a worthless drachma, totally unable to finance themselves in the money markets, a totally disastrous run on their banks and a complete humanitarian disaster , run away inflation as well as no way to fund pensions growth or anything else. Then let the Greek government confiscate euros from bank accounts and replace them with worthless drachma. All because some people believe it would be a poke in the eye for the euro and the EU. Let's sponsor a total humanitarian disaster in Greece to satisfy some cheap and ill thought through political statement. Complete nonsense "
Seems your opinion is the minority opinion on this thread. |
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"I think this will run and run, as eu seems tone being stupid about this, its a shame those who cooked the books haven't been put in court, and the austerity measures didn't seem to work before.
I was pro eu before but watching this unfold I'm on the fence now :/"
Greece is a clear warning of what could happen to us at some stage if we keep handing more and more powers over to Brussels. This has been a wake up call to a lot of people and I think the momentum from the Greek fallout will hopefully sway people to vote out when we have our own referendum of EU membership. |
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum.
How could anyone not agree with that? Leave them with a worthless drachma, totally unable to finance themselves in the money markets, a totally disastrous run on their banks and a complete humanitarian disaster , run away inflation as well as no way to fund pensions growth or anything else. Then let the Greek government confiscate euros from bank accounts and replace them with worthless drachma. All because some people believe it would be a poke in the eye for the euro and the EU. Let's sponsor a total humanitarian disaster in Greece to satisfy some cheap and ill thought through political statement. Complete nonsense
Seems your opinion is the minority opinion on this thread. "
Plus you failed to mention there was talk of Russia and China stepping in to help Greece out if they left the euro and the EU. So all of what you just wrote is complete nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"These debts won't be paid, ever. It's not even possible that every country is financially indebted to other countries and the people had no say in this.
The only people who can truly be in debt are the borrowers, i borrowed nothing. Nobody i know did either. And this is exactly why i'm not nationalist, it doesn't benefit me to be so, it benefits others.
Once we denouce governments power and don't allow them to have any, well i'd like to see who fucking pays for their debts then.
Governments borrow money on your behalf to pay for the school you were taught in the roads you got there on, the hospital that treats you when your are ill and the pension you get when you retire,and a whole load of other stuff as well, not saying they dont waste much of the money mind, so yes you are a borrower "
Oh, so it isn't paid for by the copious amount of tax that YOU paid then? Interesting post  |
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"These debts won't be paid, ever. It's not even possible that every country is financially indebted to other countries and the people had no say in this.
The only people who can truly be in debt are the borrowers, i borrowed nothing. Nobody i know did either. And this is exactly why i'm not nationalist, it doesn't benefit me to be so, it benefits others.
Once we denouce governments power and don't allow them to have any, well i'd like to see who fucking pays for their debts then.
Governments borrow money on your behalf to pay for the school you were taught in the roads you got there on, the hospital that treats you when your are ill and the pension you get when you retire,and a whole load of other stuff as well, not saying they dont waste much of the money mind, so yes you are a borrower
Oh, so it isn't paid for by the copious amount of tax that YOU paid then? Interesting post "
plus the British government has not always been in debt, we do get our economy in the black sometimes and run a surplus, it just seems to be Labour governments who consistently get us in debt and leave our economy in the red. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the debt is back on the agenda, when haven't it been? Is it possible for Greece to even clear it and do they got a payment plan sorted?
They warned Greece’s that their eu membership is still on until a bailout is agreed. Is there a time period for them to clear it?
Best thing for Greece to do is tell the EU to get fucked, leave the euro and leave the EU. Then Britain should also leave when we have our referendum.
How could anyone not agree with that? Leave them with a worthless drachma, totally unable to finance themselves in the money markets, a totally disastrous run on their banks and a complete humanitarian disaster , run away inflation as well as no way to fund pensions growth or anything else. Then let the Greek government confiscate euros from bank accounts and replace them with worthless drachma. All because some people believe it would be a poke in the eye for the euro and the EU. Let's sponsor a total humanitarian disaster in Greece to satisfy some cheap and ill thought through political statement. Complete nonsense
Seems your opinion is the minority opinion on this thread.
Plus you failed to mention there was talk of Russia and China stepping in to help Greece out if they left the euro and the EU. So all of what you just wrote is complete nonsense. "
Talk. Ukip central office is telling you that that will buy greece out of trouble now is it? As they say talk is cheap. When it comes to refinancing a country you might hear a lot of talk but not see any money. You keep on spouting head office nonsense, it makes you happy even if it bears no resemblance to the real world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think this will run and run, as eu seems tone being stupid about this, its a shame those who cooked the books haven't been put in court, and the austerity measures didn't seem to work before.
I was pro eu before but watching this unfold I'm on the fence now :/
Greece is a clear warning of what could happen to us at some stage if we keep handing more and more powers over to Brussels. This has been a wake up call to a lot of people and I think the momentum from the Greek fallout will hopefully sway people to vote out when we have our own referendum of EU membership. "
It seems to be a clear warning that if you lie to your people and to your international partners about your economy it will come home to roost. It's a clear warning that if you let national debt get out of balance with income, make pension promises you can't keep and fail to collect taxes you're heading for trouble. The only other thing that's clear is that the euro zone have gone to great efforts to bail greece out on the condition that they run their economy sensibly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Let's get one thing straight pro/euro anti/euro brigade.
Nobody gives a fuck about Greece!
The anti euro people have the perfect agenda for propaganda with the Greek calamity
The pro euro people are even fucking worse you bunch of hypocrites, all this bollocks you've been spouting for years about European unity... You've bailed nobody out but your bleeding banks, if you were even remotely interested in helping Greece out of the insuring tragedy I could pat you on the back for effort but all there actually interested in, is the preservation of their precious baby the euro and stopping a run on your own banks! .....
Because the real calamity is Deutsche bank going bust not Greece
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Let's get one thing straight pro/euro anti/euro brigade.
Nobody gives a fuck about Greece!
The anti euro people have the perfect agenda for propaganda with the Greek calamity
The pro euro people are even fucking worse you bunch of hypocrites, all this bollocks you've been spouting for years about European unity... You've bailed nobody out but your bleeding banks, if you were even remotely interested in helping Greece out of the insuring tragedy I could pat you on the back for effort but all there actually interested in, is the preservation of their precious baby the euro and stopping a run on your own banks! .....
Because the real calamity is Deutsche bank going bust not Greece
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who got out of bed the wrong side this morning? You've lightened up on your doom and gloom forecast since the "greece is sticking two fingers up at the eurozone" thread. |
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