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over a year ago
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I see the London mayor candinates are harping on about equal pay again, as a PM I get paid £150 a day less than a male equivalent, it's not going to happen  |
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over a year ago
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"I see the London mayor candinates are harping on about equal pay again, as a PM I get paid £150 a day less than a male equivalent, it's not going to happen "
You get paid £150 a day less?  |
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over a year ago
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It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job. |
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job. "
What is your handicap?  |
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap? "
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball "
*sniggers childishly*
Sorry  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
*sniggers childishly*
Sorry "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball "
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career."
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career."
Men who don't like beer and golf
Who are these strange beings |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"maybe Project Manager
Then i can believe 150
Yes project manager
you need to work harder"
On daily rate, get paid if I work 1 hour or 10 hours as long as project is delivered |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin "
So your on at least £400 a day and your moaning?
Firefighters and nurses don't get that and they save lifes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career."
I went for a drink with a (male) contact who was more senior to me once, and came in to work the next day to rumours that I was shagging him
I've cultivated my own contacts so I'm in a decent position anyway, but I do feel I had to work a bit harder to get there than some of my male colleagues did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"maybe Project Manager
Then i can believe 150
Yes project manager
you need to work harder
On daily rate, get paid if I work 1 hour or 10 hours as long as project is delivered "
there you go then, you don't put in the effort you get paid peanuts |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"in the building trade your all paid the same depending on your scale and for contract you negotiate your own fee"
Same here but never get same rate as guy |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin
So your on at least £400 a day and your moaning?
Firefighters and nurses don't get that and they save lifes "
I don't see what that has to do with it. If you're doing the same job as someone else and getting paid a lot less, it still feels unfair even if you're getting well paid. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"maybe Project Manager
Then i can believe 150
Yes project manager
you need to work harder
On daily rate, get paid if I work 1 hour or 10 hours as long as project is delivered
there you go then, you don't put in the effort you get paid peanuts"
Work same hours and deliver same projects as guys |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin
So your on at least £400 a day and your moaning?
Firefighters and nurses don't get that and they save lifes
I don't see what that has to do with it. If you're doing the same job as someone else and getting paid a lot less, it still feels unfair even if you're getting well paid. "
Change jobs then if you feel hard done by
Personally I can't believe that anybody who's on £400 + a day moans, I'd happily do the same job as a man who's getting paid more if I was getting that
Suppose we're all different though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"maybe Project Manager
Then i can believe 150
Yes project manager
you need to work harder
On daily rate, get paid if I work 1 hour or 10 hours as long as project is delivered
there you go then, you don't put in the effort you get paid peanuts
Work same hours and deliver same projects as guys "
you don't know that
that is only what you think, the quality of your project may be much less, you only have the opinion yours is as good |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin
So your on at least £400 a day and your moaning?
Firefighters and nurses don't get that and they save lifes
I don't see what that has to do with it. If you're doing the same job as someone else and getting paid a lot less, it still feels unfair even if you're getting well paid.
Change jobs then if you feel hard done by
Personally I can't believe that anybody who's on £400 + a day moans, I'd happily do the same job as a man who's getting paid more if I was getting that
Suppose we're all different though "
Maybe you should change jobs to one where you get £400 a day then if you feel hard done by  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin "
Definitely need to register train lol I'd settle for that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin "
I can do admin for £400 a day |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"maybe Project Manager
Then i can believe 150
Yes project manager
you need to work harder
On daily rate, get paid if I work 1 hour or 10 hours as long as project is delivered
there you go then, you don't put in the effort you get paid peanuts
Work same hours and deliver same projects as guys "
Just cos she's on 400+ per day don't mean she's any less entitled to the same amount that a male would get for doing the same job. Everyone's opinion would be much difference if this was a race matter rather than gender?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin
So your on at least £400 a day and your moaning?
Firefighters and nurses don't get that and they save lifes
I don't see what that has to do with it. If you're doing the same job as someone else and getting paid a lot less, it still feels unfair even if you're getting well paid.
Change jobs then if you feel hard done by
Personally I can't believe that anybody who's on £400 + a day moans, I'd happily do the same job as a man who's getting paid more if I was getting that
Suppose we're all different though
Maybe you should change jobs to one where you get £400 a day then if you feel hard done by "
I don't feel hard done by I'm not the one moaning about my wage
Besides that i thought equality in the work place was law? Is it legal to pay women less than men?
Go see your union |
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"I see the London mayor candinates are harping on about equal pay again, as a PM I get paid £150 a day less than a male equivalent, it's not going to happen "
Over the whole of my working life (35 years) - I have been paid on a gender-neutral salary spine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Right I've just been on unison web site and they legally can not pay you less based on gender
They can however pay you less for doing the same job based on productivity, quality of work, or seniority and how long you have been employed, so maybe these guys have been there longer than you or their work is of higher quality and that's why they are being paid more and not because they are men
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career."
but why should anyone regardless of gender still in 2016 go along with this outdated, irrelevant twaddle..?
ones performance at work and any promotions should have sod all to do with hitting a bloody ball into a stuffing hole..
does my skull in.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
but why should anyone regardless of gender still in 2016 go along with this outdated, irrelevant twaddle..?
ones performance at work and any promotions should have sod all to do with hitting a bloody ball into a stuffing hole..
does my skull in.. "
Exactly if work finished at 5 then it finishes at 5! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"in the building trade your all paid the same depending on your scale and for contract you negotiate your own fee"
This is true in all jobs and has been for years.
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What keeps getting quoted is the average pay of all the women in a company compared to all the men, over a period of time.
As more women work part time, have career breaks (eg for children) and work in different jobs, often making less career progress due to taking breaks then of course the average pay will be less. It's hardly rocket science and is not going to change! |
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"in the building trade your all paid the same depending on your scale and for contract you negotiate your own fee
This is true in all jobs and has been for years.
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What keeps getting quoted is the average pay of all the women in a company compared to all the men, over a period of time.
As more women work part time, have career breaks (eg for children) and work in different jobs, often making less career progress due to taking breaks then of course the average pay will be less. It's hardly rocket science and is not going to change!"
It's interesting to note that in Northern Ireland there is a gender pay gap against men.
This has been found to be because NI has more public sector jobs than the rest of the UK.
Public sector workers tend to have more flexible working arrangements. I'd love to see more of that in the private sector. |
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx"
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much ( |
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much ("
35k a year after mortgage d3ductions is a lot to me but i live in the north so i dont know if thats much there... |
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much ("
Why are you paying £35,000 in tax ???
totally confused????????
please explain |
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job. "
I haven't seen you in my company, same sadly where I work. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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If two people are really doing the same job they should be paid the same wage, but if one person expects to be able to do less or expects to be allowed time off not granted to the other, or works more sociable hours etc. they should not expect the same wage. |
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job. "
This for me too...and I work for a trade union!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
What is your handicap?
It would be about a million, I can swing and miss the ball
Can you not go for a pint and learn to play golf? Believe me, there are many men that don't really like doing either, but do so to get ahead in their career.
Not interested in a career, we are all freelancer doing banking projects , the lowest of the low paid is on £400 a day to do admin
So your on at least £400 a day and your moaning?
Firefighters and nurses don't get that and they save lifes "
It doesn't matter how much you get paid, you should still be paid the same as your male equivalents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Right I've just been on unison web site and they legally can not pay you less based on gender
They can however pay you less for doing the same job based on productivity, quality of work, or seniority and how long you have been employed, so maybe these guys have been there longer than you or their work is of higher quality and that's why they are being paid more and not because they are men
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I see the same in my industry. I'm a writer - journalist. Women I know consistently get paid less than men. I mean perhaps women just aren't as good as writing. But even when we've been somewhere longer us freelancers who are women always are the ones getting the bum deal. The clients don't think we talk - but we do. |
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much (
Why are you paying £35,000 in tax ???
totally confused????????
please explain"
How would she *not* be paying £35k in tax and NI on £100k? That sounds low, even |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
This for me too...and I work for a trade union! "
They can be terrible for the old boys network, in my experience of working with them! |
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
This for me too...and I work for a trade union!
They can be terrible for the old boys network, in my experience of working with them!"
And where I used to work, in the public sector, it was definitely the old girls network 
Promotion and opportunities were definitely biassed through a strict female hierarchy |
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"It's more insidious in my line of work - the pay is the same (because there aren't bonuses or negotiating your own rates), it's the opportunities for promotion and secondments which are more about who you know, who you network with, who you go for a pint with or play golf with. It's that sort of thing that favours the men, rather than people being paid differently for the same job.
This for me too...and I work for a trade union!
They can be terrible for the old boys network, in my experience of working with them!
And where I used to work, in the public sector, it was definitely the old girls network
Promotion and opportunities were definitely biassed through a strict female hierarchy "
I guess it depends on your specific job. I work mainly for a local authority and the old boys network really is alive and kicking. If I was a social worker or something there might be a female hierarchy but not in most of the professions.
My experience of the unions when implementing equal pay was that they were far, far more concerned about pay protection for the male trades who'd been paid the additional bonuses for decades than they were about actually equalising the pay for the predominantly female worker groups. |
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"in the building trade your all paid the same depending on your scale and for contract you negotiate your own fee
This is true in all jobs and has been for years.
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What keeps getting quoted is the average pay of all the women in a company compared to all the men, over a period of time.
As more women work part time, have career breaks (eg for children) and work in different jobs, often making less career progress due to taking breaks then of course the average pay will be less. It's hardly rocket science and is not going to change!"
Exactly - perhaps the real issue is that men don't take an equal share in parenting and caring for elderly and disabled family members - until that changes, women will always earn less on average over their working lives.... |
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There should be much greater pay transparency, so that people can also pressure their employers.
Short and overweight people also earn £thousands less per year than others, another facet of this issue. |
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much (
Why are you paying £35,000 in tax ???
totally confused????????
please explain
How would she *not* be paying £35k in tax and NI on £100k? That sounds low, even "
anyone earning this amount of cash should have an accountant
first thing she should be doing is paying £40,000 a year TAX FREE into private pension which hugely reduces the tax and a £100,000+ income
there are many other legal tax avoidance schemes and if she really does earn that income then others within her employment will have guided her into many ways of tax avoidance which is perfectly legal and above law
which in turn makes me wonder, how can a person earn this amount of cash and not know how to properly maintain a proper cash flow  |
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much (
Why are you paying £35,000 in tax ???
totally confused????????
please explain
How would she *not* be paying £35k in tax and NI on £100k? That sounds low, even
anyone earning this amount of cash should have an accountant
first thing she should be doing is paying £40,000 a year TAX FREE into private pension which hugely reduces the tax and a £100,000+ income
there are many other legal tax avoidance schemes and if she really does earn that income then others within her employment will have guided her into many ways of tax avoidance which is perfectly legal and above law
which in turn makes me wonder, how can a person earn this amount of cash and not know how to properly maintain a proper cash flow "
Maybe she doesn't want to aggressively avoid tax, not everyone does. Personally I include pension contributions like "tax" in my head because it sure as fuck won't be there to support me in my old age when I'm there working till 75 to pay for everyone older than me. |
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Pay will never be equal between men and women unless it's minimum wage
It's very simple men and women have very different sets of skills that they excel in . Also they have different backgrounds and training
It would be unfair for a woman with a degree in mathematics to be paid less than a man in the same job as a statistician with no qualifications
but would it be fair for the woman to get paid more if she worked in a car garage as a mechanic to attract more women into the workplace
Kfc McDonalds Pizza Hut adds tesco etc all pay the same regardless of sex gender etc etc |
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Maybe she doesn't want to aggressively avoid tax, not everyone does. Personally I include pension contributions like "tax" in my head because it sure as fuck won't be there to support me in my old age when I'm there working till 75 to pay for everyone older than me. "
you are getting confused between state pension and personal / private pension
anyone who wants to retire and enjoy life at age of 55 or less should be boosting up their private pension
and if you have less than £1.25 million in your pension pot, you are entitled to pay in £40,000 each year tax free |
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"Pay will never be equal between men and women unless it's minimum wage
It's very simple men and women have very different sets of skills that they excel in . Also they have different backgrounds and training
It would be unfair for a woman with a degree in mathematics to be paid less than a man in the same job as a statistician with no qualifications
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Your comparison isn't valid.
It would be undair for a woman with a degree in mathematics to be paid less than a man in the same job with the same qualifications.
Being born with a vagina doesn't make you automatically worse at maths. |
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"in the building trade your all paid the same depending on your scale and for contract you negotiate your own fee
This is true in all jobs and has been for years.
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What keeps getting quoted is the average pay of all the women in a company compared to all the men, over a period of time.
As more women work part time, have career breaks (eg for children) and work in different jobs, often making less career progress due to taking breaks then of course the average pay will be less. It's hardly rocket science and is not going to change!"
Exactly. Come to think of it, if am employer could pay women 70% of what they paid men why would any men be employed? The firm would save a fortune by employing women.
The gender pay gap and male privilege generally is something of a myth.
Look, for example, at work place fatalities. 90% plus men. No one bats an eyelid about that.
University admissions? 60% women and rising. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
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"in the building trade your all paid the same depending on your scale and for contract you negotiate your own fee
This is true in all jobs and has been for years.
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What keeps getting quoted is the average pay of all the women in a company compared to all the men, over a period of time.
As more women work part time, have career breaks (eg for children) and work in different jobs, often making less career progress due to taking breaks then of course the average pay will be less. It's hardly rocket science and is not going to change!
Exactly. Come to think of it, if am employer could pay women 70% of what they paid men why would any men be employed? The firm would save a fortune by employing women.
The gender pay gap and male privilege generally is something of a myth.
Look, for example, at work place fatalities. 90% plus men. No one bats an eyelid about that.
University admissions? 60% women and rising."
Funny how it's only men that claim the pay gap and male privilege are myths.
Men can't see something that doesn't adversely affect them? Shocker!
"I see no ships!" |
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Funny how it's only men that claim the pay gap and male privilege are myths.
Men can't see something that doesn't adversely affect them? Shocker!
"I see no ships!""
Your choice where you work and how much you chose to earn,
if your not happy with your terms of employment, - take a walk
if you have the skills, other corporations will soon snatch you up
every individual is in charge of their own destiny
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much (
Why are you paying £35,000 in tax ???
totally confused????????
please explain
How would she *not* be paying £35k in tax and NI on £100k? That sounds low, even "
Split between low pay + dividends (Corp tax) new div tax changes start next month which means even more tax
You also forget I need to pay employers ni also - this I pay 5 times more than goggle |
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Funny how it's only men that claim the pay gap and male privilege are myths.
Men can't see something that doesn't adversely affect them? Shocker!
"I see no ships!"
Your choice where you work and how much you chose to earn,
if your not happy with your terms of employment, - take a walk
if you have the skills, other corporations will soon snatch you up
every individual is in charge of their own destiny
."
That's a very simplistic _iew of things 
In many circumstances it is very difficult to walk away and find another job
It depends on what ties you may have to a location - family, children;
On where you're based- local employment may be low or you're geographically remote;
What job your partner may have - and inability to relocate;
etc.
If you're young, free and single with no commitments or ties, then that may be easier |
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"Right I've just been on unison web site and they legally can not pay you less based on gender
They can however pay you less for doing the same job based on productivity, quality of work, or seniority and how long you have been employed, so maybe these guys have been there longer than you or their work is of higher quality and that's why they are being paid more and not because they are men
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 exactly has been for a while now |
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Funny how it's only men that claim the pay gap and male privilege are myths.
Men can't see something that doesn't adversely affect them? Shocker!
"I see no ships!"
Your choice where you work and how much you chose to earn,
if your not happy with your terms of employment, - take a walk
if you have the skills, other corporations will soon snatch you up
every individual is in charge of their own destiny
.
That's a very simplistic _iew of things
In many circumstances it is very difficult to walk away and find another job
It depends on what ties you may have to a location - family, children;
On where you're based- local employment may be low or you're geographically remote;
What job your partner may have - and inability to relocate;
etc.
If you're young, free and single with no commitments or ties, then that may be easier "
And, of course, the fact that it is *very* hard to find a company that doesn't discriminate against women in some way. It's really quite unusual in many sectors.
I could have walked out of my logistics job because I didn't like the discrimination against women... but where would I have gone? To another company that discriminated against women? |
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Maybe she doesn't want to aggressively avoid tax, not everyone does. Personally I include pension contributions like "tax" in my head because it sure as fuck won't be there to support me in my old age when I'm there working till 75 to pay for everyone older than me.
you are getting confused between state pension and personal / private pension
anyone who wants to retire and enjoy life at age of 55 or less should be boosting up their private pension
and if you have less than £1.25 million in your pension pot, you are entitled to pay in £40,000 each year tax free"
No, I'm not confused. I said that's how mentally I treat it. It's all money that I'm earning that is not in my pocket. Yes you're entitled to pay in £40,000 tax free but the next big pensions raid will be coming. And were I not in a (currently) DC company scheme, I wouldn't be putting my all eggs in the pension pot basket. Of course ploughing more money into pension schemes is the "right" thing to do but I'm also 31 and to be frank I still resent having to do it. I'm sure I'll feel differently when I'm your age. |
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"Project managment is ducking hardwork. If your paid less based on gender i dont care if your on a million its not on.xx
It's not that hard - I can blag it
We don't get, holiday pay, pensions, suck pay, maternity rights, redundancy pay etc and can get fired at 2 seconds notice) the only perk is cold hard cash, everyone on my floor earns £100k minimum, but offset as 35k is gone in tax, another £30k for a 1/2 decent flat, £5 for your season ticket - and your not left with much (
Why are you paying £35,000 in tax ???
totally confused????????
please explain
How would she *not* be paying £35k in tax and NI on £100k? That sounds low, even
anyone earning this amount of cash should have an accountant
first thing she should be doing is paying £40,000 a year TAX FREE into private pension which hugely reduces the tax and a £100,000+ income
there are many other legal tax avoidance schemes and if she really does earn that income then others within her employment will have guided her into many ways of tax avoidance which is perfectly legal and above law
which in turn makes me wonder, how can a person earn this amount of cash and not know how to properly maintain a proper cash flow "
I have an accountant (another £2k expenses a year) I'm going to live a bit before putting £40k in a pension a year for when im dead )
Even if tax efficient you are still going to pay 35% (without a pension pot) the days of 80/90% retention are long closed down by hmrc |
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Interesting debate isn't it...plenty of examples of different pay etc, and most senior positions etc are often male. I've not come across many positions where I feel there's a pay imbalance due to gender, usually there's more to it than that, and also reflects the industry I operate in etc. Still plenty of issues around it, and it definitely works both ways - women are from a societal point of _iew typically going to access less higher paid positions, annoying but true.
I often find the people who I have worked with or managed that moan about being paid less, not specifically relating to gender, are often the least deserving and just expect a pay rise because their colleagues have been given a pay rise |
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age "
No student debt, affordable house prices when you bought your property, yep that must feel great. Shame no one born after 1980 gets to experience it. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age "
Another "I'm all right Jack" attitude.
You'd be happy if you were paid less than female colleagues for the same job, I'll bet.
You'd feel it entirely fair that your only option was to look for another job. |
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Maybe she doesn't want to aggressively avoid tax, not everyone does. Personally I include pension contributions like "tax" in my head because it sure as fuck won't be there to support me in my old age when I'm there working till 75 to pay for everyone older than me.
you are getting confused between state pension and personal / private pension
anyone who wants to retire and enjoy life at age of 55 or less should be boosting up their private pension
and if you have less than £1.25 million in your pension pot, you are entitled to pay in £40,000 each year tax free"
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It is illegal to discriminate against gender.....if you feel your being unfairly paid due to your gender take the company you work for to court!!! Simple |
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age
No student debt, affordable house prices when you bought your property, yep that must feel great. Shame no one born after 1980 gets to experience it."
Some old guy at work just sold his council house he purchased for £40k for 1.3million in london
Even on my rate i can only get a mortgage for £600k (That's not even a 2 bedroom flat here)
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"It is illegal to discriminate against gender.....if you feel your being unfairly paid due to your gender take the company you work for to court!!! Simple "
I'm freelance |
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And as someone who has previously worked in low payed jobs at a young age I'd like to say that, whilst working for certain company's at 19 I was payed less than anyone over 24. Even people who had less experience than me or started their after I joined. They were being payed 25% more and in many of the cases I was much better at the job. So it's not just gender inequality. Also I have a friend who is currently on benefits and he receives £56 per week at the age of 18 yet anyone over 24 receives £74 why does age mean he needs more to Live on.....and same goes for working tax credits. Anyone under 24 can't clam working tax credits unless they have children. So I could be working with someone a year older than me even if I have more experience and am better at my job, we have the exact same monthly outgoings/bills but because of his age he can receive the working tax top up |
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"It is illegal to discriminate against gender.....if you feel your being unfairly paid due to your gender take the company you work for to court!!! Simple
I'm freelance"
So why do you allow yourself to be payed less than your male equivalent?
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age
No student debt, affordable house prices when you bought your property, yep that must feel great. Shame no one born after 1980 gets to experience it.
Some old guy at work just sold his council house he purchased for £40k for 1.3million in london
Even on my rate i can only get a mortgage for £600k (That's not even a 2 bedroom flat here)
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Don't think that's strictly true I'm 95% certain property could be had with 2 bed + within a 5 mile radius of your location for 600k or less .
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"It is illegal to discriminate against gender.....if you feel your being unfairly paid due to your gender take the company you work for to court!!! Simple
I'm freelance
So why do you allow yourself to be payed less than your male equivalent?
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because I won't get the mans rate, and I'm still very well paid |
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"It is illegal to discriminate against gender.....if you feel your being unfairly paid due to your gender take the company you work for to court!!! Simple
I'm freelance
So why do you allow yourself to be payed less than your male equivalent?
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Well I suppose we could take the other option... unemployment? |
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age
No student debt, affordable house prices when you bought your property, yep that must feel great. Shame no one born after 1980 gets to experience it.
Some old guy at work just sold his council house he purchased for £40k for 1.3million in london
Even on my rate i can only get a mortgage for £600k (That's not even a 2 bedroom flat here)
Don't think that's strictly true I'm 95% certain property could be had with 2 bed + within a 5 mile radius of your location for 600k or less .
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Indeed it's called Hackney |
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age
Another "I'm all right Jack" attitude.
You'd be happy if you were paid less than female colleagues for the same job, I'll bet.
You'd feel it entirely fair that your only option was to look for another job."
SUCH AS LIFE
its not females we have to worry about
In my work offshore, everyone is paid a different rate for doing the same job, there are fluctuations in pay of up to £20,000
You simply accept and get on with it or move else where
and if someone is on £10k - £20k more and we all get a 5% pay rise each year their 5% works out a huge amount more
I am on more cash than a good few doing the same job as me, and some are on more than im on
I have often said we should fight for a one salary pay scale but many wont even put their pay slip on the table to show how much they earn
so lady, its not just females that are on lower wage for same job
when you work in large oil corporations everyone's wage is different even if doing the same or harder job
welcome to reality |
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age
Another "I'm all right Jack" attitude.
You'd be happy if you were paid less than female colleagues for the same job, I'll bet.
You'd feel it entirely fair that your only option was to look for another job.
SUCH AS LIFE
its not females we have to worry about
In my work offshore, everyone is paid a different rate for doing the same job, there are fluctuations in pay of up to £20,000
You simply accept and get on with it or move else where
and if someone is on £10k - £20k more and we all get a 5% pay rise each year their 5% works out a huge amount more
I am on more cash than a good few doing the same job as me, and some are on more than im on
I have often said we should fight for a one salary pay scale but many wont even put their pay slip on the table to show how much they earn
so lady, its not just females that are on lower wage for same job
when you work in large oil corporations everyone's wage is different even if doing the same or harder job
welcome to reality "
Oil industry - that ball is burst now, one of my neighbours has just had another 10% rate cut (25% this year) and lucky to still have a contract |
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"Pay will never be equal between men and women unless it's minimum wage
It's very simple men and women have very different sets of skills that they excel in . Also they have different backgrounds and training
It would be unfair for a woman with a degree in mathematics to be paid less than a man in the same job as a statistician with no qualifications
Your comparison isn't valid.
It would be undair for a woman with a degree in mathematics to be paid less than a man in the same job with the same qualifications.
Being born with a vagina doesn't make you automatically worse at maths."
your vagina hasn't helped with your reading lol
Unless my lack of vagina is the problem here |
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Oil industry - that ball is burst now, one of my neighbours has just had another 10% rate cut (25% this year) and lucky to still have a contract "
perhaps that's the difference between contract and oil corporation employees,
after 30 years, the oil is still flowing more than you will ever know
North Sea & West of Shetland
not to mention world wide, but heck after 30 years if you still need to work there is a problem |
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"or if you have paid your way in life; mortgage paid off in full
nice pension pot
and no finance troubles
late 40's / early 50's is a good age
Another "I'm all right Jack" attitude.
You'd be happy if you were paid less than female colleagues for the same job, I'll bet.
You'd feel it entirely fair that your only option was to look for another job."
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•Set the first group off picking grapes, promising a silver coin for their day's work.
•After three hours, set off the second group picking grapes, promising them a fair wage.
•After another three hours, set off the third group picking grapes, promising them a fair wage.
•After another three hours, set off the fourth group picking grapes, promising them a fair wage.
•After another two hours, set off the fifth group picking grapes, promising them a fair wage.
•After one more hour, on the final alarm or bell, all should stop working, because it's pay time!
•The first group has been picking grapes for the longest but start by giving a silver coin to those in the last group, who have only worked one hour, and which leads the others to expect more.
•Now give one silver coin to each of those in the other groups. What is their reaction?
•Give the response of the owner to this unfairness - namely, 'It's what you agreed to and why shouldn't I be generous with my money, if I want to be?'
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