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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?" the hunger games and running man become a reality ? | |||
"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?" I'd like to live off the grid anyway and be completely self sufficient. A small holding living off the land etc. So hopefully it wouldn't be an issue for me If I was still here when it happened. | |||
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"We're all going to die
I needed something to cheer me up this morning "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roSvo56zUyQ | |||
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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?" I hope I'm wrong but if people who contribute nothing financially are viewed in the same way that they are now lots of people are in for a very tough time. | |||
"Golbally, based on income were in the 1% so we'll be fine as will many others on here. Now.....how to deal with the 99 petcenters? The hunger games sounded a good idea! " Globally we're probably top 5% or maybe 1&, though millions aren't so enmeshed in the capitalist/consumer culture that we are. In our section of the world most of us aren't in the 1%. So maybe millions in the UK without income or financial assets. There are alternative ways of managing society but I wonder who'll have sufficient influence to sway things. Of course we don't have to let AI be developed as much but I'd guess the tech corporations and owners wouldn't be happy. | |||
"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be? I hope I'm wrong but if people who contribute nothing financially are viewed in the same way that they are now lots of people are in for a very tough time." I agree - it dismays me on fab when I read some comments sometimes about the down at heel, Disabled etc. | |||
"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be? I hope I'm wrong but if people who contribute nothing financially are viewed in the same way that they are now lots of people are in for a very tough time. I agree - it dismays me on fab when I read some comments sometimes about the down at heel, Disabled etc." There was an interesting discussion on radio 4 about this recently but I can't remember exactly when  . It might make interesting listening if it could be found on catch up. It did suggest that global benefits might be the way forward but there would need to be huge changes in the way people think about life. | |||
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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?" Retired. Or on my back earning a fortune | |||
"Have you seen Logan's Run?" Seen it and been to where they finally emerge when they escape. | |||
"Soylent Green for lunch anyone?" Wow that's an old film. Good idea!! | |||
"We still have a long way to go before we are contributing nothing. Compared to a hundred years ago, our 40 hour week is half what we would have done to get by. Compared to 5000 years, that 80 hours was nothing as somone would spend every single waking moment in a virtual life and death struggle to survive. In years to come the average minimum wage worker will work as a data anylist, code writer or engineer working a rotational 1 day a week looking after the machines for the the average living wage and will still log in to forums to bitch about what a hard life they have. " we work a lot more hours on average than pre industrial revolution | |||
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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?" . I think it's all over within 30-50 years and funnily enough so does science!. Or we could attempt to combat the worst effects by reducing c02 emissions by 80% but then that would mean... It's all over within 16 years!. I mean it's something that many don't think about, I mean you yourself post about European roaming charges, maximum trade between European countries and flights and airport queues?... But all that has to go in just 16 years to tackle the worst effects?.... Nobody fancies that so prepare to kiss it all goodbye by 2060 | |||
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"I've not long returned from an overseas trip to places where some people are abandoned as though they are surplus to requirement...... " . It's a throw away society!. I don't say that with glee | |||
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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be? I'd like to live off the grid anyway and be completely self sufficient. A small holding living off the land etc. So hopefully it wouldn't be an issue for me If I was still here when it happened. " What happens when those who have nothing come to take what you have? Watch 'The Survivalist', its good. | |||
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"humans need not apply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU conclusion at 12.48 if you wanna skip the monotonous guy talking but you will miss the cool robots." . I love those cgp grey videos, there brilliantly informative... Creative jobs don't fare as well as you'd think | |||
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"Here's Kevin Anderson, one of the world's leading experts on climate change who heads the Tyndall centre at Manchester. . . https://youtu.be/NmL4t8TclGU" . If you fast forward to the last minute when the lady from democracy now asks him "are you hopeful"... No I'm not but if we don't try we'll definitely fail... . . You don't need to be a rocket scientist to come up with the easy solution????. 6 billon are going to die anyhow!! Your just helping the natural process | |||
"humans need not apply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU conclusion at 12.48 if you wanna skip the monotonous guy talking but you will miss the cool robots.. I love those cgp grey videos, there brilliantly informative... Creative jobs don't fare as well as you'd think" it's obvious off history anyway. used to have movie starts and famous artists but the good ones were rare and lasted decades. now it's saturated with lesser artists, or maybe the amount just makes them seem lesser, but they don't last long. yeah they're not bad films. very informative. | |||
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"I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of any claim to predict the future with absolute certainty...... "computers are doing this all the time. humans, and other things, aren't chaotic and fairly predictable. | |||
"I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of any claim to predict the future with absolute certainty......
computers are doing this all the time. humans, and other things, aren't chaotic and fairly predictable."As predictions go, Y2K was a bit of a damp squib ...... | |||
"I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of any claim to predict the future with absolute certainty......
computers are doing this all the time. humans, and other things, aren't chaotic and fairly predictable.
As predictions go, Y2K was a bit of a damp squib ...... "coz a 15 yr old sorted it out.
aw no now you made me think about whati was up to on 2000, i was a mormon, heavily pregnant and homeless.  | |||
"I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of any claim to predict the future with absolute certainty......
computers are doing this all the time. humans, and other things, aren't chaotic and fairly predictable.
As predictions go, Y2K was a bit of a damp squib ......
coz a 15 yr old sorted it out.
aw no now you made me think about whati was up to on 2000, i was a mormon, heavily pregnant and homeless. "lol While most people were enjoying the millennium eve calibrations I that evening on a stacked oilrig moored in the Cromarty Firth with 6 other guys waiting to implement damage limitation procedure as the Y2K bug reeked havoc with our computer system....... Not one single Y2K related glitch occurred.... | |||
"I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of any claim to predict the future with absolute certainty......
computers are doing this all the time. humans, and other things, aren't chaotic and fairly predictable.
As predictions go, Y2K was a bit of a damp squib ......
coz a 15 yr old sorted it out.
aw no now you made me think about whati was up to on 2000, i was a mormon, heavily pregnant and homeless.
lol
While most people were enjoying the millennium eve calibrations I that evening on a stacked oilrig moored in the Cromarty Firth with 6 other guys waiting to implement damage limitation procedure as the Y2K bug reeked havoc with our computer system.......
Not one single Y2K related glitch occurred.... "*celebrations.... grrrr auto carrot...  | |||
"I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of any claim to predict the future with absolute certainty......
computers are doing this all the time. humans, and other things, aren't chaotic and fairly predictable.
As predictions go, Y2K was a bit of a damp squib ......
coz a 15 yr old sorted it out.
aw no now you made me think about whati was up to on 2000, i was a mormon, heavily pregnant and homeless.
lol
While most people were enjoying the millennium eve calibrations I that evening on a stacked oilrig moored in the Cromarty Firth with 6 other guys waiting to implement damage limitation procedure as the Y2K bug reeked havoc with our computer system.......
Not one single Y2K related glitch occurred....
*celebrations.... grrrr auto carrot... "i didn't even notice you'd spelt that wrong. 
yeah none should've happened, they found a fix for it.
seems a bit weird they expected a glitch really, like most counters really cannot count after 1999 or be programmed to?
bet that was poop being at work though. | |||
"I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of any claim to predict the future with absolute certainty...... ". That's the old saying though!. The scientists with the best data were not very absolute, so they didn't make much noise for the last thirty years when we could have actually tackled the problem, where as those that were absolutely definite were very vocal about the conspiracy. So thirty years later were now sat here with the evidence pointing to only another 14 years left before the whole situation is hopeless and still it's not absolute, it's just a mere 94% likely, so we cling to that 6% for literally life and death | |||
"we'll be ok. were heading towards a more viable equal society. awareness of socoipathy will be more than it is now so the populace will understand politics, politicians, and world leaders more, and be able to combat the way they are running things. we're becoming more intelligent and able to spread resources now, albeit in a virtual world but eventually this will apply to the 'real' world. heightened awareness is the way to go. i think people will get bored of being selfish, immature, and narcissistic and change everything." I see the momentum in this direction and it's great and proper. I do wonder whether, despite our overwhelming majority, the powers that are currently behind the scenes won't have the tools and plans to circumvent this. | |||
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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?. I think it's all over within 30-50 years and funnily enough so does science!. Or we could attempt to combat the worst effects by reducing c02 emissions by 80% but then that would mean... It's all over within 16 years!. I mean it's something that many don't think about, I mean you yourself post about European roaming charges, maximum trade between European countries and flights and airport queues?... But all that has to go in just 16 years to tackle the worst effects?.... Nobody fancies that so prepare to kiss it all goodbye by 2060 " Sure I do post on a range of subjects - some more trivial than others. Global warming is our greatest global issue right now. I think it's closely followed by revolutions in our midst, driven by technology and the potential consequent disruption to working and wider lifestyles. These two things are not in isolation. I can see that some might think it better to have several billion less people on the planet but don't see the necessary plan. | |||
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"we'll be ok. were heading towards a more viable equal society. awareness of socoipathy will be more than it is now so the populace will understand politics, politicians, and world leaders more, and be able to combat the way they are running things. we're becoming more intelligent and able to spread resources now, albeit in a virtual world but eventually this will apply to the 'real' world. heightened awareness is the way to go. i think people will get bored of being selfish, immature, and narcissistic and change everything. I see the momentum in this direction and it's great and proper. I do wonder whether, despite our overwhelming majority, the powers that are currently behind the scenes won't have the tools and plans to circumvent this. " Like how they are trying to censor the internet? They even tried to ban free education, not sure if they managed to ban some of that but i don't think they did. They're way of life as it is now is fucked without workers and consumers, i'm sure they'd like to keep the status quo - especially as they tend to have a conservative way of thinking. If they had any sense they would leave us to it now to organise ourselves into something bigger and better than they have to offer, or even help us all to progress in a humane way so that we have some kind of utopia to keep the peace for when there's nothing for us to do and to advance the human race further. But they have no sense, would like to keep their control over us, and seem to enjoy seeing us suffer. And i do suspect they're paranoid as well so don't trust us to become anything more than the shit they already see us as. | |||
"Once we have developed a machine with AI and it realises that we are a danger to the planet, ourselves and the AI then we will be eliminated." Lol, did you hear about the twitterbot microsoft made. It was supposed to learn off humans by using twitter, it just turned into an offensive idiot. | |||
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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?" Living in a log cabin somewhere in Canada away from people preparing BBQ on my patio, listening to radio and with my sunglasses on  | |||
"it all moves a lot slower than we think - i remember as a child we had to write/draw what we thought the yr 2000 would be like - we were all supposed to be in space suits and eating a pill instead of real food by now "Well, yes it does, but the advances in technology since I was young are phenomenal, and I can't see it slowing down any time soon. | |||
"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?. I think it's all over within 30-50 years and funnily enough so does science!. Or we could attempt to combat the worst effects by reducing c02 emissions by 80% but then that would mean... It's all over within 16 years!. I mean it's something that many don't think about, I mean you yourself post about European roaming charges, maximum trade between European countries and flights and airport queues?... But all that has to go in just 16 years to tackle the worst effects?.... Nobody fancies that so prepare to kiss it all goodbye by 2060 Sure I do post on a range of subjects - some more trivial than others. Global warming is our greatest global issue right now. I think it's closely followed by revolutions in our midst, driven by technology and the potential consequent disruption to working and wider lifestyles. These two things are not in isolation. I can see that some might think it better to have several billion less people on the planet but don't see the necessary plan." . I wasn't having a poke at your posts, I actually read yours more thoughtfully as I quite like them. When we discuss and talk about future plans we hardly ever remember that massive life altering changes in everything will have to be made in order to counter human civilisation ecological and climate disaster. Most people alive today have never known anything but this way of life, the world for the last 100 years has been shrinking ever smaller for us all via air travel and communication. Shipping goods from one end of the world to the other is now common place, nobody thinks anything of eating strawberries in January, we just take them on shelves as granted. The rapid rise in human ingenuity in manipulating fossil fuels has allowed many great technological and social advances but it's also allowed us to freely and readily rape the earth of every and all commodities with little thought put into consequences... But were reaping that harvest yearly, were what could be described as wasting the greatest natural gift of nearly free energy(fossil fuels) for the hedonistic pleasure of mental wankery, practically nobody who's ever spent a fortune of this natural gift going to see stuff like the great barrier reef, great wall of China, the great pyramids of giza(you have to great in the title for it to be great) understand or even spend one minute thinking about consequences, you'll probably have noted from many forum "discussions" it easily gets turned into "it's my money and I'll... Blah blah blah". . The truth is sometimes there's no easy answer or should I say no easy answer that's palatable | |||
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"What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? They'll still need to eat, survive etc but won't perhaps be viewed as useful to the 1%, if they've nothing to spend and can't generate suitable income for them. Where will you be?. I think it's all over within 30-50 years and funnily enough so does science!. Or we could attempt to combat the worst effects by reducing c02 emissions by 80% but then that would mean... It's all over within 16 years!. I mean it's something that many don't think about, I mean you yourself post about European roaming charges, maximum trade between European countries and flights and airport queues?... But all that has to go in just 16 years to tackle the worst effects?.... Nobody fancies that so prepare to kiss it all goodbye by 2060 Sure I do post on a range of subjects - some more trivial than others. Global warming is our greatest global issue right now. I think it's closely followed by revolutions in our midst, driven by technology and the potential consequent disruption to working and wider lifestyles. These two things are not in isolation. I can see that some might think it better to have several billion less people on the planet but don't see the necessary plan.. I wasn't having a poke at your posts, I actually read yours more thoughtfully as I quite like them. When we discuss and talk about future plans we hardly ever remember that massive life altering changes in everything will have to be made in order to counter human civilisation ecological and climate disaster. Most people alive today have never known anything but this way of life, the world for the last 100 years has been shrinking ever smaller for us all via air travel and communication. Shipping goods from one end of the world to the other is now common place, nobody thinks anything of eating strawberries in January, we just take them on shelves as granted. The rapid rise in human ingenuity in manipulating fossil fuels has allowed many great technological and social advances but it's also allowed us to freely and readily rape the earth of every and all commodities with little thought put into consequences... But were reaping that harvest yearly, were what could be described as wasting the greatest natural gift of nearly free energy(fossil fuels) for the hedonistic pleasure of mental wankery, practically nobody who's ever spent a fortune of this natural gift going to see stuff like the great barrier reef, great wall of China, the great pyramids of giza(you have to great in the title for it to be great) understand or even spend one minute thinking about consequences, you'll probably have noted from many forum "discussions" it easily gets turned into "it's my money and I'll... Blah blah blah". . The truth is sometimes there's no easy answer or should I say no easy answer that's palatable" Thanks. I'm inclined to think that our world leaders will not implement much change to lifestyles, so our world - thus us - will be plunged into catastrophic global warming and major damage to the planet. Many of the world elites will be secured within highly protected enclaves. With most of the population left to fend for themselves, following implementation of technology that largely does what people did earlier - robotic systems building other robotic systems. Investments and pensions could be wiped to zero. Before such a time, increased unemployment arises as a result of technology. Societies may become more right wing, with pigs like trump inflaming hate against others and promises to 'make X great again', doing little but perpetuate their own livelihood. Small enclaves providing decent incomes to the unemployed would possibly be swamped and self-employment being implemented for most citizens. With little income, businesses don't really prosper. The transition towards such a system will be a potential minefield. Maybe the potato famine of the past would be replicated in severity in many places, whilst people can't feed themselves. Positively, increased volumes of people will realise they're being gamed and valued as nothings by leaders, influencing some changes. Is it enough power to overturn that of the few, the 1%? I'd hope so but quite uncertain. But there will be a sustained period of unemployment growth, whilst others are treated as modern slaves. | |||
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"Will the displaced by technology unemployed still be thought of as the 'shirkers'? " at first no because it will be obvious why they are out of work, but eventually yes because people who think the unemployed are lazy are stupid and will forget there are still less jobs. | |||
" Investments and pensions could be wiped to zero. Before such a time, increased unemployment arises as a result of technology. Societies may become more right wing, with pigs like trump inflaming hate against others and promises to 'make X great again', doing little but perpetuate their own livelihood. The transition towards such a system will be a potential minefield. Maybe the potato famine of the past would be replicated in severity in many places, whilst people can't feed themselves. Positively, increased volumes of people will realise they're being gamed and valued as nothings by leaders, influencing some changes. Is it enough power to overturn that of the few, the 1%? I'd hope so but quite uncertain.What happens in future society when the majority of people are surplus to requirements, due to technology being cheaper than human workers etc? " . You don't have to look any further than Sweden!. A left wing liberal bastion for decades has not got 25% voting for right wing parties that didn't even exist in Sweden ten years ago. If that can happen in Sweden, imagine what countries with a history of right wing political voting will do like the USA, Italy, France, Germany, Balkans, Spain.... People who think this current political movement is just a fly by night thing are just devoid of any context or facts!. The trouble with the powers that be is they just can't think past the modern paradigm of "this lifestyle", they think the world will collapse into chaos without exponential consumption... Whereas on the other side there's those of us that think the world will collapse into chaos with that thinking as it's actually about an orderly transition... I happen to think the evidence shows there ending will come swift and with that will come chaos!. It's the transitional management that's key | |||
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