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"No. Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations. Can't bring them back from the dead." What about the not so innocent? Should they be executed? | |||
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"No. Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations. Can't bring them back from the dead. What about the not so innocent? Should they be executed? " How could you know though? Innocence is trialled in a court which means there could be a mistake. | |||
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? " why? | |||
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"No. It's barbaric, sometimes wrongly sentenced to innocent people and countries that have it don't appear to have curbed their crime rates because of it. " This is spot on! It's neither a deterrent or rehabilitation, which are what is required | |||
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? " I'm going to say something else, imprisonment with regular reviews where things like behaviour and possible new evidence are taken into account. Can't really say it's morally wrong to kill people, and to reinforce the point we will kill people | |||
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"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them " Do you know how the law treats twins? Both would have to die if it was unclear which one committed the crime. | |||
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"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them " Lol what? | |||
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"So the moral dilemma here.. Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused.. Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified. It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act... Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not.... Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones.. Would you want that person to be punished by death? " How can you possibly say someone who randomly goes on a killing spree is of sound mind?! | |||
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"So the moral dilemma here.. Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused.. Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified. It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act... Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not.... Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones.. Would you want that person to be punished by death? " No I wouldn't. Nothing justifies the death penalty in my opinion. | |||
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"So the moral dilemma here.. Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused.. Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified. It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act... Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not.... Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones.. Would you want that person to be punished by death? " No, I still wouldn't want that. If you have a principle, it means nothing if you don't live by it in even the most trying circumstances. I admire those families that have experienced the loss of a loved one through mindless violence who preach tolerance and forgiveness. Don't ever sink to the level of equally abhorrent acts of violence. It's just a more extreme form of telling Johnny not to hit his little sister by smacking him one. | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye." You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?!  | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye. You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?! "So where does it come from then?. | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye." LOLZ | |||
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"So the moral dilemma here.. Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused.. Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified. It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act... Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not.... Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones.. Would you want that person to be punished by death? " No. FFS, just because a bad thing has happened does not make me capable of wider thought about the implications of having the death penalty. | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye. LOLZ " Yes, it is a good system to clear the prisons on lol. | |||
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"Yes On reading the thread so far contentious but. Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them." I think you've misunderstood the issue. | |||
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"So the moral dilemma here.. Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused.. Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified. It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act... Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not.... Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones.. Would you want that person to be punished by death? No, I still wouldn't want that. If you have a principle, it means nothing if you don't live by it in even the most trying circumstances. I admire those families that have experienced the loss of a loved one through mindless violence who preach tolerance and forgiveness. Don't ever sink to the level of equally abhorrent acts of violence. It's just a more extreme form of telling Johnny not to hit his little sister by smacking him one. " For the record, I don't agree with violence as an answer.. I just threw the dilemma out there to aid debate.. | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye. You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?! So where does it come from then?."As with all things biblical it's confusing as shit. There are passages that say the punishment should be the same as the injury given but then there are others that say we should not retaliate against those who hurt us. I Googled it but I'm sure a more learned forum it will be able to enlighten us lol | |||
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"So the moral dilemma here.. Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused.. Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified. It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act... Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not.... Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones.. Would you want that person to be punished by death? " It's not really a moral dilemma is it, we have already established that killing is wrong. If it acted as a deterrent then why are there so many people on death row in America. And the old chestnut about what if it were your family that was murdered. I don't think that someone who has suffered a catastrophic bereavement would necessarily be in a fit emotional state to dictate the fate of the person they perceived to be responsible | |||
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"Yes On reading the thread so far contentious but. Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them. I think you've misunderstood the issue. " Nope, capital punishment, yes What's to misunderstand | |||
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"Yes On reading the thread so far contentious but. Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them. I think you've misunderstood the issue. Nope, capital punishment, yes What's to misunderstand" The issue is, being so sure that a person found guilty by a jury, that you are willing to stake a human life on it. There are so many miscarrages of justice, that you can never be that certain a person is truly guilty. | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye. You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?! So where does it come from then?.
As with all things biblical it's confusing as shit. There are passages that say the punishment should be the same as the injury given but then there are others that say we should not retaliate against those who hurt us. I Googled it but I'm sure a more learned forum it will be able to enlighten us lol "That is right as here are many that knows it too on the forum lol and yeah some teach one thing what it means, some another meaning of it. | |||
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"Yes On reading the thread so far contentious but. Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them. I think you've misunderstood the issue. Nope, capital punishment, yes What's to misunderstand The issue is, being so sure that a person found guilty by a jury, that you are willing to stake a human life on it. There are so many miscarrages of justice, that you can never be that certain a person is truly guilty. " Surely to entrust a jury of 12 lay people with the decision to end a person's life would be impossible. I would wager that more would er on the side of caution and find them not guilty more often. | |||
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"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? " I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book. | |||
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"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them " I hope the next meet you have doesn't keep the used condom, or a strand of hair perhaps....  | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye. LOLZ Yes, it is a good system to clear the prisons on lol." I was being sarcastic... | |||
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"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book." Special forces are to protect people not kill for fun. | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye. LOLZ Yes, it is a good system to clear the prisons on lol. I was being sarcastic..." It's depressing that you had to clarify that!  | |||
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"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book." What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you? | |||
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"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book. Special forces are to protect people not kill for fun."  | |||
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"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book. What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you? " Not much, but they do it more clinical you know. | |||
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"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them " What a simplistic view of life you must have | |||
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? " something else | |||
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"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book. What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you? Not much, but they do it more clinical you know." What makes you think they want to do it
I just had an operation and the surgeon etc. knocked me out in a matter fo seconds, the wound is very neat too.
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? " so what would you say to the families of those you hang that end up being innocent.... Whoopsie? my bad???? oops????? | |||
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"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye. "No. We'd all end up blind | |||
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"The point is that the criminal justice system occasionally gets things wrong. It's bad enough when people (like the Birmingham 6) are locked up but at least they can be released. You execute someone and get it wrong you can't undo it" You have to give, to the vilest of scum, the same basic rights that you would demand in the same position | |||
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"The point is that the criminal justice system occasionally gets things wrong. It's bad enough when people (like the Birmingham 6) are locked up but at least they can be released. You execute someone and get it wrong you can't undo it" How about if I build a straw man, whereby someone is definitely guilty? Will that get people to change their minds? | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers Rapist Pedos Serial killers We know who they are " Yes | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers Rapist Pedos Serial killers We know who they are " We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point. | |||
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"If found 100% guilty then yes" Really? Oh that's disappointing. | |||
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"If found 100% guilty then yes" But that never happens, does it? See earlier points. | |||
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"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them I hope the next meet you have doesn't keep the used condom, or a strand of hair perhaps.... "so you going ti keep my spunk and hair then go kill some one then no your not because that not you what iam saying is today we can prove with out doubt then some as done it then why should they live and feed off ppl like me and you that pay taxs to keep them alive | |||
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? " I think they should make prison tuffer like the chaingangs they had in the southern states of America, making them work from dusk till dawn, that'll make criminals think twice to commit crimes | |||
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? I think they should make prison tuffer like the chaingangs they had in the southern states of America, making them work from dusk till dawn, that'll make criminals think twice to commit crimes" No it won't. It doesn't in the USA, so why do you think that it would here? | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers Rapist Pedos Serial killers We know who they are We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point. " I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers Rapist Pedos Serial killers We know who they are We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point. I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison " And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they? | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers Rapist Pedos Serial killers We know who they are We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point. I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they?" Name one? | |||
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? I think they should make prison tuffer like the chaingangs they had in the southern states of America, making them work from dusk till dawn, that'll make criminals think twice to commit crimes No it won't. It doesn't in the USA, so why do you think that it would here?" OK cut their balls off then | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers Rapist Pedos Serial killers We know who they are We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point. I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they? Name one? " The Birmingham six. There's six of them, for a start. | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers Rapist Pedos Serial killers We know who they are We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point. I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they? Name one? The Birmingham six. There's six of them, for a start. " Read my message again. I said Pedos Child killers Rapist Serial killers Those should be hanged | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers " you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all......" Well done Fabio. | |||
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"If found 100% guilty then yes" By a jury? I've been on jury service and of the 12 people half of then can't say a word for fear of making a mistake and a couple get all hot headed and want to hang the accused. It's not a great system. It's the best we've got but there is no "100%" a lot of the time. And then who does the killing? Someone who is a killer. But it's their job so that's ok? | |||
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" I said Pedos Child killers Rapist Serial killers Those should be hanged " And how many women cry wolf on men for rape etc. and then say they didn't mean it? another bunch of dead people for no reason. | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all......" Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers | |||
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" I said Pedos Child killers Rapist Serial killers Those should be hanged And how many women cry wolf on men for rape etc. and then say they didn't mean it? another bunch of dead people for no reason." Most of those women admit they lied before it even goes to trial | |||
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" I said Pedos Child killers Rapist Serial killers Those should be hanged And how many women cry wolf on men for rape etc. and then say they didn't mean it? another bunch of dead people for no reason. Most of those women admit they lied before it even goes to trial " Oh so the few who do it afterwards means only a few men get killed | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers " I can't understand why that's relevant. Is your thought process that, although people are wrongly imprisoned for some crimes, this could somehow never happen for those you have chosen to list for some reason? | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers I can't understand why that's relevant. Is your thought process that, although people are wrongly imprisoned for some crimes, this could somehow never happen for those you have chosen to list for some reason?" Doubt you be hung for stealing a car, petty crime | |||
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"So the guy that chop of a soldiers head should live then if its for sure they did then yes end there lives" | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers " all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent... your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!! so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes..... | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers I can't understand why that's relevant. Is your thought process that, although people are wrongly imprisoned for some crimes, this could somehow never happen for those you have chosen to list for some reason? Doubt you be hung for stealing a car, petty crime " So they have special, extra telepathic juries for some crimes then? | |||
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"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book. What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you? Not much, but they do it more clinical you know. What makes you think they want to do it
I just had an operation and the surgeon etc. knocked me out in a matter fo seconds, the wound is very neat too.
Perhaps the NHS should do it? "Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide. | |||
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"Perhaps the NHS should do it? Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide."You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job??? You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already. | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent... your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!! so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes....." Nothing they weren't hung! | |||
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"Perhaps the NHS should do it? Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.
You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???
You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already."In Switzerland they do It's called assisted suicide. But that's another subject | |||
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"personally my belief is this: if you are taking a life by death penalty, surely that person with the job is to push the switch or whatever still killing someone? I know it's a job and if they did bring it back someone would have to do it but I can't get my head round a person willingly killing someone for money. Harsher prisons is what we need, not these comfy ones Just my opinion though G x" Just to clarify, when I say willingly to kill someone for money I am talking about the person that took the job offer lol | |||
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"For animal abusers if hang them myself " | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers " Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. | |||
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"Perhaps the NHS should do it? Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.
You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???
You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already."My morals are fine and no dont think they would do it either, but you suggested nhs first. | |||
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"Perhaps the NHS should do it? Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.
You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???
You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.
In Switzerland they do
It's called assisted suicide.
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent... your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!! so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes..... Nothing they weren't hung! " so.... you're not advocating that "child killers" are hung then? or are you just putting that idea out there for discussion..... in which case what you have happened in all those cases? | |||
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"Perhaps the NHS should do it? Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.
You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???
You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.
In Switzerland they do
It's called assisted suicide.
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. " And look how much money he has made from it | |||
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"You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.My morals are fine and no dont think they would do it either, but you suggested nhs first." I suggested the NHS as just as ridiculous as the special forces doing the job. It was not a suggestion that the NHS actually kill convicted criminals. | |||
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"Perhaps the NHS should do it? Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.
You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???
You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.
In Switzerland they do
It's called assisted suicide.
But that's another subject
That's for terminally ill people who chose to go there to have it done. And those doctors are helping, as they see it. And I'm sure the terminally ill do as well."That's another subject Might start another thread on that When this one is ended | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. And look how much money he has made from it " So it's ok then? | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent... your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!! so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes..... Nothing they weren't hung! so.... you're not advocating that "child killers" are hung then? or are you just putting that idea out there for discussion..... in which case what you have happened in all those cases?" You asked me what i would of said to those families If they were hung I said nothing because they weren't hung | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. And look how much money he has made from it So it's ok then?"Put it like this If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing Didn't say it was OK I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story. Like all the wrongfull ones do | |||
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"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else? " Something else, Norway has the template we should follow not Saudi Arabia! | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. And look how much money he has made from it " I hope he's made lots of money. It's deserved after spending that long in prison for a crime he didn't commit. | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. And look how much money he has made from it I hope he's made lots of money. It's deserved after spending that long in prison for a crime he didn't commit." He was awarded £500,000 in compensation for all the years he spent in prison. BUT he died of a massive heart attack the following year and his mother passed away a few months later, before they even received the compensation in full - let alone spent it. | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. And look how much money he has made from it So it's ok then?
Put it like this
If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing
Didn't say it was OK
I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story.
Like all the wrongfull ones do "you are really showing your ignorance, and especially of the kiszko case... he actually died a year after he was finally release.... he had mental health issues and became a recluse... and as for money.... they were due to get 500,000... but they only ever got a small interim payment before he did, his family never got the rest of the money | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. And look how much money he has made from it So it's ok then?
Put it like this
If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing
Didn't say it was OK
I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story.
Like all the wrongfull ones do
you are really showing your ignorance, and especially of the kiszko case...
he actually died a year after he was finally release.... he had mental health issues and became a recluse...
and as for money.... they were due to get 500,000... but they only ever got a small interim payment before he did, his family never got the rest of the money"A film was made, books, His family got all the money You spend all your time on wiki | |||
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"How about bring back hanging for child killers you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit... or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years..... or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years.... or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years.... donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings.... you would have killed them all...... Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed. I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position. And look how much money he has made from it So it's ok then?
Put it like this
If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing
Didn't say it was OK
I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story.
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"Yes in my opinion by injection tho like they do in America saves tax payers money and will teach people not to do the for example murder." What if they got the conviction wrong? And they don't 'do it in America', only a few States allow it. | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki " i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... | |||
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"Yes in my opinion by injection tho like they do in America saves tax payers money and will teach people not to do the for example murder. What if they got the conviction wrong? And they don't 'do it in America', only a few States allow it." they still do it in America tho lol (don't know what states). I would bring in a lie detector, | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... " All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again " Pathetic argument. | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again Pathetic argument. "As has been explained at length, the idea you have that 'scum' and 'paedos' should be hanged is the exact reason we have a criminal justice system, as imperfect as it is, because irrational people should not have the power of life and death over their peers. | |||
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"So the moral dilemma here.. Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused.. Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified. It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act... Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not.... Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones.. Would you want that person to be punished by death? " Not really. i'd want justice and killing them would just be revenge. They should be punished but not by death. | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again Pathetic argument. "No one is arguing It's a debate | |||
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"I'd say yes, for the most heinous crimes. BUT the conviction would have to be very safe to avoid mis-carriages of justice. There are examples of it going wrong and these must be avoided at all costs. In lots of cases it is ridiculously obvious. Lots of these murder cases aren't long winded Poirot type things, it is very clear cut." So you actually think that killing some one is ok. lets not get bogged down with what that person was alleged to have done. Lets make it clear what actually happens when some one is executed. This is done in a controlled and calculated way, its totally cold blooded and premeditated. They take that person and snuff out thier life. Now how is that any different than what the murder did who actually in many instances my have had mitigating circumstances (mental health issues, crimes of passion) Also what would you do to the guy that found a man molesting one of his kids, and went nuts and killed him. Would that man be put to death he is after all a murderer, or is some types of murder ok as long as its people you dont like? | |||
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"I'd say yes, for the most heinous crimes. BUT the conviction would have to be very safe to avoid mis-carriages of justice. There are examples of it going wrong and these must be avoided at all costs. In lots of cases it is ridiculously obvious. Lots of these murder cases aren't long winded Poirot type things, it is very clear cut. So you actually think that killing some one is ok. lets not get bogged down with what that person was alleged to have done. Lets make it clear what actually happens when some one is executed. This is done in a controlled and calculated way, its totally cold blooded and premeditated. They take that person and snuff out thier life. Now how is that any different than what the murder did who actually in many instances my have had mitigating circumstances (mental health issues, crimes of passion) Also what would you do to the guy that found a man molesting one of his kids, and went nuts and killed him. Would that man be put to death he is after all a murderer, or is some types of murder ok as long as its people you dont like? " I think it is appropriate in some cases, yes. Mitigating factors are a massive part in what happens. I'm not saying do it willy-nilly. I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples. But what about the flip side of the coin where a man has videoed himself abusing children and then murdered them? Guilty without doubt from massive piles of evidence. In that case I would 100% accept the death penalty for that person. MrB | |||
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"I'd say yes, for the most heinous crimes. BUT the conviction would have to be very safe to avoid mis-carriages of justice. There are examples of it going wrong and these must be avoided at all costs. In lots of cases it is ridiculously obvious. Lots of these murder cases aren't long winded Poirot type things, it is very clear cut. So you actually think that killing some one is ok. lets not get bogged down with what that person was alleged to have done. Lets make it clear what actually happens when some one is executed. This is done in a controlled and calculated way, its totally cold blooded and premeditated. They take that person and snuff out thier life. Now how is that any different than what the murder did who actually in many instances my have had mitigating circumstances (mental health issues, crimes of passion) Also what would you do to the guy that found a man molesting one of his kids, and went nuts and killed him. Would that man be put to death he is after all a murderer, or is some types of murder ok as long as its people you dont like? I think it is appropriate in some cases, yes. Mitigating factors are a massive part in what happens. I'm not saying do it willy-nilly. I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples. But what about the flip side of the coin where a man has videoed himself abusing children and then murdered them? Guilty without doubt from massive piles of evidence. In that case I would 100% accept the death penalty for that person. MrB" The death penalty is wrong. There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice. It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield. Unless you want to pull the trigger personally? | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again Pathetic argument.
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" I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples. But what about the flip side of the coin where a man has videoed himself abusing children and then murdered them? Guilty without doubt from massive piles of evidence. In that case I would 100% accept the death penalty for that person. MrB The death penalty is wrong. There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice. It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield. Unless you want to pull the trigger personally? "I have tried to omit cases where 'it was got wrong' - they tend to be very complex cases based on complex conflicting information. These cases should not end in a death penalty, too risky. The reality is, lots of crimes are incredibly simple and also sadly sickening. I don't get the inhuman aspect. We already condone killing in a military sense. We send planes to bomb targets. We allow children to die through insufficient funding of the treatments they need. But now we have a huge moral soul searching over a person filled with evil. | |||
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" I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples. But what about the flip side of the coin where a man has videoed himself abusing children and then murdered them? Guilty without doubt from massive piles of evidence. In that case I would 100% accept the death penalty for that person. MrB The death penalty is wrong. There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice. It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield. Unless you want to pull the trigger personally?
I have tried to omit cases where 'it was got wrong' - they tend to be very complex cases based on complex conflicting information. These cases should not end in a death penalty, too risky.
The reality is, lots of crimes are incredibly simple and also sadly sickening.
I don't get the inhuman aspect. We already condone killing in a military sense. We send planes to bomb targets. We allow children to die through insufficient funding of the treatments they need.
But now we have a huge moral soul searching over a person filled with evil."We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we. | |||
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" I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples. But what about the flip side of the coin where a man has videoed himself abusing children and then murdered them? Guilty without doubt from massive piles of evidence. In that case I would 100% accept the death penalty for that person. MrB The death penalty is wrong. There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice. It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield. Unless you want to pull the trigger personally?
I have tried to omit cases where 'it was got wrong' - they tend to be very complex cases based on complex conflicting information. These cases should not end in a death penalty, too risky.
The reality is, lots of crimes are incredibly simple and also sadly sickening.
I don't get the inhuman aspect. We already condone killing in a military sense. We send planes to bomb targets. We allow children to die through insufficient funding of the treatments they need.
But now we have a huge moral soul searching over a person filled with evil.
We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we. "A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners." | |||
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"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them Do you know how the law treats twins? Both would have to die if it was unclear which one committed the crime. " My mates a screw and he had an identical twin on his wing who thought hed get away with murder due to this fact but obviusly not | |||
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"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them Do you know how the law treats twins? Both would have to die if it was unclear which one committed the crime. " Here on earth the outcome would be a little different... | |||
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" We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we. A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners."" I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging. | |||
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" We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we. A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners." I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging." You think people should be treated humanely unless they should be shot? | |||
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"If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes... "Irrefutable"? Says who... *COmiscarriagesofjusticFFS*" There lots of mis-carriages of justice, I agree. But these can't be the only debating factor. Lots of murder cases are very very simple with undeniable evidence. | |||
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" We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we. A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners." I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging. You think people should be treated humanely unless they should be shot? " Yes | |||
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"If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes... "Irrefutable"? Says who... *COmiscarriagesofjusticFFS* There lots of mis-carriages of justice, I agree. But these can't be the only debating factor. Lots of murder cases are very very simple with undeniable evidence." So a few 'judicial accidents/executions' are worth it to sate public outrage? | |||
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" We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we. A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners." I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging. You think people should be treated humanely unless they should be shot? Yes" O.K. | |||
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"If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes... "Irrefutable"? Says who... *COmiscarriagesofjusticFFS* There lots of mis-carriages of justice, I agree. But these can't be the only debating factor. Lots of murder cases are very very simple with undeniable evidence. So a few 'judicial accidents/executions' are worth it to sate public outrage?" No. I'm saying there can be no accidental executions allowable. I don't want to start in detail about horrific evidence, but in many many cases there is completely undeniable DNA and photographic evidence of guilt. That for me is the line in the sand. | |||
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"Even Albert Pierrepont himself said that executions achieved nothing. Capital punishment not only kills the criminal (assuming they are genuinely guilty) it also punishes their family. Of course, two wrongs do not make a right and far too many have been wrongly hanged. It belongs in the past. " | |||
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"No. Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations. Can't bring them back from the dead." That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years. That said I still don't know where I stand.. we need something that will scare people off crime! | |||
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"No. Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations. Can't bring them back from the dead." This | |||
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"No. Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations. Can't bring them back from the dead. That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years. That said I still don't know where I stand.. we need something that will scare people off crime!" and death row in america is full of people who for some reason dont seem to have been "scared " of the death penalty maybe becuase like the vasy majority of criminals of all types they think they will never get caught and regard being caught as an occupational hazard | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again Pathetic argument.
No one is arguing
It's a debate
You didn't address my following points.
"Judge a book by it's cover and read what you want from between selected lines."
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"No. Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations. Can't bring them back from the dead. That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years. That said I still don't know where I stand.. we need something that will scare people off crime!and death row in america is full of people who for some reason dont seem to have been "scared " of the death penalty maybe becuase like the vasy majority of criminals of all types they think they will never get caught and regard being caught as an occupational hazard " Not all states in America have the death penalty | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again Pathetic argument.
No one is arguing
It's a debate
You didn't address my following points.
"Judge a book by it's cover and read what you want from between selected lines."
I have a kindle "It's a quotation that illuminates my argument. Open your eyes and learn not to hate, ok? It's difficult but it's the better option. And I know it won't make you change your mind but you might try reading the many and varied responses on this thread about why execution is wrong, foolish and Medieval. Try it. | |||
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"No. It's barbaric, sometimes wrongly sentenced to innocent people and countries that have it don't appear to have curbed their crime rates because of it. It's neither a deterrent or rehabilitation" But it certainly stops re-offending | |||
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"No. Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations. Can't bring them back from the dead. That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years. That said I still don't know where I stand.. we need something that will scare people off crime!and death row in america is full of people who for some reason dont seem to have been "scared " of the death penalty maybe becuase like the vasy majority of criminals of all types they think they will never get caught and regard being caught as an occupational hazard Not all states in America have the death penalty " Yeah, and they execute lots of black people. But that's ok 'cos they're criminals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution Have a read. Dare ya  | |||
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" You spend all your time on wiki i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back.... you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once) i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent.... you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life... so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury..... All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again Pathetic argument.
No one is arguing
It's a debate
You didn't address my following points.
"Judge a book by it's cover and read what you want from between selected lines."
I have a kindle
It's a quotation that illuminates my argument.
Open your eyes and learn not to hate, ok? It's difficult but it's the better option.
And I know it won't make you change your mind but you might try reading the many and varied responses on this thread about why execution is wrong, foolish and Medieval.
Try it.
"Yes I hate pedos, rapist, child killers. And no amount of swingers on a sex site or on a forum will change my mind Bring the death penalty back just for them | |||
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"I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural Those sort should be hung The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again " A. There are people who are convicted of those crimes and B. how would they commit those crimes over and over again if you had them hanged? You insistence on singling out certain sorts of crimes just shows your ignorance of the legal system. Miscarriages of justice don't just happen on non-hangable crimes. They happen on the crimes you mention. So having a miscarriage of justice in a rape case how would you bring the hanged person back if they were later found innocent? And I really mean how? In fact I'm beginning to this this is a troll argument just to wind the rest of us up it is so flimsy and flawed. When you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it it possible to un-hang people I might, jsut might take you seriously | |||
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"Yes I hate pedos, rapist, child killers. And no amount of swingers on a sex site or on a forum will change my mind Bring the death penalty back just for them " OMG are you for real??? Or just unable to see that every convicted rapist etc. MIGHT NOT BE GUILTY? And your possible insinuation that the rest of us don't dislike rapists etc, is rather poor taste too. | |||
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