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"Personally, I find being forced to inhale vast clouds of sickly sweet smelling vapour just as offensive to my nose as cigarette smoke, if not moreso. I would consider vaping to be smoking, and would choose not to meet a vaper as I would choose not to meet a smoker. Other people's opinions do vary on the matter." In many ways I find it worse, the cloud of vape that people put out as they walk down the street seems much bigger than that of smokers. And the other day I was starting to wonder if a car was actually in fire so much vape was coming out of it! Worse still is knowing that all that cloud of vape came out of someone's body, at least with smoke some of it comes off the cig without being cycles through a human! | |||
"if it was classed as smoking all pubs would ban it? My local allows vaping - thank god lol" Sounds like a return to the bad old days of trying to find somewhere where you could eat/drink without having to smoke someone else's fags!  | |||
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"Personally, I find being forced to inhale vast clouds of sickly sweet smelling vapour just as offensive to my nose as cigarette smoke, if not moreso. I would consider vaping to be smoking, and would choose not to meet a vaper as I would choose not to meet a smoker. Other people's opinions do vary on the matter." Where do you have to go to receive this 'forced' behaviour? | |||
"Personally, I find being forced to inhale vast clouds of sickly sweet smelling vapour just as offensive to my nose as cigarette smoke, if not moreso. I would consider vaping to be smoking, and would choose not to meet a vaper as I would choose not to meet a smoker. Other people's opinions do vary on the matter. In many ways I find it worse, the cloud of vape that people put out as they walk down the street seems much bigger than that of smokers. And the other day I was starting to wonder if a car was actually in fire so much vape was coming out of it! Worse still is knowing that all that cloud of vape came out of someone's body, at least with smoke some of it comes off the cig without being cycles through a human!" Yes shit never thought of that... it's like breathing?! | |||
"Technically they are but in my opinion yes they are lol Well I still class myself as a smoker " Technically they aren't. If you've not had a cigarette for a year, regardless of whether you vape, you're classed as a non-smoker. | |||
"Got myself a Smok Alien or portable smoke machine lol. Is it still classed as smoking despite currently smelling of pink lemonade with a fizz if raspberry?" The Alien is a nice mod and if I ever need a replacement regulated device that will probably be what I go for (I predominantly use mechs). Did you get the Beast tank with it? Make sure you close the airflow all the way when you fill it or it can leak. | |||
"Technically they are but in my opinion yes they are lol Well I still class myself as a smoker Technically they aren't. If you've not had a cigarette for a year, regardless of whether you vape, you're classed as a non-smoker." Who makes this classification? I agree btw just wondering for insurance purposes?, medically? | |||
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"Technically they are but in my opinion yes they are lol Well I still class myself as a smoker Technically they aren't. If you've not had a cigarette for a year, regardless of whether you vape, you're classed as a non-smoker. Who makes this classification? I agree btw just wondering for insurance purposes?, medically? " The NHS. I hit my one year on the 27th. | |||
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"Technically they are but in my opinion yes they are lol Well I still class myself as a smoker Technically they aren't. If you've not had a cigarette for a year, regardless of whether you vape, you're classed as a non-smoker. Who makes this classification? I agree btw just wondering for insurance purposes?, medically? The NHS. I hit my one year on the 27th." Well done! | |||
"I think it's still smoking and I can smell the nicotine off people who vape" Amazing as nicotine is odourless! | |||
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"I can't stand the vapours that get puffed out of them, makes me feel icky. The last bloke I met tasted heavily of vapours, it was disgusting, just as bad as smoking. I would recommend a good teeth clean or mints before a meet. And don't vape in front of meet unless they say it's okay. We don't really know what's in the vapours or if it's harmful. I think vapings a bit of a trend,some people think it's cool, it's no better than smoking in some ways xxx" We know EXACTLY what's in vape liquid - vegetable glycerine, propyline glycol, nicotine (in small amounts and some liquids have none at all) and then it's food flavourings. The Royal College of Physician's has said that vaping is 95% safer than smoking after years of trials and tests and the only reason for vape products to be included in the new TPD regulations is because the big pharmaceutical companies and big tobacco companies (the ones who sponsor the negative reports) also fund certain EU officials to have them included so they don't loose as much money when people quit smoking and stop getting smoking related illnesses. | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking" Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. | |||
"I still see someone who vapes or uses ecig thing's as being smokers. Haven't a clue what the difference is between these thing's,but if you put it to your lips and suck you smoke "Like a straw to drink with? | |||
"I can't stand the vapours that get puffed out of them, makes me feel icky. The last bloke I met tasted heavily of vapours, it was disgusting, just as bad as smoking. I would recommend a good teeth clean or mints before a meet. And don't vape in front of meet unless they say it's okay. We don't really know what's in the vapours or if it's harmful. I think vapings a bit of a trend,some people think it's cool, it's no better than smoking in some ways xxx" No better in what ways? | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation." The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! | |||
"I still see someone who vapes or uses ecig thing's as being smokers. Haven't a clue what the difference is between these thing's,but if you put it to your lips and suck you smoke
Like a straw to drink with?"Most definitely! Those I hear are the most dangerous for your health avoid at all costs. Especially the spiral one's  | |||
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"Smoking kills, anything that stops people smoking is great." | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above!" It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months." The HSE could possibly have concerns relating more to a breach of general duty under HASAW 1974 (2)1. If you could provide a link to the smoking at work regulations I'll take a look! | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months." I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. | |||
"It's not as manky as fags but it's still manky! "
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"Personally, I find being forced to inhale vast clouds of sickly sweet smelling vapour just as offensive to my nose as cigarette smoke, if not moreso. I would consider vaping to be smoking, and would choose not to meet a vaper as I would choose not to meet a smoker. Other people's opinions do vary on the matter." This about sums our opinion of Vaping up too! | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. " Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations. | |||
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"Personally, I find being forced to inhale vast clouds of sickly sweet smelling vapour just as offensive to my nose as cigarette smoke, if not moreso. I would consider vaping to be smoking, and would choose not to meet a vaper as I would choose not to meet a smoker. Other people's opinions do vary on the matter. Where do you have to go to receive this 'forced' behaviour?" When I'm walking down the street and the person in front of me exhales a vast cloud of vape-gas. It's not like I can avoid inhaling it, when it's left drifting in the air behind them. Or if they do it in the pub, where I'm trying to enjoy a pleasant evening with friends. I also find it distasteful when people wear so much perfume or aftershave it's like a cloud around them, too... so, you know, I'm not just picking on vapers and smokers. | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations." I'm not disagreeing with you re the 2nd hand smoke, I can't see anywhere where it says they have to allow vapers to have a break if they allow smokers, that's my interpretation. | |||
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"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation." Report them to who? The HSE no say over whether a company allows vaping on their premises or not or if they should class it the same as smoking and so not allow it to be done inside. They simply say that the 2 areas should be separate (although interestingly they don't say by what distance). | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations. I'm not disagreeing with you re the 2nd hand smoke, I can't see anywhere where it says they have to allow vapers to have a break if they allow smokers, that's my interpretation." Have you read the whole thing or just the condensed website version? | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. Report them to who? The HSE no say over whether a company allows vaping on their premises or not or if they should class it the same as smoking and so not allow it to be done inside. They simply say that the 2 areas should be separate (although interestingly they don't say by what distance). " I never said it should be allowed inside as I don't think it should (although legally it is allowed but is subject to individual company policy). You can report it to the HSE who will then take appropriate action or point you in the direction of who can take appropriate action. PHE and TRCP also support these regulations. | |||
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"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine?" Probably, although it depends on the strength of nicotine in the e-liquid. | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. Report them to who? The HSE no say over whether a company allows vaping on their premises or not or if they should class it the same as smoking and so not allow it to be done inside. They simply say that the 2 areas should be separate (although interestingly they don't say by what distance). I never said it should be allowed inside as I don't think it should (although legally it is allowed but is subject to individual company policy). You can report it to the HSE who will then take appropriate action or point you in the direction of who can take appropriate action. PHE and TRCP also support these regulations." even on the premises....where i work people cannot take any smoking or vaping paraphernalia into work to smoke in open areas. if they want to do either then they have to go out to their car (or soon to be built shelters). The HSE will do nothing more than speak to employers if it involves a number of smokers or there is inadequate signage/warnings etc, enforcement of smoke free legislation is referred to the local authority. Personally speaking i see it as the same as smoking, although currently thought of as less harmful (remember the time when cigs were good for you?? lol). i dont think smokers or vapers should be entitled to an extra break times , although i know a few smokers who think they are....i was not their favourite manager lol | |||
"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine? Probably, although it depends on the strength of nicotine in the e-liquid. " I know someone who uses these as a stepping-stone to quitting smoking cigarettes. He still smells of cigarettes, to me; pity because I otherwise like him Maybe the background cigarette smell is because of the nicotine. And if these contain nicotine, then how are these any better than cigarettes (health-wise)? | |||
"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine?" Some of them don't contain any at all, they're just flavoured. I think the burned fumes from a cigarette would contain way more, as well as particulates etc. | |||
"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine? Probably, although it depends on the strength of nicotine in the e-liquid. I know someone who uses these as a stepping-stone to quitting smoking cigarettes. He still smells of cigarettes, to me; pity because I otherwise like him Maybe the background cigarette smell is because of the nicotine. And if these contain nicotine, then how are these any better than cigarettes (health-wise)?" It's not the nicotine that kills you, although it is addictive. The things that kill you in cigarettes is the literal burning of leaves, plus the 100s of chemicals added by the cigarette manufacturer. If your vaping friend still smells of cigarettes then he is either vaping a tobacco flavoured liquid, or it is psychosomatic. Some liquids are 0% nicotine, so nothing addictive at all apart from the actual gustatory pleasure. | |||
"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine? Probably, although it depends on the strength of nicotine in the e-liquid. I know someone who uses these as a stepping-stone to quitting smoking cigarettes. He still smells of cigarettes, to me; pity because I otherwise like him Maybe the background cigarette smell is because of the nicotine. And if these contain nicotine, then how are these any better than cigarettes (health-wise)?" You need an answer to that? | |||
"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine? Probably, although it depends on the strength of nicotine in the e-liquid. I know someone who uses these as a stepping-stone to quitting smoking cigarettes. He still smells of cigarettes, to me; pity because I otherwise like him Maybe the background cigarette smell is because of the nicotine. And if these contain nicotine, then how are these any better than cigarettes (health-wise)? It's not the nicotine that kills you, although it is addictive. The things that kill you in cigarettes is the literal burning of leaves, plus the 100s of chemicals added by the cigarette manufacturer. If your vaping friend still smells of cigarettes then he is either vaping a tobacco flavoured liquid, or it is psychosomatic. Some liquids are 0% nicotine, so nothing addictive at all apart from the actual gustatory pleasure." You could be right. I may be sub-consciously associating his e-cigs with the smell of cigarettes | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations." You mentioned earlier that it was a requirement of the HSE... and mentioned the "smoking at work regulations" I asked you cite the regulations? | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. Report them to who? The HSE no say over whether a company allows vaping on their premises or not or if they should class it the same as smoking and so not allow it to be done inside. They simply say that the 2 areas should be separate (although interestingly they don't say by what distance). I never said it should be allowed inside as I don't think it should (although legally it is allowed but is subject to individual company policy). You can report it to the HSE who will then take appropriate action or point you in the direction of who can take appropriate action. PHE and TRCP also support these regulations." What regulations? | |||
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"Vaping is not smoking, fact! There's no two ways about it, they're completely different! Currently on an aspire cleito tank with 0.4 ohm coil and an eleaf ipower 80 Watt mod in wood grain colour! Classy and pretty huge clouds for all you boring brians who don't like them! "Wood grain?
My daughters power pack lights up with LEDs when she's vaping. It amuses me. | |||
"Vaping is not smoking, fact! There's no two ways about it, they're completely different! Currently on an aspire cleito tank with 0.4 ohm coil and an eleaf ipower 80 Watt mod in wood grain colour! Classy and pretty huge clouds for all you boring brians who don't like them! "How many Joules? | |||
"Vaping is not smoking, fact! There's no two ways about it, they're completely different! Currently on an aspire cleito tank with 0.4 ohm coil and an eleaf ipower 80 Watt mod in wood grain colour! Classy and pretty huge clouds for all you boring brians who don't like them! "they may not be legally the same but people's interpretation or perception of it can be the same and it is that which dictates wether they meet vapers or not | |||
"Vaping is not smoking, fact! There's no two ways about it, they're completely different! Currently on an aspire cleito tank with 0.4 ohm coil and an eleaf ipower 80 Watt mod in wood grain colour! Classy and pretty huge clouds for all you boring brians who don't like them!
they may not be legally the same but people's interpretation or perception of it can be the same and it is that which dictates wether they meet vapers or not"There are people who perceive they are constantly being chased by people who don't exist! Doesn't make it credible as an argument | |||
"Vaping is not smoking, fact! There's no two ways about it, they're completely different! Currently on an aspire cleito tank with 0.4 ohm coil and an eleaf ipower 80 Watt mod in wood grain colour! Classy and pretty huge clouds for all you boring brians who don't like them!
they may not be legally the same but people's interpretation or perception of it can be the same and it is that which dictates wether they meet vapers or not
There are people who perceive they are constantly being chased by people who don't exist! Doesn't make it credible as an argument"yeah cos that is the same as saying whether or not they want to fuck someone  or are you saying vapers can make complaints to the local authority because beryl wont let them fuck her because she views vapers the same as smokers? | |||
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"Vaping is not the same as smoking health and smell-wise, but if I won't meet a person who is likely to bitch at me all night for smelling like apple pie, then I won't bitch if they choose not to meet me because of it." I don't bitch at him; I just scowl everytime he 'powers-up' | |||
"Vaping is not the same as smoking health and smell-wise, but if I won't meet a person who is likely to bitch at me all night for smelling like apple pie, then I won't bitch if they choose not to meet me because of it. I don't bitch at him; I just scowl everytime he 'powers-up' "Hah, my Mum does that. It doesn't work. Especially as its only the nicotine that stops me from smothering her with a pillow. | |||
"Vaping is not smoking, fact! There's no two ways about it, they're completely different! Currently on an aspire cleito tank with 0.4 ohm coil and an eleaf ipower 80 Watt mod in wood grain colour! Classy and pretty huge clouds for all you boring brians who don't like them!
Wood grain?
My daughters power pack lights up with LEDs when she's vaping. It amuses me."Yeah the whole battery is wrapped in genuine fake walnut! | |||
"Vaping is not smoking, fact! There's no two ways about it, they're completely different! Currently on an aspire cleito tank with 0.4 ohm coil and an eleaf ipower 80 Watt mod in wood grain colour! Classy and pretty huge clouds for all you boring brians who don't like them!
they may not be legally the same but people's interpretation or perception of it can be the same and it is that which dictates wether they meet vapers or not"Ah right so that murder I committed last week was fine because I perceived it to be the right thing to do! Doesn't matter that by law it's wrong though because it's all about perception! | |||
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"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. Report them to who? The HSE no say over whether a company allows vaping on their premises or not or if they should class it the same as smoking and so not allow it to be done inside. They simply say that the 2 areas should be separate (although interestingly they don't say by what distance). I never said it should be allowed inside as I don't think it should (although legally it is allowed but is subject to individual company policy). You can report it to the HSE who will then take appropriate action or point you in the direction of who can take appropriate action. PHE and TRCP also support these regulations. even on the premises....where i work people cannot take any smoking or vaping paraphernalia into work to smoke in open areas. if they want to do either then they have to go out to their car (or soon to be built shelters). The HSE will do nothing more than speak to employers if it involves a number of smokers or there is inadequate signage/warnings etc, enforcement of smoke free legislation is referred to the local authority. Personally speaking i see it as the same as smoking, although currently thought of as less harmful (remember the time when cigs were good for you?? lol). i dont think smokers or vapers should be entitled to an extra break times , although i know a few smokers who think they are....i was not their favourite manager lol" Company policy to not allow smoking or vaping on site is legal. What I'm trying to get across is that if company policy allows smoking and vaping on site they have to keep the two separated to protect the vapers from secondhand smoke, because it isn't smoking! How is it that you see them as the same? It's a totally different process with no combustion and no smoke production. It's essentially flavoured steam. Vaping devices have actually been around since the 1920's and over the last 10 years there have been thousands of studies into their safety. The truly independent ones (not sponsored by pharmaceutical or tobacco companies or any companies/groups they sponsor, which includes several stop smoking groups) have concluded that they're between 95 and 99% safer than smoking when used correctly. | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations. You mentioned earlier that it was a requirement of the HSE... and mentioned the "smoking at work regulations" I asked you cite the regulations?" I can't post links but you have the ability to go to the correct place and download a copy for yourself. | |||
"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine?" Nope. Numerous tests have been carried out and it's shown that all nicotine is absorbed when being vaped. You could fill a room with exhaled vapour and there would be no nicotine residue. | |||
"Are e-cigs blowing out nicotine? Nope. Numerous tests have been carried out and it's shown that all nicotine is absorbed when being vaped. You could fill a room with exhaled vapour and there would be no nicotine residue." Got to admit, a room full of blueberry vape might not be dangerous to my health, but I wouldn't like it. | |||
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"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations. You mentioned earlier that it was a requirement of the HSE... and mentioned the "smoking at work regulations" I asked you cite the regulations? I can't post links but you have the ability to go to the correct place and download a copy for yourself." I wasn't aware of the smoking at work regulations hence I asked so that I could identify the requirement you referred to, in the legislation you referred to. Quite surprised I had no knowledge of it and that I can't find anything in U.K. Legislation under smoking at work regs.... ? Don't bother with a link if you just state the specific title of the legislation and it's date of commencement I can find it that way! | |||
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"Recently having worked at a company that supplied concentrated flavours for ecig liquid manufacturing you'll be surprised to know they are identical to the ones used in food manufacturing. The company primarily supplies bakeries and sweet manufacturers. So the clouds are completely safe "Big difference between sucking and smelling, as we all know. | |||
"Recently having worked at a company that supplied concentrated flavours for ecig liquid manufacturing you'll be surprised to know they are identical to the ones used in food manufacturing. The company primarily supplies bakeries and sweet manufacturers. So the clouds are completely safe "So you're saying the flavourings are safe? That sounds unsafe!! Ban them now! | |||
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"Well what's safe? I could tell u about the well known sweet that used to use chloroform as it's secret ingredient until it was banned but don't want a law suit lol and people say there not as good as they used to be. "Like cyanide in spinach? | |||
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"I regard vapers as smokers. I know the usual people with the usual defences don't like that, but it remains the case. Besides the smell, the nicotine addiction and social behaviours, both things have in common the angry defensiveness of addicts. Beyond my personal opinion I don't think it can be justified to permit vaping in public while so little is known of the impacts it may have. Best treated and regarded as the same." The angry defensiveness of addicts you refer to is in most cases disbelief at people saying the two are the same! Or the nonesense about the impacts it may have. | |||
"I regard vapers as smokers. I know the usual people with the usual defences don't like that, but it remains the case. Besides the smell, the nicotine addiction and social behaviours, both things have in common the angry defensiveness of addicts. Beyond my personal opinion I don't think it can be justified to permit vaping in public while so little is known of the impacts it may have. Best treated and regarded as the same. The angry defensiveness of addicts you refer to is in most cases disbelief at people saying the two are the same! Or the nonesense about the impacts it may have." I have to admit, I am a nicotine addict. The alternative would be so much worse though. | |||
"It is to me still smoking as I don't think any non smoker would start vaping or buying an ecig. A smoker would though." FFS ... in an effort to help them STOP SMOKING! | |||
"It is to me still smoking as I don't think any non smoker would start vaping or buying an ecig. A smoker would though. FFS ... in an effort to help them STOP SMOKING!" Exactly and the reason I switched to ecigs. Certainly helps and a stop gap to quitting nicotine fully in the future. | |||
"Well what's safe? I could tell u about the well known sweet that used to use chloroform as it's secret ingredient until it was banned but don't want a law suit lol and people say there not as good as they used to be. "Victory Vs? | |||
"It is to me still smoking as I don't think any non smoker would start vaping or buying an ecig. A smoker would though. FFS ... in an effort to help them STOP SMOKING!"
An effort to help them stop.
Not a measure they have (yet) ceased to be a smoker. | |||
" I have to admit, I am a nicotine addict. The alternative would be so much worse though." True | |||
"It is to me still smoking as I don't think any non smoker would start vaping or buying an ecig. A smoker would though. FFS ... in an effort to help them STOP SMOKING!
An effort to help them stop.
Not a measure they have (yet) ceased to be a smoker."Yes of course you're right ! Though it's quite an efficient method of smoking cessation! They cease to be a smoker when their smoking stops. It's really simple you know! | |||
"It is to me still smoking as I don't think any non smoker would start vaping or buying an ecig. A smoker would though. FFS ... in an effort to help them STOP SMOKING!
An effort to help them stop.
Not a measure they have (yet) ceased to be a smoker.
Yes of course you're right ! Though it's quite an efficient method of smoking cessation! They cease to be a smoker when their smoking stops. It's really simple you know!" You sound like you need a fag | |||
"It is to me still smoking as I don't think any non smoker would start vaping or buying an ecig. A smoker would though. FFS ... in an effort to help them STOP SMOKING!
An effort to help them stop.
Not a measure they have (yet) ceased to be a smoker.
Yes of course you're right ! Though it's quite an efficient method of smoking cessation! They cease to be a smoker when their smoking stops. It's really simple you know!
You sound like you need a fag "I'm good thanks ! I don't smoke | |||
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"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations. I'm not disagreeing with you re the 2nd hand smoke, I can't see anywhere where it says they have to allow vapers to have a break if they allow smokers, that's my interpretation. Have you read the whole thing or just the condensed website version?" I've read the website version. I do feel however based on previous posts you are trying to make it almost fit (for want of a better word). I get you've given up the fags(which is a positive) but I think you've replaced one addiction with another. | |||
"Its not smoking but in a lot of work places its classed as smoking Report them if that's the case. The HSE requires all businesses to make the distinction between smoking and vaping and provide separate areas for each to protect vapers from secondhand smoke inhalation. The HSE makes no requirement regarding the above! It does. Check the updates on the smoking at work regulations. They have a duty to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke and that includes vapers. Therefore they're not allowed to force vapers to use the same shelters as smokers. If they allow smoking on site they also have to allow vaping on site. These rules have been in force for around 6 months. I don't read it that way on the HSE website I read it as the HSE advice is that an employer needs to consider e-cigs in the wider context of the workplace. If they prohibit the use of an e-cig but allow for vaping breaks then & only then do they have to ensure the vaper isn't at harm from 2nd hand smoke. Which means they cannot force vapers to share shelters with smokers, which is what I said! I've worked H&S for years and am a fully qualified member of CIEH and know how to interpret the regulations. I'm not disagreeing with you re the 2nd hand smoke, I can't see anywhere where it says they have to allow vapers to have a break if they allow smokers, that's my interpretation. Have you read the whole thing or just the condensed website version? I've read the website version. I do feel however based on previous posts you are trying to make it almost fit (for want of a better word). I get you've given up the fags(which is a positive) but I think you've replaced one addiction with another." The addiction really remains the same, namely, nicotine However vaping is a Cleaner/healthier/less harmful way of sourcing the nicotine than traditional cigarettes | |||
