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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Now we've had the debate on people describing themselves as professional....debating to death, but what about those who describe themselves as intelligent?
How do you quantify intelligence? How do you know you are? After all some great minds have stated that the more you realise how little you know, the more intelligent you are?
What are you? |
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I have no degree but I consider myself professional... most days anyway. 
As for having smarts... well I get by. I can read and write and I can even count to ten without using my fingers. 
I know lots about some stuff and nothing about other stuff so I guess it’s subjective.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Now we've had the debate on people describing themselves as professional....debating to death, but what about those who describe themselves as intelligent?
How do you quantify intelligence? How do you know you are? After all some great minds have stated that the more you realise how little you know, the more intelligent you are?
What are you?"
I know nothing relatively speaking... |
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" Now we've had the debate on people describing themselves as professional....debating to death, but what about those who describe themselves as intelligent?
How do you quantify intelligence? How do you know you are? After all some great minds have stated that the more you realise how little you know, the more intelligent you are?
What are you?
I know nothing relatively speaking..."
Is that you Jon Snow?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a university degree specific to my job.
I am a member of a Royal College.
I think that that makes me a professional.
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I also have a professional degree though I do bugger all with it and am no longer in a “profession”. So I’m now a faux professional with no more intelligence than the next person  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Some of the most well read and incredibly intelligent people I have had the privilege to meet haven't got degrees or are pigeon holed as professionals.
Conversely, some of the most lacking in common sense have had qualifications galore.
Apart from one chap I did some work for that was just bloody brilliant at everything he set his mind to. AND he was a nice fella. AND he was a bloody handsome devil as well!!
I wasn't in the least bit envious of him... At all... Honest! |
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By *iss.RedWoman
over a year ago
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I'm 'academically' intelligent in that I have a first class degree and such but at times have absolutely no common sense at all! There are many different forms of intelligence, some of the people I know who'd be classed as traditionally intelligent have limited emotional intelligence and struggle to work with others |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would say that my job requires a certain amount of intelligence but that does not mean I am intelligent. I personally think there are so many different forms of intelligence and it's a very broad aspect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm 'academically' intelligent in that I have a first class degree and such but at times have absolutely no common sense at all! There are many different forms of intelligence, some of the people I know who'd be classed as traditionally intelligent have limited emotional intelligence and struggle to work with others "
street smart, savvy, and just generally being one step ahead of the game!.... red |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And you know what ... my best grade at school was a d . Like I said . Everything I've learned, experienced in life has come from my own learning, or what I've been through and seen with my own two eyes!... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And you know what ... my best grade at school was a d . Like I said . Everything I've learned, experienced in life has come from my own learning, or what I've been through and seen with my own two eyes!... "
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There is a fairly well tried and tested IQ test to measure pure intelligence.
But as others have noted, this does not necessarily carry over into other aspects of being a successful human being.
Someone with a well rounded personality, i.e. more than just clever, holds my attention longer.
I work with some very bright (mostly Cambridge grads) people.
Most of them I avoid like the plague! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I work with many well educated people and in would say 80% of them are so narrow minded. So my question is are they intelligent? as I feel I'm in no position to judge.
Personally I think they're bellends but that's a very unintelligent comment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a university degree specific to my job.
I am a member of a Royal College.
I think that that makes me a professional."
I'd say nearly a perfect description of what a professional is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I work with many well educated people and in would say 80% of them are so narrow minded. So my question is are they intelligent? as I feel I'm in no position to judge.
Personally I think they're bellends but that's a very unintelligent comment. "
Sorry just to clarify. I do not mean to offend educated people in any way. I'm just commenting about the people I work with. Just before someone slates me for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well I was invited to join Mensa years ago but do t think I’m more intelligent than many of my friends. I know what I know about the things that interest or involve me. X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So is there any point in myself or others stating they regard themselves as intelligent...in fact should we state anything as so much is subjective...funny...good looking...nice...these are examples, not a description of myself by the way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification."
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification.
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on. "
Like a scarecrow ? |
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"So is there any point in myself or others stating they regard themselves as intelligent...in fact should we state anything as so much is subjective...funny...good looking...nice...these are examples, not a description of myself by the way.
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It depends where the person's information is coming from. If It's only their opinion, maybe not.
If they know that other people always say these things about them, then they are on firmer ground.
But then you have to walk the line between self marketing, and being a big headed twat. A tough task for some. |
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"We all hold an intelligent form in one way or another,that we use in a day today life but no one should present themselves as better than anyone else "
I dunno... pretty sure Stephen Hawking would piss all over me at Trivial Pursuits! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We all hold an intelligent form in one way or another,that we use in a day today life but no one should present themselves as better than anyone else "
But each persons profile is trying to sell something, so in a way you have to present yourself in a better light... |
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"We all hold an intelligent form in one way or another,that we use in a day today life but no one should present themselves as better than anyone else
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Why not? Within a particular field, or regarding a specific skill, people can demonstrate they are better than others.
If I was an Olympian Gold medallist, I could claim to be better than anyone else. At least within that sporting discipline. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification.
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on.
Like a scarecrow ?"
Can a scarecrow choose it's field . Or go wherever it's poked. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification.
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on.
Like a scarecrow ?"
If you're going to be a scarecrow be the best possible scarecrow you can be |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is a fairly well tried and tested IQ test to measure pure intelligence.
But as others have noted, this does not necessarily carry over into other aspects of being a successful human being.
Someone with a well rounded personality, i.e. more than just clever, holds my attention longer.
I work with some very bright (mostly Cambridge grads) people.
Most of them I avoid like the plague!"
I’m well rounded |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We all hold an intelligent form in one way or another,that we use in a day today life but no one should present themselves as better than anyone else "
well said... equally does it
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification.
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on.
Like a scarecrow ?
Can a scarecrow choose it's field . Or go wherever it's poked. "
No.
The pokee is only poked by the poker |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification.
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on.
Like a scarecrow ?
Can a scarecrow choose it's field . Or go wherever it's poked.
No.
The pokee is only poked by the poker "
Try saying that after a hefty G&T |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification.
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on.
Like a scarecrow ?
If you're going to be a scarecrow be the best possible scarecrow you can be "
I’ve been considering a new tattoo...
I think that’s very inspired ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professional is a behaviour or an attitude to your work, not a qualification.
Not so, not in the strict sense anyway. It means that you've attained a certain level, qualification etc within your chosen field and normally have been admitted to your field's professional body, architect, engineer and so on.
Like a scarecrow ?"
Even them have a professional adjudicator, Mr Crowman! |
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" Now we've had the debate on people describing themselves as professional....debating to death, but what about those who describe themselves as intelligent?
How do you quantify intelligence? How do you know you are? After all some great minds have stated that the more you realise how little you know, the more intelligent you are?
What are you?"
Intelligence usually refers to IQ which has fairly standardised methods of assessment (other types of innate ability are available!). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’ve a physics degree.
I play regularly in a quiz league.
That may make me knowledgeable.... but that’s not the same as intelligent (my IQ is 145....true, but I’m not sure that counts either).
I’ll always remember my mums best out down.... “Shut up.....you know more about the eye of a spud” |
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"I work with many well educated people and in would say 80% of them are so narrow minded. So my question is are they intelligent? as I feel I'm in no position to judge.
Personally I think they're bellends but that's a very unintelligent comment. "
Educated and Intelligent are not the same. |
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There are many forms of intelligence. Academic, cognitive, emotional, creativity, street smarts, interpersonal. The list goes on. There is no accurate measure of holistic intelligence. Scoring high on an IQ test only means you are good at IQ tests. May not necessarily translate to other areas.
Anybody that claims to be super intelligent isn’t, because they don’t even know what they don’t know.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are many forms of intelligence. Academic, cognitive, emotional, creativity, street smarts, interpersonal. The list goes on. There is no accurate measure of holistic intelligence. Scoring high on an IQ test only means you are good at IQ tests. May not necessarily translate to other areas.
Anybody that claims to be super intelligent isn’t, because they don’t even know what they don’t know. "
Nail, head. |
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I have no degree. I hated school. My reading, spelling and grammar is terrible (dyslexic). Yet I would say I'm intelligent and those that know me I think would agree. The field I work in is very hard to get into and thus pays well. I have not followed the normal education and employment avenues. There were teachers who said i would amount to nothing. But if a system don't work for you then make your own way. I dont think you can always quantify intelligence with paperwork. |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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If I could've gained a penny for the amount of times someone has misdefined general knowledge for intelligence I'd be a millionaire.
Do an IQ test, test your problem solving abilities, waay more telling than general knowledge stuff.
Not getting into the professional debate again, the amount of people here who have no understanding of what it exactly means is staggering so it's pointless commenting.
"I've been a foot massager for twenty years so I'm surely a professional", utter nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a university degree specific to my job.
I am a member of a Royal College.
I think that that makes me a professional."
Me too! It sounds so fancy doesn't it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For me, anyone that describes THEMSELVES as intelligent just sound arrogant. Donald Trump is VERY intelligent according to himself.
I'm intelligent. Why deny it?"
It's not about denial. Who said to deny it!?
It's good to love yourself, or be proud of yourself, but to tell people how great you are, unpromoted, is just arrogance in my opinion.
All humans are intelligent when compared to amoeba, so it's all relative. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Both of us are as thick as two short planks. It's truly amazing that we even managed to construct this sentence and spell everything corectly to!
I think you’ll find that’s ‘correctly ‘
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Irony doh! Xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wow such a hard subject to think about or describe
Some people have book smarts some have street smarts some work some home
Great intelligence would have to be a combination of everything to get the perfect rounded intelegent person
But who am I to try to think about this a farmer's son who works with his hands |
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"If I could've gained a penny for the amount of times someone has misdefined general knowledge for intelligence I'd be a millionaire.
Do an IQ test, test your problem solving abilities. .."
Yup, it's not about knowledge or education, it's the ability to apply logic, to think logically to solve problems, nothing else. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Both of us are as thick as two short planks. It's truly amazing that we even managed to construct this sentence and spell everything corectly to!
I think you’ll find that’s ‘correctly ‘
Irony doh! Xx"
Actually that isn't irony. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Intelligence
IQ - abitity to solve problems logically
Emotional intelligence- ability to recognise one’s own emotions and the emotions of others and act appropriately
Social intelligence - abitity to create successful relationships, to influence others and be influenced appropriately |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Intelligence
IQ - abitity to solve problems logically
Emotional intelligence- ability to recognise one’s own emotions and the emotions of others and act appropriately
Social intelligence - abitity to create successful relationships, to influence others and be influenced appropriately "
Oh I’m severely lacking on all three fronts |
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"Some of the most well read and incredibly intelligent people I have had the privilege to meet haven't got degrees or are pigeon holed as professionals.
Conversely, some of the most lacking in common sense have had qualifications galore.
Apart from one chap I did some work for that was just bloody brilliant at everything he set his mind to. AND he was a nice fella. AND he was a bloody handsome devil as well!!
I wasn't in the least bit envious of him... At all... Honest!"
Thanks
Also, some people look the part but are terribly illiterate and lack brain cells. I meet/encounter them often. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To try and be pragmatic for a moment...
Perhaps a useful definition of professional/intelligent would be 'do you get paid well and according to your skills/knowledge/experience?'"
I don’t think pay is relevant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've worked with and met people with academic qualifications as long as your arm but some I wouldn't trust to walk my dog. But that said, who'd go to a doctor if the only qualifications they had was O-level woodwork! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can spell professional, that makes me intelligent. "
I can't spell professional or intelligent without help from spell check. I do know that OP's ellipsis are wrong though! (I'm only of average intelligence). I don't think spelling or grammar are a good reflection of how intelligent someone is, just their ability to memorize rules.
My friends dad is a doctor, clearly academically very bright. He came in one day, white shirt covered in oil. His foot pump had come apart and he couldn't put it back together. It only had 4ish components. I put it back together for him while he cleaned himself up.
I think that there are lots of different types of intelligence.
When scientists test for intelligence in the animal kingdom they test them on the ability to problem solve.
In a program the other day they put a piece of meat in a box with a door/flap on it. A lion took 20 minutes to solve the problem. Using the same lion they did it again, this time with another lion watching from a cage. 1st lion opened the box straight away this time. They then put some more meat in the box and let the 2nd lion have a go. He walked over to the box and opened it straight away demonstrating a lion not only has the ability to problem solve but also the ability to learn by watching.
Some people are great at retaining information which is what a lot of academics can do, others have more analytical minds giving them the ability to problem solve, some have both whilst others seem to be limited in either!
Thing is, there is a place in society for all levels of intellectual ability however you choose to measure or judge it. There is to much looking down and being critical of others for what they can't do rather than appreciation for what they can do.
The world is full of taxi drivers that can win master mind and doctors with shit handwriting that can't work out how to put a foot pump back together. The most stupid people are capable of acts of great wisdom and intelligence while some of the cleverest minds are capable of acts of great stupidity.
I try and surround myself with nice people! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sometimes I feel moderately intelligent. Other times I find I have to sing A, B, C, D, E, F, G in my head to remember which letter comes next. "
That's familiar |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I could've gained a penny for the amount of times someone has misdefined general knowledge for intelligence I'd be a millionaire.
Do an IQ test, test your problem solving abilities. ..
Yup, it's not about knowledge or education, it's the ability to apply logic, to think logically to solve problems, nothing else. "
Live long and prosper.. If you get this, are you intelligent, or just a nerd? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Everyone is a genius in one way or another, intelligence is merely a matter of perception. If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree it will spend it's whole life being stupid. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've a first class degree from the university of life. I'm older than most people and pretty much reinvented myself every decade. I researched everything I've ever needed to know, have way more experience at many more things than most and meander through life with eyes wide open and listen to absolutely everyone.
For instance... simply look at the grass outside your door. It ain't just grass. There are so many different varieties of grass - 50 shades of green? - and the same goes for every single thing on this planet, including people on FAB.
Fuck university - open your eyes  |
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"I've a first class degree from the university of life. I'm older than most people and pretty much reinvented myself every decade. I researched everything I've ever needed to know, have way more experience at many more things than most and meander through life with eyes wide open and listen to absolutely everyone.
For instance... simply look at the grass outside your door. It ain't just grass. There are so many different varieties of grass - 50 shades of green? - and the same goes for every single thing on this planet, including people on FAB.
Fuck university - open your eyes "
^ A perfect life summary |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a university degree specific to my job.
I am a member of a Royal College.
I think that that makes me a professional."
According to this statement, Lord Sugar and Richard Branson are not professionals.
They are scooters |
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"Everyone is a genius in one way or another, intelligence is merely a matter of perception. If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree it will spend it's whole life being stupid."
True, but most fish are just dumb anyway! |
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"I have a university degree specific to my job.
I am a member of a Royal College.
I think that that makes me a professional.
According to this statement, Lord Sugar and Richard Branson are not professionals.
They are scooters "
They are entrepreneurs in my book. Professional used to mean the member of a recognised profession, now it doesn't to most, so it will be an argument of semantics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone is a genius in one way or another, intelligence is merely a matter of perception. If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree it will spend it's whole life being stupid.
True, but most fish are just dumb anyway! "
Not thicker than me.. I’m thicker than two planks |
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"I have a university degree specific to my job.
I am a member of a Royal College.
I think that that makes me a professional.
According to this statement, Lord Sugar and Richard Branson are not professionals.
They are scooters
They are entrepreneurs in my book. Professional used to mean the member of a recognised profession, now it doesn't to most, so it will be an argument of semantics."
The problem with the historical usage, is that many of today's "professions" didn't exist when the list was made.
So something not being recognised as a traditional profession, doesn't mean it's not a modern profession. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone is a genius in one way or another, intelligence is merely a matter of perception. If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree it will spend it's whole life being stupid.
True, but most fish are just dumb anyway! "
'Twas a metaphorical fish, but then i think you already knew that, Frisky. |
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"Everyone is a genius in one way or another, intelligence is merely a matter of perception. If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree it will spend it's whole life being stupid.
True, but most fish are just dumb anyway!
Not thicker than me.. I’m thicker than two planks "
Short ones?  |
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"Everyone is a genius in one way or another, intelligence is merely a matter of perception. If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree it will spend it's whole life being stupid.
True, but most fish are just dumb anyway!
'Twas a metaphorical fish, but then i think you already knew that, Frisky. "
The metaphorical ones are always the brightest |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone is a genius in one way or another, intelligence is merely a matter of perception. If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree it will spend it's whole life being stupid.
True, but most fish are just dumb anyway!
'Twas a metaphorical fish, but then i think you already knew that, Frisky.
The metaphorical ones are always the brightest "
The fish with the grappling hook. |
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"The ability to speak does not make someone inteligent
Wearing a suit does not make one a gentleman.
Doctor Delerium"
You know that most of us have enough smarts to figure that it’s you writing your posts without you having to sign them right?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The ability to speak does not make someone inteligent
Wearing a suit does not make one a gentleman.
Doctor Delerium
You know that most of us have enough smarts to figure that it’s you writing your posts without you having to sign them right? "
Haha. |
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Wall of qualifications.
Experienced and qualified in several fields.
Sharp as a tack, excellent general knowledge...yet lacking in common sense and terribly naive at times.
Oh well...no one's perfect! |
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By *ootleCouple
over a year ago
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Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
Just because a person has a degree, masters, or PhD doesn’t make them more or less intelligent than someone who hasn’t
One of my favourites TV programs at the moment is the Un-datables – this is a group of people with learning or physical disabilities and are prejudiced against because of other people’s judgement and perceptions of them, especially with regards to their 'intelligence'.
They are just as intelligent as you or me, the only difference is the skills they need to acquire in order to develop and grow is different to you (by ‘you’ I mean those without a learning difficulty).
My husband my 2 sons and myself all have good Degrees with honours – it doesn’t make us more intelligent, it just means we were lucky in life to have been given the opportunity.
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"Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
Just because a person has a degree, masters, or PhD doesn’t make them more or less intelligent than someone who hasn’t
One of my favourites TV programs at the moment is the Un-datables – this is a group of people with learning or physical disabilities and are prejudiced against because of other people’s judgement and perceptions of them, especially with regards to their 'intelligence'.
They are just as intelligent as you or me, the only difference is the skills they need to acquire in order to develop and grow is different to you (by ‘you’ I mean those without a learning difficulty).
My husband my 2 sons and myself all have good Degrees with honours – it doesn’t make us more intelligent, it just means we were lucky in life to have been given the opportunity.
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I'm not fond of intelligent people who look down on people of lesser intelligence.
I think I like intellect over intelligence. The former may be more useful in an apocalyptic scenario. |
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"I'm not fond of intelligent people who look down on people of lesser intelligence.
I think I like intellect over intelligence. The former may be more useful in an apocalyptic scenario. "
It contradicts when you call your self The Brain  |
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" Now we've had the debate on people describing themselves as professional....debating to death, but what about those who describe themselves as intelligent?
How do you quantify intelligence? How do you know you are? After all some great minds have stated that the more you realise how little you know, the more intelligent you are?
What are you?"
My brother has no GCSEs but he is more intelligent and successful than me. I also share the view that intelligence has many facets and I personally find emotional intelligence the most sexy. |
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By *ootleCouple
over a year ago
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"Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
I disagree."
When I did my teaching degree, I did a psychology unit. I'm sure you will find that what I have quoted is a brief description for one of the definitions of intelligence (there are many definitions) taken from the Oxford dictionary / Wikipedia/ Brittanica etc. |
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"Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
I disagree.
When I did my teaching degree, I did a psychology unit. I'm sure you will find that what I have quoted is a brief description for one of the definitions of intelligence (there are many definitiond)"
That's the problem, drives me nuts everyone talking at cross purposes lol! |
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"I'm not fond of intelligent people who look down on people of lesser intelligence.
I think I like intellect over intelligence. The former may be more useful in an apocalyptic scenario.
It contradicts when you call your self The Brain "
Because I don't like people looking down on others? |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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"If I could've gained a penny for the amount of times someone has misdefined general knowledge for intelligence I'd be a millionaire.
Do an IQ test, test your problem solving abilities. ..
Yup, it's not about knowledge or education, it's the ability to apply logic, to think logically to solve problems, nothing else. "
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