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"I am guessing to get to the stage of suicide you have to be in a really dark place, and I am also guessing any rational thoughts would go out of the window" I think to someone not suffering the thought processes of the person harbouring suicidal thoughts, appear to be irrational... To someone who percieves their body as being a source of unbelievable pain...it would appear to be rational for them to stop the pain... Very subjective..... Sometimes it doesn`t seem logical... | |||
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"i havent read the Gary Speed thread but some comments made to me by someone on MSN has got me thinking. the comment made was that people, especially those who seem to have everything, are 'tossers' to take their own life. My unclce, who admittedly didnt have everything, committed suicide about 15 years ago, leaving behind 3 young boys. Personally dont think it is anything to do with being selfish or cowardly. Until we can be at that point where the only way to make life better is to end it how can we judge those that commit suicide?" It definitely isn't selfish or cowardly. That implies taking the easiest course of action. However trying to take your own life is very difficult and goes against all natural survival instincts. And calling someone a 'tosser' who finds themselves in such a desperate situation that the only solution is their own loss of life, beggars belief. Sometimes the most unlikely candidates are the ones who tend to commit suicide because, aside from the underlying cause, there's the additional pressure of saving face or keeping up appearances. And sometimes this can be enough to tip someone over the edge. We shouldn't judge but should be saddened that in our modern society we seldom give time to people who need our emotional and spiritual support. Instead we find it easier to condemn.  | |||
"i havent read the Gary Speed thread but some comments made to me by someone on MSN has got me thinking. the comment made was that people, especially those who seem to have everything, are 'tossers' to take their own life. My unclce, who admittedly didnt have everything, committed suicide about 15 years ago, leaving behind 3 young boys. Personally dont think it is anything to do with being selfish or cowardly. Until we can be at that point where the only way to make life better is to end it how can we judge those that commit suicide?" Small minded people do not understand the psychological torment people can go through. People commit suicide for many reasons and some sadly are not really aware of what they are doing. They need help before the act not mocking afterwards. | |||
" Some train drivers, never recover.. Sad , sad, sad... " I had a wonderful friend years ago, he had just started a new job as a train driver and some poor soul jumped in front of him onto the tracks, my freiend never recovered, had a terrible break down and a few years later killed himself too. So fuck'n sad | |||
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"There is an excellent blog post by Stan Collymore...not sure if twitter links are ok...however he writes of the difficulty and pain those in the grip of the back dog suffer from.Death can seem the only end to that pain... My heart goes out to anyone in that situation." Read that blog earlier today. It is a deeply honest reflection, written with graphic detail. here is the blog...hope thats ok admin Stan Collymore (@StanCollymore) Posted Saturday 26th November 2011 from Twitlonger It's 4:48am in the morning(Sat 26th Nov 2011),and i'm wide awake. I decided to tweet my own personal experience of my latest bout of Depression yesterday,and firstly wanted to thank the hundreds of messages from friends,journalists,mental health workers,doctors,and sufferers,as well as well wishers.It's very humbling to read the stories of fellow sufferers,links to blogs,and general experiences of this awful illness. I want to elaborate on what Depression is for me,as the illness has so many facets,and varies from bout to bout ,that it can be hard to explain to a fellow sufferer,never mind someone fortunate enough to have never been afflicted! I've spent so much time with Depression sufferers who have anxiety,irrational fear,too much sleep,not enough,that it's hard to pinpoint one "thing" that Depression is or isn't.All i know is that depending on the severity of the bout,it can be made of mainly one or all of these things,so i'll explain this latest bout,and what it's effect is. I keep myself in really good nick,i run 10k every week day,and only not go to the gym or exercise at weekends,when i commentate on football for talkSPORT.The running i find really has helped massively,as i'm sure you guys that suffer who exercise find,the tangible release of calm,and "being on top of things" powers your internal dynamo,and keeps the black dog from the door. Around 10 days ago however,i started to feel anxiety,which grew into irrational fear,which in turn turned into insomnia for 3 days(little sleep,and an incredibly active,negative mind),that in turn over last weekend(Swansea v Man United) into Hypersomnia,whereby my energy levels dipped to zero,and my sleep went from 8 to 18 hours overnight. So i went from last Saturday at the gym,running 10k as i normally do,looking forward to working,to Tuesday morning being unable to lift my head from the pillow, feeling like my body had been drained of any life,my brain "full" and foggy,and a body that felt like it was carrying an anvil around. So fit and healthy one day,mind,body and soul withering and dying the next.This to me is the most frightening of experiences,and one fellow suffers i'm sure will agree is the "thud" that sets the Depression rolling. Once it hits,then cause and effect start to kick in.I sleep 18 hours a day,so i don't see sunlight over sometime a period of a week(my worst ever bout,i spent a month in bed),which i'm sure a doctor then would tell me makes the body shut down even further.My personal world grows smaller,i detach from friends and family,partly out of self preservation,partly not wanting them to see the man bounding around days ago,now looks visibly older,weaker and pathetic. I eat less,my personal space gets smaller,none of the vain grooming of days before,as bathing,washing,and even going to the loo seem almost impossible.So its me,pyjamas,bed and increasingly despairing thoughts of how long this one will last,a tired,desperately tired but wildly active mind burns through its own blue touch paper until the paper ends,and there is simply nothing left. That's the point when the practicality sets in,and not a nice one(and incredible to think when you finally get well). Suicidal thoughts. Thankfully i've not got to that part yet,and in my last 10 years only once or twice has this practical reality entered my head,and practicality its is,unpalatable the thought may be to many. Why a practicality? Well,if your mind is empty,your brain ceases to function,your body is pinned to the bed,the future is a dark room,with no light,and this is your reality,it takes a massive leap of faith to know that this time next week,life could be running again,smiling,my world big and my brain back as it should be.So what do some do? They don't take the leap of faith,they address a practical problem with a practical solution to them,and that is taking their own life.And sadly,too many take that route out of this hell. I'm typing and my brain is full,cloudy and detached but i know i need to elaborate on what i'm going through because there are so many going through this that need to know it's an illness,just an illness.Not bad,mad,crazy or weak,just ill,and that with this particular illness,for its sufferers,for family and friends who are there but feel they can't help,you can! Patience,time,kindness and support.That's all we need.No "pull your socks up",no "get out of bed you lazy git",just acknowledge the feedback the sufferer gives,get them to go to the GP asap,and help them do the little things bit by bit. That may seem simple but in my experience,and currently as we speak,having a bath,walking for 5 minutes in the fresh air,making a meal,all things that days before were the norm,seem alien,so friends and family can help ,just by being non judgemental,and helping in the background to get the sufferer literally back on their feet. I hope that if you are suffering,or know someone that does,that a little insight into someone elses experiences might resonate with one or two and give them the comfort of knowing that there are millions out there like us that deal with this reality in our lives. We contribute like everyone else,so treat us like everyone else. You are not alone,there are millions of us. | |||
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" Here's another thought though, would anyone seriously call those who jumped from the twin towers tossers? I think not" I don't think they are selfish or anything for comitting suicide as I've had experience of chronic depression in the family but I dont think you can compare people trapped in a burning building who have the choice of either burning to death or jumping out of a window as being the same. | |||
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"To take your own life is not being cowardardly or selfish. Its normally because the person is depressed. The depression doesnt allow them to see anything beyond what is happening to them and how they feel" your right alot of the time its depression. Thay cant see away out of it ... thay feel this day in and day out ..And some wish thay could close there eyes and escape ..But really thay need to chat about it get it out in the open to people like samartines and close frirnds people who will not juge them for what ever it maybe. | |||
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"I find this thread very interesting on a number of levels. It shows how far we have come in the acceptance of depression and how people are aware of what a disabling illness it is. Although its no secret ive never mentioned it on these forums. I was diagnosed with severe depression at 15 and at 19 manic depression. My full diagnosis now is type 1 bi-polar(rapid cycle) with borderline personality disorder running along the side of it. Rapid cycle means it is constant. Some people can go years between a bout of mania or depression. My moods can go from one extreme to the other over the period of a day or hours. At times my life is hell. Im rarely able to travel on my own outside my local area, i suffer extreme anxiety. paranio, insomina and a 100 different symptoms that come with the illness. When i was first diagnosed people used to assume you where some kind of violent nutter, all i ever wanted was for people to have a true understanding. I think its around 15 people i know that have taken their own lives. Around 15% of people with bi polar will commit suicide. However, treatment today is so much better, different and better medication, support workers, care in the community. I have been sectioned 9 times in my life and lost count of the suicide attempts ive made. I havent attemted suicide or been in hospital for six years and i have been taken off the enhanced at risk register. I know there is certain things i can and cant do but i manage my illness as best i can. Plus i have such a fantastic support network. If anyone on here does suffer, please please get the right support, you can lead a resonable life. Life isnt easy and every day is a battle for me but i lead a very good quality of life compared to what i did up until about 10 years ago. There is light at the end of the tunnel" Good for you for sharing this... As very often mental issues are swept under the carpet or not spoken about. xx | |||
"I find this thread very interesting on a number of levels. It shows how far we have come in the acceptance of depression and how people are aware of what a disabling illness it is. Although its no secret ive never mentioned it on these forums. I was diagnosed with severe depression at 15 and at 19 manic depression. My full diagnosis now is type 1 bi-polar(rapid cycle) with borderline personality disorder running along the side of it. Rapid cycle means it is constant. Some people can go years between a bout of mania or depression. My moods can go from one extreme to the other over the period of a day or hours. At times my life is hell. Im rarely able to travel on my own outside my local area, i suffer extreme anxiety. paranio, insomina and a 100 different symptoms that come with the illness. When i was first diagnosed people used to assume you where some kind of violent nutter, all i ever wanted was for people to have a true understanding. I think its around 15 people i know that have taken their own lives. Around 15% of people with bi polar will commit suicide. However, treatment today is so much better, different and better medication, support workers, care in the community. I have been sectioned 9 times in my life and lost count of the suicide attempts ive made. I havent attemted suicide or been in hospital for six years and i have been taken off the enhanced at risk register. I know there is certain things i can and cant do but i manage my illness as best i can. Plus i have such a fantastic support network. If anyone on here does suffer, please please get the right support, you can lead a resonable life. Life isnt easy and every day is a battle for me but i lead a very good quality of life compared to what i did up until about 10 years ago. There is light at the end of the tunnel Good for you for sharing this... As very often mental issues are swept under the carpet or not spoken about. xx" Ive never mentioned it on the forums before but thought it was apt for this thread. Feel as though i have bared my soul, but if it helps one person | |||
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"i havent read the Gary Speed thread but some comments made to me by someone on MSN has got me thinking. the comment made was that people, especially those who seem to have everything, are 'tossers' to take their own life. My unclce, who admittedly didnt have everything, committed suicide about 15 years ago, leaving behind 3 young boys. Personally dont think it is anything to do with being selfish or cowardly. Until we can be at that point where the only way to make life better is to end it how can we judge those that commit suicide?" Well said | |||
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"I find this thread very interesting on a number of levels. It shows how far we have come in the acceptance of depression and how people are aware of what a disabling illness it is. Although its no secret ive never mentioned it on these forums. I was diagnosed with severe depression at 15 and at 19 manic depression. My full diagnosis now is type 1 bi-polar(rapid cycle) with borderline personality disorder running along the side of it. Rapid cycle means it is constant. Some people can go years between a bout of mania or depression. My moods can go from one extreme to the other over the period of a day or hours. At times my life is hell. Im rarely able to travel on my own outside my local area, i suffer extreme anxiety. paranio, insomina and a 100 different symptoms that come with the illness. When i was first diagnosed people used to assume you where some kind of violent nutter, all i ever wanted was for people to have a true understanding. I think its around 15 people i know that have taken their own lives. Around 15% of people with bi polar will commit suicide. However, treatment today is so much better, different and better medication, support workers, care in the community. I have been sectioned 9 times in my life and lost count of the suicide attempts ive made. I havent attemted suicide or been in hospital for six years and i have been taken off the enhanced at risk register. I know there is certain things i can and cant do but i manage my illness as best i can. Plus i have such a fantastic support network. If anyone on here does suffer, please please get the right support, you can lead a resonable life. Life isnt easy and every day is a battle for me but i lead a very good quality of life compared to what i did up until about 10 years ago. There is light at the end of the tunnel" xxxxx | |||
" Here's another thought though, would anyone seriously call those who jumped from the twin towers tossers? I think not" How on earth do you manage to compare the two?!! I think there's a marked difference between chosing a relatively quick death, jumping, than being burnt to death.
People are assuming he was depressed, I haven't read anywhere that he was. I have more sympathy for those that go off in the woods and kill themselves. Those that kill themselves in their kids bedroom or at home for their loved ones to find are selfish in my opinion.
A permanent solution to a temporary problem usually. | |||
" Here's another thought though, would anyone seriously call those who jumped from the twin towers tossers? I think not How on earth do you manage to compare the two?!! I think there's a marked difference between chosing a relatively quick death, jumping, than being burnt to death.
People are assuming he was depressed, I haven't read anywhere that he was. I have more sympathy for those that go off in the woods and kill themselves. Those that kill themselves in their kids bedroom or at home for their loved ones to find are selfish in my opinion.
A permanent solution to a temporary problem usually. "I have to agree.. There can be many reasons why someone chooses to take their life. You don't have to be depressed to commit suicide there are many reasons why someone does it. | |||
" Here's another thought though, would anyone seriously call those who jumped from the twin towers tossers? I think not How on earth do you manage to compare the two?!! I think there's a marked difference between chosing a relatively quick death, jumping, than being burnt to death.
People are assuming he was depressed, I haven't read anywhere that he was. I have more sympathy for those that go off in the woods and kill themselves. Those that kill themselves in their kids bedroom or at home for their loved ones to find are selfish in my opinion.
A permanent solution to a temporary problem usually. "I know after what I did I did feel selfish , seeing the look on first my husbands and then kids face as the ambulance turned up but and this may sound wrong it helped me to figure out I was worth something | |||
" Here's another thought though, would anyone seriously call those who jumped from the twin towers tossers? I think not How on earth do you manage to compare the two?!! I think there's a marked difference between chosing a relatively quick death, jumping, than being burnt to death.
People are assuming he was depressed, I haven't read anywhere that he was. I have more sympathy for those that go off in the woods and kill themselves. Those that kill themselves in their kids bedroom or at home for their loved ones to find are selfish in my opinion.
A permanent solution to a temporary problem usually. "Yep....I know a suicide , who planned for his 9 year old daughter to find him....home from school, into the bedroom... That was callous and cruel, nevermind selfish...and laced with self pity...given the circumstances, particular to that family... One can only imagine the effect on the child.. | |||
" Here's another thought though, would anyone seriously call those who jumped from the twin towers tossers? I think not How on earth do you manage to compare the two?!! I think there's a marked difference between chosing a relatively quick death, jumping, than being burnt to death.
People are assuming he was depressed, I haven't read anywhere that he was. I have more sympathy for those that go off in the woods and kill themselves. Those that kill themselves in their kids bedroom or at home for their loved ones to find are selfish in my opinion.
A permanent solution to a temporary problem usually. "I think to call anyone who commits suicide without involving others selfish is out of order! You have no clue what state of mind people are in. | |||
"I find this thread very interesting on a number of levels. It shows how far we have come in the acceptance of depression and how people are aware of what a disabling illness it is. Although its no secret ive never mentioned it on these forums. I was diagnosed with severe depression at 15 and at 19 manic depression. My full diagnosis now is type 1 bi-polar(rapid cycle) with borderline personality disorder running along the side of it. Rapid cycle means it is constant. Some people can go years between a bout of mania or depression. My moods can go from one extreme to the other over the period of a day or hours. At times my life is hell. Im rarely able to travel on my own outside my local area, i suffer extreme anxiety. paranio, insomina and a 100 different symptoms that come with the illness. When i was first diagnosed people used to assume you where some kind of violent nutter, all i ever wanted was for people to have a true understanding. I think its around 15 people i know that have taken their own lives. Around 15% of people with bi polar will commit suicide. However, treatment today is so much better, different and better medication, support workers, care in the community. I have been sectioned 9 times in my life and lost count of the suicide attempts ive made. I havent attemted suicide or been in hospital for six years and i have been taken off the enhanced at risk register. I know there is certain things i can and cant do but i manage my illness as best i can. Plus i have such a fantastic support network. If anyone on here does suffer, please please get the right support, you can lead a resonable life. Life isnt easy and every day is a battle for me but i lead a very good quality of life compared to what i did up until about 10 years ago. There is light at the end of the tunnel Good for you for sharing this... As very often mental issues are swept under the carpet or not spoken about. xx Ive never mentioned it on the forums before but thought it was apt for this thread. Feel as though i have bared my soul, but if it helps one person" absolute and total respect for being so open, and brave in doing so. xx | |||
" Here's another thought though, would anyone seriously call those who jumped from the twin towers tossers? I think not How on earth do you manage to compare the two?!! I think there's a marked difference between chosing a relatively quick death, jumping, than being burnt to death.
People are assuming he was depressed, I haven't read anywhere that he was. I have more sympathy for those that go off in the woods and kill themselves. Those that kill themselves in their kids bedroom or at home for their loved ones to find are selfish in my opinion.
A permanent solution to a temporary problem usually.
I think to call anyone who commits suicide without involving others selfish is out of order! You have no clue what state of mind people are in."I think you need to re read her post.. | |||
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"Reading Di's post above made me realise just what a severe illness depression can be. Up until this year death had never really touched me, nobody I ever knew really well ever died in my lifetime apart from grandparents (I was too young to remember them) and a cousin who died of cancer after falling from a horse 10 years ago (the paralysis triggered breast cancer, then it went to her organs). This year I've lost an Aunt, an Uncle and another cousin in the space of the last four months (funeral of cousin is on Wednesday). I think it is my lack of understanding about death and the darker side of life that makes me somewhat ignorant about mental illness and it's consequences. I just haven't had to face it or deal with it, and I'll be honest here, up until reading Di's post above two minutes ago I've always had the 'oh bluddy man up and pull yourself together' attitude. I did read Stan Collymore's twitter blog a couple of days ago and that had a part to play in my attitude towards depression and people who commit suicide, but Di's post really rammed the point home that it IS an illness and should be treated as such, and for that, I have to thank Diamond for opening my eyes. ...and for being so openly honest about herself. xxx" Thankyou wishy and that is why i am now really glad i put that post on. Thankyou also for being honest as i know there are a lot of people like yourself. But as i said in the last few years there does seem to be far more acceptance of it than before | |||
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"As its been said, there are so many reasons why people get so down as to want to end their lives. In my daughters case it was ill health and being in constant pain and in and out of hospital for 4 years. As a teenager she could no longer drink, dance, and all the things she enjoyed, she couldn't work and the money situation made things worse, she then became distanced from her friends and on top of that a father who was constantly putting her down and falling out with her. She once asked, "what's the point of me?" It was heartbreaking and I myself suffered with stress and depression as a consequence. Everyone is different, some people can deal easily with problems and stress, others can't. I do agree that when people get so low they do not think rationally and even though they may do things that hurt those close to them they are in such a bad place its irrelevant." Your daughter was in pain and distress and her father was not supporting her and you, in fact making things worse, in that situation no wonder she was suicidal. She probably thought her death would ease your pain. | |||
