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over a year ago
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Question.
(Yes watching Eastenders while eating tea, i know its fiction)
Would you shoot someone to protect your flesh and blood.
Not looking for reasons, not bothered if its right or wrong
Just yes or no. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question.
(Yes watching Eastenders while eating tea, i know its fiction)
Would you shoot someone to protect your flesh and blood.
Not looking for reasons, not bothered if its right or wrong
Just yes or no."
That and more |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If the other person(s) were armed or an obvious threat to life and I had a gun, like a terrorist with a suicide vest on I'd happily do hearts and minds, or just mind if they have a vest on.
If you're talking regular intruder to your home (without a firearm) I keep items that could be found in a bedroom, hair spray and a lighter under my bed should anyone ever break in, home made flame thrower to the face instead of serving time for premeditated assault by taking a weapon to bed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I was an American, I’ll shoot people anyway 
What about a Syrian?
What about Syrian?
Would you shoot people anyway if you were Syrian? "
No, only if I was an American |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m no angel and completely get people saying yes they would but it’s one thing saying it, completely different pulling the trigger.
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If it's kill or be killed then I'm pulling that trigger! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’d do anything to protect my kids, so yes, I’d shoot if I had to, wouldn’t think twice
Then you go to jail so who’s gona look after the kids? "
See this is exactly how I think! ^^^ Although probably wouldn’t at the time! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So that's a yes and a no right!!?? 
"If the other person(s) were armed or an obvious threat to life and I had a gun, like a terrorist with a suicide vest on I'd happily do hearts and minds, or just mind if they have a vest on.
If you're talking regular intruder to your home (without a firearm) I keep items that could be found in a bedroom, hair spray and a lighter under my bed should anyone ever break in, home made flame thrower to the face instead of serving time for premeditated assault by taking a weapon to bed. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’d do anything to protect my kids, so yes, I’d shoot if I had to, wouldn’t think twice
Then you go to jail so who’s gona look after the kids? "
If I had to do life to protect the lives of my kids I wouldn’t hesitate. But the law is there to protect you. You can use reasonable force to protect yourself or another and sometimes that reasonable force means killing somebody. As long as you can justify it you’re in the clear. |
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"Question.
(Yes watching Eastenders while eating tea, i know its fiction)
Would you shoot someone to protect your flesh and blood.
Not looking for reasons, not bothered if its right or wrong
Just yes or no."
Yes. No hesitation if I honestly believed their lives were at risk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question.
(Yes watching Eastenders while eating tea, i know its fiction)
Would you shoot someone to protect your flesh and blood.
Not looking for reasons, not bothered if its right or wrong
Just yes or no.
Yes. No hesitation if I honestly believed their lives were at risk."
Honest belief, you know your Card A  #ROE |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If the other person(s) were armed or an obvious threat to life and I had a gun, like a terrorist with a suicide vest on I'd happily do hearts and minds, or just mind if they have a vest on.
If you're talking regular intruder to your home (without a firearm) I keep items that could be found in a bedroom, hair spray and a lighter under my bed should anyone ever break in, home made flame thrower to the face instead of serving time for premeditated assault by taking a weapon to bed. "
We should be friends x |
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So pretty much everyone would , yet pretty much none of us have one .
It’s small wonder the Americans don’t want gun laws changed , as they do have them , and yes I’d use one to protect my family if I had one too .
But I wouldn’t want laws changed here so we could all have one . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So pretty much everyone would , yet pretty much none of us have one .
It’s small wonder the Americans don’t want gun laws changed , as they do have them , and yes I’d use one to protect my family if I had one too .
But I wouldn’t want laws changed here so we could all have one ."
Problem is an unloaded gun is about as useful as a brick, but a loaded gun can accidently kill the wrong people and often does. |
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"Question.
(Yes watching Eastenders while eating tea, i know its fiction)
Would you shoot someone to protect your flesh and blood.
Not looking for reasons, not bothered if its right or wrong
Just yes or no.
Yes. No hesitation if I honestly believed their lives were at risk.
Honest belief, you know your Card A #ROE"
I'm a big fan of Mozambique standard pattern...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I genuinely don’t know. And I’d have to live with the consequences, but I’m just not good at hurting people physically."
I'm not either, but if the choice was between them getting hurt or one of my loved ones, I wouldn't hesitate. |
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"If we had guns in this country, people will start shooting people for overtaking them
Some real hot heads behind the wheel lol "
You can fuck off, your talking like a completely ignorant fucking cu....... * oh, hold on......
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty."
It's easy to be certain while typing on a forum. Most would try threat and negotiation first in reality.
Personally I wouldn't, I would assume any attacker to be beyond negotiation and use one of the 4 swords in my bedroom or the 2 in my living room or the axes in my dining room..... let's just say it would be a bad plan to attack my home....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty.
What's the alternative?"
Exactly, faced with the choice of shooting somebody or watching your family get killed, it’s not even up for debate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty.
What's the alternative?
Exactly, faced with the choice of shooting somebody or watching your family get killed, it’s not even up for debate."
I'd quite happily drive a harpoon through someone's heart given that scenario |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty.
What's the alternative?
Exactly, faced with the choice of shooting somebody or watching your family get killed, it’s not even up for debate.
I'd quite happily drive a harpoon through someone's heart given that scenario "
You have a harpoon? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’d do anything to protect my kids, so yes, I’d shoot if I had to, wouldn’t think twice
Then you go to jail so who’s gona look after the kids? "
Nope, as long as it's reasonable in defence of yourself or another.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If we had guns in this country, people will start shooting people for overtaking them
Some real hot heads behind the wheel lol "
We do have guns in this country and they are frequently carried in vehicles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty.
What's the alternative?
Exactly, faced with the choice of shooting somebody or watching your family get killed, it’s not even up for debate.
I'd quite happily drive a harpoon through someone's heart given that scenario
You have a harpoon? "
Who doesn't have a harpoon??
I keep it next to my Trident  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was thinking bigger picture. I would do anything to protect my family, specifically my child and part of the protection is being around her, so I'd protect in a lawful way and use anything to hand that couldn't be classed as a weapon as it's the intent that can turn a regular gbh charge into a section 18 offence which is a hefty prison sentence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty.
What's the alternative?
Exactly, faced with the choice of shooting somebody or watching your family get killed, it’s not even up for debate.
I'd quite happily drive a harpoon through someone's heart given that scenario
You have a harpoon?
Who doesn't have a harpoon??
I keep it next to my Trident "
Is it wrong that I kind of want a harpoon now  |
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty."
Some of us have trained for it professionally, I'd have no dramas shooting someone who broke into my house with violent intentions or was attacking a friend or family member if there was no other option. Obviously if I could incapacitate them through non lethal means I would. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m surprised by everyone’s certainty.
What's the alternative?
Exactly, faced with the choice of shooting somebody or watching your family get killed, it’s not even up for debate.
I'd quite happily drive a harpoon through someone's heart given that scenario
You have a harpoon?
Who doesn't have a harpoon??
I keep it next to my Trident
Is it wrong that I kind of want a harpoon now "
I think it's perfectly rational |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If there were no other means to protect them, then yes. But I'm of the hide mentality first and foremost. I'd likely try barricading myself and them in my bedroom, then call the police. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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To be honest, I would probably defend any victim family or not. Primary aim would be to incapacitate and restrain. But if a higher level was needed it wouldn't be the first time. Although training is ancient history now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was thinking bigger picture. I would do anything to protect my family, specifically my child and part of the protection is being around her, so I'd protect in a lawful way and use anything to hand that couldn't be classed as a weapon as it's the intent that can turn a regular gbh charge into a section 18 offence which is a hefty prison sentence. "
I think in the heat of the moment, being selective about your weapon might not be an option. It doesn't matter anyway, it's about reasonable force and self defence that kills is lawful homicide.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My poor children, left exposed by their lily liveried vacillating mother. I’ll just have to hope the hypothetical intruder threatens them at someone else’s house. |
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We have a number of friends in the USA and I occasionally work over there. Have the gun discussion all the time and they have different views. I have friends totally opposed to gun control and friends with large collections of guns.
I have to say, when I’m in say, Chicago or LA I would definitely have firearms. It’s gone too far there now you will never stop gun ownership in a million years. So yes I would have guns for Home defence and also in the car, and I would use them if the situation dictated. I wouldn’t want to shoot anyone and certainly not to go hunting, other than rats. I would also take classes in how to use them correctly because if you use them and miss it’s a bad mistake. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Animals kill other animals all the time & have done since the beginning. It's the natural order of things.
Humans are just another animal. We're not special, we're just smart & ruthless. Mankind is the most savage beast in the kingdom & that's why we're top of the food chain.
I'm not condoning murder here, but when it comes to your survival & that of your young, your instincts will take over & you will do everything & anything to stop your attacker.
Including harpooning them in the face |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car) "
Fired a gun yes
Killed an animal with a bird of prey. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If anybody says no they wouldn’t thats a family I wouldn’t want to be a part of. Family is everything and I’d happily lay down my life to protect the ones I love "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car) "
Fired several different types of gun & even threw a hand grenade once.
I've mercy killed a pigeon that got half killed by my mum's cat once. Wasn't a pleasant feeling, but then the pigeon wasn't trying to kill my family.
Don't think I would have felt as bad if he'd flown in all tooled up & trying to start some beef |
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car) "
The first, more times than I can count.
The second, vermin, rats mainly and sadly a horse that was beyond saving & in absolute agony.
Possibly the hardest thing I've ever had to do |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Think I would prefer a club, or a sword to a gun, much easier to be sub lethal. Though it does depend on the gun and skill of the operator.
But yes in my life I have fired a variety of guns, could be proficient with them, but pleased to live in a country where I don't have or need access to one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What a load of criminals on here, good thread tho, me personally i wouldn't only because once i am caught im going jail and then i have lost my loved ones, would have to leave it to the crappy law |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car) "
I'm intrigued to hear why you asked |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car)
I'm intrigued to hear why you asked "
I killed duck by ax.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If anybody says no they wouldn’t thats a family I wouldn’t want to be a part of. Family is everything and I’d happily lay down my life to protect the ones I love "
Well you know, my kids are OK, but they’re replaceable if necessary. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've fired shots in anger to protect myself and others and I'd do it again. "
Really? In what circumstances?
Not that I wouldn't if I needed to, but I've Been in some pretty dodgy situations and yet to think a gun would have been a better solution. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If anybody says no they wouldn’t thats a family I wouldn’t want to be a part of. Family is everything and I’d happily lay down my life to protect the ones I love
Well you know, my kids are OK, but they’re replaceable if necessary. "
Just push another out. Job done |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’d do anything to protect my kids, so yes, I’d shoot if I had to, wouldn’t think twice
Then you go to jail so who’s gona look after the kids? "
A young mother protecting her kids in self defence, no she wouldn't. The media wouldn't allow it and the media run the country and set the agendas, she'd be fine. |
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I don't know all the circumstances of the plot. But in general yes to protect in a situation where that is only feasible way to protect. I have no moral worry and the mindset to do that as it is completely rational to me. As is in the law granted to us. As to how I got hold of a firearm in the first place I'm sure the police would be intrested. |
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car)
The first, more times than I can count.
The second, vermin, rats mainly and sadly a horse that was beyond saving & in absolute agony.
Possibly the hardest thing I've ever had to do "
Ditto to all.
A cat not a horse though.
And ditto it being one of the hardest things I've done. |
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"I've fired shots in anger to protect myself and others and I'd do it again.
Really? In what circumstances?
Not that I wouldn't if I needed to, but I've Been in some pretty dodgy situations and yet to think a gun would have been a better solution. "
I was in the Forces. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Jesus !! To think some of you meet people off here and we invite some into our house. No wonder no one swings anymore your all not jobs chatting this kinda shit! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question.
(Yes watching Eastenders while eating tea, i know its fiction)
Would you shoot someone to protect your flesh and blood.
Not looking for reasons, not bothered if its right or wrong
Just yes or no."
I don't have a gun but I certainly would protect |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car) "
Fired a gun many times. SA80, LSW, GPMG and browning 9mm although been quite a while now.
Never killed an animal as they've never tried to hurt me or my family. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car)
Fired a gun many times. SA80, LSW, GPMG and browning 9mm although been quite a while now.
Never killed an animal as they've never tried to hurt me or my family. "
I've fired these, as well as AK47, bren, and Lee Enfield no4 .303.
I would shoot to protect my family. No doubts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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On my way home one night there was a badger trying to crawl up the verge. It had clearly been hit by a car and had a broken back. I had my tools in the boot so I used my hammer to put it out of its misery. As I hit it I had tears in my eyes, but I couldn't bare to leave it suffering, It could have been in pain for hours. I felt miserable all evening. I hope I never have to kill anything again. I'd like to think I would do my best to protect anyone that was in trouble, specially loved ones. I hope I could do that with out having to kill but, if it was the only available option...yes I would shoot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question.
(Yes watching Eastenders while eating tea, i know its fiction)
Would you shoot someone to protect your flesh and blood.
Not looking for reasons, not bothered if its right or wrong
Just yes or no."
Ben has said for years its why we need a 2nd amendment in the UK. The only ones with the weapons are the ones breaking in. |
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"What a load of criminals on here, good thread tho, me personally i wouldn't only because once i am caught im going jail and then i have lost my loved ones, would have to leave it to the crappy law "
Well that’s where you are wrong. The law states that any person can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others. What is reasonable depends on the level of threat. Killing somebody under a life and death situation is reasonable so nobody is going to jail. It’s all about justification of your actions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car) "
I’ve fired a gun but I’ve never killed an animal because I’m not an animal killing kind of guy. But if that animal was charging at my family in order to eat them then I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot it. |
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Yes.
However you have to make sure that you shoot them in the front not the back of the body.
If you shoot them in the back of the body it can be construed that they were leaving and then you can be done for murder as opposed to claiming self defense.
I think..
Ms GR |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes.
However you have to make sure that you shoot them in the front not the back of the body.
If you shoot them in the back of the body it can be construed that they were leaving and then you can be done for murder as opposed to claiming self defense.
I think..
Ms GR "
Correct. As per the old guy years ago, Tony something I think. Shot a burglar in the back with a shotgun as he was running away from his house. As the burglar was running away the threat was gone hence his prison sentence. Many others since have killed burglars in their homes and not got as far as court. They are arrested and interviewed which is the only way to establish the facts in an evidential manner, then the cps review it and say no charge. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes.
However you have to make sure that you shoot them in the front not the back of the body.
If you shoot them in the back of the body it can be construed that they were leaving and then you can be done for murder as opposed to claiming self defense.
I think..
Ms GR
Correct. As per the old guy years ago, Tony something I think. Shot a burglar in the back with a shotgun as he was running away from his house. As the burglar was running away the threat was gone hence his prison sentence. Many others since have killed burglars in their homes and not got as far as court. They are arrested and interviewed which is the only way to establish the facts in an evidential manner, then the cps review it and say no charge. "
Tony Martin the guy was called. |
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"Think I would prefer a club, or a sword to a gun, much easier to be sub lethal. Though it does depend on the gun and skill of the operator.
But yes in my life I have fired a variety of guns, could be proficient with them, but pleased to live in a country where I don't have or need access to one."
Dead is dead, the means is immaterial but a gun, which was the subject of the original question, is by far the best option.
It's academic anyway, because it's illegal to have any item with the intention that it will be used for self defence/causing harm or injury. The only exception is where you might grab something to hand in the heat of the moment and use it in self defence. Perfectly legal and justifiable but you must have the honestly held belief that you or another you are defending are in immediate threat of serious injury or death. That's the tricky but when it comes to court. |
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"What a load of criminals on here, good thread tho, me personally i wouldn't only because once i am caught im going jail and then i have lost my loved ones, would have to leave it to the crappy law
Well that’s where you are wrong. The law states that any person can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others. What is reasonable depends on the level of threat. Killing somebody under a life and death situation is reasonable so nobody is going to jail. It’s all about justification of your actions. "
Okay reasonable force im sure they would need to have a gun aswell, because if they dont have any weapon and you shoot them your going jail mate, the other thing is living with the continuing thought of killing someone. |
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"What a load of criminals on here, good thread tho, me personally i wouldn't only because once i am caught im going jail and then i have lost my loved ones, would have to leave it to the crappy law
Well that’s where you are wrong. The law states that any person can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others. What is reasonable depends on the level of threat. Killing somebody under a life and death situation is reasonable so nobody is going to jail. It’s all about justification of your actions.
Okay reasonable force im sure they would need to have a gun aswell, because if they dont have any weapon and you shoot them your going jail mate, the other thing is living with the continuing thought of killing someone."
No, it's not about equality of force, it's about reasonable force. If you are being attacked by a man mountain using his bare hands but intent on killing you, and you are 8 stone dripping wet, but have a gun, using that gun in self defence is reasonable. |
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"Very true, just make sure you have a licensed gun and certificates then."
As I said. It's illegal to have any item with the intent to use it that way, including lawfully licensed firearms. The odds of you being able to get it out, load it and use it in a spontaneous attack are pretty remote. There have been incidents where lawfully held firearms have been used in self defence, but they are rare. |
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"Think I would prefer a club, or a sword to a gun, much easier to be sub lethal. Though it does depend on the gun and skill of the operator.
But yes in my life I have fired a variety of guns, could be proficient with them, but pleased to live in a country where I don't have or need access to one.
Dead is dead, the means is immaterial but a gun, which was the subject of the original question, is by far the best option.
It's academic anyway, because it's illegal to have any item with the intention that it will be used for self defence/causing harm or injury. The only exception is where you might grab something to hand in the heat of the moment and use it in self defence. Perfectly legal and justifiable but you must have the honestly held belief that you or another you are defending are in immediate threat of serious injury or death. That's the tricky but when it comes to court."
That’s true but no court in the land can say what you did or didn’t believe at any given time. If you stick to the story that you honestly believed you or another were in serious danger you’d be alright. It wouldn’t get as far as court unless there was other evidence which proved you are lying or exaggerating. Reasonable force is a grey area tho, there’s no legal definition so each case is tested on its own merits. |
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car)
Fired a gun many times. SA80, LSW, GPMG and browning 9mm although been quite a while now.
Never killed an animal as they've never tried to hurt me or my family. "
I've fired those barring the Browning (we have Glock now) and also the 50 cal HMG which is a lot of fun on ranges! Growing up on a farm I had access to shotguns and air rifles as a teenager so did used to shoot rats, rabbits and Starlings as pest control for my dad, but haven't done any of that in about 15 years. |
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"Very true, just make sure you have a licensed gun and certificates then.
As I said. It's illegal to have any item with the intent to use it that way, including lawfully licensed firearms. The odds of you being able to get it out, load it and use it in a spontaneous attack are pretty remote. There have been incidents where lawfully held firearms have been used in self defence, but they are rare."
Intent can be difficult to prove and some items are far too easy for some to possess. It baffled me completely when I first started training with a sword that the company I bought mine from could only sell me a blunt modern replica if I produced certificates and licenses from a registered club confirming I was using it to practice martial arts but could sell me a razor sharp Katana if it was made using traditional methods with out any checks whatsoever. I hope that law has been sorted out!
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"Think I would prefer a club, or a sword to a gun, much easier to be sub lethal. Though it does depend on the gun and skill of the operator.
But yes in my life I have fired a variety of guns, could be proficient with them, but pleased to live in a country where I don't have or need access to one.
Dead is dead, the means is immaterial but a gun, which was the subject of the original question, is by far the best option.
It's academic anyway, because it's illegal to have any item with the intention that it will be used for self defence/causing harm or injury. The only exception is where you might grab something to hand in the heat of the moment and use it in self defence. Perfectly legal and justifiable but you must have the honestly held belief that you or another you are defending are in immediate threat of serious injury or death. That's the tricky but when it comes to court.
That’s true but no court in the land can say what you did or didn’t believe at any given time. If you stick to the story that you honestly believed you or another were in serious danger you’d be alright. It wouldn’t get as far as court unless there was other evidence which proved you are lying or exaggerating. Reasonable force is a grey area tho, there’s no legal definition so each case is tested on its own merits."
Granted, a lot depends on the presentation at court though. It is heartening to see a general trend in favour of the person doing the defending, even if they have used a gun against a non gun threat. There used to be a presumption that a gun was not acceptable as a means of defence. |
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No.
Or at least I wouldn't shoot to kill. I have fired both handguns and rifles (at targets).
I'd be of the mindset to hide them and call the police.
I did once chase after a mugger to try and get my bag bag (at midnight and he was over a foot taller than me). |
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"How many people who said yes have ever fired a gun or ever killed a living animal? (not including insects or hit with a car) "
The thing is the person you are shooting to hopefully kill, has lost your respect and is threatening you and your family.
It is quite easy to shoot a stranger, there is very little emotional attachment. |
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