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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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So watched the documentary last night, nothing new except the phone calls, didn’t really know about them..
I felt the program lead you in a certain direction to give credence in a theory they presented.
What are your thoughts about this horrible crime now? |
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over a year ago
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Was tragic at the time. It is horrible when serious crimes go unsolved.
There are quite a few high profile ones still and given the amount of time involved, they will all remain unsolved unless someone stops hiding the people that have done it.
But from what I have seen and read, a lot of the unsolved ones ate due to mistakes or assumptions early in an investigation. |
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"Was tragic at the time. It is horrible when serious crimes go unsolved.
There are quite a few high profile ones still and given the amount of time involved, they will all remain unsolved unless someone stops hiding the people that have done it.
But from what I have seen and read, a lot of the unsolved ones ate due to mistakes or assumptions early in an investigation. "
There was 21 in one night in Birmingham in 1974 that nobody seems too keen on bringing anyone to justice for. If solving a crime doesn't suit the higher echelons of society, it's not going to happen.
justice4the21.co.uk |
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"Was tragic at the time. It is horrible when serious crimes go unsolved.
There are quite a few high profile ones still and given the amount of time involved, they will all remain unsolved unless someone stops hiding the people that have done it.
But from what I have seen and read, a lot of the unsolved ones ate due to mistakes or assumptions early in an investigation.
There was 21 in one night in Birmingham in 1974 that nobody seems too keen on bringing anyone to justice for. If solving a crime doesn't suit the higher echelons of society, it's not going to happen.
justice4the21.co.uk"
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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"Was tragic at the time. It is horrible when serious crimes go unsolved.
There are quite a few high profile ones still and given the amount of time involved, they will all remain unsolved unless someone stops hiding the people that have done it.
But from what I have seen and read, a lot of the unsolved ones ate due to mistakes or assumptions early in an investigation.
There was 21 in one night in Birmingham in 1974 that nobody seems too keen on bringing anyone to justice for. If solving a crime doesn't suit the higher echelons of society, it's not going to happen.
justice4the21.co.uk"
I only bought it up due to last night documentary |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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"I was surprised that the theory involved a contract killing  wow!
The BBC missed safety of their journalists by a long chalk! Seems she was on several radars "
. I have always believed it was a contract killing.For many years she presented crimewatch a program that lead to the arrest and conviction of many criminals some of which were organised crime.My thoughts have always been that some heavyweight criminals ordered a execution which is what a bullet to the head. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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Was more balanced than the BBC doc on her anniversary anyway
That cop that led the investigation was totally incompetent and was allowed insinuate on BBC that George done it and he brought the right person to court
Barry George being denied compensation is criminal
"He didn't prove his innocence" enough for compo
The treatment of an innocent man by the British justice system is way more shocking than the murder
Btw every far fetched avenue was explored on these TV shows except the most obvious.and most common for any murder.
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Scapegoats have always been easy to find. The sad thing is that high profile people are at great risk and many people are given far too easy access to platforms that incite hatred. The high number of female politicians who suffer disgusting threats highlights this, especially in the aftermath of Jo Cox. Our media are often complicit in stoking hatred too. Beware of being manipulated against others who may seem misfits to you, as well as many populist agendas that work for the few, instead of our general wellbeing. Cases that have awful elements also remind us that we are better off without the death penalty, as the mob would happily see people sent to suffer or impose anything themselves as vigilantes. |
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"I was surprised that the theory involved a contract killing wow!
The BBC missed safety of their journalists by a long chalk! Seems she was on several radars . I have always believed it was a contract killing.For many years she presented crimewatch a program that lead to the arrest and conviction of many criminals some of which were organised crime.My thoughts have always been that some heavyweight criminals ordered a execution which is what a bullet to the head."
There is no logic to this. Gill Dando was a T.V. presenter/reporter.
Gill Dando was NOT a private detective. An undercover member of a police force.
Do you really think that anything Gill Dando knew would die with her ? If she was killed then someone else would report their findings.
She wasn't a mystic oracle. Just a reporter. |
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"Jill was about to open a can of worms and was silenced...
Yep....open a can of worms on some very powerful people...got bumped off when one of her “best friends” got wind of it "
Holds no water whatsoever. |
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"Jill was about to open a can of worms and was silenced...
Yep....open a can of worms on some very powerful people...got bumped off when one of her “best friends” got wind of it
Holds no water whatsoever. "
Why’s that then?? |
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"Jill was about to open a can of worms and was silenced...
Yep....open a can of worms on some very powerful people...got bumped off when one of her “best friends” got wind of it
Holds no water whatsoever.
Why’s that then??"
See above.
Gill Dando was a t.v. reporter. She didn't get first hand info. ........ jeez |
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"Jill was about to open a can of worms and was silenced...
Yep....open a can of worms on some very powerful people...got bumped off when one of her “best friends” got wind of it
Holds no water whatsoever.
Why’s that then??
See above.
Gill Dando was a t.v. reporter. She didn't get first hand info. ........ jeez "
She had info of a peado ring at the BBC...it was an open secret back then....even Ester Ranzson,founder of childline done nothing about it!!
It’s all just speculation obviously,same as anything about this case,but her “best friend”,a known visiter to underage brothels,and a member of this ring,unbeknown to Jill,was interviewed extensively several times about her murder,her other close friends were not subject to such close scrutiny.
Also Jill will of been in the studio most of the day with calls coming in....pretty much first hand info right there
Let’s agree to disagree cos no one is ever going to know for sure what happened |
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There's a reason people ask to agree to disagree and it's usually when their argument holds no water.
At the time of her death she had just recorded a series of of Antiques Roadshow so maybe the Grandfather Clock did it ....
IF... she knew about a pedo ring which was an OPEN SECRET..... OPEN.... there was no need to kill her. Or maybe EVERYONE that knew the OPEN secret should have been killed.....
No logic no reasoning.
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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"I was surprised that the theory involved a contract killing wow!
The BBC missed safety of their journalists by a long chalk! Seems she was on several radars . I have always believed it was a contract killing.For many years she presented crimewatch a program that lead to the arrest and conviction of many criminals some of which were organised crime.My thoughts have always been that some heavyweight criminals ordered a execution which is what a bullet to the head.
There is no logic to this. Gill Dando was a T.V. presenter/reporter.
Gill Dando was NOT a private detective. An undercover member of a police force.
Do you really think that anything Gill Dando knew would die with her ? If she was killed then someone else would report their findings.
She wasn't a mystic oracle. Just a reporter. "
. Jill Dando was the face of Crimewatch during the years she presented it a lot of organised crime gangs were sentenced to lengthy prison terms UK gangs as well as Eastern European gangs.My thoughts have always been that a contact was taken out on her the bullet to the head is a professional hit. |
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"I was surprised that the theory involved a contract killing wow!
The BBC missed safety of their journalists by a long chalk! Seems she was on several radars . I have always believed it was a contract killing.For many years she presented crimewatch a program that lead to the arrest and conviction of many criminals some of which were organised crime.My thoughts have always been that some heavyweight criminals ordered a execution which is what a bullet to the head.
There is no logic to this. Gill Dando was a T.V. presenter/reporter.
Gill Dando was NOT a private detective. An undercover member of a police force.
Do you really think that anything Gill Dando knew would die with her ? If she was killed then someone else would report their findings.
She wasn't a mystic oracle. Just a reporter. . Jill Dando was the face of Crimewatch during the years she presented it a lot of organised crime gangs were sentenced to lengthy prison terms UK gangs as well as Eastern European gangs.My thoughts have always been that a contact was taken out on her the bullet to the head is a professional hit."
While I wouldn't want to begin to speculate on the reasons the killing was not the work of an amateur and that makes Barry George's conviction all the more ridiculous but the police were always going to take whatever they could get in such a high profile case. The fact that so many years on their have been no subsequent arrests only adds fuel to my belief that this was a professional hit. |
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"There's a reason people ask to agree to disagree and it's usually when their argument holds no water.
At the time of her death she had just recorded a series of of Antiques Roadshow so maybe the Grandfather Clock did it ....
IF... she knew about a pedo ring which was an OPEN SECRET..... OPEN.... there was no need to kill her. Or maybe EVERYONE that knew the OPEN secret should have been killed.....
No logic no reasoning.
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Nah the reason I said we will agree to disagree is that I can’t be arsed to argue a point I’m not that fussed about with a grannie with blinkers on....the reason she was killed is that she was going to EXPOSE the ring.....and if you want to do some research yourself and open your eyes to the whole thing there are several BBC personalities or people that have worked with Jill’s “best friend” that have died in mysterious circumstances since Saville was outted |
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"P.S. I think you've just libelled Esther Rantzen too. "
PS....nah don’t think I did....she is on record as admitting hearing rumours all over the place...BBC,music industry,Fleet st,NHS....and doing nothing about it....don’t know about you but if I got the first hint of anything like this going on I’d be shouting it from the rooftops....shortly before I was bumped off myself obviously!! |
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"Jill was about to open a can of worms and was silenced...
Yep....open a can of worms on some very powerful people...got bumped off when one of her “best friends” got wind of it
Holds no water whatsoever.
Why’s that then??
See above.
Gill Dando was a t.v. reporter. She didn't get first hand info. ........ jeez "
Oh and Jill Dando was a journalist not just a TV reporter as you put it....journalists have been known to investigate things you know? |
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"And Savile wasn't even the top of the iceberg....Check out his circle of friends."
He was deffo up there but your right he wasn’t top of the tree....but what he did have is influence and access to children,vulnerable youngsters and hospitals....he had keys to broadmoor and more!!how this went on for so long I will never understand |
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"There's a reason people ask to agree to disagree and it's usually when their argument holds no water.
At the time of her death she had just recorded a series of of Antiques Roadshow so maybe the Grandfather Clock did it ....
IF... she knew about a pedo ring which was an OPEN SECRET..... OPEN.... there was no need to kill her. Or maybe EVERYONE that knew the OPEN secret should have been killed.....
No logic no reasoning.
Nah the reason I said we will agree to disagree is that I can’t be arsed to argue a point I’m not that fussed about with a grannie with blinkers on....the reason she was killed is that she was going to EXPOSE the ring.....and if you want to do some research yourself and open your eyes to the whole thing there are several BBC personalities or people that have worked with Jill’s “best friend” that have died in mysterious circumstances since Saville was outted "
You are fussed about it. That's plain. Leave the insults out. It doesn't strengthen a weak argument.
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"There's a reason people ask to agree to disagree and it's usually when their argument holds no water.
At the time of her death she had just recorded a series of of Antiques Roadshow so maybe the Grandfather Clock did it ....
IF... she knew about a pedo ring which was an OPEN SECRET..... OPEN.... there was no need to kill her. Or maybe EVERYONE that knew the OPEN secret should have been killed.....
No logic no reasoning.
Nah the reason I said we will agree to disagree is that I can’t be arsed to argue a point I’m not that fussed about with a grannie with blinkers on....the reason she was killed is that she was going to EXPOSE the ring.....and if you want to do some research yourself and open your eyes to the whole thing there are several BBC personalities or people that have worked with Jill’s “best friend” that have died in mysterious circumstances since Saville was outted
You are fussed about it. That's plain. Leave the insults out. It doesn't strengthen a weak argument.
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Where is the insult??is the name you gave yourself an insult to yourself?
And you say my argument holds no water but your yet to come up with an argument for your case..... |
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"And Savile wasn't even the top of the iceberg....Check out his circle of friends.
He was deffo up there but your right he wasn’t top of the tree....but what he did have is influence and access to children,vulnerable youngsters and hospitals....he had keys to broadmoor and more!!how this went on for so long I will never understand "
And this I believe,,was what Jill was going to expose. |
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"And Savile wasn't even the top of the iceberg....Check out his circle of friends.
He was deffo up there but your right he wasn’t top of the tree....but what he did have is influence and access to children,vulnerable youngsters and hospitals....he had keys to broadmoor and more!!how this went on for so long I will never understand
And this I believe,,was what Jill was going to expose."
Yep....it had been going on for years and a lot of people knew but she told the wrong person....maybe on a summer holiday....what she was planning |
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If an employee was commissioned to develop material upon criminal activities, isn't it likely that their employer and/or the police would have traceable records of this? As media organizations would generally have multiple staff involved in what are complex investments, they'd almost certainly have contingency plans, to ensure their investments were protected.
If there were apparently many employees who knew of illegal activities, it would also have been something that many would have been able to and wanted, to take over, should the star have been lost.
Unless a celebrity had personally directed a TV show to pursue and direct police activities against criminals, it also appears suspect that convicted criminals would undertake or commission a murder.
Who are the likely killers of most celebrities and/or women and why? Those with an obsession, male, spurned, etc? The idea of a conspiracy theory may appear exciting to some but it's probably the more likely explanations that are relevant instead.
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"If an employee was commissioned to develop material upon criminal activities, isn't it likely that their employer and/or the police would have traceable records of this? As media organizations would generally have multiple staff involved in what are complex investments, they'd almost certainly have contingency plans, to ensure their investments were protected.
If there were apparently many employees who knew of illegal activities, it would also have been something that many would have been able to and wanted, to take over, should the star have been lost.
Unless a celebrity had personally directed a TV show to pursue and direct police activities against criminals, it also appears suspect that convicted criminals would undertake or commission a murder.
Who are the likely killers of most celebrities and/or women and why? Those with an obsession, male, spurned, etc? The idea of a conspiracy theory may appear exciting to some but it's probably the more likely explanations that are relevant instead.
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That depends on how high this ring went I suppose....I think it went,and still does,go as high as royalty.....Diana is on record as saying saville was Charles mentor....who knows wha that could mean??
Also Ester ranzon was a massive star back in the day but never spoke a word about this until it all came public....whose to say the call handlers and anyone else didn’t fear,or were threatened with their lives
Again....i know fuck all....like anyone...but it’s what I believe |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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I don't know enough about this to say much, except it was totally wrong what they did to Barry George. I never believed he did it.
Richard D Hall thinks it's something to do with the David Copeland nail bombs in 1999, but that didn't particularly resonate with me.
I don't know enough except the killer is still free. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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A thread full of utter shite and little mention of the bigger crime,the treatment of a vulnerable innocent man by the state
You do realise that if they could do it to him,and there have been countless others,that they could do it to you or yours |
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If she had a new job/TV show to investigate BBC sex, the rest of the programme crew would have been interviewed etc. There was no show.
She would also have had official interaction with the police on the subject, if working on it. Or if she was just sickened by it, she would have made crime reports to the police.
If she wasn't working on a Saville show, didn't report it to the police, she was just another BBC employee who knew of the secrets that apparently they all did. As such, she was no greater threat to anyone than hundreds of others.
Those theories thus seem extremely improbable. Hit men don't get hired to kill people of no risk
Put Occams razor to work
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I was told by a lifer in Hmp moorlands that it was an Irish traveler who carried out a contract hit on her. She was about to blow the lid on the BBC/political paedo rings apparently. Doubt we'll ever know the truth |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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"A thread full of utter shite and little mention of the bigger crime,the treatment of a vulnerable innocent man by the state
You do realise that if they could do it to him,and there have been countless others,that they could do it to you or yours"
. Not total shite but yes the treatment of Barry George a vulnerable innocent man had been forgotten in all this and I for one would like to apologise for not mentioning this is my previous posts on this thread |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Was the Serb hitman theory still in there?
Barry George also started stalking Kay Burley after she'd interviewed him in sky shortly after his prison release. |
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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"I was told by a lifer in Hmp moorlands that it was an Irish traveler who carried out a contract hit on her. She was about to blow the lid on the BBC/political paedo rings apparently. Doubt we'll ever know the truth "
Yeh it’s a tenuous link if best |
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