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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No, not a profile who describes them as one (really doesnt phase ne).
But rather, people who actually know what they're talking about. Expert knowledge, scientists, experience in a field.
What subjects do you hear others give opinions on, that you feel should really be left alone to professional people? |
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Law! I’m a lawyer and it is absolutely frightening how many people think they know the law and have an opinion that they present as fact especially when offering advice to others and they are completely wrong |
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Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts |
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Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact. |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts "
Interesting idea but who decides which questions should be left to experts? And how does one define an expert? |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
Interesting idea but who decides which questions should be left to experts? And how does one define an expert?"
Good point!
expert skill or knowledge in a particular field, is the definition I found.
I guess some have opinions based on no experience, whereas others have studied, researched and worked in those fields? |
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Of late 'proffessionals' seem to talk the agenda game far too much. They rarely ask the right questions and always give the answers they want you to believe. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Of late 'proffessionals' seem to talk the agenda game far too much. They rarely ask the right questions and always give the answers they want you to believe."
Which subjects are you referring to? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Of late 'proffessionals' seem to talk the agenda game far too much. They rarely ask the right questions and always give the answers they want you to believe.
Which subjects are you referring to? "
Are you sure that's the right question to ask?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Of late 'proffessionals' seem to talk the agenda game far too much. They rarely ask the right questions and always give the answers they want you to believe.
Which subjects are you referring to?
Are you sure that's the right question to ask? "
 another good point! |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
Interesting idea but who decides which questions should be left to experts? And how does one define an expert?
Good point!
expert skill or knowledge in a particular field, is the definition I found.
I guess some have opinions based on no experience, whereas others have studied, researched and worked in those fields? "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Colon advice.
You are what you eat and that kind of shit. The friend of the best friend of my cousin Peter is a proctologist and he told me that was shit. |
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
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Plenty of professional liars, connmen and fraudsters around.
You can get plenty of advice and opinions of all sorts from people who seem to know everything about everything.
Its usually free and its worth the same.
Well thats my professional opinion (free) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact. "
How do you know they are googling it and not experts? Some might be. |
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"Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact. "
There I feel you illustrate the nuances
Even if facts are valid understanding them, their consequences
within complex context is something completely differant |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts "
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious"
Most yes except the rich selfish ones they knew exactly what they were doing |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts "
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious
Most yes except the rich selfish ones they knew exactly what they were doing "
The same export bodies and institutions are saying that Labour's and JC manifesto and promises are economically unsustainable or viable, that he can't possible achieve his ambitions by taxing the so called rich 5% and likely plunge us into debt that will take decades to recover from unless he raises taxes on everyone. Or do their expert opinions not count for anything in this argument and conveniently ignored.
People love quoting so experts when it suits, ignoring them when it doesn't
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious
Most yes except the rich selfish ones they knew exactly what they were doing
The same export bodies and institutions are saying that Labour's and JC manifesto and promises are economically unsustainable or viable, that he can't possible achieve his ambitions by taxing the so called rich 5% and likely plunge us into debt that will take decades to recover from unless he raises taxes on everyone. Or do their expert opinions not count for anything in this argument and conveniently ignored.
People love quoting so experts when it suits, ignoring them when it doesn't
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Erm you write this for what purpose I think their assessment of labour spending is correct
Both lab and con have pure fantasy as manifestos
Let's be blunt a proportion of voters do not have the wit or inclination to evaluate and understand simple finance agreements let alone the UK's entanglement with the EU
And let's be double triple clear
Remain voters are not all left wing supporters
And leave voters are not all right wing
That either an idiotic assessment or a malevolent misrepresentation |
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"Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact. "
as long as title and a bit of abstract fits..  |
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"Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact.
How do you know they are googling it and not experts? Some might be. "
A scientist wouldn't just paste a link to an abstract that doesn't explain its methodologies or conclusions. Or from a very low ranking journal for example. Both examples I have seen and I've explained that this isn't the way to win an discussion. |
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"Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact.
There I feel you illustrate the nuances
Even if facts are valid understanding them, their consequences
within complex context is something completely differant"
Yes exactly with scientists for example we only reference those who agree with us, so often our work is biased. So one article source shouldn't be taken as fact |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious
Most yes except the rich selfish ones they knew exactly what they were doing
The same export bodies and institutions are saying that Labour's and JC manifesto and promises are economically unsustainable or viable, that he can't possible achieve his ambitions by taxing the so called rich 5% and likely plunge us into debt that will take decades to recover from unless he raises taxes on everyone. Or do their expert opinions not count for anything in this argument and conveniently ignored.
People love quoting so experts when it suits, ignoring them when it doesn't
Erm you write this for what purpose I think their assessment of labour spending is correct
Both lab and con have pure fantasy as manifestos
Let's be blunt a proportion of voters do not have the wit or inclination to evaluate and understand simple finance agreements let alone the UK's entanglement with the EU
And let's be double triple clear
Remain voters are not all left wing supporters
And leave voters are not all right wing
That either an idiotic assessment or a malevolent misrepresentation "
Not really in your statement you basically and I queried your statement about the so called intelligence or lack of intelligence of leave voters, it was a very Tony Blair statement. I was simply siting an example of where people a conveniently using or ignoring these expert bodies for their own arguments. The simple fact is that many leave voters did so for many different reasons and many new there would be financial implications in doing so but in their decisions weighed up the pros and cons and made their decision, and i'm sure many did not make the decision out of ignorance or lack of knowledge. But the remain camp have been trying so hard to convince people they were mislead by the Brexiters, so the decision was made by 17.2 million voters and not by a few selfish rich people who knew what they were doing but 17.2 million voter who also knew what they were doing |
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The 17.2 million didn't know what they were doing. They believed the lies on the bus about the NHS funding. They didn't listen to every single ex British prime minister who all said vote remain, to the vast majority of world leaders and to the 93% of economists who said Brexit would leave Britain worse off. How did they think they knew better than all these professionals ? |
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"The 17.2 million didn't know what they were doing. They believed the lies on the bus about the NHS funding. They didn't listen to every single ex British prime minister who all said vote remain, to the vast majority of world leaders and to the 93% of economists who said Brexit would leave Britain worse off. How did they think they knew better than all these professionals ?"
The majority of these people have a vested interest in staying in the EU, the economists are London based and voted extensively to remain because it was in their interest to do so, 9 out 11 supreme court judges who judged PM on closing parliament were remainers, their judgment was biased, the Scottish judges who initiated the judgement were pro remain. The EU were worried and still are about the impact UK leaving, e.g. over 50% of german cars are exported to the UK, threatens over 100,000 german jobs, and the break up of the EU, those are just a few. Of course they want us to stay not because would be bad for Briton but out of their own self interest. The thing about the bus is is just remain propaganda just a dog with a bone. The remain camp are just as guilty of lying to the population as they accuse the brexitiers of and still doing it. So who are the more ignorant the ones who look at the whole picture and make an informed decision or those who believe these so called experts etc who have their own self interests in staying in the EU who's opinions are biased |
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"For what reason do you consider the judges to be biased ?"
They had no business being involved in politics up until this point have vehemently been committed to staying outside of politics and by not doing so they have set a dangerous president. John Bercow as speaker of the house is supposed to be neutral, but as a pro remainer he used his position to continually derail the Brexit process. The judges got involved with politics to use their positions and pro remain view to influence politics, they will say they acted on behalf of the people - which people the minority remain camp? Certainly didn't reflect the will of 17.2 million who voted to leave.
All this Brexit has done has cause more missery, more and deeper divisions, Political parties keep saying their are doing what's best for Britain and their trying to thwart Brexit or stop it is doing more damage to the economy that Brexit could do. More small and medium businesses are folding, people loosing their jobs while these children, Bremoaners/politicians squabble in the sandpit than leaving EU would do and the longer it goes on the worse it will get |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious
Most yes except the rich selfish ones they knew exactly what they were doing
The same export bodies and institutions are saying that Labour's and JC manifesto and promises are economically unsustainable or viable, that he can't possible achieve his ambitions by taxing the so called rich 5% and likely plunge us into debt that will take decades to recover from unless he raises taxes on everyone. Or do their expert opinions not count for anything in this argument and conveniently ignored.
People love quoting so experts when it suits, ignoring them when it doesn't
Erm you write this for what purpose I think their assessment of labour spending is correct
Both lab and con have pure fantasy as manifestos
Let's be blunt a proportion of voters do not have the wit or inclination to evaluate and understand simple finance agreements let alone the UK's entanglement with the EU
And let's be double triple clear
Remain voters are not all left wing supporters
And leave voters are not all right wing
That either an idiotic assessment or a malevolent misrepresentation "
Totally agree with this. My point was leave it experts on the subject. MPs arnt experts on fiscal rules and exporting goods within or without the Europe. Most, tho not all have never ran a company so have no clue, that is both labour and Tory |
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"Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact. "
Here here |
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The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
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"Am an actual medical scientist, and it drives me demented the amount of people who Google scientific content and paste it here. It has taken me years and a higher education to understand the literature, just because a scientist with a PhD has written it doesn't make it fact.
as long as title and a bit of abstract fits.. "
Yeah just paste without reading it, because the title suited your side of the debate |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
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Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit. |
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The whole point of the comments and post is, leave it to the experts!!! Which experts? In the Brexit case is it the experts that are pro remain or the experts that are pro leave. All have their own invested interests so how can we leave it to those expert opinion is biased one way or another.
The real kicker that remain camp people are saying that people who voted to leave are ill-informed and ignorant, mislead and foolish.
The irony is all the pro remain parties are saying take it to the people, second referendum . Which people? The ignorant, ill-informed people who voted to leave or the clever, intelligent, well informed people that voted to remain? |
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
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15yrs ago i watched a consultant / surgen searching google for information on a condition that another doctor had diagnosed.
He hadnt a clue about the condition and couldnt find anything on google either yet i had already downloaded a pile of info from google.
But because he was the professional expert and you look up to these people and treat them with the greatest of respect, i hadnt the heart to say that i already had found info on google and knew about the condition.
So he done what all bull shiters do best and he just bluffed his way with big words but thank fuk i had the sense not be letting him get at me with a knife.
I think that was the day my eyes opened up fully. |
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15yrs ago i watched a consultant / surgen searching google for information on a condition that another doctor had diagnosed.
He hadnt a clue about the condition and couldnt find anything on google either yet i had already downloaded a pile of info from google.
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If you already knew all about the condition, why did you bother going to see the consultant ? Also, how come you were able to find out about it on Google when he couldn't ? |
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"Brexit. Sorry to say the B word but when industry heads, professional bodies such as institution for fiscal studies etc all tell us we will be worse off why are we letting ppl with no knowledge vote and decide. Leave it to the experts
So your saying that people who voted to leave did so with no knowledge? No understanding and did so blindly? Just curious
Most yes except the rich selfish ones they knew exactly what they were doing
The same export bodies and institutions are saying that Labour's and JC manifesto and promises are economically unsustainable or viable, that he can't possible achieve his ambitions by taxing the so called rich 5% and likely plunge us into debt that will take decades to recover from unless he raises taxes on everyone. Or do their expert opinions not count for anything in this argument and conveniently ignored.
People love quoting so experts when it suits, ignoring them when it doesn't
Erm you write this for what purpose I think their assessment of labour spending is correct
Both lab and con have pure fantasy as manifestos
Let's be blunt a proportion of voters do not have the wit or inclination to evaluate and understand simple finance agreements let alone the UK's entanglement with the EU
And let's be double triple clear
Remain voters are not all left wing supporters
And leave voters are not all right wing
That either an idiotic assessment or a malevolent misrepresentation
Not really in your statement you basically and I queried your statement about the so called intelligence or lack of intelligence of leave voters, it was a very Tony Blair statement. I was simply siting an example of where people a conveniently using or ignoring these expert bodies for their own arguments. The simple fact is that many leave voters did so for many different reasons and many new there would be financial implications in doing so but in their decisions weighed up the pros and cons and made their decision, and i'm sure many did not make the decision out of ignorance or lack of knowledge. But the remain camp have been trying so hard to convince people they were mislead by the Brexiters, so the decision was made by 17.2 million voters and not by a few selfish rich people who knew what they were doing but 17.2 million voter who also knew what they were doing "
Good good you clearly displayed you did not fully read or understand my first statement
It clearly stated
Let's be blunt a proportion of voters do not have the wit or inclination to evaluate and understand simple finance agreements let alone the UK's entanglement with the EU
I wrote voters not leave not remain
My fact remains
a proportion of voters do not have the wit or inclination to evaluate and understand simple finance agreements let alone the UK's entanglement with the EU
How that fact should be used I dont comment but let's say I dont think despite the fact, voting rights should be withdrawn
However I do think knowing a population will not understand means a vastly more intelligent or well thought out question would have been appropriate or the result gained from a nonsensical one treated with the contempt it deserves
But thanks for illustrating how distortion of what is actually said or meant occurs
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
Derry |
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15yrs ago i watched a consultant / surgen searching google for information on a condition that another doctor had diagnosed.
He hadnt a clue about the condition and couldnt find anything on google either yet i had already downloaded a pile of info from google.
If you already knew all about the condition, why did you bother going to see the consultant ? Also, how come you were able to find out about it on Google when he couldn't ? "
Another consultant diagnosed the condition and i was to go back to see him 6 weeks later. I went home and done my own research.
When i went back 6 weeks later to the hospital it was a different consultant and i couldnt see the previous one.
I suppose it was the same reason for not finding anything on google as it was for not finding anything wrong with my xray either.
The same xray that the other consultant did see a problem with and showed me what was wrong.
Even when i pointed out to him on the xray where the problem was he said everything was fine and bluffed his way.
(Or tried to bluff it)
If he had been honest and said he didnt know i would have had more respect for him.
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By *ed1boxMan
over a year ago
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We are fortunate to now live in a world where information is at ones fingertip, which even with expert advice I would do my own research. This is particularly relates to my decision to vote leave the EU in the referendum after doing such research. For example successive Governments advocate creating competition in markets like energy to drive down prices. With this in mind, the EU freedom of movement has created competition for low paid employment and no surprise wages have plummeted to the minimum wage being the only wage....js |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit. "
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. "
You totally do I've had a
massive stand up arguements with gps when my youngest was severely ill. Always trust your own judgement and seek 2nd opinions if you aren't happy |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions.
You totally do I've had a
massive stand up arguements with gps when my youngest was severely ill. Always trust your own judgement and seek 2nd opinions if you aren't happy "
I have and do. It isn't always easy though.
Time and financial constraints dictate the medical advice and treatment we get I think. |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. "
I've had the same experience, but the last time I saw one and I asked questions, I was told "you don't need to know all the details". If I want to know the details about my own health or my sons, I'm going ask whether they like it or not. |
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By *ed1boxMan
over a year ago
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" wages have plummeted to the minimum wage being the only wage
So your research proved that everyone in Britain earns the minimum wage ?"
I never said everyone: And yes research informs me that lower paid workers which are a high percentage of the population have been affected by competition for jobs and as a result are paid less. |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. I've had the same experience, but the last time I saw one and I asked questions, I was told "you don't need to know all the details". If I want to know the details about my own health or my sons, I'm going ask whether they like it or not. "
It's also true that you need to know which questions to ask. |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. I've had the same experience, but the last time I saw one and I asked questions, I was told "you don't need to know all the details". If I want to know the details about my own health or my sons, I'm going ask whether they like it or not.
It's also true that you need to know which questions to ask. "
That's where it becomes difficult, I was lucky I knew what I was talking about and wasn't going to back down. My advice if you are going to use the internet use a reputable source. Make a list of questions so they can't bamboozle you |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. I've had the same experience, but the last time I saw one and I asked questions, I was told "you don't need to know all the details". If I want to know the details about my own health or my sons, I'm going ask whether they like it or not.
It's also true that you need to know which questions to ask.
That's where it becomes difficult, I was lucky I knew what I was talking about and wasn't going to back down. My advice if you are going to use the internet use a reputable source. Make a list of questions so they can't bamboozle you "
I often use the Internet for medical advice now and I can usually tell whats been published by a witch doctor and what's solid evidence based opinion. . |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. I've had the same experience, but the last time I saw one and I asked questions, I was told "you don't need to know all the details". If I want to know the details about my own health or my sons, I'm going ask whether they like it or not.
It's also true that you need to know which questions to ask. "
The way I feel now is I prefer to ask the Pharmacists about things and about medication. |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. I've had the same experience, but the last time I saw one and I asked questions, I was told "you don't need to know all the details". If I want to know the details about my own health or my sons, I'm going ask whether they like it or not.
It's also true that you need to know which questions to ask. The way I feel now is I prefer to ask the Pharmacists about things and about medication. "
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Yes, I tend to do that quite a lot now. They often have much more time |
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"The older I grow the less I trust professionals and experts except plumbers.
This was illustrated very well to me recently when I asked my gp for advice on a medical matter and he told me I might as well Google it because the information I would find there would be better than what he could give me.
Then that GP should be struck off unless he told you what website's to visit.
I had consulted him because the information given to me by another expert (a consultant) directly contradicted what I'd previously been told. I asked him for clarity on the situation. I didn't receive it.
I walked round the corner and spoke at length to a pharmacist in an independent chemist who helped me come to a more informed decision.
I have been left (not by this incident alone I might add) with a slight mistrust of medical professionals. I am aware though that they mostly know what they're talking about, you just need to ask questions. I've had the same experience, but the last time I saw one and I asked questions, I was told "you don't need to know all the details". If I want to know the details about my own health or my sons, I'm going ask whether they like it or not.
It's also true that you need to know which questions to ask. The way I feel now is I prefer to ask the Pharmacists about things and about medication. ,
Yes, I tend to do that quite a lot now. They often have much more time"
Yes, I definitely think it's a time issue like you say. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
Paisley |
What qualifies MPs to be Ministers in any given department? Many of whom have little or no experience eg Public transport, health, defence, education. Rarely are the people put in charge of government departments qualified for the role.
Yet we put our faith in their hands to run the country. |
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By *rufinWoman
over a year ago
notts |
"What qualifies MPs to be Ministers in any given department? Many of whom have little or no experience eg Public transport, health, defence, education. Rarely are the people put in charge of government departments qualified for the role.
Yet we put our faith in their hands to run the country. "
It's mostly run by career civil servants. Most businesses work that way. Idiot in charge, no clue, but looks good in a suit. Underlings on flumpence doing the hard graft. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Floorboards ! Last week i tried fixing my squeaky floor. Easy i thought. Drill and a couple of screws. Then no power. I drilled through a cable. Had to get a sparky out. Flooring up. New cable from fuse box. £ 600. Always get a professional to fix floorboards.
ps: I still squeaks.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" No, not a profile who describes them as one (really doesnt phase ne).
But rather, people who actually know what they're talking about. Expert knowledge, scientists, experience in a field.
What subjects do you hear others give opinions on, that you feel should really be left alone to professional people? "
Absolutely nothing.. if it's just opinions. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but outside of education, isn't this how we learn and grow, by debating and voicing opinions?
If I wasn't allowed to talk about history because I dont have a degree in it, I'd be pretty pissed off.
On the other hand.. I don't think there should be such a thing as a career politician. They DO need to be expert in something relevant, not just how to avoid answering a direct question or stabbing their colleagues in the back at the opportune moment.
Back to real people.. Who is to say we cant educate ourselves up to and beyond degree level in any subject we choose, without setting foot inside a University. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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" No, not a profile who describes them as one (really doesnt phase ne).
But rather, people who actually know what they're talking about. Expert knowledge, scientists, experience in a field.
What subjects do you hear others give opinions on, that you feel should really be left alone to professional people?
Absolutely nothing.. if it's just opinions. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but outside of education, isn't this how we learn and grow, by debating and voicing opinions?
If I wasn't allowed to talk about history because I dont have a degree in it, I'd be pretty pissed off.
On the other hand.. I don't think there should be such a thing as a career politician. They DO need to be expert in something relevant, not just how to avoid answering a direct question or stabbing their colleagues in the back at the opportune moment.
Back to real people.. Who is to say we cant educate ourselves up to and beyond degree level in any subject we choose, without setting foot inside a University. "
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" No, not a profile who describes them as one (really doesnt phase ne).
But rather, people who actually know what they're talking about. Expert knowledge, scientists, experience in a field.
What subjects do you hear others give opinions on, that you feel should really be left alone to professional people?
Absolutely nothing.. if it's just opinions. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but outside of education, isn't this how we learn and grow, by debating and voicing opinions?
If I wasn't allowed to talk about history because I dont have a degree in it, I'd be pretty pissed off.
On the other hand.. I don't think there should be such a thing as a career politician. They DO need to be expert in something relevant, not just how to avoid answering a direct question or stabbing their colleagues in the back at the opportune moment.
Back to real people.. Who is to say we cant educate ourselves up to and beyond degree level in any subject we choose, without setting foot inside a University. "
I agree. There must be a lot of people who have an incredible depth of knowledge on certain subjects, are able to think independently and give a balanced but original opinion on them without ever studying formally |
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By *rjimMan
over a year ago
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"Law! I’m a lawyer and it is absolutely frightening how many people think they know the law and have an opinion that they present as fact especially when offering advice to others and they are completely wrong"
And 50 % of lawyers are always wrong in court.
Worst stats of an profession.
Good job they are not building bridges !
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" No, not a profile who describes them as one (really doesnt phase ne).
But rather, people who actually know what they're talking about. Expert knowledge, scientists, experience in a field.
What subjects do you hear others give opinions on, that you feel should really be left alone to professional people?
Absolutely nothing.. if it's just opinions. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but outside of education, isn't this how we learn and grow, by debating and voicing opinions?
If I wasn't allowed to talk about history because I dont have a degree in it, I'd be pretty pissed off.
On the other hand.. I don't think there should be such a thing as a career politician. They DO need to be expert in something relevant, not just how to avoid answering a direct question or stabbing their colleagues in the back at the opportune moment.
Back to real people.. Who is to say we cant educate ourselves up to and beyond degree level in any subject we choose, without setting foot inside a University. "
Totally agree with you, though I have been to university and count myself a real person. I am constantly learning even though I graduated in 2007, and my point is that even with all that I know I know relatively little. My point was that people shouldn't trust an academic just because they have a PhD, so they shouldn't just cut and paste from the internet without doing their research. |
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" No, not a profile who describes them as one (really doesnt phase ne).
But rather, people who actually know what they're talking about. Expert knowledge, scientists, experience in a field.
What subjects do you hear others give opinions on, that you feel should really be left alone to professional people?
Absolutely nothing.. if it's just opinions. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but outside of education, isn't this how we learn and grow, by debating and voicing opinions?
If I wasn't allowed to talk about history because I dont have a degree in it, I'd be pretty pissed off.
On the other hand.. I don't think there should be such a thing as a career politician. They DO need to be expert in something relevant, not just how to avoid answering a direct question or stabbing their colleagues in the back at the opportune moment.
Back to real people.. Who is to say we cant educate ourselves up to and beyond degree level in any subject we choose, without setting foot inside a University.
Totally agree with you, though I have been to university and count myself a real person. I am constantly learning even though I graduated in 2007, and my point is that even with all that I know I know relatively little. My point was that people shouldn't trust an academic just because they have a PhD, so they shouldn't just cut and paste from the internet without doing their research."
Wise as always |
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"Medicine.... too many experts that dont even have a first aid certificate.... I blame the internet for this though xxx"
“ please don’t confuse your google search with my medical qualification “ !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Medical issues , sometimes I roll my eyes 
Same here!"
I sometimes wonder if my eyes are actually still and it's my body rolling, I feel a bit sea with it lately... |
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Law! I’m a lawyer and it is absolutely frightening how many people think they know the law and have an opinion that they present as fact especially when offering advice to others and they are completely wrong
And 50 % of lawyers are always wrong in court.
Worst stats of an profession.
Good job they are not building bridges !
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Lawyers in a court are just like actors in a play. The whole court systym is a farce of the biggest degree. Its just a charade. All the main actors dressed up in costumes and wigs...
They even talk in their own language to hoodwink and fool the other players (clients) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People offering advice on my 11 year old daughter's arthritis and telling me drugs won't help. Argghh!"
Thumbs up in agreement with your words, but also sorry she's experiencing that. Sounds distressing and painful x |
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