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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues" Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board." On a hundred grand a year...and it wasn't put out to tender. Just awarded to them...says a lot. | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. On a hundred grand a year...and it wasn't put out to tender. Just awarded to them...says a lot." Probably just an oversight. | |||
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"There is a huge difference between "don't work" and withdrawn due to "a safety issue"! " A bit dodgy on the contract though don you think? | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board." Owen Patterson isn't on the Board of Randox. He is a paid consultant. | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. Owen Patterson isn't on the Board of Randox. He is a paid consultant. " Ah well that makes it ok then... | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. On a hundred grand a year...and it wasn't put out to tender. Just awarded to them...says a lot." There have been plenty of contracts attributed to Cummings’ pals too without being put to tender. Surprisingly the Mail, the Telegraph and co don’t seem to be interested. Probably a cooncidence... | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. On a hundred grand a year...and it wasn't put out to tender. Just awarded to them...says a lot. There have been plenty of contracts attributed to Cummings’ pals too without being put to tender. Surprisingly the Mail, the Telegraph and co don’t seem to be interested. Probably a cooncidence..." Bound to be. Nothing underhand here at all. | |||
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"Who the fuck is owen patterson ? " Tory MP | |||
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"Who the fuck is owen patterson ? " Tory mp. On The board of a company whi was awarded a contract without it being put out to tender. Like everyone says .just a coincidental | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. On a hundred grand a year...and it wasn't put out to tender. Just awarded to them...says a lot. There have been plenty of contracts attributed to Cummings’ pals too without being put to tender. Surprisingly the Mail, the Telegraph and co don’t seem to be interested. Probably a cooncidence... Bound to be. Nothing underhand here at all. Good job we’re out of the corrupt EU. This country is cleaner than clean... " Aye it will be great this coming winter eh... | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. On a hundred grand a year...and it wasn't put out to tender. Just awarded to them...says a lot. There have been plenty of contracts attributed to Cummings’ pals too without being put to tender. Surprisingly the Mail, the Telegraph and co don’t seem to be interested. Probably a cooncidence... Bound to be. Nothing underhand here at all." Good job we’re out of the corrupt EU. This country is cleaner than clean...It’s so much better when corruption is British. It’s less serious. It tastes better. | |||
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"They only gave the contract to the cheapest bidder Sorry gifted to one chosen private company https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues Just a coincidence owen Patterson is on the board. On a hundred grand a year...and it wasn't put out to tender. Just awarded to them...says a lot. There have been plenty of contracts attributed to Cummings’ pals too without being put to tender. Surprisingly the Mail, the Telegraph and co don’t seem to be interested. Probably a cooncidence... Bound to be. Nothing underhand here at all. Good job we’re out of the corrupt EU. This country is cleaner than clean...It’s so much better when corruption is British. It’s less serious. It tastes better. " Just wait till we start flogging the nhs | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/procurement-policy-note-0120-responding-to-covid-19" 'with extreme urgency'....or, to our mates  | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/procurement-policy-note-0120-responding-to-covid-19 'with extreme urgency'....or, to our mates "Don’t be cynical. They were in a rush. They tried really hard to follow the normal procedure. It’s much easier to give the dosh to somebody you know. Of course our tory members here won’t see anything dodgy in this. It’s just another coincidence.  | |||
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"Would seem odd not to give a contract to a large global company, on our doorstep, capable of providing testing kit in volume and that produces more clinical diagnostic products than any other company in the world... " Yeah..why bother putting it out to tender. | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ?" Have they supplied the PPE ? | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ?" It's in the article.. | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ? Have they supplied the PPE ?" I know your a Boris fanboy but will you try and defend anything and everything this inept corrupt government do ? | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ? Have they supplied the PPE ? I know your a Boris fanboy but will you try and defend anything and everything this inept corrupt government do ? "Have the company, PestFix, with £18,000 in assets supplied the PPE? If they have, where is the corruption and ineptitude ? | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ? Have they supplied the PPE ? I know your a Boris fanboy but will you try and defend anything and everything this inept corrupt government do ?
Have the company, PestFix, with £18,000 in assets supplied the PPE?
If they have, where is the corruption and ineptitude ?"Your blind faith in Boris and his boss Dom is disturbing, | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!!" Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ? Have they supplied the PPE ? I know your a Boris fanboy but will you try and defend anything and everything this inept corrupt government do ?
Have the company, PestFix, with £18,000 in assets supplied the PPE?
If they have, where is the corruption and ineptitude ?
Your blind faith in Boris and his boss Dom is disturbing, "PestFix supplied the PPE -so where is the corruption and ineptitude? | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ? Have they supplied the PPE ? I know your a Boris fanboy but will you try and defend anything and everything this inept corrupt government do ?
Have the company, PestFix, with £18,000 in assets supplied the PPE?
If they have, where is the corruption and ineptitude ?
Your blind faith in Boris and his boss Dom is disturbing,
PestFix supplied the PPE -so where is the corruption and ineptitude?"So this is all a non story? | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ? Have they supplied the PPE ? I know your a Boris fanboy but will you try and defend anything and everything this inept corrupt government do ?
Have the company, PestFix, with £18,000 in assets supplied the PPE?
If they have, where is the corruption and ineptitude ?
Your blind faith in Boris and his boss Dom is disturbing,
PestFix supplied the PPE -so where is the corruption and ineptitude?"You obviously didn't read the article. Only half of it has appeared... | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! " And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then  | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! " Pestfix were not the only company offering to supply PPE at the time , | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then "So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both. | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! Pestfix were not the only company offering to supply PPE at the time , "They were also not the only ones chosen. | |||
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"A company with £18,000 worth of assets given a contract for 32 million... REALLY ? Have they supplied the PPE ? I know your a Boris fanboy but will you try and defend anything and everything this inept corrupt government do ?
Have the company, PestFix, with £18,000 in assets supplied the PPE?
If they have, where is the corruption and ineptitude ?
Your blind faith in Boris and his boss Dom is disturbing,
PestFix supplied the PPE -so where is the corruption and ineptitude?
So this is all a non story? "No. I don’t actually think it’s a non-story. There are questions to be asked. It is unusual for such a small lifestyle business to be awarded such a large contract. There are other similar situations that could raise eyebrows . Given the companies have supplied the product as per the tender, you can not disagree there is no ineptitude or corruption. You, and others, just want to have a bit of a whinge about how the contracts were awarded ... | |||
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"Things like these make you realise that some people have invested so much hope in this government. It really doesn't matter how much they are lied to, they will never say anything they have done is wrong. I mean, they were told they were gonna get frictionless trade a few months ago and look what utter cobblers that was "Just as there are people who would hate them even if they went round spending every penny in their pockets giving Xmas presents to kids. | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both."Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! Pestfix were not the only company offering to supply PPE at the time ,
They were also not the only ones chosen."Correct, but why was a tiny company given such a huge contract when there was obviously better alternatives? | |||
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"Things like these make you realise that some people have invested so much hope in this government. It really doesn't matter how much they are lied to, they will never say anything they have done is wrong. I mean, they were told they were gonna get frictionless trade a few months ago and look what utter cobblers that was
Just as there are people who would hate them even if they went round spending every penny in their pockets giving Xmas presents to kids."Nope, wrong. I think they have done marvelously with the furlough scheme, Hong Kong, raising awareness for domestic violence during the pandemic and The Magnitsky Act was utterly brilliant. I can say that but also say, this looks dodgy. | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here "Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost. U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here "So what terms were they offering and at what price? You have no idea therefore you don't know why another company was chosen. Maybe it needs looking at after the event, or as I've just asked you, should we have not ordered from anyone till a lengthy tender process had been gone through. One that quite possibly might have meant we still wouldn't be getting and PPE or testing kits even now. Small companies can sometimes be better, they are quicker to adapt to changes and often have skills you aren't aware of just from a company name. Take Mitsubishi for instance, then have dozens of divisions that do way more than just cars. | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work." And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board. | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here
Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost.
U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria "I am sure when the government decide to publish the full contract everything will be in order | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board." We I would imagine the ones with Labour on have said we will come back to you after we have voted on it at the next Labour conference.! | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board." A lot of Tories have consultancy posts at companies, so do labour mps, so do a lot of the lord's. Law of averages says it's likely to get some crossover, does it mean it's corruption free, no, but what do you want to do? Stop any deals with companies that may have members of parliament involved? I think you'd find all MP's would have something to say about it if you told them they couldn't have their lucrative second jobs. Maybe it would make it fairer, but with the situation we have now it's unavoidable. Everything else takes longer time than we have right now. | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here
Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost.
U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria
I am sure when the government decide to publish the full contract everything will be in order "They have not released the full information on how much ppe has been made..how much it has cost etc. Bound to be an innocent explanation | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here
Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost.
U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria
I am sure when the government decide to publish the full contract everything will be in order
They have not released the full information on how much ppe has been made..how much it has cost etc.
Bound to be an innocent explanation "Let’s hope so, otherwise some people on here are going to look very stupid | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board. A lot of Tories have consultancy posts at companies, so do labour mps, so do a lot of the lord's. Law of averages says it's likely to get some crossover, does it mean it's corruption free, no, but what do you want to do? Stop any deals with companies that may have members of parliament involved? I think you'd find all MP's would have something to say about it if you told them they couldn't have their lucrative second jobs. Maybe it would make it fairer, but with the situation we have now it's unavoidable. Everything else takes longer time than we have right now." Isnt there such a thing as a conflict of interest? Its corruption pure and simple. I'd say the same of labour were in power. The fact that people don't give a fuck shows you what a nation of sheep we have become. | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here
Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost.
U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria "And a company making pigeon netting could? | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here
Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost.
U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria
And a company making pigeon netting could? "Yes - as they have supplied the PPE, as listed in the tender and at the cost required | |||
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here
Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost.
U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria
And a company making pigeon netting could?
Yes - as they have supplied the PPE, as listed in the tender and at the cost required "Again, you didn't read the article. Could you at least read it? | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board. A lot of Tories have consultancy posts at companies, so do labour mps, so do a lot of the lord's. Law of averages says it's likely to get some crossover, does it mean it's corruption free, no, but what do you want to do? Stop any deals with companies that may have members of parliament involved? I think you'd find all MP's would have something to say about it if you told them they couldn't have their lucrative second jobs. Maybe it would make it fairer, but with the situation we have now it's unavoidable. Everything else takes longer time than we have right now. Isnt there such a thing as a conflict of interest? Its corruption pure and simple. I'd say the same of labour were in power. The fact that people don't give a fuck shows you what a nation of sheep we have become." I've literally just said that maybe it would be fairer if we made it so that politicians couldn't have second jobs, but right here and now, we don't have a spare 20 years or so to try to find some way of getting that changed we literally everyone in parliament would probably vote against it. We are working with what we have now not where we would like to be at some indeterminate point in the future. | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board. A lot of Tories have consultancy posts at companies, so do labour mps, so do a lot of the lord's. Law of averages says it's likely to get some crossover, does it mean it's corruption free, no, but what do you want to do? Stop any deals with companies that may have members of parliament involved? I think you'd find all MP's would have something to say about it if you told them they couldn't have their lucrative second jobs. Maybe it would make it fairer, but with the situation we have now it's unavoidable. Everything else takes longer time than we have right now. Isnt there such a thing as a conflict of interest? Its corruption pure and simple. I'd say the same of labour were in power. The fact that people don't give a fuck shows you what a nation of sheep we have become. I've literally just said that maybe it would be fairer if we made it so that politicians couldn't have second jobs, but right here and now, we don't have a spare 20 years or so to try to find some way of getting that changed we literally everyone in parliament would probably vote against it. We are working with what we have now not where we would like to be at some indeterminate point in the future." They can have a job as an 'advisor'but said company can only get a juicy gmnt contract after a rigorous and fair tendering process. Simple. Let's see how many of them are offered jobs as advisors then. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck" OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. | |||
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"So again - brummy What are you proud of this government doing during this killer pandemic. bearing in mind the bankrupt greece tested and traced - without " the best ever " world beating "app" of Boris's South korea tested, tested , tested - deaths from covid 380" Hey, don't compare with other countries. You can't do that. Well the government used to in the daily briefings then it stopped when our deaths overtook other countries. Then we have a glorious PM making double entendres about pants in reply to the leader of opposition meeting with grieving families. Boris, yet again, puts a whacking great foot in it. This from the bloke who nearly died from the thing. No wonder we are viewed as ludicrous by other countries right now | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. " Bit like this then?? https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/22/thousands-coronavirus-tests-are-double-counted-officials-admit-12742017/ Or is that ok?? Give it a minute....he will defend it!! | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board. A lot of Tories have consultancy posts at companies, so do labour mps, so do a lot of the lord's. Law of averages says it's likely to get some crossover, does it mean it's corruption free, no, but what do you want to do? Stop any deals with companies that may have members of parliament involved? I think you'd find all MP's would have something to say about it if you told them they couldn't have their lucrative second jobs. Maybe it would make it fairer, but with the situation we have now it's unavoidable. Everything else takes longer time than we have right now. Isnt there such a thing as a conflict of interest? Its corruption pure and simple. I'd say the same of labour were in power. The fact that people don't give a fuck shows you what a nation of sheep we have become. I've literally just said that maybe it would be fairer if we made it so that politicians couldn't have second jobs, but right here and now, we don't have a spare 20 years or so to try to find some way of getting that changed we literally everyone in parliament would probably vote against it. We are working with what we have now not where we would like to be at some indeterminate point in the future. They can have a job as an 'advisor'but said company can only get a juicy gmnt contract after a rigorous and fair tendering process. Simple. Let's see how many of them are offered jobs as advisors then." So we are back again to the question of do you want the stuff we need now, or delay the supply for months while the tender process is completed you cannot have both. You are mixing up how you wish things were with how they actually are right now. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Bit like this then?? https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/22/thousands-coronavirus-tests-are-double-counted-officials-admit-12742017/ Or is that ok?? Give it a minute....he will defend it!! "Two completely different things and you know it. Go ahead yourself and try to buy 50 pairs of medical gloves. You end up with 100 gloves which fit either hand. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Bit like this then?? https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/22/thousands-coronavirus-tests-are-double-counted-officials-admit-12742017/ Or is that ok?? Give it a minute....he will defend it!!
Two completely different things and you know it.
Go ahead yourself and try to buy 50 pairs of medical gloves.
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"Just how long is the tendering process? A week, a fortnight, a month, six months or a year even. It seems that the people complain on this thread are the same ones complaining that we didn't lock down early enough or start testing quick enough.! And you will literally defend anything. Look, if it's all above board, don't worry about people questioning it then
So make your mind up, do you want the stuff we need now, or do you want it maybe sometime around Xmas after a full tender process has been gone through? For the avoidance of doubt, you can't have both.
Funny though that companies with way more experience were crying out to make this stuff. Literally ringing the government and were ignored, but carry on....nothing to see here
Availability, volume, secure continuation of supply and cost.
U.K. companies making PPE could manufacture, but there were very few, if any, that could meet all of the above important criteria
And a company making pigeon netting could?
Yes - as they have supplied the PPE, as listed in the tender and at the cost required
Again, you didn't read the article. Could you at least read it?"The tender that was awarded to PestFix - how many other companies tendered for it (it was a publicly available tender, open for any company to submit details)? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. " Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Bit like this then?? https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/22/thousands-coronavirus-tests-are-double-counted-officials-admit-12742017/ Or is that ok?? Give it a minute....he will defend it!!
Two completely different things and you know it.
Go ahead yourself and try to buy 50 pairs of medical gloves.
You end up with 100 gloves which fit either hand.
And the tests??"Seems like they got the way you should count gloves with mixed up with the way you should count tests | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Bit like this then?? https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/22/thousands-coronavirus-tests-are-double-counted-officials-admit-12742017/ Or is that ok?? Give it a minute....he will defend it!!
Two completely different things and you know it.
Go ahead yourself and try to buy 50 pairs of medical gloves.
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"THE POINT IS they lied about everything During a pandemic the worst thing to hit us 100 years WE WANT THE TRUTH AND FACTS NOT SPIN Not bullshit pouring from Dom cummings puppet and Bo Zo our clown " The point is you are unwilling to admit you got it wrong about gloves. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you?" I bet Cummings does, he has one hand permanently wedged up Boris's arse.... | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you?" In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. | |||
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"THE POINT IS they lied about everything During a pandemic the worst thing to hit us 100 years WE WANT THE TRUTH AND FACTS NOT SPIN Not bullshit pouring from Dom cummings puppet and Bo Zo our clown The point is you are unwilling to admit you got it wrong about gloves." Hey, I'll admit it when you admit the testing was bollocks....can we manage that?? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you?" Actually you you can and do. If one gets dirty/damaged or you need to take it off for some reason you can just pull out a new one. Saves on waste. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career." Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you?" You are going to if one splits - or should they take off both so they can get another pair
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. " You missed the bit about 3 tests for one person...at best it was bloody misleading the british public. But it sums them up when it comes to downright lying! | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board. A lot of Tories have consultancy posts at companies, so do labour mps, so do a lot of the lord's. Law of averages says it's likely to get some crossover, does it mean it's corruption free, no, but what do you want to do? Stop any deals with companies that may have members of parliament involved? I think you'd find all MP's would have something to say about it if you told them they couldn't have their lucrative second jobs. Maybe it would make it fairer, but with the situation we have now it's unavoidable. Everything else takes longer time than we have right now. Isnt there such a thing as a conflict of interest? Its corruption pure and simple. I'd say the same of labour were in power. The fact that people don't give a fuck shows you what a nation of sheep we have become. I've literally just said that maybe it would be fairer if we made it so that politicians couldn't have second jobs, but right here and now, we don't have a spare 20 years or so to try to find some way of getting that changed we literally everyone in parliament would probably vote against it. We are working with what we have now not where we would like to be at some indeterminate point in the future. They can have a job as an 'advisor'but said company can only get a juicy gmnt contract after a rigorous and fair tendering process. Simple. Let's see how many of them are offered jobs as advisors then. So we are back again to the question of do you want the stuff we need now, or delay the supply for months while the tender process is completed you cannot have both. You are mixing up how you wish things were with how they actually are right now." Well for a start we shouldn't have a system in place which is so rife for corruption. You also seem to be implying that it was unavoidable that the companies who were awarded contracts without tender just so happened to have links to the conservative party. Some of these companies also apparently had very little background or experience in developing ppe. One company was awarded a contract who had no workforce. I get the whole "it's an emergency debate" but in fairly sure they could have put those bids out to tender with a much shorter consultation period I'm fairly sure in the guardian it said it took them 3 months to give the contact to pestix and then they backtracked over the amount given. The whole thing stinks but like I said in another thread.This is arguably the most corrupt gmnt we have ever had. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career." They are for hospital s. Not labs. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments..." Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? Actually you you can and do. If one gets dirty/damaged or you need to take it off for some reason you can just pull out a new one. Saves on waste." That's using 3..not 1? Did they count the gloves individually? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling." Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. | |||
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"Fuckin so corrupt ! Dam this so so wrong !! As is our leader Dom and his stooge bozo the clown ffs Giving this to contract a Tory toff friend ! When we should be using our already up and running NHS labs and fkn medics !!! Err you do know we are already using them? The stuff to 3rd parties was because we needed extra capacity fast. As for putting contracts out to tender, this is normal process, however it is allowed in law to step outside of this in times of urgent need, you know, like a global pandemic. It means we don't have to wait 6 to 12 months for all the companies to tender, then to be reviewed and processed. I would also point out that doesn't matter if you like red or blue, both have used this clause. I agree tender process is the better way to do it, but if you need it quickly, the approach simply doesn't work. And its just a coincidence many.of The companies involved had tories on the board. A lot of Tories have consultancy posts at companies, so do labour mps, so do a lot of the lord's. Law of averages says it's likely to get some crossover, does it mean it's corruption free, no, but what do you want to do? Stop any deals with companies that may have members of parliament involved? I think you'd find all MP's would have something to say about it if you told them they couldn't have their lucrative second jobs. Maybe it would make it fairer, but with the situation we have now it's unavoidable. Everything else takes longer time than we have right now. Isnt there such a thing as a conflict of interest? Its corruption pure and simple. I'd say the same of labour were in power. The fact that people don't give a fuck shows you what a nation of sheep we have become. I've literally just said that maybe it would be fairer if we made it so that politicians couldn't have second jobs, but right here and now, we don't have a spare 20 years or so to try to find some way of getting that changed we literally everyone in parliament would probably vote against it. We are working with what we have now not where we would like to be at some indeterminate point in the future. They can have a job as an 'advisor'but said company can only get a juicy gmnt contract after a rigorous and fair tendering process. Simple. Let's see how many of them are offered jobs as advisors then. So we are back again to the question of do you want the stuff we need now, or delay the supply for months while the tender process is completed you cannot have both. You are mixing up how you wish things were with how they actually are right now. Well for a start we shouldn't have a system in place which is so rife for corruption. You also seem to be implying that it was unavoidable that the companies who were awarded contracts without tender just so happened to have links to the conservative party. Some of these companies also apparently had very little background or experience in developing ppe. One company was awarded a contract who had no workforce. I get the whole "it's an emergency debate" but in fairly sure they could have put those bids out to tender with a much shorter consultation period I'm fairly sure in the guardian it said it took them 3 months to give the contact to pestix and then they backtracked over the amount given. The whole thing stinks but like I said in another thread.This is arguably the most corrupt gmnt we have ever had." Well, you're certainly taking the "arguably" part to heart. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? Actually you you can and do. If one gets dirty/damaged or you need to take it off for some reason you can just pull out a new one. Saves on waste. That's using 3..not 1? Did they count the gloves individually?" Gloves are sold a's one glove ot pairs. Is that clearer for you Lionel? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? Actually you you can and do. If one gets dirty/damaged or you need to take it off for some reason you can just pull out a new one. Saves on waste. That's using 3..not 1? Did they count the gloves individually? Gloves are sold a's one glove ot pairs. Is that clearer for you Lionel? " not* pairs. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.." Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? Actually you you can and do. If one gets dirty/damaged or you need to take it off for some reason you can just pull out a new one. Saves on waste. That's using 3..not 1? Did they count the gloves individually? Gloves are sold a's one glove ot pairs. Is that clearer for you Lionel? " So in a box of 100 gloves (50 pairs) how is that counted? Were they not counting it as 200 gloves? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice." Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? Actually you you can and do. If one gets dirty/damaged or you need to take it off for some reason you can just pull out a new one. Saves on waste. That's using 3..not 1? Did they count the gloves individually? Gloves are sold a's one glove ot pairs. Is that clearer for you Lionel? So in a box of 100 gloves (50 pairs) how is that counted? Were they not counting it as 200 gloves?" How many more times. 100pcs = 100 gloves. Fuc***g goole it and see for yourself. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually?" There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis." Ok, we will say gloves are good. Now the tests, explain that one... | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis." Need is meant to say been, I blame auto correct. | |||
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"Come on guys, can you bring yourselves to admit they have done some stuff terribly? Come on,meet us halfway. Or could they literally shit on your carpet and you'd lick it up? "Hands up not everything has been great. I wish there had of been a COVID-19 response manual at hand at the beginning but the Chinese fail to send us a copy! | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? Actually you you can and do. If one gets dirty/damaged or you need to take it off for some reason you can just pull out a new one. Saves on waste. That's using 3..not 1? Did they count the gloves individually? Gloves are sold a's one glove ot pairs. Is that clearer for you Lionel? So in a box of 100 gloves (50 pairs) how is that counted? Were they not counting it as 200 gloves? How many more times. 100pcs = 100 gloves. Fuc***g goole it and see for yourself." I watched it on panorama. The dr said they had been sent 200 gloves but it was a packet of 100 pairs. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis." Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Ok, we will say gloves are good. Now the tests, explain that one..." No, I haven't got the time or inclination to go trawling through web sources to try to get to the bottom of it right now, I have better things to do with my evening. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. " After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. " Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging." I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick." If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that." Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that." Watch panorama and make your own mind up. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? " Yes I believe before they interviewed everyone they asked who They voted for? Presumably if you clapped for the nurses...you only applauded the ones who voted tory? | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians?" Is it beyond the realms of possibility to have a tender with a shorter consultation period? Surely it must make you wonder why would a company employ a tory mp who has no particular experience their field as an 'advisor' Serous question.Why do you think they do that? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? Yes I believe before they interviewed everyone they asked who They voted for? Presumably if you clapped for the nurses...you only applauded the ones who voted tory?" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/bbc-defends-panorama-show-used-labour-activists-criticise-lack/amp/ | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? Yes I believe before they interviewed everyone they asked who They voted for? Presumably if you clapped for the nurses...you only applauded the ones who voted tory? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/bbc-defends-panorama-show-used-labour-activists-criticise-lack/amp/" Care to explain what difference that makes? Is their opinion invalid because they vote labour? Also the NHS is very strict on staff speaking to the press.One of the nurses who spoke was a union reo and said she only went on camera as she knew they couldn't come after hher. Additionally I'm guessing there are not too many tory working nurses groups.Labour are bound to be much more active. | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians?" Problem is that there are a lot of contracts that have ended up being granted to Cummings’ pals. I guess if this one was the only, you could give them the benefit of the doubt but there are another 5 or 6 similar cases. | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Problem is that there are a lot of contracts that have ended up being granted to Cummings’ pals. I guess if this one was the only, you could give them the benefit of the doubt but there are another 5 or 6 similar cases. " Didn't 1 of them spend the money on doing research to Brexit? | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? Yes I believe before they interviewed everyone they asked who They voted for? Presumably if you clapped for the nurses...you only applauded the ones who voted tory? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/bbc-defends-panorama-show-used-labour-activists-criticise-lack/amp/ Care to explain what difference that makes? Is their opinion invalid because they vote labour? Also the NHS is very strict on staff speaking to the press.One of the nurses who spoke was a union reo and said she only went on camera as she knew they couldn't come after hher. Additionally I'm guessing there are not too many tory working nurses groups.Labour are bound to be much more active." It's about it being a balanced program. Just like when the BBC was told not to fill the audience with Labour supporters again for Question Time. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? Yes I believe before they interviewed everyone they asked who They voted for? Presumably if you clapped for the nurses...you only applauded the ones who voted tory? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/bbc-defends-panorama-show-used-labour-activists-criticise-lack/amp/ Care to explain what difference that makes? Is their opinion invalid because they vote labour? Also the NHS is very strict on staff speaking to the press.One of the nurses who spoke was a union reo and said she only went on camera as she knew they couldn't come after hher. Additionally I'm guessing there are not too many tory working nurses groups.Labour are bound to be much more active. It's about it being a balanced program. Just like when the BBC was told not to fill the audience with Labour supporters again for Question Time." The same question time who has an overwhelming tory majority in the audience for every single show that it does? | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Problem is that there are a lot of contracts that have ended up being granted to Cummings’ pals. I guess if this one was the only, you could give them the benefit of the doubt but there are another 5 or 6 similar cases. Didn't 1 of them spend the money on doing research to Brexit?" Yep. Not sure if it’s online but it was in the paper edition of the Guardian yesterday. | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? Yes I believe before they interviewed everyone they asked who They voted for? Presumably if you clapped for the nurses...you only applauded the ones who voted tory? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/bbc-defends-panorama-show-used-labour-activists-criticise-lack/amp/ Care to explain what difference that makes? Is their opinion invalid because they vote labour? Also the NHS is very strict on staff speaking to the press.One of the nurses who spoke was a union reo and said she only went on camera as she knew they couldn't come after hher. Additionally I'm guessing there are not too many tory working nurses groups.Labour are bound to be much more active. It's about it being a balanced program. Just like when the BBC was told not to fill the audience with Labour supporters again for Question Time. The same question time who has an overwhelming tory majority in the audience for every single show that it does?" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/10403755/bbc-question-time-coronation-street-bias/amp/ | |||
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"Do not forget this joke of a government counted items for PPE as As mops, buckets, plastic bin bags, individual gloves not pairs, bars of soap, washing up liquid, nail brushes, hair nets, single shoe protectors, And the testing was not per one person - it was for the swap and the bag and the other swab - thus falsely tripling the numbers - LYING Thus They came up with 3 tests when it was one - FACT CORRUPT as fuck OK let get something straight here. Have you ever bought or worn medical gloves? I'm guessing the answer is no. They are sold and packaged as a quantity usual 100. 100 gloves not pairs of gloves. They are not LH & RH because the glove itself fits on both. So a box of 100 gloves is 100 pieces of PPE. Were they not counting the items as double? And surely you are not going to use 1 glove are you? In a lab environment, there are many situations where you use only 1 glove. I have personally done it hundreds of times in my working career. Care homes and hospitals are not lab environments... Are you telling me that hospitals don't have labs in them and other facilities that need PPE just as much as those on the patient wards? I am simply pointing out that not all PPE requirements are the same, it depends what roll you are fulfilling. Point is, it wasn't scientists in labs dying from the virus, it was care workers and nurses. Come on, you know this stuff.. Point is doctors and nurses were never told they could only have 1 glove. PPE gloves are sold in boxes that literally say 100 pieces on them and have been for decades. There are many occasions where 1 glove is sufficient and indeed, all that is used through choice. Isnt the whole argument that they were getting counted individually? There is no argument, a box of 100 gloves IS 100 pieces of PPE, the fact you don't like that answer is irrelevant, they are, and have need for decades, 100 pieces in a box. They are not always worn as pairs, this is not a secret or surprise to those that need to use them on a daily basis. Thats how the NHS procurement system works. You order 100 gloves, the computer system lists it as 100 gloves and supplies 100 gloves. It does not supply 50 pairs. After the panorama programme aired a gmnt spokesman said they had been miscounting the items of ppe..and they should have been counted as pairs..not individually. Maybe this was another one of those times the government said something wrong as you are so fond of pointing out. I am currently looking at a box of latex gloves and a box of nitrile ones, one says quantity 100, the other says 100 gloves. Neither mention pair or pairs anywhere on the packaging. I don't work in the NHS so in basically a lot of my opinions of what I've heard/,read. On the panorama programme 1 dr was complaining that the amount of ppe was inaccurate. So either he is talking shite or the gmnt are not being completely honest. Take your pick. If he or the government are calling a box of 100 gloves anything other than 100 gloves they are talking shit. It is as simple as that. Was that the program that only used Labour supporting people? Yes I believe before they interviewed everyone they asked who They voted for? Presumably if you clapped for the nurses...you only applauded the ones who voted tory? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/bbc-defends-panorama-show-used-labour-activists-criticise-lack/amp/ Care to explain what difference that makes? Is their opinion invalid because they vote labour? Also the NHS is very strict on staff speaking to the press.One of the nurses who spoke was a union reo and said she only went on camera as she knew they couldn't come after hher. Additionally I'm guessing there are not too many tory working nurses groups.Labour are bound to be much more active. It's about it being a balanced program. Just like when the BBC was told not to fill the audience with Labour supporters again for Question Time. The same question time who has an overwhelming tory majority in the audience for every single show that it does? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/10403755/bbc-question-time-coronation-street-bias/amp/" Since the election every single qt audience will reflect the tory majority..wherever it is held. | |||
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"Testing should have been put in place in the NHS systems - used medics that are not on the front line TEST & TRACE - like south Korea did & Greece - virus squashed !!! NHS LABS NHS GP's to help with the tests & Pharmacies to follow up also. INSTEAD WE GOT a horse shit new plan from DOM CUMMINGS, not use any of our NHS infrastructure I cant believe that we can not call our GP's for test to see if we have covid ! Are you not embarrassed you are lead by this man - DOM ? Boris you are a joke " NHS labs are being used, private labs were brought in to expand the testing capacity way beyond what could be provided by the NHS without waiting months at a minimum. And when testing, what is better, you send large numbers of people with a contagious brand new disease to a specific site for just that specific test, or you send them all to GPs with small surgeries and facilities which also have significant numbers of people coming through with other illnesses that potentially make them far more vulnerable to Covid? Wherever you are getting your information from, I strongly suggest you find something more reliable. | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Is it beyond the realms of possibility to have a tender with a shorter consultation period? Surely it must make you wonder why would a company employ a tory mp who has no particular experience their field as an 'advisor' Serous question.Why do you think they do that?" So you prefer the out to tender route hopefully shorter process. How long should it be? Do they exclude any company with Tory links regardless? | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Problem is that there are a lot of contracts that have ended up being granted to Cummings’ pals. I guess if this one was the only, you could give them the benefit of the doubt but there are another 5 or 6 similar cases. " Should companies be excluded if they have links to the Tory party?. Would you go down the normal tender route | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Is it beyond the realms of possibility to have a tender with a shorter consultation period? Surely it must make you wonder why would a company employ a tory mp who has no particular experience their field as an 'advisor' Serous question.Why do you think they do that? So you prefer the out to tender route hopefully shorter process. How long should it be? Do they exclude any company with Tory links regardless?" Not answering my question? Personally I think having mps on board just invites a level of corruption..how can it not? Yep I'm fairly sure it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility to shorten the process. Like I said earlier it took them 3 months to give it to pestix anyway | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Is it beyond the realms of possibility to have a tender with a shorter consultation period? Surely it must make you wonder why would a company employ a tory mp who has no particular experience their field as an 'advisor' Serous question.Why do you think they do that? So you prefer the out to tender route hopefully shorter process. How long should it be? Do they exclude any company with Tory links regardless? Not answering my question? Personally I think having mps on board just invites a level of corruption..how can it not? Yep I'm fairly sure it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility to shorten the process. Like I said earlier it took them 3 months to give it to pestix anyway " I don't doubt the possibility of a shorter tender period but how short? What part do you cut? So regardless of the company if it has links to the Tory party they should be excluded | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Is it beyond the realms of possibility to have a tender with a shorter consultation period? Surely it must make you wonder why would a company employ a tory mp who has no particular experience their field as an 'advisor' Serous question.Why do you think they do that? So you prefer the out to tender route hopefully shorter process. How long should it be? Do they exclude any company with Tory links regardless? Not answering my question? Personally I think having mps on board just invites a level of corruption..how can it not? Yep I'm fairly sure it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility to shorten the process. Like I said earlier it took them 3 months to give it to pestix anyway I don't doubt the possibility of a shorter tender period but how short? What part do you cut? So regardless of the company if it has links to the Tory party they should be excluded" Every contract given out by every government and every local council is no different it is the way of the world. Is it right,No.But it is a fact of life it is the way the world work and if you do not realis this you have no grip on reality | |||
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"So is the complaint that the contracts were not put out to tender in the normal way or that some of the companies chosen had Tory links? Who here would have gone down the normal tender route? Would you exclude companies that had links to Tory politicians? Is it beyond the realms of possibility to have a tender with a shorter consultation period? Surely it must make you wonder why would a company employ a tory mp who has no particular experience their field as an 'advisor' Serous question.Why do you think they do that? So you prefer the out to tender route hopefully shorter process. How long should it be? Do they exclude any company with Tory links regardless? Not answering my question? Personally I think having mps on board just invites a level of corruption..how can it not? Yep I'm fairly sure it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility to shorten the process. Like I said earlier it took them 3 months to give it to pestix anyway I don't doubt the possibility of a shorter tender period but how short? What part do you cut? So regardless of the company if it has links to the Tory party they should be excludedEvery contract given out by every government and every local council is no different it is the way of the world. Is it right,No.But it is a fact of life it is the way the world work and if you do not realis this you have no grip on reality" I feel you need to take another look at my posts I was asking people's opinions and what route they would have taken | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ?" Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.!" Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity! | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity! "I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn. "Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country. "Not to mention his nut job boss... | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country. "You constantly moan about our PM. Tell me, what was the alternative? | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative? "As the Tories won with boris/cummings as thier leader,there wasn't one. But come on ...I bet you wish someone else won the Tory leadership | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
As the Tories won with boris/cummings as thier leader,there wasn't one.
But come on ...I bet you wish someone else won the Tory leadership "Actually having Boris as London Mayor for two terms was good. Much better than the current one and the previous one to Boris. So no I don't wish someone else won the leadership. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
As the Tories won with boris/cummings as thier leader,there wasn't one.
But come on ...I bet you wish someone else won the Tory leadership
Actually having Boris as London Mayor for two terms was good. Much better than the current one and the previous one to Boris.
So no I don't wish someone else won the leadership."If you say that he was good, he must have been. Not that you’re slightly biased. We can count on your impartiality... | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
As the Tories won with boris/cummings as thier leader,there wasn't one.
But come on ...I bet you wish someone else won the Tory leadership
Actually having Boris as London Mayor for two terms was good. Much better than the current one and the previous one to Boris.
So no I don't wish someone else won the leadership.
If you say that he was good, he must have been. Not that you’re slightly biased. We can count on your impartiality... "Don't forget we had Livingstone prior Boris. Even Labour expelled him from the party! | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
As the Tories won with boris/cummings as thier leader,there wasn't one.
But come on ...I bet you wish someone else won the Tory leadership
Actually having Boris as London Mayor for two terms was good. Much better than the current one and the previous one to Boris.
So no I don't wish someone else won the leadership.
If you say that he was good, he must have been. Not that you’re slightly biased. We can count on your impartiality...
Don't forget we had Livingstone prior Boris.
Even Labour expelled him from the party!"O yes. Livingston = bad / Boris = very good , Sadie Khan = bad. Welcome to Trump’s world. Complexity and nuance at its best. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
As the Tories won with boris/cummings as thier leader,there wasn't one.
But come on ...I bet you wish someone else won the Tory leadership
Actually having Boris as London Mayor for two terms was good. Much better than the current one and the previous one to Boris.
So no I don't wish someone else won the leadership.
If you say that he was good, he must have been. Not that you’re slightly biased. We can count on your impartiality...
Don't forget we had Livingstone prior Boris.
Even Labour expelled him from the party!
O yes. Livingston = bad / Boris = very good , Sadie Khan = bad.
Welcome to Trump’s world. Complexity and nuance at its best.
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
As the Tories won with boris/cummings as thier leader,there wasn't one.
But come on ...I bet you wish someone else won the Tory leadership
Actually having Boris as London Mayor for two terms was good. Much better than the current one and the previous one to Boris.
So no I don't wish someone else won the leadership.
If you say that he was good, he must have been. Not that you’re slightly biased. We can count on your impartiality... "Pot and kettle springs to mind here! | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative? "At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation"We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative? "Isnt one of the chuckle brothers Still alive? | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime. "Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime.
Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot"He will get an easier ride than JC. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime.
Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot"Truth doesn’t always pay off otherwise the Sun and the Mail wouldn’t be the most read papers. When you see white van drivers voting en masse for the tories, you don’t need to be a political expert to know that the people who are the most stuffed by the tories, the deeper it is the more they like it. I won’t even mention the pensioners who thank the tories everyday for being responsible for 65000 deaths and venerate them for giving them the lowest pensions in Europe. It’s not tests for Covid we need, it’s IQ tests. | |||
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"I wander how much was saved in pensions by sending old people back of too the care homes..." Maybe that’s what Boris meant by ovenready. | |||
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"I wander how much was saved in pensions by sending old people back of too the care homes... Maybe that’s what Boris meant by ovenready. "Aw ffs he never   | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime.
Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot
Truth doesn’t always pay off otherwise the Sun and the Mail wouldn’t be the most read papers. When you see white van drivers voting en masse for the tories, you don’t need to be a political expert to know that the people who are the most stuffed by the tories, the deeper it is the more they like it.
I won’t even mention the pensioners who thank the tories everyday for being responsible for 65000 deaths and venerate them for giving them the lowest pensions in Europe. It’s not tests for Covid we need, it’s IQ tests.
"On the other hand you could say all these people are rather clever and not stupid. After all they didn’t vote in Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime.
Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot
Truth doesn’t always pay off otherwise the Sun and the Mail wouldn’t be the most read papers. When you see white van drivers voting en masse for the tories, you don’t need to be a political expert to know that the people who are the most stuffed by the tories, the deeper it is the more they like it.
I won’t even mention the pensioners who thank the tories everyday for being responsible for 65000 deaths and venerate them for giving them the lowest pensions in Europe. It’s not tests for Covid we need, it’s IQ tests.
On the other hand you could say all these people are rather clever and not stupid.
After all they didn’t vote in Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott."They voted in bj,Patel,grayling and reece mogg. Has the defeniton of the word clever changed? | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime.
Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot
Truth doesn’t always pay off otherwise the Sun and the Mail wouldn’t be the most read papers. When you see white van drivers voting en masse for the tories, you don’t need to be a political expert to know that the people who are the most stuffed by the tories, the deeper it is the more they like it.
I won’t even mention the pensioners who thank the tories everyday for being responsible for 65000 deaths and venerate them for giving them the lowest pensions in Europe. It’s not tests for Covid we need, it’s IQ tests.
On the other hand you could say all these people are rather clever and not stupid.
After all they didn’t vote in Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott."You’re back to the good and bad world. Does that make you feel comfortable or can you do subtlety? I mean if you think that Patel and Liz Truss for example are bright buttons, why not... | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime.
Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot
Truth doesn’t always pay off otherwise the Sun and the Mail wouldn’t be the most read papers. When you see white van drivers voting en masse for the tories, you don’t need to be a political expert to know that the people who are the most stuffed by the tories, the deeper it is the more they like it.
I won’t even mention the pensioners who thank the tories everyday for being responsible for 65000 deaths and venerate them for giving them the lowest pensions in Europe. It’s not tests for Covid we need, it’s IQ tests.
On the other hand you could say all these people are rather clever and not stupid.
After all they didn’t vote in Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott.
You’re back to the good and bad world. Does that make you feel comfortable or can you do subtlety? I mean if you think that Patel and Liz Truss for example are bright buttons, why not... "Well I've not seen them go out in odd shoes yet. At least they can tell their left and right feet apart. | |||
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"When Boris decides to do some work every week or so by standing up to make his - Public school debating techniques - speech Waffling and falsely performing to his imaginary - fellow public school quaffers. You wouldn't trust him to run your bath ? Well reading your waffle I trust him more than you.! Because you try so hard to trust Boris. Surely sometimes, when you are a bit honest with yourself- you must be wondering who is the muppet we have elected as our pm? I hope for you that you gave those moments of lucidity!
I can safely say I still prefer Boris than the alternative choice of Comrade Corbyn.
Except that nobody has mentioned Corbyn. Not liking Corbyn doesn’t make Bojo a trustworthy person. Have serious doubts about the perspicacity of people who can’t even admit or see that we have a liar/ clown leading this country.
You constantly moan about our PM.
Tell me, what was the alternative?
At the time in question it was Cornyn but he did not win (again). Next up its starmer who should win by a mile given the situation
We’ll see. Let’s enjoy the spectacle in the meantime.
Let's see? Come on where is your belief. If even a fraction of what's said on here is true it should be a walk in the park for starmer starmer would have to make a monumental cock up in the next 4 years not to win. I doesn't strike me as someone who does that a lot
Truth doesn’t always pay off otherwise the Sun and the Mail wouldn’t be the most read papers. When you see white van drivers voting en masse for the tories, you don’t need to be a political expert to know that the people who are the most stuffed by the tories, the deeper it is the more they like it.
I won’t even mention the pensioners who thank the tories everyday for being responsible for 65000 deaths and venerate them for giving them the lowest pensions in Europe. It’s not tests for Covid we need, it’s IQ tests.
On the other hand you could say all these people are rather clever and not stupid.
After all they didn’t vote in Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott.
You’re back to the good and bad world. Does that make you feel comfortable or can you do subtlety? I mean if you think that Patel and Liz Truss for example are bright buttons, why not...
Well I've not seen them go out in odd shoes yet.
At least they can tell their left and right feet apart. "You must be fun to have for dinner. Let’s leave it here Einstein. | |||
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