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"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life?" Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? " Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible?" Lionel, this guy is on the wind up. He says things then backs out of saying them. That is exactly what he is saying. He has stats, he makes up in his own head then thinks that makes it the truth. I think he is trolling... | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend " This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!!" So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible?" Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Lionel, this guy is on the wind up. He says things then backs out of saying them. That is exactly what he is saying. He has stats, he makes up in his own head then thinks that makes it the truth. I think he is trolling..." Please my friend name calling is not the best way to except you were wrong What did I back out of saying my friend | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!!" My apologies my friend. I just assumed you would be able to grasp this simple post, so that’s my mistake I’m sorry my friend I’m struggling to make it more basic but I will try for you ( shame I cant show you pictures) Anybody can have children if they want but if they end up as a single parent it’s more than likely to be there fault male or female Hope this is easier my friend | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend " So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner??" I’m truly amazed you can come up with that conclusion my friend. Not sure if I should carry on chatting with you as it seems like I’m taking advantage or chatting to underage people. Maybe if you don’t understand something ask a friend or something my friend | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault?" You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true " So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha." Now, I'm gonna hazard a guess here....this fella hasn't had a lot of relationships... | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner??" Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. " No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. | |||
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"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. " No he isnt. That is just what you are trying to imply he has said. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. " No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. No he isnt. That is just what you are trying to imply he has said." No he has said it on several occasions. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. No he isnt. That is just what you are trying to imply he has said." And I quote, from the previous thread 'Single parent ? Well that’s your own fault to start with in most occasions'... | |||
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"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha." You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. " The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. Now, I'm gonna hazard a guess here....this fella hasn't had a lot of relationships..." Awww now insults, my friend your not very good at this debating thing are you Name calling and insults usually mean you have lost or feel inadequate | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female " So, don't ever have a relationship now as well?? | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. " Bless you my friend wrong again, that’s not what I said and didn’t say All or EVERY Please try and keep up | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. No he isnt. That is just what you are trying to imply he has said. No he has said it on several occasions. " Not you as well my friend , not once have I said ALL or EVERY | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. No he isnt. That is just what you are trying to imply he has said. And I quote, from the previous thread 'Single parent ? Well that’s your own fault to start with in most occasions'..." Correct , on most occasions, not ALL or EVERY , welcome to the party finally | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. " But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. " You realise some refugees come here and it's not a bed of Rose's? They end up living in awful conditions.. working on the street...working for buttons. Yes anyone can change their life but a lot depends on circumstances. Are you going to admit you were wrong about your 'he didn't say single parents have themselves to blame'claim? | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. No he isnt. That is just what you are trying to imply he has said. And I quote, from the previous thread 'Single parent ? Well that’s your own fault to start with in most occasions'..." I was referring to the "dont have a child" part of your comment but as you want to be pedantic he said "in most occasions" and you claimed he said "every person". | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female So, don't ever have a relationship now as well??" Wow my friend maybe simple debate is to much for you if you can’t keep up Where are you getting this from lol | |||
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"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female So, don't ever have a relationship now as well?? Wow my friend maybe simple debate is to much for you if you can’t keep up Where are you getting this from lol" Erm, you. You just said 'you knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown'...your words. So, you are saying don't get into relationships because you could get hit. Mate, I'm just holding the mirror up to you and you are denying the reflection is you. | |||
"Thank you Mellow Fellow But I think we are wasting our time, they just can’t grasp the simplicity of this topic my friend Maybe they will do better on other threads " Nope, you just are living in a dream world. A funny little fellow who lives on s perfect 'snowflakey' unreality.....it's sweet in a way, kinda naive and innocent. Bless | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No, what he is saying is, don't have a child unless you 100% know that relationship will last forever. Nobody knows that, there are no guarantees. Unless you are psychic. He said every person that is a single parent it's because it is their own fault....that is patently bollocks. No he isnt. That is just what you are trying to imply he has said. And I quote, from the previous thread 'Single parent ? Well that’s your own fault to start with in most occasions'... I was referring to the "dont have a child" part of your comment but as you want to be pedantic he said "in most occasions" and you claimed he said "every person"." But most? You must have access to the same stats as our hippy friend..  | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female " How? | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally." Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it." If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female So, don't ever have a relationship now as well?? Wow my friend maybe simple debate is to much for you if you can’t keep up Where are you getting this from lol Erm, you. You just said 'you knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown'...your words. So, you are saying don't get into relationships because you could get hit. Mate, I'm just holding the mirror up to you and you are denying the reflection is you." I’m sorry my friend this is obviously confusing for you. So relax breath and read the following carefully, ONCE consensual unprotected sex has happened, there is a good chance a baby may appear yeah ? You following. Good now at that very point my friend there is no guarantee you will stay for ever with the partner, so if married, someone wins the lottery goes to prison becomes an astronaut it’s irrelevant. The chance and your decision has already been made. So just to recap for you. As you have had consented to unprotected sex with no guarantee of staying together. AT THAT VERY POINT there is a chance of not staying together , everyone knows this so yes it’s more than likely the persons fault they are a single parent as they made the choice to have a baby at that moment. Simple yeah ? On the other note not once did I say don’t have a baby my friend or a relationship, I’m saying take responsibility for YOUR LIFE CHOICES nothing wrong with single parents but it’s not an excuse that’s all Sorry my friend for the capitals I’m just amazed by people not understanding this simple premise, maybe I’m used to a certain level of knowledge and conversation my friend | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female How?" Omg, right, so at the consensual unprotected sex part there is no guarantee of being together forever so a chance of knowingly being a single parent. Domestic abuse in the future is to late as the 2 people had already made a decision and knew the possibilities of being a single parent Right the way back at the sex part | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female How? Omg, right, so at the consensual unprotected sex part there is no guarantee of being together forever so a chance of knowingly being a single parent. Domestic abuse in the future is to late as the 2 people had already made a decision and knew the possibilities of being a single parent Right the way back at the sex part " So, don't have children ever then? There is the mirror Jay, holding it up to you and you are just looking in it a bit dumbfounded.. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.." Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female So, don't ever have a relationship now as well?? Wow my friend maybe simple debate is to much for you if you can’t keep up Where are you getting this from lol Erm, you. You just said 'you knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown'...your words. So, you are saying don't get into relationships because you could get hit. Mate, I'm just holding the mirror up to you and you are denying the reflection is you. I’m sorry my friend this is obviously confusing for you. So relax breath and read the following carefully, ONCE consensual unprotected sex has happened, there is a good chance a baby may appear yeah ? You following. Good now at that very point my friend there is no guarantee you will stay for ever with the partner, so if married, someone wins the lottery goes to prison becomes an astronaut it’s irrelevant. The chance and your decision has already been made. So just to recap for you. As you have had consented to unprotected sex with no guarantee of staying together. AT THAT VERY POINT there is a chance of not staying together , everyone knows this so yes it’s more than likely the persons fault they are a single parent as they made the choice to have a baby at that moment. Simple yeah ? On the other note not once did I say don’t have a baby my friend or a relationship, I’m saying take responsibility for YOUR LIFE CHOICES nothing wrong with single parents but it’s not an excuse that’s all Sorry my friend for the capitals I’m just amazed by people not understanding this simple premise, maybe I’m used to a certain level of knowledge and conversation my friend " Right. You have denied this in the past but what you are saying is this. If you have a child with someone you need to make sure you are certain you will spend the rest of your life with them.. and if you don't.. for whatever reason..its your own fault In black and white that's what you are saying. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.." Lol my friend what an awful analogy, Samaritans is not there to stop people killing them selves and people who want to kill them selves are unlikely wanting to talk to some one The point being as my friend said my friend help is there, if they don’t want the help well nothing can be done, but plenty want to better themselves and there situation Keep making excuses if you like | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions." If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? | |||
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"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Lol my friend what an awful analogy, Samaritans is not there to stop people killing them selves and people who want to kill them selves are unlikely wanting to talk to some one The point being as my friend said my friend help is there, if they don’t want the help well nothing can be done, but plenty want to better themselves and there situation Keep making excuses if you like" The samaritans were set up to help people feeling suicidal. What do you think they actually do? | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female How? Omg, right, so at the consensual unprotected sex part there is no guarantee of being together forever so a chance of knowingly being a single parent. Domestic abuse in the future is to late as the 2 people had already made a decision and knew the possibilities of being a single parent Right the way back at the sex part So, don't have children ever then? There is the mirror Jay, holding it up to you and you are just looking in it a bit dumbfounded.. " Please read the comment I made in relation to your comment as I made it even more simplified for you Good luck my friend | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible?" Forget it Lionel, the bloke is on the wind up. If not, I hope he has access to some help,I really do. Poor chap. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female How? Omg, right, so at the consensual unprotected sex part there is no guarantee of being together forever so a chance of knowingly being a single parent. Domestic abuse in the future is to late as the 2 people had already made a decision and knew the possibilities of being a single parent Right the way back at the sex part So, don't have children ever then? There is the mirror Jay, holding it up to you and you are just looking in it a bit dumbfounded.. " Again, not what he said. What he said is take some personal responsibility. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female So, don't ever have a relationship now as well?? Wow my friend maybe simple debate is to much for you if you can’t keep up Where are you getting this from lol Erm, you. You just said 'you knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown'...your words. So, you are saying don't get into relationships because you could get hit. Mate, I'm just holding the mirror up to you and you are denying the reflection is you. I’m sorry my friend this is obviously confusing for you. So relax breath and read the following carefully, ONCE consensual unprotected sex has happened, there is a good chance a baby may appear yeah ? You following. Good now at that very point my friend there is no guarantee you will stay for ever with the partner, so if married, someone wins the lottery goes to prison becomes an astronaut it’s irrelevant. The chance and your decision has already been made. So just to recap for you. As you have had consented to unprotected sex with no guarantee of staying together. AT THAT VERY POINT there is a chance of not staying together , everyone knows this so yes it’s more than likely the persons fault they are a single parent as they made the choice to have a baby at that moment. Simple yeah ? On the other note not once did I say don’t have a baby my friend or a relationship, I’m saying take responsibility for YOUR LIFE CHOICES nothing wrong with single parents but it’s not an excuse that’s all Sorry my friend for the capitals I’m just amazed by people not understanding this simple premise, maybe I’m used to a certain level of knowledge and conversation my friend Right. You have denied this in the past but what you are saying is this. If you have a child with someone you need to make sure you are certain you will spend the rest of your life with them.. and if you don't.. for whatever reason..its your own fault In black and white that's what you are saying." Please refer to the part that says that there is nothing wrong with single parents, also no part do I say my friend don’t have a baby if your not certain, and also the part that says at the very very start you know there is a chance it may not be forever so if you then have a baby and it’s not forever then yes of course it’s very likely to be your fault I wish there was a simpler way to communicate with you my friend, as English, common sense, the written word and facts don’t seem to work for you | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible?" Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female So, don't ever have a relationship now as well?? Wow my friend maybe simple debate is to much for you if you can’t keep up Where are you getting this from lol Erm, you. You just said 'you knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown'...your words. So, you are saying don't get into relationships because you could get hit. Mate, I'm just holding the mirror up to you and you are denying the reflection is you. I’m sorry my friend this is obviously confusing for you. So relax breath and read the following carefully, ONCE consensual unprotected sex has happened, there is a good chance a baby may appear yeah ? You following. Good now at that very point my friend there is no guarantee you will stay for ever with the partner, so if married, someone wins the lottery goes to prison becomes an astronaut it’s irrelevant. The chance and your decision has already been made. So just to recap for you. As you have had consented to unprotected sex with no guarantee of staying together. AT THAT VERY POINT there is a chance of not staying together , everyone knows this so yes it’s more than likely the persons fault they are a single parent as they made the choice to have a baby at that moment. Simple yeah ? On the other note not once did I say don’t have a baby my friend or a relationship, I’m saying take responsibility for YOUR LIFE CHOICES nothing wrong with single parents but it’s not an excuse that’s all Sorry my friend for the capitals I’m just amazed by people not understanding this simple premise, maybe I’m used to a certain level of knowledge and conversation my friend Right. You have denied this in the past but what you are saying is this. If you have a child with someone you need to make sure you are certain you will spend the rest of your life with them.. and if you don't.. for whatever reason..its your own fault In black and white that's what you are saying. Please refer to the part that says that there is nothing wrong with single parents, also no part do I say my friend don’t have a baby if your not certain, and also the part that says at the very very start you know there is a chance it may not be forever so if you then have a baby and it’s not forever then yes of course it’s very likely to be your fault I wish there was a simpler way to communicate with you my friend, as English, common sense, the written word and facts don’t seem to work for you " I'll refer to you on several occasions saying single parents have only themselves to blame. I never mentioned anything about not having a baby. Your last paragraph is drowning in irony my friend. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Lol my friend what an awful analogy, Samaritans is not there to stop people killing them selves and people who want to kill them selves are unlikely wanting to talk to some one The point being as my friend said my friend help is there, if they don’t want the help well nothing can be done, but plenty want to better themselves and there situation Keep making excuses if you like The samaritans were set up to help people feeling suicidal. What do you think they actually do?" Lots of things on there website, if people are will to discuss suicide it’s a cry for help, not that they will actually kill them selves | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. " You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female How? Omg, right, so at the consensual unprotected sex part there is no guarantee of being together forever so a chance of knowingly being a single parent. Domestic abuse in the future is to late as the 2 people had already made a decision and knew the possibilities of being a single parent Right the way back at the sex part So, don't have children ever then? There is the mirror Jay, holding it up to you and you are just looking in it a bit dumbfounded.. Again, not what he said. What he said is take some personal responsibility." Personal responsibility if your partner turns violent after you had a child without any signs of violence or controlling behaviour before? And it happens, an awful lot. Look, I dunno if you two work in some tag team form of idiocy or in just all the forums in the world, you both came into this one. But I wish you luck and your friend. You can live in your world where it's dog eat dog and I'll live in mine where I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, empathise and just try and just try and be a bit human. Enjoy. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Lol my friend what an awful analogy, Samaritans is not there to stop people killing them selves and people who want to kill them selves are unlikely wanting to talk to some one The point being as my friend said my friend help is there, if they don’t want the help well nothing can be done, but plenty want to better themselves and there situation Keep making excuses if you like The samaritans were set up to help people feeling suicidal. What do you think they actually do? Lots of things on there website, if people are will to discuss suicide it’s a cry for help, not that they will actually kill them selves " It's not always a cry for help. I'm guessing they have prevented many people from killing them selves. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme." If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female So, don't ever have a relationship now as well?? Wow my friend maybe simple debate is to much for you if you can’t keep up Where are you getting this from lol Erm, you. You just said 'you knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown'...your words. So, you are saying don't get into relationships because you could get hit. Mate, I'm just holding the mirror up to you and you are denying the reflection is you. I’m sorry my friend this is obviously confusing for you. So relax breath and read the following carefully, ONCE consensual unprotected sex has happened, there is a good chance a baby may appear yeah ? You following. Good now at that very point my friend there is no guarantee you will stay for ever with the partner, so if married, someone wins the lottery goes to prison becomes an astronaut it’s irrelevant. The chance and your decision has already been made. So just to recap for you. As you have had consented to unprotected sex with no guarantee of staying together. AT THAT VERY POINT there is a chance of not staying together , everyone knows this so yes it’s more than likely the persons fault they are a single parent as they made the choice to have a baby at that moment. Simple yeah ? On the other note not once did I say don’t have a baby my friend or a relationship, I’m saying take responsibility for YOUR LIFE CHOICES nothing wrong with single parents but it’s not an excuse that’s all Sorry my friend for the capitals I’m just amazed by people not understanding this simple premise, maybe I’m used to a certain level of knowledge and conversation my friend Right. You have denied this in the past but what you are saying is this. If you have a child with someone you need to make sure you are certain you will spend the rest of your life with them.. and if you don't.. for whatever reason..its your own fault In black and white that's what you are saying. Please refer to the part that says that there is nothing wrong with single parents, also no part do I say my friend don’t have a baby if your not certain, and also the part that says at the very very start you know there is a chance it may not be forever so if you then have a baby and it’s not forever then yes of course it’s very likely to be your fault I wish there was a simpler way to communicate with you my friend, as English, common sense, the written word and facts don’t seem to work for you I'll refer to you on several occasions saying single parents have only themselves to blame. I never mentioned anything about not having a baby. Your last paragraph is drowning in irony my friend." You refer almost correctly, I said the following, likely there fault, but never said ALL or EVERY You are correct and I apologise my friend you didn’t say about not having a baby I misread your comment. It was constantly repeating myself on the simple subject and premise where I made the error, my apologies my friend To answer that part, again yes it is mainly or most likely your fault as you knew there was no guarantee at the very start, nothing wrong with that, that’s life but you can’t make excuses for your own life choices As the numerous times explaining this and the numerous points made, am I right now my friend as there was only that one sticking point with the mistake I made that you now finally understand ? | |||
"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female How? Omg, right, so at the consensual unprotected sex part there is no guarantee of being together forever so a chance of knowingly being a single parent. Domestic abuse in the future is to late as the 2 people had already made a decision and knew the possibilities of being a single parent Right the way back at the sex part So, don't have children ever then? There is the mirror Jay, holding it up to you and you are just looking in it a bit dumbfounded.. Again, not what he said. What he said is take some personal responsibility. Personal responsibility if your partner turns violent after you had a child without any signs of violence or controlling behaviour before? And it happens, an awful lot. Look, I dunno if you two work in some tag team form of idiocy or in just all the forums in the world, you both came into this one. But I wish you luck and your friend. You can live in your world where it's dog eat dog and I'll live in mine where I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, empathise and just try and just try and be a bit human. Enjoy." Still haven’t looked at the reply I simplified for you when I replied to a comment of yours earlier have you my friend , I will scroll up and post it for you my friend | |||
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"So basically you can only have a child if you are 100%certain you will be together for the rest of your life? Wow I’ve no idea my friend how you came up with that conclusion. Not sure where it says that anywhere in my post ? Are you saying if you are a single parent,you are responsible? Well every time you have a baby there is a very good chance of that, people are to quick to have a baby and don’t think of all the possibilities and being a single parent is one of them so yes my friend on most occasions it is there fault Harsh yes, but true my friend So..if you are a couple with a kid and your partner cheats and you kick him out..its your fault? If your partner batters you and you leave it's your fault? You know there is a chance you may end up single when you have a baby , a million different reasons why but still a chance So sorry yes , harsh but true So if you have a kid and your partner knocks fuck out of you and you pluck up the courage to leave.. its your fault? Gotcha. You knew there was a risk before the first punch was thrown male or female How? Omg, right, so at the consensual unprotected sex part there is no guarantee of being together forever so a chance of knowingly being a single parent. Domestic abuse in the future is to late as the 2 people had already made a decision and knew the possibilities of being a single parent Right the way back at the sex part So, don't have children ever then? There is the mirror Jay, holding it up to you and you are just looking in it a bit dumbfounded.. Again, not what he said. What he said is take some personal responsibility. Personal responsibility if your partner turns violent after you had a child without any signs of violence or controlling behaviour before? And it happens, an awful lot. Look, I dunno if you two work in some tag team form of idiocy or in just all the forums in the world, you both came into this one. But I wish you luck and your friend. You can live in your world where it's dog eat dog and I'll live in mine where I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, empathise and just try and just try and be a bit human. Enjoy." The thing about personal responsibility is that you are responsible for YOUR actions. The abusive partner is responsible for hitting their partner. The abused partner is responsible for how they handle it. They can spend tbe rest of their life blaming everything on it or they can move on and make a better life for themselves. The choice is theirs. | |||
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"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Lol my friend what an awful analogy, Samaritans is not there to stop people killing them selves and people who want to kill them selves are unlikely wanting to talk to some one The point being as my friend said my friend help is there, if they don’t want the help well nothing can be done, but plenty want to better themselves and there situation Keep making excuses if you like The samaritans were set up to help people feeling suicidal. What do you think they actually do? Lots of things on there website, if people are will to discuss suicide it’s a cry for help, not that they will actually kill them selves It's not always a cry for help. I'm guessing they have prevented many people from killing them selves." My friend they are a great resource, and I’m sure there work is excellent but on this occasion I’m sure we are both partly right and partly wrong Unlike the other thing my friend where your completely wrong lol | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault?" Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors." Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting " They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist " My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? " Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. " My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles " Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society." My friend Steven Gerrard became Steven Gerrard, a guy from a council estate became one of the best players in the world. Look at Ronaldos story my friend Capitalism and triangles, my friend I feel so bad for you, people, anyone can start a business and become successful The only thing holding you back is you You said not everyone can make it and that’s true , but anyone can make it. You need to decide if your a winner and a go getter who works hard and ignores negativity or be a loser, make excuses wait for handout and think the world is against you Change your way of negative thinking and change your life my friend, excuses are just excuses | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society. My friend Steven Gerrard became Steven Gerrard, a guy from a council estate became one of the best players in the world. Look at Ronaldos story my friend Capitalism and triangles, my friend I feel so bad for you, people, anyone can start a business and become successful The only thing holding you back is you You said not everyone can make it and that’s true , but anyone can make it. You need to decide if your a winner and a go getter who works hard and ignores negativity or be a loser, make excuses wait for handout and think the world is against you Change your way of negative thinking and change your life my friend, excuses are just excuses" If you start a business and the arse falls out of the economy..and you go bust.Who is to blame? Look what's happening to some of the big shops. Businesses go bust every single day . You really do have a simplistic way of thinking. Just having a "can do"attitude doesn't mean it's going to happen. There is a difference between being negative and realistic. | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society. My friend Steven Gerrard became Steven Gerrard, a guy from a council estate became one of the best players in the world. Look at Ronaldos story my friend Capitalism and triangles, my friend I feel so bad for you, people, anyone can start a business and become successful The only thing holding you back is you You said not everyone can make it and that’s true , but anyone can make it. You need to decide if your a winner and a go getter who works hard and ignores negativity or be a loser, make excuses wait for handout and think the world is against you Change your way of negative thinking and change your life my friend, excuses are just excuses If you start a business and the arse falls out of the economy..and you go bust.Who is to blame? Look what's happening to some of the big shops. Businesses go bust every single day . You really do have a simplistic way of thinking. Just having a "can do"attitude doesn't mean it's going to happen. There is a difference between being negative and realistic." My friend you do love a tangent to go off on sir, again By all means keep making excuses and holding yourself and others back, wait for the hand outs, keep watching countdown and hope for the best Keep complaining that life is stacked against you and don’t take responsibility for your own actions Negativity is for the weak and scared and personally I feel with a slight change and removal of the victim hood mentality you and other around you can move onwards and upwards Never settle, keep moving forward my friend | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society. My friend Steven Gerrard became Steven Gerrard, a guy from a council estate became one of the best players in the world. Look at Ronaldos story my friend Capitalism and triangles, my friend I feel so bad for you, people, anyone can start a business and become successful The only thing holding you back is you You said not everyone can make it and that’s true , but anyone can make it. You need to decide if your a winner and a go getter who works hard and ignores negativity or be a loser, make excuses wait for handout and think the world is against you Change your way of negative thinking and change your life my friend, excuses are just excuses If you start a business and the arse falls out of the economy..and you go bust.Who is to blame? Look what's happening to some of the big shops. Businesses go bust every single day . You really do have a simplistic way of thinking. Just having a "can do"attitude doesn't mean it's going to happen. There is a difference between being negative and realistic. My friend you do love a tangent to go off on sir, again By all means keep making excuses and holding yourself and others back, wait for the hand outs, keep watching countdown and hope for the best Keep complaining that life is stacked against you and don’t take responsibility for your own actions Negativity is for the weak and scared and personally I feel with a slight change and removal of the victim hood mentality you and other around you can move onwards and upwards Never settle, keep moving forward my friend " These handouts you keep referring too... | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society. My friend Steven Gerrard became Steven Gerrard, a guy from a council estate became one of the best players in the world. Look at Ronaldos story my friend Capitalism and triangles, my friend I feel so bad for you, people, anyone can start a business and become successful The only thing holding you back is you You said not everyone can make it and that’s true , but anyone can make it. You need to decide if your a winner and a go getter who works hard and ignores negativity or be a loser, make excuses wait for handout and think the world is against you Change your way of negative thinking and change your life my friend, excuses are just excuses If you start a business and the arse falls out of the economy..and you go bust.Who is to blame? Look what's happening to some of the big shops. Businesses go bust every single day . You really do have a simplistic way of thinking. Just having a "can do"attitude doesn't mean it's going to happen. There is a difference between being negative and realistic. My friend you do love a tangent to go off on sir, again By all means keep making excuses and holding yourself and others back, wait for the hand outs, keep watching countdown and hope for the best Keep complaining that life is stacked against you and don’t take responsibility for your own actions Negativity is for the weak and scared and personally I feel with a slight change and removal of the victim hood mentality you and other around you can move onwards and upwards Never settle, keep moving forward my friend These handouts you keep referring too..." Just part of the mentality my friend, but glad your ok with the rest | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society. My friend Steven Gerrard became Steven Gerrard, a guy from a council estate became one of the best players in the world. Look at Ronaldos story my friend Capitalism and triangles, my friend I feel so bad for you, people, anyone can start a business and become successful The only thing holding you back is you You said not everyone can make it and that’s true , but anyone can make it. You need to decide if your a winner and a go getter who works hard and ignores negativity or be a loser, make excuses wait for handout and think the world is against you Change your way of negative thinking and change your life my friend, excuses are just excuses If you start a business and the arse falls out of the economy..and you go bust.Who is to blame? Look what's happening to some of the big shops. Businesses go bust every single day . You really do have a simplistic way of thinking. Just having a "can do"attitude doesn't mean it's going to happen. There is a difference between being negative and realistic. My friend you do love a tangent to go off on sir, again By all means keep making excuses and holding yourself and others back, wait for the hand outs, keep watching countdown and hope for the best Keep complaining that life is stacked against you and don’t take responsibility for your own actions Negativity is for the weak and scared and personally I feel with a slight change and removal of the victim hood mentality you and other around you can move onwards and upwards Never settle, keep moving forward my friend These handouts you keep referring too... Just part of the mentality my friend, but glad your ok with the rest " What mentality? I work so where I can these "handouts? | |||
"Sorry my friends Peoples were going of on different tangents No idea where teenage pregnancy came from as we wernt discussing that, so my friend I will break it dawn as simply as I can. Would be helpful to you if you answered these following questions my friend 1: I know you are a prickly pear for percentages so I will go low. Would you say yes or no 80% of babies come from consensual unprotected sex ? 2: if a male or a female has a baby through consensual unprotected sex while at any age, no matter if in a relationship or not or forever how long. Is there a 100% certainty they will be together with the babies mum or dad forever ? So obviously the 2 answers are no so if you are a male or female and are single with a baby, as you had consensual unprotected sex with no 100% certainty of being with the partner , YES in most occasions it is there fault they are a single parent Of course death and sexual assault is different my friend This is exactly what you said. Going by that logic, nobody should ever have children ever again. Hilarious!! So, just so we are crystal clear. Nobody should have a child unless they can guarantee 100% they will not split up with their partner?? Where has he said they shouldn't have a child? He is pointing out that anyone that has a child does so because they are the ones that made it and so it is their responsibility to do what is needed to look after it. Its about taking personal accountability which many refuse to do. As this thread is about refugees we shall use them as an example. These people have a horrible life, maybe many children, no money and come from a place with no opportunities. They didn't sit around waiting for someone else to sort it out for them. Instead they did what is needed to make a better life. They travel thousands of miles to an alien society with no guarantees and made it happen. There are numerous opportunities if you are willing to put in the effort, i know single mums that have worked/studied/saved and dug themselves out of the hole they fell into. Conversely i also know some that just moan how hard they have it but dont do anything to change it. No one said they shouldn't have a child(see bella and Jack's response above) Do you have some stats to back up your claim that "many refuse to take personal responsibility" A lot depends on your circumstances. The argument that if you just work hard it will get there is hugely flawed.he We don't live in an egalitarian society. The dice are loaded. The argument isn't "if you just work hard". The refugees i used as an example didnt live in an egalitatian society, nor did they move to one or get any state help. If someone from a war zone that has lost all of their possessions and maybe even their friends and family can change thier life then so can anyone in a country where there are state benefits, education and help, mental heath services and numerous opportunities. But what your theory bypasses is everybody is different. Very easy to say, a lot harder to do. Some people are mentally equipped to do so, some are not. Poor mental health, anxiety, depression. Now, if it were that simple, nobody would ever commit suicide for example. There would be no alcoholics, drug addicts, child abuse, bullying, basically any social problem you can think of. It's wonderful for you to say 'just pull your socks up and get on with it'. The reality for a lot of people is not that easy. It can depend on your upbringing, your family, your self confidence...so many factors. It's so simplistic to judge others as being lazy, or it's their fault when you have absolutely no clue to what their loved reality has been or what is going on for them mentally. Ive not bypassed anything, i addressed the fact that for everyone of those disadvantages there is help available. Its up to the individual to use it. If the individual can use it.....the Samaritans are there 24/7, people still kill themselves.. Yes, they kill themselves. Without wanting to sound callous, that is their choice and their actions. I will fully concede that there may well be external causes however we are responsible for our own actions. If you are abused as a kid and cant handle the guilt and kill yourself...are you 100% responsible? Responsible for the abuse, no. Responsible for killing yourself, yes. You realise the 2 are linked? Without the abuse they wouldnt have taken their own life. People should of course take responsibly for their own actions,but to ignore a multitude of external matters is naive in the extreme. If a man kills his wife because she cheated is it the wifes fault? Morally..the woman is in the wrong to have an affair but if course the man takes responsibility for the murder.But without the affair there would be mo murder. However it doesn't compare with the suicide. A more apt comparison would have been an abusive husband who is killed by his wife. Like I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions but to agreatr and lesser degree,we are also shaped by external factors. Good morning my friend, I hope your good You say “ I said previously everyone is responsible for their actions “ ok very interesting They are but you cant pretend external factors don't exist My friend but not sure what external factors are relevant on what we were discussing? Ok..let's use the argument that you can be what ever you want to be in life.If you want you can get to the top..you can be a billionaire. Theoretically that is possible. However its also relevant that if you come from a poorer background,the odds are stacked firmly against you. My friend no, just no This is the thinking that holds people, races, nations and generations back My friend never let anybody tell you that you can’t be what you want to be ( Spider-Man I agree is a stretch ) I pray and I say this with good meaning that you are not a school teacher and please please if you are a father never tell your children this Nothing can hold you back, there are millions of rags to riches stories, hard work successes, time, effort and talent successes, people living out there dreams Please don’t be the one that holds people back or destroys dreams I hope one day my friend your thinking will become more open and love enters your heart and you no longer hold yourself back with can’ts and wonts and obstacles Like I said theoretically its possible. I wanna be the next Steven Gerrard but it's not going to happen. 1st of all capitalism is like a triangle.Only so many people can be at the top so therefore the argument that everyone can make it is hugely flawed. If you go to private school.. oxford..dad has a top job etc you have a hugely greater chance of success than someone from a poorer background. That is a fact. We don't live in an egalitarian society. My friend Steven Gerrard became Steven Gerrard, a guy from a council estate became one of the best players in the world. Look at Ronaldos story my friend Capitalism and triangles, my friend I feel so bad for you, people, anyone can start a business and become successful The only thing holding you back is you You said not everyone can make it and that’s true , but anyone can make it. You need to decide if your a winner and a go getter who works hard and ignores negativity or be a loser, make excuses wait for handout and think the world is against you Change your way of negative thinking and change your life my friend, excuses are just excuses If you start a business and the arse falls out of the economy..and you go bust.Who is to blame? Look what's happening to some of the big shops. Businesses go bust every single day . You really do have a simplistic way of thinking. Just having a "can do"attitude doesn't mean it's going to happen. There is a difference between being negative and realistic. My friend you do love a tangent to go off on sir, again By all means keep making excuses and holding yourself and others back, wait for the hand outs, keep watching countdown and hope for the best Keep complaining that life is stacked against you and don’t take responsibility for your own actions Negativity is for the weak and scared and personally I feel with a slight change and removal of the victim hood mentality you and other around you can move onwards and upwards Never settle, keep moving forward my friend These handouts you keep referring too... Just part of the mentality my friend, but glad your ok with the rest What mentality? I work so where I can these "handouts?" Wow let’s not go round in circles Again like you led us on yesterday my friend I’ve not the time or energy to explain multiple times in increasingly easier ways for you to understand what is already fully explained I suppose in layman’s terms: your mentality of the victim, excuse makes, the world is against me, want everything handed to me with out working for it, not taking responsibility for your actions etc Any questions my friend please refer to the thread and re read | |||
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"You realise to be successfully patronising you need to have the intellect and vocabulary to back it up? Good effort though. Here is an external factor. Men starts business.. uses house as collateral. Things are fine then economy crashes. Business goes under. That's not his fault.. an external factor resulted in that situation . And all the talk of excuses and handouts don't detract from that. Its called real life." It’s called real life, lol that excuse is so you my friend Suppose businesses are not meant to have precautionary measures in place ? So if they didn’t and just ran the business week to week is it not his fault ? External factors, where is the line drawn, weather to hot, rubbish music on the radio, unusually low rainfall for the time of year, could only find odd socks, ran out of sugar, stuck at a red light. Are these ok excuses also for business failure as wall as not being prepared ? Bet you can find a way to blame someone else or something else for all the things that go wrong for you, can’t possibly by your fault my friend The victim lives Please refer to thread and re read | |||
