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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

”My thoughts are with the loved ones of those who tragically lost their lives in the Channel today. We have offered the French authorities every support as they investigate this terrible incident and will do all we can to crack down on the ruthless criminal gangs who prey on vulnerable people by facilitating these dangerous journeys.” - PM statement on this tragedy.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"”My thoughts are with the loved ones of those who tragically lost their lives in the Channel today. We have offered the French authorities every support as they investigate this terrible incident and will do all we can to crack down on the ruthless criminal gangs who prey on vulnerable people by facilitating these dangerous journeys.” - PM statement on this tragedy."

Are they still labelling lawyers who represent migrants as 'activists?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes."
I do not think that any country in the world tolerates illegal immigration. If provision is made for people who have a genuine refugee status , any responsible government in any country throughout the world has an obligation to stop illegal immigration.

As Pritis parents were immigrants she is in an excellent position to understand the issues involved and take action to resolve them .

A good starting point might be to remove funding for some of the left wing lawyers who are determined to milk the system

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes. I do not think that any country in the world tolerates illegal immigration. If provision is made for people who have a genuine refugee status , any responsible government in any country throughout the world has an obligation to stop illegal immigration.

As Pritis parents were immigrants she is in an excellent position to understand the issues involved and take action to resolve them .

A good starting point might be to remove funding for some of the left wing lawyers who are determined to milk the system "

Can you really be so indoctrinated?

I'll just leave this link here. "More than 800 former judges and legal professionals have signed a letter accusing Boris Johnson and Priti Patel of "hostility" towards lawyers representing migrants seeking asylum."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54687081

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes."

Which island is that then?

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By *adetMan over a year ago

Ipswich

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes.

Which island is that then? "

There is no plan to send them to an island and there never was

Some people seem to be obsessed with being on the side of the 'underdog' to the detriment of thinking about the problem rationally

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

As Pritis parents were immigrants she is in an excellent position to understand the issues involved and take action to resolve them .

A good starting point might be to remove funding for some of the left wing lawyers who are determined to milk the system "

Unbelievable.

Well and truly unbelievable

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes.

Which island is that then?

There is no plan to send them to an island and there never was

Some people seem to be obsessed with being on the side of the 'underdog' to the detriment of thinking about the problem rationally "

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-10-explores-sending-asylum-seekers-to-moldova-morocco-and-papua-new-guinea

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

I'm very often wrong on here and hold my hands up.

Let's see if others are the same

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By *adetMan over a year ago

Ipswich

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes.

Which island is that then?

There is no plan to send them to an island and there never was

Some people seem to be obsessed with being on the side of the 'underdog' to the detriment of thinking about the problem rationally

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-10-explores-sending-asylum-seekers-to-moldova-morocco-and-papua-new-guinea"

So the government EXPLORED all the options then. That's what a government should do

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes.

Which island is that then?

There is no plan to send them to an island and there never was

Some people seem to be obsessed with being on the side of the 'underdog' to the detriment of thinking about the problem rationally

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-10-explores-sending-asylum-seekers-to-moldova-morocco-and-papua-new-guinea

So the government EXPLORED all the options then. That's what a government should do "

There is no plan to send these to an island

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By *adetMan over a year ago

Ipswich

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes.

Which island is that then?

There is no plan to send them to an island and there never was

Some people seem to be obsessed with being on the side of the 'underdog' to the detriment of thinking about the problem rationally

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-10-explores-sending-asylum-seekers-to-moldova-morocco-and-papua-new-guinea

So the government EXPLORED all the options then. That's what a government should do

There is no plan to send these to an island"

I'll hear almost any argument against a Tory government but constantly chasing shadows helps no one

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

The anti migrant rhetoric has without a doubt being ramped up in recent years and there seems little opposition to Patel's schemes.

Which island is that then?

There is no plan to send them to an island and there never was

Some people seem to be obsessed with being on the side of the 'underdog' to the detriment of thinking about the problem rationally

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-10-explores-sending-asylum-seekers-to-moldova-morocco-and-papua-new-guinea

So the government EXPLORED all the options then. That's what a government should do

There is no plan to send these to an island

I'll hear almost any argument against a Tory government but constantly chasing shadows helps no one"

When you are wrong about something, dont keep on digging.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

As Pritis parents were immigrants she is in an excellent position to understand the issues involved and take action to resolve them .

A good starting point might be to remove funding for some of the left wing lawyers who are determined to milk the system "

Are you for real Pat?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Didnt know how to headline this.

4 drowned..a couple of kids too.

Usual noises from the gmnt who are still planning to stick them on an island in the middle of the atlantic

As Pritis parents were immigrants she is in an excellent position to understand the issues involved and take action to resolve them .

A good starting point might be to remove funding for some of the left wing lawyers who are determined to milk the system

Are you for real Pat? "

He cant be.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Are they still labelling lawyers who represent migrants as 'activists?"
Fuck me lionel is there no depths you will sink to.The government didnt put these people in the boat, maybe have a look at your eu friends not doing enough for these people then maybe they would not take such drastic measures to get to the uk.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

Are they still labelling lawyers who represent migrants as 'activists?Fuck me lionel is there no depths you will sink to.The government didnt put these people in the boat, maybe have a look at your eu friends not doing enough for these people then maybe they would not take such drastic measures to get to the uk."

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now ."
No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Very sad. Will only get worse from here on out with the conditions in the channel over winter.

I should imagine there will be a rush to try and get over before Brexit.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man."

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

What is it with brexiters here using the word ‘man! In every other sentence? Is it a code between enlightened people?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Very sad. Will only get worse from here on out with the conditions in the channel over winter.

I should imagine there will be a rush to try and get over before Brexit. "

There was a human rights lawyer on 5 live last night.

Apparently until recently, when they got to Calais they could apply for status and it could be processed over here.

That's stopped now which is why so many are risking the crossing.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"What is it with brexiters here using the word ‘man! In every other sentence? Is it a code between enlightened people?

Maybe they are all hippies?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

"
Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick."

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?"
yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels."

You are not taking this being called our for being wrong thing,not too well are you?

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple over a year ago

london

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels."

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels.

You are not taking this being called our for being wrong thing,not too well are you?"
Deflect all you like

I think its admirable that a good socialist like yourself is worried about lawyers.The very people who earn thousands just by dither and delay hanging everything out for as long as possible so they can charge an extra £75 for sending another letter.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels.

You are not taking this being called our for being wrong thing,not too well are you?Deflect all you like

Can you post a link on how much they earn?

Cheers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels.

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Well said, I must say.

He never stops, day after day after day.

One wonders if he actually pays taxes........??

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .No mate you are, this is a disaster it is not political its very sad but to try to use it as a stick to beat the government get a grip man.

Read.

The.

Link.

Patel has blasted the lawyers reprepresenting the migrants

They have written to complain.

And you accuse me of use it as a stick to beat the gmnt?

Why start a topic on migrants dying instead of patel blasting lawyers? you knew what you were doing your not thick.

The migrants are coming here.

Lawyers are representing them

Can you not see the link?yes i can that is not the point and you know it,i can see what you were trying to imply along with no doubt others too.In my book your political bias has sank to new levels.

****************************************

Well said, I must say.

He never stops, day after day after day.

One wonders if he actually pays taxes........??"

And that is your business how?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

I'm accused of distracting yet its moved from migrants drowning to a rather bizarre question of if I pay taxes.

Presumably if I didnt,I wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I'm accused of distracting yet its moved from migrants drowning to a rather bizarre question of if I pay taxes.

Presumably if I didnt,I wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion."
to be fair lionel you said 4drowned two of them kids and that was it on that subject the rest was about the government

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"I'm accused of distracting yet its moved from migrants drowning to a rather bizarre question of if I pay taxes.

Presumably if I didnt,I wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. to be fair lionel you said 4drowned two of them kids and that was it on that subject the rest was about the government "

And the connection with me paying taxes is?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I'm accused of distracting yet its moved from migrants drowning to a rather bizarre question of if I pay taxes.

Presumably if I didnt,I wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. to be fair lionel you said 4drowned two of them kids and that was it on that subject the rest was about the government

And the connection with me paying taxes is?"
i never mentioned you paying taxes that’s nothing to do with me mate

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

If you cant see the link..you are choosing not too.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"I'm accused of distracting yet its moved from migrants drowning to a rather bizarre question of if I pay taxes.

Presumably if I didnt,I wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. to be fair lionel you said 4drowned two of them kids and that was it on that subject the rest was about the government

And the connection with me paying taxes is?i never mentioned you paying taxes that’s nothing to do with me mate "

I didn't say you

It was questioned if I pay taxes

I'm waiting for an answer, as to both the relevance and the business.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

If you cant see the link..you are choosing not too."
you could aim some of yr anger at France it’ was just of the coast of Dunkirk that’s where the migrants are leaving from in the boats owned by criminals if the french wanted to save there lives I’m sure they could it can’t be that hard to stop. Two little kids drowned it’s shocking my heart goes out to them

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

If you cant see the link..you are choosing not too.you could aim some of yr anger at France it’ was just of the coast of Dunkirk that’s where the migrants are leaving from in the boats owned by criminals if the french wanted to save there lives I’m sure they could it can’t be that hard to stop. Two little kids drowned it’s shocking my heart goes out to them "

Look at what I posted about what the human rights lawyer said

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

Look at what I posted about what the human rights lawyer said "
france don’t let them apply for asylum there now and don’t make much of an effort to stop them loading on to boats to come here yet you point the finger at our government and not the French yet this happened of there coast in french waters

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

Look at what I posted about what the human rights lawyer said france don’t let them apply for asylum there now and don’t make much of an effort to stop them loading on to boats to come here yet you point the finger at our government and not the French yet this happened of there coast in french waters "

I was pointing out the contradiction in a gmnt expressing sympathy whilst looking at way they can ship them off to an island.

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By *ssexbloke72Man over a year ago

Poplar

Lionel I have a fair and honest question to ask you.

Do you think anyone and everyone should be able to come to the UK to live whenever they feel like it?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

I was pointing out the contradiction in a gmnt expressing sympathy whilst looking at way they can ship them off to an island."
bit like the french expressing sympathy whilst allowing this tragedy to happen

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Lionel I have a fair and honest question to ask you.

Do you think anyone and everyone should be able to come to the UK to live whenever they feel like it?"

I think if they have a come from a difficult background or a dangerous situation, then we have a duty of care to take them in.

Obviously if someone comes looking for work.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

I was pointing out the contradiction in a gmnt expressing sympathy whilst looking at way they can ship them off to an island.bit like the french expressing sympathy whilst allowing this tragedy to happen "

They were not heading to France

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By *ssexbloke72Man over a year ago

Poplar

"Lionel I have a fair and honest question to ask you.

Do you think anyone and everyone should be able to come to the UK to live whenever they feel like it?

I think if they have a come from a difficult background or a dangerous situation, then we have a duty of care to take them in.

Obviously if someone comes looking for work."

You didn't really answer the question but I'm not surprised.

However you say a duty of care therefore why do France or any other EU countries the migrants travel through carry out the duty of care?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

They were not heading to France "
because France won’t allow them asylum but they were in France then loaded onto a boat in France then in french water do you not think France owe them a duty of care then ?

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple over a year ago

london

They came from france,

A safe country,no wars or that going on,

Ask yourself why they want to come here,

Doesn't take much working out does it.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

They were not heading to France "

I think France has a duty of care to not allow this to happen in their waters. It seems very much they are prepared to let people take extreme risks in order for it to becomes someone else’s problem.

They should be shutting down these criminal gangs but unfortunately it seems they don’t regard the human cost as an issue.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

They were not heading to France

They should be shutting down these criminal gangs but unfortunately it seems they don’t regard the human cost as an issue. "
exactly that

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Lionel I have a fair and honest question to ask you.

Do you think anyone and everyone should be able to come to the UK to live whenever they feel like it?

I think if they have a come from a difficult background or a dangerous situation, then we have a duty of care to take them in.

Obviously if someone comes looking for work.

You didn't really answer the question but I'm not surprised.

However you say a duty of care therefore why do France or any other EU countries the migrants travel through carry out the duty of care?"

How didn't I answer the question?

If they are fleeing turmoil at home,we have a duty of care of care to take them in,under the human rights act.

If they are not ,their situation will be assessed one case by case basis.

As it stands we deport about 2 thousands migrants each year.

I obviously dont know the miniatue of each case.

Should we accept every single person who comes here?

I don't know..its a tough one .obviously at some point you would have to look at stuff like housing etc.

There have been stories for years about us being overrun but it has never happened.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"They came from france,

A safe country,no wars or that going on,

Ask yourself why they want to come here,

Doesn't take much working out does it."

Well tell me

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple over a year ago

london

My duty of care ends with me looking after my family,end off

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"My duty of care ends with me looking after my family,end off"

Standard.

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple over a year ago

london

"They came from france,

A safe country,no wars or that going on,

Ask yourself why they want to come here,

Doesn't take much working out does it.

Well tell me"
for the benefits lionel

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

They were not heading to France because France won’t allow them asylum but they were in France then loaded onto a boat in France then in french water do you not think France owe them a duty of care then ?"

France took on 330,547 asylum seekers in 2017

So where are you getting your info from?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"They came from france,

A safe country,no wars or that going on,

Ask yourself why they want to come here,

Doesn't take much working out does it.

Well tell me for the benefits lionel"

Well obviously

So they can live a life of luxury.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

They were not heading to France

They should be shutting down these criminal gangs but unfortunately it seems they don’t regard the human cost as an issue. "

And we have no responsibility?

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple over a year ago

london

None whatsoever

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"As for the link with the gmnt

The migrants drowned tried to reach here

The gmnt put out a statement saying how sorry they are

This is the same gmnt who are demonising lawyers protecting these migrants.

They were not heading to France

They should be shutting down these criminal gangs but unfortunately it seems they don’t regard the human cost as an issue.

And we have no responsibility?"

We don’t have a responsibility for physically stopping the criminal gangs in France no. That lies with them so no more lives should be lost. We should stop the people traffickers in this sordid trade this side of the channel. Yes very much so.

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now ."

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Lionel I have a fair and honest question to ask you.

Do you think anyone and everyone should be able to come to the UK to live whenever they feel like it?

I think if they have a come from a difficult background or a dangerous situation, then we have a duty of care to take them in.

Obviously if someone comes looking for work.

You didn't really answer the question but I'm not surprised.

However you say a duty of care therefore why do France or any other EU countries the migrants travel through carry out the duty of care?

How didn't I answer the question?

If they are fleeing turmoil at home,we have a duty of care of care to take them in,under the human rights act.

If they are not ,their situation will be assessed one case by case basis.

As it stands we deport about 2 thousands migrants each year.

I obviously dont know the miniatue of each case.

Should we accept every single person who comes here?

I don't know..its a tough one .obviously at some point you would have to look at stuff like housing etc.

There have been stories for years about us being overrun but it has never happened."
I thought the duty of care was the first safe country they land in you can’t claim asylum for a country yr not in

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue. "

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

This has been going on for decades. An increasing number of criminal gangs will encourage more to take desperate measures and profit from them.

Politicians pay lip service as it doesn’t impact on them. They see immigrants, legal or not as a source of cheaper au pairs and an increased choice of ethnic restaurants.

If the migrants were politicians and lawyers, it would soon be stopped.

Just heard a guy on the radio claim it’s climate change that’s driving this. What about the Chinese impact? Mopping up jobs world wide, I always think it a great shame when you see all the ‘merchants’ on the beaches around the Med selling stuff made in Asia - mainly China. Controlled by whom?

Just a few thoughts by the way. Not claiming I have the solution and my heart does go out to anyone in such desperate circumstances.

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration "

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Just put yourself in the position of a UK citizen who is living in poverty, you would resent those who are arriving in the UK as economic or illegal immigrants who then cost the taxpayer to deal with.

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer. "

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

And secondly is the £37:75 per week than an asylum seeker gets really as much of a drain as say. Not collecting taxes from the tax dodgers, or the £100 mil the Tories paid their mates for PPE that was defective?

It's the classic tactic "the reason you're poor is those other poor people over there, don't worry about all this other stuff happening, nothing to see here, keep looking at those lads on a small dinghy in the sea"

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyhow. Anyone who thinks that all their problems are caused by a small group of poor people. And don't question those in power, and who have all the money... Is likely to be so indoctrinated that any discourse on the matter isn't likely to be fruitful.

I regret joining the discussion.

Have a good day everyone.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal."
that is not what you said this is.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer. "

Ah the old looking after our own argument.

From a gmnt willing to let kids go hungry.

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By *ssexbloke72Man over a year ago

Poplar

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal."

If it asylum they are after they can do that in the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth EU country they enter before getting on board a dingy to cross the English Channel.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"Anyhow. Anyone who thinks that all their problems are caused by a small group of poor people. And don't question those in power, and who have all the money... Is likely to be so indoctrinated that any discourse on the matter isn't likely to be fruitful.

I regret joining the discussion.

Have a good day everyone. "

Doesnt take much

Blame all our problems on a group of people.

Preferably disadvantaged

Few headlines in the mail

Hey Presto

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal.

If it asylum they are after they can do that in the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth EU country they enter before getting on board a dingy to cross the English Channel. "

You realise turkey and Germany take in much more immigrants than us?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal.

If it asylum they are after they can do that in the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth EU country they enter before getting on board a dingy to cross the English Channel. "
we all know why they want to come to the U.K. even Lionel knows I would want to come here if I was in there shoes don’t think I’d want it badly enough to risk my kids lives tho but I can understand why but it’s the french who are to blame for letting this happen on there beach’s and shores

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal.

If it asylum they are after they can do that in the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth EU country they enter before getting on board a dingy to cross the English Channel.

You realise turkey and Germany take in much more immigrants than us?"
would France take them in if they were on our beach’s and getting into boats I think not

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal.

If it asylum they are after they can do that in the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth EU country they enter before getting on board a dingy to cross the English Channel. we all know why they want to come to the U.K. even Lionel knows I would want to come here if I was in there shoes don’t think I’d want it badly enough to risk my kids lives tho but I can understand why but it’s the french who are to blame for letting this happen on there beach’s and shores "

Explain this to me

A migrant family lands on France

Where are you heading?(in french)

We want to Go England

What can the French do to stop this exactly?

Lock them up

Like I said before there used to be an agreement where Tory would stay there,and we would process their application.

That has now gone.

How is that the French,'fault.

There should be communication between the 2 countries.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal.

If it asylum they are after they can do that in the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth EU country they enter before getting on board a dingy to cross the English Channel.

You realise turkey and Germany take in much more immigrants than us? would France take them in if they were on our beach’s and getting into boats I think not "

You said before French didnt take ayslum seekers.

I gave you stats which disproved this

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

There is no depths I wont sink too?

Have you actually read that link above?

Seriously..you are just embarrassing yourself now .

Question..

How many "safe" countries do the migrants cross to get to the UK?

Another question..

Those poor souls who died in the container recently trying to get from Vietnam to the UK, why did they pay more to be transported by criminals than the cost for a flight?

There is a bigger fundamental issue that needs addressing. Most are economic migrants with nothing to offer the UK, hence why they cannot legitimately apply to come to the UK.

As unfortunate as it may seem, the UK has its own issue with people living in poverty without adding unnecessarily to the issue.

People living in poverty here is nothing whatever to do with immigration

No, but they are a problem that needs to be resolved.

Surely the problems already here are far more important than the plight of someone with no legal rights to be here?

Surely that money could be better spent on helping our own citizens to a better way of life.

Millions are lost into a legal system where the fates of those immigrants is decided.

The current system needs to be overhauled to make it more efficient and better value for the taxpayer.

It's amazing to see the results of anti immigrant propaganda in action.

Firstly immigration is a net positive effect on the UK economy.

People seeking asylum aren't illegal.

If it asylum they are after they can do that in the first, second, third, fourth or even fifth EU country they enter before getting on board a dingy to cross the English Channel.

You realise turkey and Germany take in much more immigrants than us? would France take them in if they were on our beach’s and getting into boats I think not

You said before French didnt take ayslum seekers.

I gave you stats which disproved this "

Selling drugs is illegal, I'm sure the majority of us want it curbed..

Murder is illegal, I'm sure none of us want to be murdered..

Theft is illegal, anyone who has suffered theft will agree..

So why is it so difficult to understand that stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into the UK, who incidentally, are economic migrants and not political ones, needs to be stopped.

If you have a legitimate reason to claim asylum then do so through legitimate means.

If you have some skill you can offer to benefit the UK, apply legitimately.

If you want to live somewhere where you can work illegally for better pay than you could earn in your home country while having access to free medical care, then sorry, you are not welcome.

Illegal immigrants don t turn up at the nearest council or immigration office to register they are here, they disappear, working cash in hand doing labouring work or waiters in restaurants, earning less than minimum wage.

The people who employ them have no interest in paying the taxes they should.

So everything about it is illegal.

They are an additional cost and a burden on our society.

They have no legitimate reason to be in the UK, they choose to come here because it's more beneficial to be in the UK than any other EU state.

Most legitimate refugees wouldn't travel thousands of miles across safe countries if there wasn't a good financial reason to do so.