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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.”" Staggering especially as you say she is supposed to be promoting green economies. I know some will say well we also waste money which of course is true but that does not excuse further waste. 2 wrongs don't make a right. A suspect its the tip of the iceberg | |||
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"But was her plane as pretty as boriss with that new million squid paint job?" How many squids?  If i've told you once i've told you a millipede times not exaggerate.  | |||
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"But was her plane as pretty as boriss with that new million squid paint job?" Of course it just had to have something to do with Boris didn't it? | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.”" The Euro parliament decamps from Brussels once per month to go to Strasbourg at a cost of a £130 million each time. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” The Euro parliament decamps from Brussels once per month to go to Strasbourg at a cost of a £130 million each time." Well know we are out of the eu I'm sure the gmnt will not waste a single penny Well apart from that £11b they have squirelled away | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Staggering especially as you say she is supposed to be promoting green economies. I know some will say well we also waste money which of course is true but that does not excuse further waste. 2 wrongs don't make a right. A suspect its the tip of the iceberg " Precisely, our Parliament wastes staggering sums already, at least we’ve stopped giving them more of our money to piss up the wall in Brussels | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in " Are you saying its not true | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true" Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever." I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue" Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet 
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?"Is that a yes or a no? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?"Does she use private jets to go to meetings Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government
Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar."They are still private jets How is she expected to get to a country thousands of miles away? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
"So you finally agree its true | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true"I didn't say it was untrue I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?"What part of the story is a lie? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?"Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?"She took a private jet from Brussels to London (Eurostar two hours) and Brussels to Berlin (ICE two and a half hours), it’s in the story. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
She took a private jet from Brussels to London (Eurostar two hours) and Brussels to Berlin (ICE two and a half hours), it’s in the story. "Tel Aviv is mentioned in the story Farage took a private jet to stasbourg Considering he is always mouthing off about the gravy train,where is the daily mail headline about that? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?"That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie"I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect. If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour. The politics forum is such good value. | |||
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"The EU are big big money weasters there beaurocracy is crazy,still not our problem any more" Those Nightingales were well worth the £ notes spent eh ! | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie"No.I wonder why? The story is probally true . However she does what countless other politicians do. Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting. Why is that news? Because it's more anti EU shite And why is the mail publishing it? I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value. "Your right there. Amazing as in my opening post I said others do similar things but 2 wrongs don't make a right | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value. "The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv. I asked how else would she get there? Pray tell how is is 'deflecting? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
"Yah finally you get there. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there. "How else should she have got there? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?"You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
"And how is that deflecting exactly? I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?"Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?"It’s your MO. You love it. I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government
Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar."Yes, the commission are not politicians. Which is exactly their roll but they are elected. It helps if you understand the structure of the EU and how it works | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do. "What like Farage? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?"Perfect example of what I was saying. Is it possible to travel to Israel without the use of a private jet | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?"What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter "Sigh The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades. The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory. | |||
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"Thank goodness we're out of that corrupt EU disgrace." Yep we dodged a bullet there. No corruption here. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory. "But its true you even say so yourself. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself. "I'll try one last time. Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story? Why is she so special? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory. "“Sigh” what are you 5? It’s not self explanatory to me. Not everyone thinks the way you do Lionel. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself.
I'll try one last time.
Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story?
Why is she so special?"You clearly did not read my original post or what I repeated a few times with regards to others. The thread is about the story.the story is valid as you admit | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
“Sigh” what are you 5?
It’s not self explanatory to me. Not everyone thinks the way you do Lionel. "If you cant see the hypocrisy in that..I cant help you. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself.
I'll try one last time.
Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story?
Why is she so special?
You clearly did not read my original post or what I repeated a few times with regards to others. The thread is about the story.the story is valid as you admit"The story is about waste. Highlighting it in 1 group and ignoring it in another. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself.
I'll try one last time.
Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story?
Why is she so special?
You clearly did not read my original post or what I repeated a few times with regards to others. The thread is about the story.the story is valid as you admit
The story is about waste.
Highlighting it in 1 group and ignoring it in another. "It is indeed about waste. In this case EU waste. It is a valid story. Why not start a thread on UK waste I'm sure you will get a response but this is about EU waste and is correct as you confirm | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself.
I'll try one last time.
Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story?
Why is she so special?
You clearly did not read my original post or what I repeated a few times with regards to others. The thread is about the story.the story is valid as you admit
The story is about waste.
Highlighting it in 1 group and ignoring it in another.
It is indeed about waste. In this case EU waste. It is a valid story. Why not start a thread on UK waste I'm sure you will get a response but this is about EU waste and is correct as you confirm"Probally because the mail doesn't have stories about waste by the uk gmnt Every other day. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself.
I'll try one last time.
Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story?
Why is she so special?"She is not a politician, she and the commission are not elected by the public, one has nothing to do with the other. I have never voted for Farage, but the taxpayer does not pay for any private jets he takes. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself.
I'll try one last time.
Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story?
Why is she so special?
She is not a politician, she and the commission are not elected by the public, one has nothing to do with the other.
I have never voted for Farage, but the taxpayer does not pay for any private jets he takes."The tax payer pays his wages. It's still her job Cummings wasnt elected..I doubt he travelled everywhere by bus. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government
Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar.
Yes, the commission are not politicians.
Which is exactly their roll but they are elected.
It helps if you understand the structure of the EU and how it works "Eh? Try reading that back to yourself, makes no sense. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
I’m guessing none of it and it was just an attempt to deflect.
If it was a Tory it would be absolute scenes. Same as if it was Labour.
The politics forum is such good value.
The story is about an eu rep using a plane to attend meetings..one in tel aviv.
I asked how else would she get there?
Pray tell how is is 'deflecting?
You were trying to introduce doubt over the veracity of the story.
And how is that deflecting exactly?
I'm still waiting to her on her other modes of transport?
It’s your MO. You love it.
I suppose she could have got a scheduled flight. Some politicians with principals do.
What like Farage?
What’s Farage got to do with the OP or Principles for that matter
Sigh
The mail is using this 'story'as a means to discredit the EU (something it has done for decades.
The fact that most other politicians do exactly the same thing,which the mail conveniently chooses to ignore,is self explanatory.
But its true you even say so yourself.
I'll try one last time.
Why does one person doing something that most of her contemporaries do,a story?
Why is she so special?
She is not a politician, she and the commission are not elected by the public, one has nothing to do with the other.
I have never voted for Farage, but the taxpayer does not pay for any private jets he takes.
The tax payer pays his wages.
It's still her job
Cummings wasnt elected..I doubt he travelled everywhere by bus."No, we’ve voted to stop paying his elected wages, which we couldn’t do with Ursula and the commission. Again, start a UK waste thread, I will be all in on that. | |||
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"But was her plane as pretty as boriss with that new million squid paint job?" As Charlie Brown would say “Good Grief!” I thought everybody knew by now the 1mill was for upgrade work the same as the others in the RAF fleet. Including full repainted. The actual tail paint design added about £30k IIRC. S | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar." They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... " Indeed, that’s why Madame Ursulas p  igacy with our money taking a private jet from Brussels to London is so shameful. | |||
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"By the way it’s the stories behind the stories we need to be looking at. No where does anyone ask who is paying for the jets for all these people whether Farage the EU ministers etc. We assume we do directly when in reality it’s proffered to them for free by big business. Ford used to run four jets in Europe including a 707 cargo, but it could still seat about ten. When asked on costs they don’t answer because they don’t know, they don’t answer because they do know & it’s who’s footing the bill that’s more important as there’s no such thing as a free lunch in business. But then the whole house of greasy palms would collapse wouldn’t it? Farage’s major benefactor is/was a millionaire, no doubt he copped the bill for that one. S " Yep, and I recall Cameron making liberal use of private planes during election campaigns funded by often secret donors. But the EU commission private planes are the ones accounted for by EU audit so are in addition to any dodgy external lobbyist funding. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.”" Yep. Fuck them cunts that run private jet companies for profit. Fucking Tory bastards. They should all be shot. If you missed the irony there; I don't give a shit. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet"Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... " You forgot to mention the fact the plane can still be used for its original role | |||
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" The Euro parliament decamps from Brussels once per month to go to Strasbourg at a cost of a £130 million each time. Well know we are out of the eu I'm sure the gmnt will not waste a single penny Well apart from that £11b they have squirelled away " Oh. Well. That's okay then. Best move along. Nothing to see here. | |||
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"But was her plane as pretty as boriss with that new million squid paint job? As Charlie Brown would say “Good Grief!” I thought everybody knew by now the 1mill was for upgrade work the same as the others in the RAF fleet. Including full repainted. The actual tail paint design added about £30k IIRC. S" Are you saying i just make stuff up about boris fucking johnson to post online? Well i do And it was a million squid.the cunt | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible"Peddleboat? | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... You forgot to mention the fact the plane can still be used for its original role" Presumably the one Ursula uses..is used for nothing else? | |||
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"Another day another good ol' brexiteer whinging Still going on about EU, you can't even forget it even after you left, so pathetic..." I'm guessing its cos she made him look like a utter buffoon the other week. They don't like to see their hero being made to look like a moron. | |||
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"Does Ursula own the jet?" No. Did she pay to use it? No. We paid for it as mug taxpayers. | |||
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"Does Ursula own the jet? No. Did she pay to use it? No. We paid for it as mug taxpayers." So when they say 'personal jet 'its nothing of the sort., | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state " So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home " I'm sure boris survives on that alone. | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... You forgot to mention the fact the plane can still be used for its original role Presumably the one Ursula uses..is used for nothing else?" Most likely not, it will be owned by some company that charters (private) jets for use at short notice, hence it’s a private jet but not hers exclusively, for the same reason Boris uses a military plane which is state owned & therefore not private. Neither are used for personal use as far as I know. | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... You forgot to mention the fact the plane can still be used for its original role Presumably the one Ursula uses..is used for nothing else? Most likely not, it will be owned by some company that charters (private) jets for use at short notice, hence it’s a private jet but not hers exclusively, for the same reason Boris uses a military plane which is state owned & therefore not private. Neither are used for personal use as far as I know. " So it's not really a private jet then is it? A private jet surely means you use it exclusively and for your personal use. | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone." Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... You forgot to mention the fact the plane can still be used for its original role Presumably the one Ursula uses..is used for nothing else? Most likely not, it will be owned by some company that charters (private) jets for use at short notice, hence it’s a private jet but not hers exclusively, for the same reason Boris uses a military plane which is state owned & therefore not private. Neither are used for personal use as far as I know. So it's not really a private jet then is it? A private jet surely means you use it exclusively and for your personal use." Like you said before it’s just the mail spin on it, but then again all the media do  | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault?" Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals?" So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps?" It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity." Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources " The ny times did a piece on it last week. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?"nope standard passanger plane | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources The ny times did a piece on it last week." Go on list the Mirror next lol | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane"Does every other politician/diplomat do that? | |||
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"The vast majority of Premiers around the world including Boris use reassigned military jets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government Ursula and the commission aren’t even elected politicians. The UK negotiators including Lord Frost took the Eurostar. They may technically be military jets... but they will be kitted out especially for government and royal usage.... technically Air Force one is a military jet.... Oh and the reason why uk negotiators go from London to Brussels via Eurostar is that it’s quicker to get from central London to central Brussels by train than it is by air..... same for government officials travelling from London to Paris .... You forgot to mention the fact the plane can still be used for its original role Presumably the one Ursula uses..is used for nothing else? Most likely not, it will be owned by some company that charters (private) jets for use at short notice, hence it’s a private jet but not hers exclusively, for the same reason Boris uses a military plane which is state owned & therefore not private. Neither are used for personal use as far as I know. So it's not really a private jet then is it? A private jet surely means you use it exclusively and for your personal use." yes private jet not personal jet. Anyone can hire a private jet as long as you pay for it which of course is far more expensive than normal passanger flight. If it was personal then it would be for her use only. In this cases or cases she hired a private Jet with the associated costs | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources The ny times did a piece on it last week. Go on list the Mirror next lol" Yep that well known socialist rag the ny times | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?"Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here"Well that depends If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?"from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery"And as others have said it's a non story. She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons."just because it shows up an EU person wasting money does not make it a non story. Maybe you prefer such things did not get mentioned but we are free to mention it as we wish. As I tries to explain its a private jet hired for the flights which cocts a lot more than a standard flight hence the story | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
just because it shows up an EU person wasting money does not make it a non story. Maybe you prefer such things did not get mentioned but we are free to mention it as we wish. As I tries to explain its a private jet hired for the flights which cocts a lot more than a standard flight hence the story"So why doesnt it expose other people doing the same thing? Farage taking a private jet to Strasbourg..s"funny that story never got a mention. Its nothing to do with whataboutery.. The paper are using the story to put even more dirt on the eu..the same they have been doing for decades. We are out of the eu now..do you not think there are more pressing concerns in this country? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons."Why the f_ck are you defending her? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
Why the f_ck are you defending her? "Because its quite amusing seeing you all so worked up over a story that doesnt effect us in the slightest. Still it's in the mail so its bound to have brexiteers with their knickers in a twist. | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
Why the f_ck are you defending her? "Is this all because she made boris look like a clueless fuckwit? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
just because it shows up an EU person wasting money does not make it a non story. Maybe you prefer such things did not get mentioned but we are free to mention it as we wish. As I tries to explain its a private jet hired for the flights which cocts a lot more than a standard flight hence the story
So why doesnt it expose other people doing the same thing?
Farage taking a private jet to Strasbourg..s"funny that story never got a mention.
Its nothing to do with whataboutery.. The paper are using the story to put even more dirt on the eu..the same they have been doing for decades.
We are out of the eu now..do you not think there are more pressing concerns in this country?
"As I say its a specific story about waste by a specific person - its in the title. Paper are free to print stories on whome they wish. If this story is false then they are certainly in the wrong but so far it appears to be correct. Im sure some papers who are more pro EU won't give it a mention | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
just because it shows up an EU person wasting money does not make it a non story. Maybe you prefer such things did not get mentioned but we are free to mention it as we wish. As I tries to explain its a private jet hired for the flights which cocts a lot more than a standard flight hence the story
So why doesnt it expose other people doing the same thing?
Farage taking a private jet to Strasbourg..s"funny that story never got a mention.
Its nothing to do with whataboutery.. The paper are using the story to put even more dirt on the eu..the same they have been doing for decades.
We are out of the eu now..do you not think there are more pressing concerns in this country?
As I say its a specific story about waste by a specific person - its in the title. Paper are free to print stories on whome they wish. If this story is false then they are certainly in the wrong but so far it appears to be correct. Im sure some papers who are more pro EU won't give it a mention "Why is it relevant? If someone was wasting money in Zimbabwe would it be headline news? | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
just because it shows up an EU person wasting money does not make it a non story. Maybe you prefer such things did not get mentioned but we are free to mention it as we wish. As I tries to explain its a private jet hired for the flights which cocts a lot more than a standard flight hence the story
So why doesnt it expose other people doing the same thing?
Farage taking a private jet to Strasbourg..s"funny that story never got a mention.
Its nothing to do with whataboutery.. The paper are using the story to put even more dirt on the eu..the same they have been doing for decades.
We are out of the eu now..do you not think there are more pressing concerns in this country?
As I say its a specific story about waste by a specific person - its in the title. Paper are free to print stories on whome they wish. If this story is false then they are certainly in the wrong but so far it appears to be correct. Im sure some papers who are more pro EU won't give it a mention
Why is it relevant?
If someone was wasting money in Zimbabwe would it be headline news?"have a think about it | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.”" Why do you care anymore? Surely it is now time to turn your criticism on the Tory Party for all the money they have wasted... | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!!" It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy." as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money" But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money" The problem here is not about EU. It is about you being a hypocrite | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. " they did at the time of the trips and still paying right up until the 31st of December ( not long now) so yes we were and for a couple more days still are paying | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money The problem here is not about EU. It is about you being a hypocrite " why are you calling me a hypocrite? | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. they did at the time of the trips and still paying right up until the 31st of December ( not long now) so yes we were and for a couple more days still are paying" Do you not concede there is the tiniest possibility the mail has some sort if agenda here? | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. they did at the time of the trips and still paying right up until the 31st of December ( not long now) so yes we were and for a couple more days still are paying Do you not concede there is the tiniest possibility the mail has some sort if agenda here?" if the story is untrue then they are clearly in the wrong. if true then they are perfectly entitled to bring it to tax payers attention. I personally think all these should be reported regardless but do not agree that because its been done before its acceptable to keep doing it | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. they did at the time of the trips and still paying right up until the 31st of December ( not long now) so yes we were and for a couple more days still are paying Do you not concede there is the tiniest possibility the mail has some sort if agenda here? if the story is untrue then they are clearly in the wrong. if true then they are perfectly entitled to bring it to tax payers attention. I personally think all these should be reported regardless but do not agree that because its been done before its acceptable to keep doing it" I remember you saying exactly the same thing about Chris Greyling & Robert Jenrick | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. " Mine do. I pay tax in Spain. Why are you defending her and the waste in the EU? | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. Mine do. I pay tax in Spain. Why are you defending her and the waste in the EU? " You should probably move this to the Spain forum as we are pretty uninterested | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
Why the f_ck are you defending her?
Is this all because she made boris look like a clueless fuckwit?" he played her like a f_ckin banjo  | |||
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"I guess OP woke up this morning and couldn't find a better non story to whinge about Fukin EU and their... *shuffles deck. Picks out a card*... private jets! I got you another story for tomorrow, OP. Ursula is using... A CAR. The horror, the outrage!! It is baffling why its even relevant now. We are out..I thought they would be happy. as a tax payer we have an interest just like when other squander public money But our taxes dont go to the eu any more? It's none of our business whatsoever. Mine do. I pay tax in Spain. Why are you defending her and the waste in the EU? You should probably move this to the Spain forum as we are pretty uninterested "But EU waste is my business so I am interested | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources The ny times did a piece on it last week. Go on list the Mirror next lol" The request for the fast track suppliers list to be published is still being refused. If everything is above board why is that? Surely nothing to hide. Also whether you back Boris or not that is our tax the government is paying out so why no public record or accountability. | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources The ny times did a piece on it last week. Go on list the Mirror next lol The request for the fast track suppliers list to be published is still being refused. If everything is above board why is that? Surely nothing to hide. Also whether you back Boris or not that is our tax the government is paying out so why no public record or accountability. " Nothing to do with this thread please start your own thread | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources The ny times did a piece on it last week. Go on list the Mirror next lol The request for the fast track suppliers list to be published is still being refused. If everything is above board why is that? Surely nothing to hide. Also whether you back Boris or not that is our tax the government is paying out so why no public record or accountability. Nothing to do with this thread please start your own thread " Firstly my response was to another poster so feel free to wind you neck in. So unless you are a moderator or have suddenly have taken over fab please do not instruct me to do anything. Thank you for your understanding. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.”" Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). | |||
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"A prize for what newspaper this story featured in Are you saying its not true Not at all The mail has never printed an inaccurate or exaggerated story about the eu. Ever. I understand you don't like the source but do you think its untrue Presumably she could get a paddle boat to tel Aviv instead? Private jet
Every fucking politician uses a private jet..do you think boris gets the early bird easy jet over to Berlin?
Is that a yes or a no?
Does she use private jets to go to meetings
Of course she does..like every other politician..its part of her job
Does the mail do stories about that clown taking private jets everywhere?
So you finally agree its true
I didn't say it was untrue
I said they exaggerate stories and tell lies..are you saying they never do this?
What part of the story is a lie?
Tell me how exactly is she expected to get to tel Aviv?
That's not an answer to my question. Again what part of the story is a lie
No.I wonder why?
The story is probally true .
However she does what countless other politicians do.
Use a privately chartered plane to attend a meeting.
Why is that news?
Because it's more anti EU shite
And why is the mail publishing it?
I thought we were supposed to be celebrating this great deal.
Yah finally you get there.
How else should she have got there?
Just so glad you finally agree. As I said at the start others are guilty of similar things that does not make this right and this thread is about these trips. I think it may be possible to get to Israel without a private jet
Uk to tel Aviv by normal flight in 4 hours 55 mins. Maybe slightly different time on the continent but not much. So yes it is possible
Peddleboat?
nope standard passanger plane
Does every other politician/diplomat do that?
Is this a case of whataboutery often mentioned in here
Well that depends
If it's a story about waste..shouldnt everyone who does it be exposed?
from the title and the OP its about a specific waste by a specific person. As others have mentioned because others do it does it make this right. Looks very much like a classic whataboutery
And as others have said it's a non story.
She does what countless others do In her position, even the title of private jet is misleading..as she doesn't own it and doesnt use it for personal reasons.
Why the f_ck are you defending her?
Is this all because she made boris look like a clueless fuckwit?
he played her like a f_ckin banjo "Ha ha ha.. you obviously havent seen the clip | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources The ny times did a piece on it last week. Go on list the Mirror next lol The request for the fast track suppliers list to be published is still being refused. If everything is above board why is that? Surely nothing to hide. Also whether you back Boris or not that is our tax the government is paying out so why no public record or accountability. Nothing to do with this thread please start your own thread Firstly my response was to another poster so feel free to wind you neck in. So unless you are a moderator or have suddenly have taken over fab please do not instruct me to do anything. Thank you for your understanding. " I am kind of a big deal around here yes, so please start your own thread, thanks for your understanding | |||
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"Can’t believe the people saying about Brussels wasting money How much English taxpayers money is sat in Felixstowe docks All the PPI Boris and his motley crew spent millions on and is not fit for the purpose! Not to mention the money spent on back handers to people who negotiated the deal. Makes me sad broken Britton. But hey ho we are a sovereign state So that’s not the fault of the NHS executives, directors & managers or experts of which 6500 are paid more than Boris, or is that his job too while they work from home I'm sure boris survives on that alone. Not saying he hasn’t got plenty to spare, I’m just saying someone is paid more to order PPE & other equipment & ordered the wrong stuff not Boris. So how is that Boris’s fault? Who ordered the wrong stuff? Is this part of the £11b that went to his pals? So you really think that Boris Johnston orders the PPE for the hospitals & it’s not someone’s job to do just that? Some highly paid executive on £200 k plus a year that works for the NHS perhaps? It wasnt the NHS who decided to bypass the procurement procedure. It wasnt the NHS wgo decided to give companies with links to the conservative party VIP status. It wasnt the NHS wgo sent our an e mail looking for mps to benefit from such an opportunity. Can you provide detailed FACTS for this or are you just quoting from the guardian a news paper but by definition only, according to sources The ny times did a piece on it last week. Go on list the Mirror next lol The request for the fast track suppliers list to be published is still being refused. If everything is above board why is that? Surely nothing to hide. Also whether you back Boris or not that is our tax the government is paying out so why no public record or accountability. Nothing to do with this thread please start your own thread Firstly my response was to another poster so feel free to wind you neck in. So unless you are a moderator or have suddenly have taken over fab please do not instruct me to do anything. Thank you for your understanding. I am kind of a big deal around here yes, so please start your own thread, thanks for your understanding "Good to see you still have a sense of humour. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). " World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S" Embarrass boris at your peril | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril " Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S" When you pay public servants huge sums of money, you really don’t want them wasting time hanging around departure lounges and mixing with ordinary people. So private planes make perfect sense. Also, it’s so easy spending other people’s money. Apologies for ruining Wednesday for Lionel, but didn’t Maggie famously say “the government doesn’t have any money, we are in charge of taxpayers money. It’s a shame that governments or indeed the EU seem to overlook that these days. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S" So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril " | |||
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"Burnham stands upto boris. Weeks later calls for him.to resign as the police are not investigating cases properly. Several threads on here. Nicola again stands upto boris and again..numerous headline and threads. Ursula makes him look like a clown.hey presto stories about her wasting money If only I could see a pattern here.." Arrh diddums, have you got a victim complex? | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important?" Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S | |||
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"Burnham stands upto boris. Weeks later calls for him.to resign as the police are not investigating cases properly. Several threads on here. Nicola again stands upto boris and again..numerous headline and threads. Ursula makes him look like a clown.hey presto stories about her wasting money If only I could see a pattern here.. Arrh diddums, have you got a victim complex? " Well is I'm neither of those 3 people .erm..no. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S" So her role isnt important? | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S So her role isnt important?" Not important enough for a fcking plane no! Unless of course it was proved to be cheaper? But for that to happen we’d need to know what she costs overall & not just in salary. & that won’t ever happen as it’s the EU commission the one part of the whole thing that’s needs nuking & starting over. S | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S So her role isnt important? Not important enough for a fcking plane no! Unless of course it was proved to be cheaper? But for that to happen we’d need to know what she costs overall & not just in salary. & that won’t ever happen as it’s the EU commission the one part of the whole thing that’s needs nuking & starting over. S" Right I just got a bit confused as someone said we had made the biggest trade deal in history..but they were obviously wrong as she didnt play an important role. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S So her role isnt important? Not important enough for a fcking plane no! Unless of course it was proved to be cheaper? But for that to happen we’d need to know what she costs overall & not just in salary. & that won’t ever happen as it’s the EU commission the one part of the whole thing that’s needs nuking & starting over. S Right I just got a bit confused as someone said we had made the biggest trade deal in history..but they were obviously wrong as she didnt play an important role." Lionel lots of people play important roles in business, health care & in the EU but that doesn’t mean they all need to travel by private jet does it? & as you yourself say “A part of it”. Not “It” in itself S | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S So her role isnt important? Not important enough for a fcking plane no! Unless of course it was proved to be cheaper? But for that to happen we’d need to know what she costs overall & not just in salary. & that won’t ever happen as it’s the EU commission the one part of the whole thing that’s needs nuking & starting over. S Right I just got a bit confused as someone said we had made the biggest trade deal in history..but they were obviously wrong as she didnt play an important role. Lionel lots of people play important roles in business, health care & in the EU but that doesn’t mean they all need to travel by private jet does it? & as you yourself say “A part of it”. Not “It” in itself S" I thought we had established it's not a private jet She doesn't own it She doesn't use it for personal trips It's a plane used by eu officials to save them having to book on the next easy jet flight. | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right " Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? " You took your time out to count. How sweet. | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet." As obviously you did ?? | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ??" No I just saw the number of replies. | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies." Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right " I can’t, I’m not remotely religious, but I like a fair fight so if I could I’d give Palestine Thirty or so F15’s & a few hundred billion dollars for more if needed. On condition they launch when the Israelis do. I’d say the same to Israel too. & no more Nicking “Growing Room”. See easy sorted this stuff  
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"The EU are big big money weasters there beaurocracy is crazy,still not our problem any more" We've got enough wastage and corruption to worry about with our shower of shit government to really bother about elsewhere  | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? " Lol | |||
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"The EU are big big money weasters there beaurocracy is crazy,still not our problem any more We've got enough wastage and corruption to worry about with our shower of shit government to really bother about elsewhere "Thing is anyone saying “This Government” no matter who is in power is rather missing the point. Nepotism, Cronyism, Waste, Fidfling & Corruption have been bywords of our political system since before Blair. It’s not a Con/Lab thing It’s a Them/Us one, They are all just wearing the wrong types of mask atm. Change the rules, You can’t stand to be an MP until your Forty & it pays £150k pa’s & secretary services supplied by the civil service & if you are not within fifty miles of London you stay for free in furnished hotel style digs near Westminster. If you are promoted to Cabinet your pay does not improve as you can’t do two jobs at the same time. So it’s a kudos & earned thing. Then see how many still want to “Serve the People” without lining their pockets while they do it. S | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities " | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities " Did you count how many words I typed too? | |||
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"The EU are big big money weasters there beaurocracy is crazy,still not our problem any more We've got enough wastage and corruption to worry about with our shower of shit government to really bother about elsewhere
Thing is anyone saying “This Government” no matter who is in power is rather missing the point.
Nepotism, Cronyism, Waste, Fidfling & Corruption have been bywords of our political system since before Blair.
It’s not a Con/Lab thing
It’s a Them/Us one, They are all just wearing the wrong types of mask atm.
Change the rules, You can’t stand to be an MP until your Forty & it pays £150k pa’s & secretary services supplied by the civil service & if you are not within fifty miles of London you stay for free in furnished hotel style digs near Westminster.
If you are promoted to Cabinet your pay does not improve as you can’t do two jobs at the same time. So it’s a kudos & earned thing.
Then see how many still want to “Serve the People” without lining their pockets while they do it.
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too?" and your point is? | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? " So you didnt? Disappointed here. | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here." Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to "You certainly did. | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to
You certainly did."Good. Pleased you recognise that. | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to
You certainly did.
Good. Pleased you recognise that."I did. We would be lost without your insightful and astute comments Keep up the good work | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to
You certainly did.
Good. Pleased you recognise that.
I did.
We would be lost without your insightful and astute comments
Keep up the good work
"I look forward to when YOU begin to post anything insightful and astute. Will make a welcome change from the one trick pony we’ve become accustomed to! | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to
You certainly did.
Good. Pleased you recognise that.
I did.
We would be lost without your insightful and astute comments
Keep up the good work
I look forward to when YOU begin to post anything insightful and astute. Will make a welcome change from the one trick pony we’ve become accustomed to! "Epic. | |||
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"Can’t you see the funny side Lionel. You pontificated about the thread and it turns out you are the major contributor. "By saying..its a non story about 64 times. Yep good point. | |||
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to
You certainly did.
Good. Pleased you recognise that.
I did.
We would be lost without your insightful and astute comments
Keep up the good work
I look forward to when YOU begin to post anything insightful and astute. Will make a welcome change from the one trick pony we’ve become accustomed to!
Epic."Keep responding Lionel. Every time you do, your post that makes this humorous is clearly displayed at the top of the post for all to see | |||
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"Can’t you see the funny side Lionel. You pontificated about the thread and it turns out you are the major contributor.
By saying..its a non story about 64 times.
Yep good point.
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to
You certainly did.
Good. Pleased you recognise that.
I did.
We would be lost without your insightful and astute comments
Keep up the good work
I look forward to when YOU begin to post anything insightful and astute. Will make a welcome change from the one trick pony we’ve become accustomed to!
Epic.
Keep responding Lionel. Every time you do, your post that makes this humorous is clearly displayed at the top of the post for all to see
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"144 responses to a diplomatic using a plane 20 odd about isarel killing innocent people. Its nice to know we have our priorities right Well 52 of the 144 were your responses. What does that say? You took your time out to count. How sweet. As obviously you did ?? No I just saw the number of replies. Still, 36% of the responses were yours Lionel. As you say, nice to see priorities Did you count how many words I typed too? and your point is? So you didnt? Disappointed here. Wasn’t any need. I proved what I wanted to
You certainly did.
Good. Pleased you recognise that.
I did.
We would be lost without your insightful and astute comments
Keep up the good work
I look forward to when YOU begin to post anything insightful and astute. Will make a welcome change from the one trick pony we’ve become accustomed to!
Epic.
Keep responding Lionel. Every time you do, your post that makes this humorous is clearly displayed at the top of the post for all to see
Those winter nights must just fly by"Well this certainly helps | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S So her role isnt important? Not important enough for a fcking plane no! Unless of course it was proved to be cheaper? But for that to happen we’d need to know what she costs overall & not just in salary. & that won’t ever happen as it’s the EU commission the one part of the whole thing that’s needs nuking & starting over. S" President of EU commission is not important? Representing EU countries is not important? So the good ol' royal family is important? You know, the one that is purely around just for marketing purposes of UK. How many times Harry used a private jet while being environmental campaigner. But hey ho, let's not look under your nose, but whinge about EU. Pathetic. | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S So her role isnt important? Not important enough for a fcking plane no! Unless of course it was proved to be cheaper? But for that to happen we’d need to know what she costs overall & not just in salary. & that won’t ever happen as it’s the EU commission the one part of the whole thing that’s needs nuking & starting over. S President of EU commission is not important? Representing EU countries is not important? So the good ol' royal family is important? You know, the one that is purely around just for marketing purposes of UK. How many times Harry used a private jet while being environmental campaigner. But hey ho, let's not look under your nose, but whinge about EU. Pathetic." So what is whinging about Harry and the royal family but not the EU? | |||
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"Thank goodness us UK taxpayers won’t still be paying for this obscene shower of two bit pirates in Brussels: “Eco warrior Ursula von der Leyen is accused of hypocrisy for using private jets on nearly half her worldwide missions Ursula von der Leyen wants a 'green deal' and countries to be carbon neutral But the European Commission chief ordered private jets for half of her trips Private jets emit 20 times more CO2 per passenger mile than a commercial flight“ “But Mrs von der Leyen, 62, chartered a private jet to Britain to give a lecture at the London School of Economics before post-Brexit trade talks started in January.” “The data shows 'air taxis' were used for the relatively short distance to Berlin for a summit, before travelling on to the annual meeting of global elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “ “Jets were also chartered for a meeting of the EU Commission's 27 commissioners in Croatia, a visit to the Greek-Turkish border during a flare-up of the migrant crisis earlier this year and for meetings with officials from the African Union in Ethiopia.” “According to the data, one of the most expensive 'per person' jets was the five-night trip to the Berlin summit, then to Davos and on to Tel Aviv in Israel to visit a Holocaust memorial. It cost £6,750 per person.” “The Commission declined to give the exact bill or confirm how many were on board, but it is thought at least ten were, giving a bill of more than £60,000.” Nothing unusual here. How else is she supposed to travel. Boris, Trump and most of our 'leaders' travel like this. It is what it is and we pay for it. Also, no money is being saved by leaving the EU - we're losing it - in the first year or so - to the tune of 4% of GDP - £120000000000 (£120bn). World leaders yes, those in charge of countries yes. Mainly for security & expediency. She & others like her need neither so it’s just for jumped up self importance more than anything. S Embarrass boris at your peril Another nothing statement Lionel? Would you not agree than really world leaders, even ones you don’t like should be the only people traveling in private jets at the public’s expense? & that’s ANY public, not just the UK one. S So has the argument changed now? Its not the fact that she used a jet ,its because she isnt a world leader? Is her role not important? Well look at it another way, why do world leaders travel by private jets? 1. Because they have countries to run 2. Because it’s more secure 3. Status & by the time you add all the security personnel, PA’s, usually other ministers it’s just easier. Now how many of those apply? S So her role isnt important? Not important enough for a fcking plane no! Unless of course it was proved to be cheaper? But for that to happen we’d need to know what she costs overall & not just in salary. & that won’t ever happen as it’s the EU commission the one part of the whole thing that’s needs nuking & starting over. S President of EU commission is not important? Representing EU countries is not important? So the good ol' royal family is important? You know, the one that is purely around just for marketing purposes of UK. How many times Harry used a private jet while being environmental campaigner. But hey ho, let's not look under your nose, but whinge about EU. Pathetic." I'm sure the royal family have made great financial sacrifices. | |||
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