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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Do you know who coined the term gammon.....

Charles Dickens

1838..... Nicholas Nickleby... chapter 16

Things you learn.... my god what a woke bastard he must have been!

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

im surprised you didnt know that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know who coined the term gammon.....

Charles Dickens

1838..... Nicholas Nickleby... chapter 16

Things you learn.... my god what a woke bastard he must have been!

I don’t have the book, being shallow enough to rely on visual presentations- what is the reference/script/said?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ah, Mr Gregsbury’s speech resulting in him being described as ‘gammon’.

Thank you- my fact for the day.

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By *uliaChrisCouple over a year ago

westerham

"Ah, Mr Gregsbury’s speech resulting in him being described as ‘gammon’.

Thank you- my fact for the day."

Sounds like it's being used as an adjective, rather than a proper noun, which is a very different kettle of fish.

And I'm not even mentioning the rumpus I cause when I get accused of implying something was acceptable in 1838 so its acceptable now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’d educate yourself before coming up with any kind of opinion on it - you’ve made yourself look rather stupid.

The situation in the book describes you to a T.

On further reading, the first known use in literature was at the very beginning of the 1600’s

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By *uliaChrisCouple over a year ago

westerham

"I’d educate yourself before coming up with any kind of opinion on it - you’ve made yourself look rather stupid.

The situation in the book describes you to a T.

On further reading, the first known use in literature was at the very beginning of the 1600’s"

Funnily enough I don’t feel stupid. The quote was INDEED an adjective used in reply to this rather wonderful speech:

“Whether I look at home, or abroad; whether I behold the peaceful industrious communities of our island home: her rivers covered with steamboats, her roads with locomotives, her streets with cabs, her skies with balloons of a power and magnitude hitherto unknown in the history of aeronautics in this or any other nation — I say, whether I look merely at home, or, stretching my eyes farther, contemplate the boundless prospect of conquest and possession — achieved by British perseverance and British valour — which is outspread before me, I clasp my hands, and turning my eyes to the broad expanse above my head, exclaim, “Thank Heaven, I am a Briton!”’

As usual, I’m right

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You are something but it’s surely not ‘Correct’.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

So several centuries ago when something was acceptable that makes it still ok now then.

Right where did I leave my

sla ves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Read the chapter.....

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By *rRightlyMan over a year ago

Near Brexit dreamer

"Do you know who coined the term gammon.....

Charles Dickens

1838..... Nicholas Nickleby... chapter 16

Things you learn.... my god what a woke bastard he must have been!

What is this stupid post about?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Read the chapter....."

So a word that was ok several centuries ago is ok but other words or actions arent, double standards

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By *eanoCoolMan over a year ago

wisbech

This needs closing down like the last one before its gets out of hand like before, this is a political forum and this subject is not political in the slightest in my opinion. People know this term is offensive to some and seen as racist by others but yet still keep throwing it out there just to stir trouble.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This needs closing down like the last one before its gets out of hand like before, this is a political forum and this subject is not political in the slightest in my opinion. People know this term is offensive to some and seen as racist by others but yet still keep throwing it out there just to stir trouble."

Very much agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s not so much the term in the book that’s the issue, it’s the connotations around the views of the man Dickens wrote about and how it was viewed at the time. I find it interesting and quite enlightening, really.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Read the chapter.....

So a word that was ok several centuries ago is ok but other words or actions arent, double standards"

and we all know it

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the gammons will be offended as usual i'm sure

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

Gammon is pig. And who eats pig? Not Jews and not Muslims. Christians eat pork, white and black. But gammon refers to whites only – to white Christians, then. So now white Christians have their own personal term of abuse, courtesy of the new left. Thank you. For what exactly? For making political discourse cheaper and more disgusting every day? For alienating potential allies in the battle against austerity? For making racial and religious slurs a little more acceptable, while all the time claiming to loathe them, which is, if you have no self-awareness allow me to make you aware of it, hypocrisy? For making floating voters think that socialists are screaming, useless kids who will tear down a world and forget to build another one for name-calling on Twitter? For behaving just as you say your enemies do? x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Since it refers to the colour the Caucasian face (usually fleshy) goes when enraged by something, usually after expounding on some vastly irritating subject, it’d not be an apt description for other races. No doubt there are other names used.

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Gammon is pig. And who eats pig? Not Jews and not Muslims. Christians eat pork, white and black. But gammon refers to whites only – to white Christians, then. So now white Christians have their own personal term of abuse, courtesy of the new left. Thank you. For what exactly? For making political discourse cheaper and more disgusting every day? For alienating potential allies in the battle against austerity? For making racial and religious slurs a little more acceptable, while all the time claiming to loathe them, which is, if you have no self-awareness allow me to make you aware of it, hypocrisy? For making floating voters think that socialists are screaming, useless kids who will tear down a world and forget to build another one for name-calling on Twitter? For behaving just as you say your enemies do? x

A gammon is a white slightly to fully balding , right of centre politcally leaning chap in his mid 30s-50s .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Since it refers to the colour the Caucasian face (usually fleshy) goes when enraged by something, usually after expounding on some vastly irritating subject, it’d not be an apt description for other races. No doubt there are other names used.

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

Amazing you cant say the word d*unk or some over reasonable words in a discussion, but that one is perfectly fine..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

One is a term used for all, angry or not. The other the shade of particular pink brought about by high blood pressure caused by expressing outrage at something or other. I fail to see a universal comparison.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

gammon is what white people call other white people

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"gammon is what white people call other white people"

In an offensive way,insults are still insults, it's so funny watching the alleged anti racists trying to defend being offensive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A gammon is a white slightly to fully balding , right of centre politcally leaning chap in his mid 30s-50s .

Who gets angry all the time

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Can White people sing songs about gammon, would using the g word in a rap song be acceptable?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"gammon is what white people call other white people

In an offensive way,insults are still insults, it's so funny watching the alleged anti racists trying to defend being offensive."

So.... calling out racists is unacceptable?

I’d think ‘gammon’ would be a pretty polite, mild term in that case.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"gammon is what white people call other white people"

I'm white and have never used the term to another white person, or indeed, any other person.

It may be trendy parlance in Shoreditch or Islington, but up here, gammon is what we have with chips and egg.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people."

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

Because they get angry ( Gammons not pigs ) & go a little pink & snort with rage at the political left are normally a little podgy as a result of over indulgence in bad food & to much beer , the term Gammon fits perfectly .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A gammon is a white slightly to fully balding , right of centre politcally leaning chap in his mid 30s-50s .

Who gets angry all the time "

And is a little overweight .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

What a ridiculous comparison.

You know full well these insults do not carry anything like an equal weighting, don't have the same kind of history, meaning or offensiveness.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

gammon is a political term describing angry people's raised blood pressure while shouting and ranting about their paranoia of anything marginally non-right wing on question time , nothing more nothing less

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

Oh dear showing your ignorance again pigs have lots and lots of hair.

Time for you antiracists to stop digging your self righteous hypocritical holes, your just as racist as the person who uses the bigger word, it doesnt matter a jot if you claim it's not, you claim Boris is racist for saying muslims look like post boxes, well folk you coined the word gammon as a racist insult so you can own it now. Huff and puff as much as you like but you've been caught out

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

why is it that the gammons take innocuos phrases and feign outrage and offence in order to use it as a virtue signal?

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Lewisham

Do gammon kids start out in life by being constantly bullied by non-gammon kids? Do they then find that their adult lives are made harder because they are occasionally outraged by the suggestion of a more equal society?

Being a gammon is a lifestyle choice. If you're offended by the word it's because you are one. I would consider James Cleverly and Shaun Bailey to be just as gammon-like as Andrew Neil. If you want to be more inclusive I would suggest that it applies to anyone displaying traits and could render the term "Karen" redundant.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

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If that is the case how do you correctly apply that term to people who post on here, how do people know they fit those specifications or is it just used as hate speech because they lack the debating skills and it is used to detract from that fact?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"why is it that the gammons take innocuos phrases and feign outrage and offence in order to use it as a virtue signal?"

Whereas as a doll called golly is the devil incarnate, keep digging it gets funnier every response

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"gammon is what white people call other white people

I'm white and have never used the term to another white person, or indeed, any other person.

It may be trendy parlance in Shoreditch or Islington, but up here, gammon is what we have with chips and egg. "

Don’t forget the slice of pineapple

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

and the gammons continue to choose to get offended

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

If that is the case how do you correctly apply that term to people who post on here, how do people know they fit those specifications or is it just used as hate speech because they lack the debating skills and it is used to detract from that fact? "

Have you ever been directly called a gammon? If you have and it offends you then it should stop. Gammons are only a small group of people who get angry and red in the face about Brexit

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

Have you ever been directly called a gammon? If you have and it offends you then it should stop. Gammons are only a small group of people who get angry and red in the face about Brexit "

There is only one group that get red faced and angry about brexit and it is definitely not leave voters but the bad losers, Their last resort is to chuck racist and offensive remarks, I'm surprised you havent brought up the lack of intelligence and education you claim leave voters have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

Have you ever been directly called a gammon? If you have and it offends you then it should stop. Gammons are only a small group of people who get angry and red in the face about Brexit

Bad losers, salty tears, remoaners, you lost get over it etc etc? Leave voters have plenty of insults to use. If you don’t get angry and red in the face about Brexit you can not be a gammon .

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

with so many gammon choosing to be offended it can only be good news for uk pharma companies who manufacture hypertension medicines.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"with so many gammon choosing to be offended it can only be good news for uk pharma companies who manufacture hypertension medicines. "

It's quite plain it's the remainers who are in a spin,leave voters are very relaxed and waiting for it all to play out and settle down.

Enjoy your day have got more important things to do than watch your meltdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

Oh dear showing your ignorance again pigs have lots and lots of hair.

I see a few of them wearing extensions & the like

But most have a zero crop to get away from the Bobby Charlton comb over .

Enjoy your BACON & eggs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and the gammons continue to choose to get offended"

Its even better when they proclaim they are leaving the conversation to say they are off to do better

things with the day .

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

Have you ever been directly called a gammon? If you have and it offends you then it should stop. Gammons are only a small group of people who get angry and red in the face about Brexit "
Not that i can recall and tbh it wouldn't bother me in the slightest as i said before when people have to revert to calling people gammons you know they have lost the debate and are actually portraying the characteristics of the name they are calling the other person.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people.

But Gammon does not apply to white people entirely .

It applies only to balding middle aged men with right leaning politics & therefore can not be seen as & therefore is not racist

Because Pigs have very little hair like a balding chap &

Have you ever been directly called a gammon? If you have and it offends you then it should stop. Gammons are only a small group of people who get angry and red in the face about Brexit Not that i can recall and tbh it wouldn't bother me in the slightest as i said before when people have to revert to calling people gammons you know they have lost the debate and are actually portraying the characteristics of the name they are calling the other person.

Like saying remoaners, salty tears , using the term woke as an insult etc etc

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By *eanoCoolMan over a year ago

wisbech

This whole thread is pathetic, the only thing it has shown me is a list of people who are so childish you could never debate a subject with them, i am sure I would get more sense from a bunch of 5 yr olds, some of you really do need to grow up.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

now the gammons appear to be trying to apply which way people voted in a referendum as to wether a person is gammon or not. it's irrelevant as the term gammon merely describes angry right wing culture warriors and their paranoia of anything they deem to be to the left of their political beliefs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This whole thread is pathetic, the only thing it has shown me is a list of people who are so childish you could never debate a subject with them, i am sure I would get more sense from a bunch of 5 yr olds, some of you really do need to grow up."

You don’t have to read it,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Read the chapter.....

So a word that was ok several centuries ago is ok but other words or actions arent, double standards"

Yes, that’s the crux of it, the status quo.

Only one group that can be slagged off with impunity and folks applauded for it.

Every one else is precious and beyond scrutiny.

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By *eanoCoolMan over a year ago

wisbech

No i don't, read enough already, you carry on and enjoy yourselves.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"You don’t have to read it, "

but how will they take offence at nothing in order to get angry and raise their blood pressure & and start ranting at left wingers if they don't?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No i don't, read enough already, you carry on and enjoy yourselves."

I don’t understand, your still here reading though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Read the chapter.....

So a word that was ok several centuries ago is ok but other words or actions arent, double standards

Yes, that’s the crux of it, the status quo.

Only one group that can be slagged off with impunity and folks applauded for it.

Every one else is precious and beyond scrutiny."

Do you get red faced and angry about Brexit and ‘left wing woke’ ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not specifically about somebody who is racist.

If you accept that the word nigger is offensive to black people you have to accept that at least some white people find gammon offensive.

So being offensive/racist to some white people is ok then. You wouldnt dare say that the word nigger is only offensive to some black people."

Spot on

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By *isandhers691127Couple over a year ago

Bournemouth

I look forward to the Tarantino film , set at the golf course. Three middle aged men looking at a set of clubs in the boot " yo my gammon" If this upsets you my gammon, then you must be a snowflake. Peace out to my gammon posse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Read the chapter.....

So a word that was ok several centuries ago is ok but other words or actions arent, double standards

Yes, that’s the crux of it, the status quo.

Only one group that can be slagged off with impunity and folks applauded for it.

Every one else is precious and beyond scrutiny.

Do you get red faced and angry about Brexit and ‘left wing woke’ ? "

I bet sizzling in a hot pan covered in oil is how hot

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

What matters is that it is the discourse of the sewer. It’s like calling a Jew a k**e or mocking African Americans for eating fried chicken. It’s like calling poor white Americans trailer trash. So much of this sounds like American culture wars transported, horribly and no doubt eternally, to England. It reeks of class snobbery too; no wonder it is popular with the socialist bourgeoisie who, like Citizen Kane, talk about the people as if they own them.

Much of this racism is oblivious, of course, but most racism is oblivious. It isn’t all shooting people in the face. To do that, you must first dehumanise them. And I can’t really think of a better modern example of dehumanisation than comparing your fellow voter to a pig because you don’t like his politics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What matters is that it is the discourse of the sewer. It’s like calling a Jew a k**e or mocking African Americans for eating fried chicken. It’s like calling poor white Americans trailer trash. So much of this sounds like American culture wars transported, horribly and no doubt eternally, to England. It reeks of class snobbery too; no wonder it is popular with the socialist bourgeoisie who, like Citizen Kane, talk about the people as if they own them.

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"gammon is what white people call other white people

I'm white and have never used the term to another white person, or indeed, any other person.

It may be trendy parlance in Shoreditch or Islington, but up here, gammon is what we have with chips and egg. "

and no pineapple

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

I had a lovely piece of gammon for dinner last night. With pineapple. No fried egg.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it "

do my legs look pink? thats not fake tan, its pointless banning a word, people like the the sewer, in the same way they complain about global warming and then leave tons of rubbish strewn across parks... unfortunately many arent even be true to themselves

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it . "

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not "

It doesn’t offend me in the slightest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not

It doesn’t offend me in the slightest "

Because you are the one calling people Gammon instead of being called it tbf..

Why would anyone use it against you? You from what i have seen are Pro remain, seem to be generally left-wing/progressive. Even though the left/paradigm is ultimately pointless in reality

Tbh anyone who uses the term same as snowflake in an arguement is obviously thick and has lost the debate anyway

We have had this arguement before, if you wanna sign up with the progressive side being called "gammon" could be construde as colourism. Its like the white version of a black person calling another black person a "coconut" for voting Tory

But doing it to white people is fine in the progressive/idenity politics world as they believe in general that you cant be racist against whites. The Prejudice Plus Power = Racism arguement, which is absolute nonsense. As the real issue is Class not Race

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not

It doesn’t offend me in the slightest

Because you are the one calling people Gammon instead of being called it tbf..

Why would anyone use it against you? You from what i have seen are Pro remain, seem to be generally left-wing/progressive. Even though the left/paradigm is ultimately pointless in reality

Tbh anyone who uses the term same as snowflake in an arguement is obviously thick and has lost the debate anyway

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not

It doesn’t offend me in the slightest

Because you are the one calling people Gammon instead of being called it tbf..

Why would anyone use it against you? You from what i have seen are Pro remain, seem to be generally left-wing/progressive. Even though the left/paradigm is ultimately pointless in reality

Tbh anyone who uses the term same as snowflake in an arguement is obviously thick and has lost the debate anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not

It doesn’t offend me in the slightest

Because you are the one calling people Gammon instead of being called it tbf..

Why would anyone use it against you? You from what i have seen are Pro remain, seem to be generally left-wing/progressive. Even though the left/paradigm is ultimately pointless in reality

Tbh anyone who uses the term same as snowflake in an arguement is obviously thick and has lost the debate anyway

Very concise and very articulate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not

It doesn’t offend me in the slightest

Because you are the one calling people Gammon instead of being called it tbf..

Why would anyone use it against you? You from what i have seen are Pro remain, seem to be generally left-wing/progressive. Even though the left/paradigm is ultimately pointless in reality

Tbh anyone who uses the term same as snowflake in an arguement is obviously thick and has lost the debate anyway

I have never been called gammon, I have never specifically directed the term gammon at an individual and I won’t be using the term on here again as I can see it has really upset some people . I get really offended by people using the term woke (anti racist ) as an insult, but I doubt it will stop people using it as such

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Do gammon kids start out in life by being constantly bullied by non-gammon kids? Do they then find that their adult lives are made harder because they are occasionally outraged by the suggestion of a more equal society?

Actually I think the gammon/ Karen comparison is a fair and interesting one......

Is gammon anymore insulting than snowflake?

And in a way since the dickens definition of gammon still is a relevant one... is it the reason that “some” get offended isn’t a faux racist one... but because the original definition hits a bit too close to home.....

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Its far better to debate sensibly, rather than scatter-gunning labels around, especially at people that you don't know.

I'm all for outright racism and predujice being called out, and I'm heartened to see that this is generally the case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why don’t you start a petition and try to get the word banned on social media ? You can’t just standby, do nothing and ignore it

By ignoring it you are condoning it, if it offends you then do something about it .

Personally I see it as a form of dehuminsation of your fellow voter for not thinking the same way as you.

Doesnt mean I find it offensive, I'm an adult not a 11 year old child. Words are words, it's up to you to take offense or not

It doesn’t offend me in the slightest

Because you are the one calling people Gammon instead of being called it tbf..

Why would anyone use it against you? You from what i have seen are Pro remain, seem to be generally left-wing/progressive. Even though the left/paradigm is ultimately pointless in reality

Tbh anyone who uses the term same as snowflake in an arguement is obviously thick and has lost the debate anyway

The difference is in reality alot of the "woke" (i dont really use the term either, atleast in debate. Or try not too) are the actual racists, using the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Noticed how alot of socialists/marxists ect now are dropping alot of the class stuff in favour of race. Which is amazing as kinda shows that the arguement that National Socialism was not a form of Facism as people like to believe, but Socialism based on Race not Class, is actually possibly correct.

Just because something had captilist tendancies at the time doesnt change the goal, Hitler had what 12 years to implement what he wanted. The Soviet Union failed at creating a communist utopia (socialism being the route to communism according to Stalin and Engels) and they had nearly a 100 years...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Actually I think the gammon/ Karen comparison is a fair and interesting one......

Is gammon anymore insulting than snowflake?

Are you saying only Gammons feel pain ?

What about the wokes the snowflakes the millennials ?

The vitriol poured out by Gammons just because they are good

With eggs or cabbage .

Snowflakes with eggs or cabbage is just muyuklch !

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive"

Can you translate that into something that's understandable

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

If I get angry about something what does that make me? Burnt gammon maybe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive

Can you translate that into something that's understandable"

When Gammons say something Nasty its fine

When Non Gammons say something Nasty its not fine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To me, the word still seems like an insult based on skin colour which is not acceptable. The emotional state and political leanings that are supposed to define the term are meaningless. If you call an angry black conservative voter the n-word, you're still calling a black man the n-word and that is equally unacceptable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To me, the word still seems like an insult based on skin colour which is not acceptable. The emotional state and political leanings that are supposed to define the term are meaningless. If you call an angry black conservative voter the n-word, you're still calling a black man the n-word and that is equally unacceptable."

I wouldnt call an angry Politician anything .

I'm White but im not a Gammon , therefore it cant be racist .

It can be offensive if you let it though .

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive

Can you translate that into something that's understandable

When Gammons say something Nasty its fine

When Non Gammons say something Nasty its not fine"

Who has claimed that ? Why does anyone have to turn nasty, cant you debate nicely ? Gammon is a racist term, it's used to be intentionally offensive, but I guess it says more about you than the people it's used against,

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By *isandhers691127Couple over a year ago

Bournemouth

Good to see you being woke regarding racist language but aren't you engaging in cancel culture now?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Good to see you being woke regarding racist language but aren't you engaging in cancel culture now?"

Definitely, it's what happens when people get hyper sensitive, others started it so cant complain when its gets returned to them, oops it appears they can complain about being called out on being hypocrites.

I try to be nice to everyone,

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By *ausageNmashCouple over a year ago

Andover

"Good to see you being woke regarding racist language but aren't you engaging in cancel culture now?

I try to be nice to everyone, "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive

Can you translate that into something that's understandable

When Gammons say something Nasty its fine

When Non Gammons say something Nasty its not fine

I have lots of white friends &

Some have been called Gammon by fellow white people .

Its not racist as Gammons are not a race .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive

Can you translate that into something that's understandable

When Gammons say something Nasty its fine

When Non Gammons say something Nasty its not fine

I have lots of white friends &

Some have been called Gammon by fellow white people .

Its not racist as Gammons are not a race .

Neither are Racoons but Black people use it as slur amongst themselves in exactly the same way...

"I, a black person, can call another black person a coon/Uncle Tom because of the way they engage in politics/society."

White/Black and Coon/Gammon are interchangable in that statement

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

Can a black person be a Gammon?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive

Can you translate that into something that's understandable

When Gammons say something Nasty its fine

When Non Gammons say something Nasty its not fine

I have lots of white friends &

Some have been called Gammon by fellow white people .

Its not racist as Gammons are not a race .

Neither are Racoons but Black people use it as slur amongst themselves in exactly the same way...

"I, a black person, can call another black person a coon/Uncle Tom because of the way they engage in politics/society."

White/Black and Coon/Gammon are interchangable in that statement "

The word "coon" in this sense doesn't come from "raccoon", it comes from the word "barracoon" which was a secured enclosure in which black sl*ves were confined before being taken to the market.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

gammon faux outrage is just that, faux outrage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can a black person be a Gammon?"

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way .

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Can a black person be a Gammon?

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way ."

interesting but does not answer the question. Can a black person be a Gammon?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"interesting that gammons call for the right to offend people in one instance and in another instance demand that the phrase gammon is canceled because they pretend to find it offensive

Can you translate that into something that's understandable

When Gammons say something Nasty its fine

When Non Gammons say something Nasty its not fine

I have lots of white friends &

Some have been called Gammon by fellow white people .

Its not racist as Gammons are not a race .

Neither are Racoons but Black people use it as slur amongst themselves in exactly the same way...

"I, a black person, can call another black person a coon/Uncle Tom because of the way they engage in politics/society."

White/Black and Coon/Gammon are interchangable in that statement

The word "coon" in this sense doesn't come from "raccoon", it comes from the word "barracoon" which was a secured enclosure in which black sl*ves were confined before being taken to the market."

As far as i know it comes from blackface

[Short for RACCOON. Sense 2, perhaps after Zip Coon, an African American character (depicted as an upstart freeman) in the song “Zip Coon” frequently sung in 19th-century blackface minstrel shows (the character perhaps being so named in reference to the black facial mask of the raccoon and to the practice of hunting and eating raccoons frequently mentioned in minstrel show songs), possibly influenced by 19th-century slang coon, rural white American (often one of modest means and opposed to the slve-owning Southern establishment), fellow, so called in reference to the association of coonskin with American frontiersmen.]

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can a black person be a Gammon?

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way .

interesting but does not answer the question. Can a black person be a Gammon?"

I dont know im white & I cant be a gammon .

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By *ilkysmooth123Man over a year ago

nr sedbergh

"Can a black person be a Gammon?

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way .

interesting but does not answer the question. Can a black person be a Gammon?"

Of course 'gammon' cant be used to describe a black person , no more than 'nigger' can be used to describe a white person.

So for sure its racist.

The op knew this when he started this thread.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Can a black person be a Gammon?

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way .

interesting but does not answer the question. Can a black person be a Gammon?

I dont know im white & I cant be a gammon .

so you cant be a gammon because you are white then who can?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

The n word has nothing to do with being a conservative, so you're insulting the man's race.

If you call a conservative man a gammon you're insulting his politics.

Insulting someone's politics isn't racist.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Good to see we are still having those heavy hitting serious political discussions in this forum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can a black person be a Gammon?

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way .

interesting but does not answer the question. Can a black person be a Gammon?

I dont know im white & I cant be a gammon .

so you cant be a gammon because you are white then who can?"

I cant be a gammon because i am not of the political Right & dont get angry when my arguments get ripped to shreds .

One who does get angry when there politically right of centelre politics get ripped to shreds can be described as a GAMMON .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The n word has nothing to do with being a conservative, so you're insulting the man's race.

If you call a conservative man a gammon you're insulting his politics.

Insulting someone's politics isn't racist. "

Shhussh they dont realise that part yet !!

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Can a black person be a Gammon?

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way .

interesting but does not answer the question. Can a black person be a Gammon?

I dont know im white & I cant be a gammon .

so you cant be a gammon because you are white then who can?

I cant be a gammon because i am not of the political Right & dont get angry when my arguments get ripped to shreds .

One who does get angry when there politically right of centelre politics get ripped to shreds can be described as a GAMMON .

Ok I got a bit side tracked when you said you could not be a Gammon because you are white ( no mention of political leanings)

So can a black person who is on the right side of politics and gets angry be a Gammon?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can a black person be a Gammon?

If they are Police officers, i am sure they might have heard the term

Pig thrown there way .

interesting but does not answer the question. Can a black person be a Gammon?

I dont know im white & I cant be a gammon .

so you cant be a gammon because you are white then who can?

I cant be a gammon because i am not of the political Right & dont get angry when my arguments get ripped to shreds .

One who does get angry when there politically right of centelre politics get ripped to shreds can be described as a GAMMON .

Ok I got a bit side tracked when you said you could not be a Gammon because you are white ( no mention of political leanings)

So can a black person who is on the right side of politics and gets angry be a Gammon?"

According to the definition, no they cannot

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Ok I got a bit side tracked when you said you could not be a Gammon because you are white ( no mention of political leanings)

So can a black person who is on the right side of politics and gets angry be a Gammon?"

Absolutely...... James cleverly for example for me is a prime example of “gammon”

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

Ok I got a bit side tracked when you said you could not be a Gammon because you are white ( no mention of political leanings)

So can a black person who is on the right side of politics and gets angry be a Gammon?

Absolutely...... James cleverly for example for me is a prime example of “gammon”"

seems to be a difference in opinion here then as others say its a white person going red with anger

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

Ok I got a bit side tracked when you said you could not be a Gammon because you are white ( no mention of political leanings)

So can a black person who is on the right side of politics and gets angry be a Gammon?

Absolutely...... James cleverly for example for me is a prime example of “gammon”"

Shaun Failey AM also in aproximately 4 weeks time

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By *ammisuxTV/TS over a year ago

Uxbridge

I could not agree more.

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By *ausageNmashCouple over a year ago

Andover

I could not agree more."

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By *isandhers691127Couple over a year ago

Bournemouth

Coming here for a reasoned and logical debate is like watching question time for a wank.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Coming here for a reasoned and logical debate is like watching question time for a wank.

Exactly, it is the politics section on a sex site forum

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

After this thread.

Are we allowed to discuss UKIPs candidate in the "London Mayor Election" thread?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After this thread.

Are we allowed to discuss UKIPs candidate in the "London Mayor Election" thread?"

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By *inkywife1981Couple over a year ago

A town near you

Not sure who or what qualifies as "gammon"

However over the last decade I've worked in the UK many times and usually amongst or with working class guys mid twenties to late forties and many of them from afro carribean families and 2nd or 2rd generation Irish.

In general all these guys were pro brexit and critical of the government immigration controls as they constantly talked about how their neighbourhoods had been destroyed by immigration especially by Roma people.

And how the government were to soft etc etc on asylum seekers.

Does mean that the black guys I met were gammon also? Or is there a different term for disgruntled black working classes and disgruntled white working classes?

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"After this thread.

Are we allowed to discuss UKIPs candidate in the "London Mayor Election" thread?"

I have started a London Mayor thread. Feel free to discuss all candidates there!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure who or what qualifies as "gammon"

And how the government were to soft etc etc on asylum seekers.

Does mean that the black guys I met were gammon also? Or is there a different term for disgruntled black working classes and disgruntled white working classes?"

They were definitely gammon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure who or what qualifies as "gammon"

And how the government were to soft etc etc on asylum seekers.

Does mean that the black guys I met were gammon also? Or is there a different term for disgruntled black working classes and disgruntled white working classes?"

I don't use the term.

But my understanding is it would apply to people who are susceptible to right wing propaganda blaming immigration for everything and deflecting attention away from the real causes of the issues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After this thread.

Are we allowed to discuss UKIPs candidate in the "London Mayor Election" thread?

I have started a London Mayor thread. Feel free to discuss all candidates there!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok I got a bit side tracked when you said you could not be a Gammon because you are white ( no mention of political leanings)

So can a black person who is on the right side of politics and gets angry be a Gammon?

Absolutely...... James cleverly for example for me is a prime example of “gammon”

seems to be a difference in opinion here then as others say its a white person going red with anger"

The term started out being white men on the political right , but like humans it can evolve .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't you just love it when people who use the dictionary for certain definitions argue that the dictionary definition of other words is wrong and just adapt them to suit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday ."

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

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By *isandhers691127Couple over a year ago

Bournemouth

I had great expectations for this thread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?"

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday ."

So what is the thinking behind the word gammon?. On this thread and other poster's have said its because that's the kind of colour a white person goes when they get angry (right wing only of course). This kind of made sense for the description but now it's claimed black people can also be gammon (again right wing only). The visual description no longer works so why the word gammon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?"

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary? "

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that"

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary? "

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens "

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary? "

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?? "

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

"
Welcome to the merry go round

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

Just to clarify, Dickens didn’t write the dictionary and nobody on here suggested he did , back to the OP.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

Just to clarify, Dickens didn’t write the dictionary and nobody on here suggested he did , back to the OP. "

My point exactly. If Dickens didn't write the dictionary, why are the left so keen to use his definition of he word?

It's 200 years outdated. His meaning of the word isn't the current definition, you’ll find the current definition in the dictionary, which clearly mentions race.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

Just to clarify, Dickens didn’t write the dictionary and nobody on here suggested he did , back to the OP.

My point exactly. If Dickens didn't write the dictionary, why are the left so keen to use his definition of he word?

It's 200 years outdated. His meaning of the word isn't the current definition, you’ll find the current definition in the dictionary, which clearly mentions race."

This is what the dictionary says:

"A white man who is middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old) and whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right):

He's just an old gammon stuck in the past.

What an unpleasant bunch of angry, dim-witted gammon they are."

My assumption was not necessarily in line with this definition. I last remember saying it when the UKIP + EDL ect marched across parts of the UK in some sort of pro Brexit protest a couple of years back.

Regardless, if it's racially offensive, then there are better ways to describe people.

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

Just to clarify, Dickens didn’t write the dictionary and nobody on here suggested he did , back to the OP.

My point exactly. If Dickens didn't write the dictionary, why are the left so keen to use his definition of he word?

It's 200 years outdated. His meaning of the word isn't the current definition, you’ll find the current definition in the dictionary, which clearly mentions race.

This is what the dictionary says:

"A white man who is middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old) and whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right):

He's just an old gammon stuck in the past.

What an unpleasant bunch of angry, dim-witted gammon they are."

Regardless, if it's racially offensive, then there are better ways to describe people."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

Just to clarify, Dickens didn’t write the dictionary and nobody on here suggested he did , back to the OP.

My point exactly. If Dickens didn't write the dictionary, why are the left so keen to use his definition of he word?

It's 200 years outdated. His meaning of the word isn't the current definition, you’ll find the current definition in the dictionary, which clearly mentions race.

This is what the dictionary says:

"A white man who is middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old) and whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right):

He's just an old gammon stuck in the past.

What an unpleasant bunch of angry, dim-witted gammon they are."

Regardless, if it's racially offensive, then there are better ways to describe people."

TBH I'm way more offended by the double standards of the people who use the word than the word itself.

I've said this plenty of times, you cannot in one hand say certain words are racist and in the other hand argue that gammon isn't. Especially when shown the definition which clearly mentions race.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

Just to clarify, Dickens didn’t write the dictionary and nobody on here suggested he did , back to the OP.

My point exactly. If Dickens didn't write the dictionary, why are the left so keen to use his definition of he word?

It's 200 years outdated. His meaning of the word isn't the current definition, you’ll find the current definition in the dictionary, which clearly mentions race.

This is what the dictionary says:

"A white man who is middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old) and whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right):

He's just an old gammon stuck in the past.

What an unpleasant bunch of angry, dim-witted gammon they are."

Regardless, if it's racially offensive, then there are better ways to describe people.

TBH I'm way more offended by the double standards of the people who use the word than the word itself.

I've said this plenty of times, you cannot in one hand say certain words are racist and in the other hand argue that gammon isn't. Especially when shown the definition which clearly mentions race."

Double standards are everywhere though.

Plenty of people calling out "gammon" but use a myriad of insults every day.

I'm sure we're all guilty of using insults when we could have described what we didn't like about someone's post in a more articulate way. All we can do is try to be better about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People ?

Charles Dickens isn't people !

He is one of the great authors of not only his day

But everyday .

Did Charles Dickens write the dictionary?

Did he even offer a definition?

Did you read the O.P ?

There is a clue .

I read the OP. It doesn't offer a definition.

I'll ask again, did Dickens write the dictionary?

No he didn’t, who did write the current dictionary?

It's easy enough to find the answer to that

Cba looking, do you know who wrote the current dictionary?

Yeah I know. It wasn't Dickens

Who said that Dickens wrote the dictionary?

When speaking of definitions I prefer to refer to a dictionary than a guy who wrote of a words meaning 200 years ago.

Maybe try reading the thread before engaging

I did, nobody said that Dickens wrote the dictionary??

No they didn't. I asked if he did. After I spoke of definitions, and someone else spoke of Dickens.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're talking about now. Your level of intellect is too much for me

Just to clarify, Dickens didn’t write the dictionary and nobody on here suggested he did , back to the OP.

My point exactly. If Dickens didn't write the dictionary, why are the left so keen to use his definition of he word?

It's 200 years outdated. His meaning of the word isn't the current definition, you’ll find the current definition in the dictionary, which clearly mentions race.

This is what the dictionary says:

"A white man who is middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old) and whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right):

He's just an old gammon stuck in the past.

What an unpleasant bunch of angry, dim-witted gammon they are."

Regardless, if it's racially offensive, then there are better ways to describe people.

TBH I'm way more offended by the double standards of the people who use the word than the word itself.

I've said this plenty of times, you cannot in one hand say certain words are racist and in the other hand argue that gammon isn't. Especially when shown the definition which clearly mentions race.

Double standards are everywhere though.

Plenty of people calling out "gammon" but use a myriad of insults every day.

I'm sure we're all guilty of using insults when we could have described what we didn't like about someone's post in a more articulate way. All we can do is try to be better about it. "

I think we would both agree that some insults are petty at worst but ones that have racial connotations have absolutely no place.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

so we can all breathe easy knowing the term gammon is a political description for angry entitled aggressive right wing types who like to shout down anyone who disagrees with their political leanings or even perpetually attempts to cancel anything they regard as leftist.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"so we can all breathe easy knowing the term gammon is a political description for angry entitled aggressive right wing types who like to shout down anyone who disagrees with their political leanings or even perpetually attempts to cancel anything they regard as leftist.

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people"

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB "

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry"

Aren't the left constantly being accused of being angry for discussing things like the reality of brexit?

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry

Aren't the left constantly being accused of being angry for discussing things like the reality of brexit?"

Apparently it's only right wing people who change colour when angry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry

Aren't the left constantly being accused of being angry for discussing things like the reality of brexit?

Apparently it's only right wing people who change colour when angry"

Oh I see.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry

Aren't the left constantly being accused of being angry for discussing things like the reality of brexit?

Apparently it's only right wing people who change colour when angry"

Who told you that ?

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By *uliaChrisCouple over a year ago

westerham

How is this rubbish thread still going

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How is this rubbish thread still going "

Because people keep posting on it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How is this rubbish thread still going "

The irony

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry"

Who cares about charm ?

Who said we were Angry

You Gammons have just called us Lunatics forever .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How is this rubbish thread still going

The irony

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry

Who cares about charm ?

Who said we were Angry

You Gammons have just called us Lunatics forever .

Seems you don't care that's for sure but do seem angry. Still not a surprise

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So it's an offensive term.

We can collectively try to move away from such cheap insults and try to make the politics part of the forum more civil, and try to enjoy a good old debate with people who are our advisories but not our enemies?

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Lewisham

Can I call racist cunts racist cunts? Or people who object to the phrase "racist cunts" racist cunts?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can I call racist cunts racist cunts? Or people who object to the phrase "racist cunts" racist cunts?"

Say anything to anyone you want.

Just be nice to discuss some things without people insulting eachother.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry

Who cares about charm ?

Who said we were Angry

You Gammons have just called us Lunatics forever .

Seems you don't care that's for sure but do seem angry. Still not a surprise"

What have i got to be angry about ?

Im not a GAMMON

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

Against white people only though. Do left wing people look different when angry to right wing people

Gammons are right wing .

Now shut up being offended by the term Gammon &

Get back to calling us Lefties LOONIES .

The sooner that happens the sooner the SNOWFLAKES

can leave the argument & let the rest of us get back to the

Fabulous Madhouse .

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

A charming contribution as ever. Thought the left did not get angry

Who cares about charm ?

Who said we were Angry

You Gammons have just called us Lunatics forever .

Seems you don't care that's for sure but do seem angry. Still not a surprise

What have i got to be angry about ?

Im not a GAMMON

me neither and am more than happy not to throw around insults especially anything racist

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"Can I call racist cunts racist cunts? Or people who object to the phrase "racist cunts" racist cunts?

Say anything to anyone you want.

Just be nice to discuss some things without people insulting eachother. "

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"Can I call racist cunts racist cunts? Or people who object to the phrase "racist cunts" racist cunts?

Say anything to anyone you want.

Just be nice to discuss some things without people insulting eachother.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Calling someone a Gammon is far less insulting

than calling them a racist C*nt!

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Calling someone a Gammon is far less insulting

than calling them a racist C*nt!"

An insult is an insult and only those on the receiving end can judge how insulting it is. It's not a good or clever thing to do and only reflects on those dishing them out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Calling someone a Gammon is far less insulting

than calling them a racist C*nt!

An insult is an insult and only those on the receiving end can judge how insulting it is. It's not a good or clever thing to do and only reflects on those dishing them out"

No an Insult is an Insult

A Racist slur is a Racist Slur !

Huge difference . Maybe you need to re-evaluate your thoughts .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So it's an offensive term.

You’ll end up with a nosebleed trying to be that reasonable on a brainlet thread

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Calling someone a Gammon is far less insulting

than calling them a racist C*nt!

An insult is an insult and only those on the receiving end can judge how insulting it is. It's not a good or clever thing to do and only reflects on those dishing them out

No an Insult is an Insult

A Racist slur is a Racist Slur !

Huge difference . Maybe you need to re-evaluate your thoughts .

A racist slur is an insult and as I said insults are not a good thing and reflect on those dishing them out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Calling someone a Gammon is far less insulting

than calling them a racist C*nt!

An insult is an insult and only those on the receiving end can judge how insulting it is. It's not a good or clever thing to do and only reflects on those dishing them out

No an Insult is an Insult

A Racist slur is a Racist Slur !

Huge difference . Maybe you need to re-evaluate your thoughts .

A racist slur is an insult and as I said insults are not a good thing and reflect on those dishing them out "

A Racist is just a Bigoted un- intelligent fool with deep rooted hatred .

An Insult is something said on the fly & has no malevolance attached .

For example

He/she is an ugly fugger , is an insult .

That _____ ( insert race/creed as applicable )

Fugger is damned Ugly !

An Insult is far less reaching & nowhere near as degrading as a racial Slur .

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Calling someone a Gammon is far less insulting

than calling them a racist C*nt!

An insult is an insult and only those on the receiving end can judge how insulting it is. It's not a good or clever thing to do and only reflects on those dishing them out

No an Insult is an Insult

A Racist slur is a Racist Slur !

Huge difference . Maybe you need to re-evaluate your thoughts .

A racist slur is an insult and as I said insults are not a good thing and reflect on those dishing them out

A Racist is just a Bigoted un- intelligent fool with deep rooted hatred .

An Insult is something said on the fly & has no malevolance attached .

For example

He/she is an ugly fugger , is an insult .

That _____ ( insert race/creed as applicable )

Fugger is damned Ugly !

An Insult is far less reaching & nowhere near as degrading as a racial Slur . "

So you don't think racial slurs are an insult then?

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By *andelgriffinMan over a year ago

Leics

The term 'gammon' is racist as it applies to a specific group of people based on their skin colour. We should not excuse one racist term while condemning another, that is the very definition of hypocrisy and double standards.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The term 'gammon' is racist as it applies to a specific group of people based on their skin colour. We should not excuse one racist term while condemning another, that is the very definition of hypocrisy and double standards."

I wholeheartedly agree.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

Earlier in this thread and others people say the term gammon refers to a white person getting angry. Apparently only those who are right of centre though. No explanation as to why it does not fit with left of centre people. Then it's claimed (by one person only) that black people can also be gammon but of course the visuals don't work. So we are left with an insult where it specifically states what colour the person to be insulted is. It's totally racist and shameful for those that stoop to such low levels.

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