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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
As the first thread proved so popular (or unpopular based on your political viewpoint) and got closed due to length...here is part 2.
Purpose is to highlight the corrupt and inept activities of our current government.
Defenders and distractors will likely post some top class whataboutism to excuse or justify the actions of this current shower! Well you did last time!
To be clear, as OP I want to point out that I am not doing this to bash the Tories per se (sure others will want to). I honestly do not think the current government are recognisably Conservatives. They are a bunch or morally bankrupt, self serving, opportunistic thieves. But that’s just my opinion! |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Gonna repost this to start as such a biggie...
“Good Law Project is now able to reveal the names of six more companies awarded PPE contracts through the controversial’ VIP’ fast-track lane for associates of ministers and advisers. These six firms landed nearly half a billion pounds of public contracts – all without competition – and were uncovered in documents prised from Government in the course of our litigation:
Uniserve Limited is a logistics firm controlled by Iain Liddell. Prior to the pandemic, the firm had no experience in supplying PPE, yet the firm landed a staggering £300m+ in PPE contracts from the DHSC and an eye-watering £572m deal to provide freight services for the supply of PPE. The company shares the same address as Cabinet Minister Julia Lopez MP and is based in her constituency.
Draeger Safety UK Ltd which is a subsidiary of the Germany based Draeger AG, landed a direct award contract in July 2020 to supply FFP3 masks valued at £87m.
Urathon Europe Limited, a Wiltshire based supplier of wheelchair accessories, was handed two contracts worth £74m to supply face masks. Correspondence released during our recent PPE hearing revealed the Urathon contracts were ‘escalated through VIP Channel’.
First Aid For Sport Limited, SanaClis, and Global United Trading and Sourcing PTE Ltd were awarded contracts from the DHSC worth a combined total of £28.6m.
The six companies revealed here are in addition to the six other ‘VIPs’ previously revealed by Good Law Project. In April we revealed documents showing P14 Medical, Luxe Lifestyle, and Meller Designs were fast-tracked down the ‘VIP’ route alongside Pestfix and Ayanda. P14 Medical, run by a Tory donor and ex-Tory councillor, was awarded £276m in PPE contracts. Meller Designs, run by another large Tory donor, David Meller, won more than £160m of PPE contracts. Luxe Lifestyle, a tiny recently-formed company with no staff and no experience in buying and selling PPE, was awarded a contract worth £26m after being referred to the VIP lane by an MP.
This followed our scoop last December that Government had handed PPE Medpro, a firm linked to an associate of a Conservative peer with mystery investors, £200m of PPE contracts via the ‘high-priority lane.’
It’s been months of battle to get here. Why is Government so determined to keep the names of VIPs hidden? At whose request did they get ushered through the VIP lane? Documents revealed during our High Court hearing last month show civil servants were “drowning” in referrals from politically connected individuals, which were “consuming bandwidth to progressing viable opportunities”.
The NAO says 47 companies received PPE contracts after being referred to the VIP lane. Our investigations and cases have so far revealed the names of 12 of those companies.” |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Building cladding scandal since Grenfell...
“Property developers who built flats covered in dangerous cladding donated £2.5 million to the
Conservative since the #Grenfell fire in 2017,
BorisJohnson has personally received £50,000 from individuals with links to the #CladdingScandal.
Examples:
• Reuben Brothers (European Land and Property) donated £200,000 to the Conservatives 2019 election.
• Jamie Reuben donated £50,000 personally to the BorisJohnson
• Jamie Ritblat (Delancey) donated £100,000 to the Conservatives during the 2019 election.
• During the #coronavirus pandemic, the 3 biggest housebuilders made 3 billion.
• Persimmon is expecting to report £850 million in profits in its final results for 2020.
•Redrow’s founder has given more than £1.1 million to the Conservatives since the GrenfellTower fire.
Under the slogan "Making Industry Pay Its Fair Share" A Govt press release claims "a new tax will be introduced for the UK residential property development sector". One leading developer dismissed the £200 million-a-year tax as not “a massive amount”.
Robert Jenrick announced a £5.1 billion package to remove cladding on buildings over 18m & loans to strip cladding from blocks between 11m & 18m, anyone who cannot afford the loan or living under 11 meters have the option to "jump" should their cladding catch fire.” |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Not my words but this is good...
“The UK is currently unsure about whether Brexit would be good or bad for the NHS, because a Prime Minister who studied Greek Poetry at university says it'll be good, but The BMA (Doctors), the RCN (Nurses), RCM (Midwives), RCRadiologists, RCGP (GPs) say it'll be bad.” |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"So this thread is kind of like a notice board. Not really a discussion thread at all. You’re not really open to other viewpoints that might shift your perspective?"
I would be interested to discuss how you can justify or excuse corruption and/or ineptitude. I think it should be perfectly possible to do that without resorting to “xyz did it and they are just as bad” because that isn’t an excuse or justification.
What’s that old saying “two wrongs don’t make a right”.
So feel free to discuss! |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
PMQ challenge from
Ian Blackford
“Tory ministers were using COVID-19 contracts for constitutional campaigning instead of saving lives. We need an inquiry into this gross misuse of public money, these contracts were meant for things like PPE and to help our NHS. Those responsible must be held to account.”
Apparently revealed in high court papers that Gove diverted over £500k meant for PPE to polling companies run by cronies and ex colleagues. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So this thread is kind of like a notice board. Not really a discussion thread at all. You’re not really open to other viewpoints that might shift your perspective?
I would be interested to discuss how you can justify or excuse corruption and/or ineptitude. I think it should be perfectly possible to do that without resorting to “xyz did it and they are just as bad” because that isn’t an excuse or justification.
What’s that old saying “two wrongs don’t make a right”.
So feel free to discuss!"
They can't justify it. It's why they always resort to distraction/evasion/whataboutism etc |
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"PMQ challenge from
Ian Blackford
“Tory ministers were using COVID-19 contracts for constitutional campaigning instead of saving lives. We need an inquiry into this gross misuse of public money, these contracts were meant for things like PPE and to help our NHS. Those responsible must be held to account.”
Apparently revealed in high court papers that Gove diverted over £500k meant for PPE to polling companies run by cronies and ex colleagues."
Yes but something about corbyn and Abbott.
Its just shows how much of a sham this country is.
In a fully functioning ciuntry that buffoon would be on the stand and he wouldnt be allowed to go,until he had actually answered the question.
It's a joke. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"May I just observe that the whataboutism in this thread so far is the usual crew claiming that someone will say what about, and getting upset about it.
Just lol. 
Don’t you start!"
He's right though. If you look at pt.1 of this thread it was full of it before anyone even thought about commenting.
It's like they've run out of debate and every thread turns into the same old  |
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"May I just observe that the whataboutism in this thread so far is the usual crew claiming that someone will say what about, and getting upset about it.
Just lol.
Don’t you start!
He's right though. If you look at pt.1 of this thread it was full of it before anyone even thought about commenting.
It's like they've run out of debate and every thread turns into the same old "
Probally something to do with anyone pointing out something the gmnt have done the standard response is..but what about
Pointing out it doesnt mean it doesnt happen over and over again.
Corbyn has probally been mentioned more on here in the last year, than when he was leader. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"May I just observe that the whataboutism in this thread so far is the usual crew claiming that someone will say what about, and getting upset about it.
Just lol.
Don’t you start!
He's right though. If you look at pt.1 of this thread it was full of it before anyone even thought about commenting.
It's like they've run out of debate and every thread turns into the same old
Probally something to do with anyone pointing out something the gmnt have done the standard response is..but what about
Pointing out it doesnt mean it doesnt happen over and over again.
Corbyn has probally been mentioned more on here in the last year, than when he was leader."
Has that happened here or in pt.1?
It actually happens way more often from your mob than it does from others.
As I've already said 'you have no debate'.
Yoire the first to complain about whataboutery and deflection yet you're the worst for it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"“Ministers will push to privatise Channel 4 in TV shake-up.
This is pure spite from a government that runs scared from journalistic scrutiny.“
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Restrictions to be placed on others
Like Netflix etc |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"May I just observe that the whataboutism in this thread so far is the usual crew claiming that someone will say what about, and getting upset about it.
Just lol.
Don’t you start!
He's right though. If you look at pt.1 of this thread it was full of it before anyone even thought about commenting.
It's like they've run out of debate and every thread turns into the same old "
Sorry too busy oggling your pics to reply!
Still makes me chuckle sometimes - how surreal it is to be discussing politics or the virus when our avatars are full of cock, pussy, tits and arse! |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Bercow: ‘I've never known a worse government than this. I've never seen one causing so much damage to the fabric of our society. I felt it necessary to make it clear that, so far as am concerned, we have to get behind the opposition and defeat it.’ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bercow: ‘I've never known a worse government than this. I've never seen one causing so much damage to the fabric of our society. I felt it necessary to make it clear that, so far as am concerned, we have to get behind the opposition and defeat it.’
“Please, please, pleeeeaaasssse can I have a peerage”
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Why would YOU want a Peerage ? |
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"Bercow: ‘I've never known a worse government than this. I've never seen one causing so much damage to the fabric of our society. I felt it necessary to make it clear that, so far as am concerned, we have to get behind the opposition and defeat it.’"
Bercow: “Please, please, pleeeeaaasssse can I have a peerage”
Labour: “Well John, you’re going to have to show us how much you really want it… you can start by saying some bad things about them nasty tories and oh it might be an idea not to be splashing out on expensive tickets to posh tennis tournaments - it’s not a good look, what with you being a socialist now”
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"May I just observe that the whataboutism in this thread so far is the usual crew claiming that someone will say what about, and getting upset about it.
Just lol.
Don’t you start!
He's right though. If you look at pt.1 of this thread it was full of it before anyone even thought about commenting.
It's like they've run out of debate and every thread turns into the same old
Probally something to do with anyone pointing out something the gmnt have done the standard response is..but what about
Pointing out it doesnt mean it doesnt happen over and over again.
Corbyn has probally been mentioned more on here in the last year, than when he was leader.
Has that happened here or in pt.1?
It actually happens way more often from your mob than it does from others.
As I've already said 'you have no debate'.
Yoire the first to complain about whataboutery and deflection yet you're the worst for it.
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My mob
Course I am..there isnt a day goes by when I dont start a thread about what those evil Europeans are upto now.
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good. |
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"Bercow: ‘I've never known a worse government than this. I've never seen one causing so much damage to the fabric of our society. I felt it necessary to make it clear that, so far as am concerned, we have to get behind the opposition and defeat it.’
Bercow: “Please, please, pleeeeaaasssse can I have a peerage”
Labour: “Well John, you’re going to have to show us how much you really want it… you can start by saying some bad things about them nasty tories and oh it might be an idea not to be splashing out on expensive tickets to posh tennis tournaments - it’s not a good look, what with you being a socialist now”
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Wimbledon starts next week so we shall have to keep an eye out for Big John  |
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"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good."
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"I can`t help feeling the Government is laughing at the General Public.
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You are right.
Allowing the EUFA delegates in without restrictions might just be the tipping point where people realise that levelling up actually meant giving privileged people space away from the masses. |
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"I can`t help feeling the Government is laughing at the General Public.
You are right.
Allowing the EUFA delegates in without restrictions might just be the tipping point where people realise that levelling up actually meant giving privileged people space away from the masses."
It isn’t an issue at the moment as joe public is only thinking about England being one of the teams taking part in the semi and the final…. that’s all that matters … footballs coming home etc etc …
When England are beaten by Germany on Tuesday, and so won’t be involved in the games the government has changed the law so as to allow the VIPs into the country without quarantine …then the wailing will commence.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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More Tory corruption brought to light: oil and gas donors gave the Tories 400k while fossil fuel licenses were being considered. Surprisingly, oil and gas licenses were then issued.
In other news, the UK is gonna be hosting a summit about cutting greenhouse gas emissions. |
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"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere... "
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good."
You may want to check this post! |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well "
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard."
It was an Amendment, not a Bill. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill. "
And your point is? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?"
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
“Boris Johnson's £37BILLION Test & Trace service, run by Dido Harding & using private firms Serco & Deloitte, has lost track of 550 MILLION COVID tests & failed to reach nearly 100,000 people who had tested positive, failing to identify their contacts.”
Reported in Huffington Post. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Not my words but...
“In May 2020, Hancock claimed to have been left “speechless” by Prof Ferguson’s “extraordinary” behaviour, and said it had been right for him to resign as a government Sage adviser.”
So Hancock should resign right?
But another POV...
“If Matt Hancock has had an affair that's shameful and I truly feel sorry for his wife and children. However, the suggestion marital infidelity would jeopardise a Secretary of State's career when the current Prime Minister is Boris Johnson is frankly absurd.”
And...
“Look I'm the very last person on Earth to defend Matt Hancock... but where is The Sun's front page from when Boris Johnson's affair with Arcuri or his current wife, Carrie, were revealed? Why the selective moral outrage?”
But most importantly...
“After Matt Hancock is accused of having an affair, lying to everyone and being 'fucking hopeless', bookies make him odds-on favourite for next PM.” |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Opendemocracy...
“The UK government has been accused of ‘blanket secrecy’ and ‘ducking oversight’ over the decision to exempt Dominic Cummings’ [£800m]research agency from Freedom of Information law” |
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"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval. "
Indeed
Disingenuous stuff as usual, I don’t really feel the need to fact check this thread more than once a day because nothing at all stands up to even the most casual scrutiny. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Can’t vouch for this one yet but let’s see what comes out in the coming days...
“BREAKING: Matt Hancock's department gave a load of NHS contracts to a company run by the brother of the woman he was having an affair with.” |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval.
Indeed
Disingenuous stuff as usual, I don’t really feel the need to fact check this thread more than once a day because nothing at all stands up to even the most casual scrutiny."
Lol a self appointed quality control manager!
Hardly disingenuous. A quote from an MP present at the vote. Irrelevant if it was an amendment, that is how legislation is developed.
Note there has been no comment on any other points either! |
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"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval.
Indeed
Disingenuous stuff as usual, I don’t really feel the need to fact check this thread more than once a day because nothing at all stands up to even the most casual scrutiny.
Lol a self appointed quality control manager!
Hardly disingenuous. A quote from an MP present at the vote. Irrelevant if it was an amendment, that is how legislation is developed.
Note there has been no comment on any other points either!"
What’s the full text of the complete amendment?
Rather than your interpretation of it. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval.
Indeed
Disingenuous stuff as usual, I don’t really feel the need to fact check this thread more than once a day because nothing at all stands up to even the most casual scrutiny.
Lol a self appointed quality control manager!
Hardly disingenuous. A quote from an MP present at the vote. Irrelevant if it was an amendment, that is how legislation is developed.
Note there has been no comment on any other points either!
What’s the full text of the complete amendment?
Rather than your interpretation of it."
What am I your secretary? You do your own research! I am satisfied that Peter Kyle MP, who I quoted, knows more about what was happening than anyone on Fabswingers. |
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"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval.
Indeed
Disingenuous stuff as usual, I don’t really feel the need to fact check this thread more than once a day because nothing at all stands up to even the most casual scrutiny.
Lol a self appointed quality control manager!
Hardly disingenuous. A quote from an MP present at the vote. Irrelevant if it was an amendment, that is how legislation is developed.
Note there has been no comment on any other points either!
What’s the full text of the complete amendment?
Rather than your interpretation of it.
What am I your secretary? You do your own research! I am satisfied that Peter Kyle MP, who I quoted, knows more about what was happening than anyone on Fabswingers. "
I’ll take that as a didn’t happen |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval.
Indeed
Disingenuous stuff as usual, I don’t really feel the need to fact check this thread more than once a day because nothing at all stands up to even the most casual scrutiny.
Lol a self appointed quality control manager!
Hardly disingenuous. A quote from an MP present at the vote. Irrelevant if it was an amendment, that is how legislation is developed.
Note there has been no comment on any other points either!
What’s the full text of the complete amendment?
Rather than your interpretation of it.
What am I your secretary? You do your own research! I am satisfied that Peter Kyle MP, who I quoted, knows more about what was happening than anyone on Fabswingers.
I’ll take that as a didn’t happen "
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"Today parliament voted on a new offence of ‘criminal exploitation of children’ that would have sent adults who involve children in crime to prison for 13 years.
The Tories voted AGAINST it.
Under the Tories, criminals have never had it so good.
You sure about that? Can't see a reference anywhere...
Unless someone provides a reference for this I’m assuming all the other claims ITT are made up as well
Source was Peter Kyle MP. Parly voting will be listed in Hansard.
It was an Amendment, not a Bill.
And your point is?
I haven't seen the vote on this yet but maybe MPs that voted against it, thought that the proposed measures were robust enough in the PCSB without the need to alter it.
Maybe they want to bring an amendment of their own.
Thats why Bills go through several readings and Commitee stage. It allows for adjustment and tinkering but to say that "the Torys voted against tough sentences against child exploiters" is largely disingenuous.
The test will come when the process is completed and the Bill goes before the HoC for approval.
Indeed
Disingenuous stuff as usual, I don’t really feel the need to fact check this thread more than once a day because nothing at all stands up to even the most casual scrutiny.
Lol a self appointed quality control manager!
Hardly disingenuous. A quote from an MP present at the vote. Irrelevant if it was an amendment, that is how legislation is developed.
Note there has been no comment on any other points either!
What’s the full text of the complete amendment?
Rather than your interpretation of it.
What am I your secretary? You do your own research! I am satisfied that Peter Kyle MP, who I quoted, knows more about what was happening than anyone on Fabswingers.
I’ll take that as a didn’t happen
Bizarre thinking!"
Dont feed the Troll
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More Tory corruption brought to light: oil and gas donors gave the Tories 400k while fossil fuel licenses were being considered. Surprisingly, oil and gas licenses were then issued.
In other news, the UK is gonna be hosting a summit about cutting greenhouse gas emissions.
Just repeating that since I haven't seen a Tory defender even try to defend it yet. |
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"More Tory corruption brought to light: oil and gas donors gave the Tories 400k while fossil fuel licenses were being considered. Surprisingly, oil and gas licenses were then issued.
In other news, the UK is gonna be hosting a summit about cutting greenhouse gas emissions.
Just repeating that since I haven't seen a Tory defender even try to defend it yet."
Can you say it again so they have the chance to read it twice
Just in case they missed it the 1st time . |
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"More Tory corruption brought to light: oil and gas donors gave the Tories 400k while fossil fuel licenses were being considered. Surprisingly, oil and gas licenses were then issued.
In other news, the UK is gonna be hosting a summit about cutting greenhouse gas emissions.
Just repeating that since I haven't seen a Tory defender even try to defend it yet.
Can you say it again so they have the chance to read it twice
Just in case they missed it the 1st time ."
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"More Tory corruption brought to light: oil and gas donors gave the Tories 400k while fossil fuel licenses were being considered. Surprisingly, oil and gas licenses were then issued.
In other news, the UK is gonna be hosting a summit about cutting greenhouse gas emissions.
Just repeating that since I haven't seen a Tory defender even try to defend it yet.
Can you say it again so they have the chance to read it twice
Just in case they missed it the 1st time .
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Ah go on
Say it again
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
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Hmmm Sajid Javid is the new Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
As well as being an MP, Javid is a highly paid senior advisor to the US bank JP Morgan.
JP Morgan is a major player in private healthcare.
Of course there is absolutely no conflict of interest there! |
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As the first thread proved so popular (or unpopular based on your political viewpoint) and got closed due to length...here is part 2.
Purpose is to highlight the corrupt and inept activities of our current government.
Defenders and distractors will likely post some top class whataboutism to excuse or justify the actions of this current shower! Well you did last time!
To be clear, as OP I want to point out that I am not doing this to bash the Tories per se (sure others will want to). I honestly do not think the current government are recognisably Conservatives. They are a bunch or morally bankrupt, self serving, opportunistic thieves. But that’s just my opinion!
It's the opinion of most of us, but what can we do, absolute nothing because we have no opposition party in England only in Scotland you find the SNP that try to hold the Government to account. Donald Trump have changed the world for the worst possible way. It is very normal nowadays for corruption and nepotism to strive in a democratic society. Once they get in they don't give a monkey's, baboon or cheater because they set the rules and also police it too. It's my opinion that the country gone to the dogs. |
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"Hmmm Sajid Javid is the new Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
As well as being an MP, Javid is a highly paid senior advisor to the US bank JP Morgan.
JP Morgan is a major player in private healthcare.
Of course there is absolutely no conflict of interest there!"
Boris Sacked him didnt he ?
Should we trust the PM's Moral Judgement ?
You know as a Leaver & all that ?
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"Hmmm Sajid Javid is the new Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
As well as being an MP, Javid is a highly paid senior advisor to the US bank JP Morgan.
JP Morgan is a major player in private healthcare.
Of course there is absolutely no conflict of interest there!
Boris Sacked him didnt he ?
Should we trust the PM's Moral Judgement ?
You know as a Leaver & all that ?
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It was funny when I said it
Come up with your own jokes, cheers |
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"Hmmm Sajid Javid is the new Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
As well as being an MP, Javid is a highly paid senior advisor to the US bank JP Morgan.
JP Morgan is a major player in private healthcare.
Of course there is absolutely no conflict of interest there!
Boris Sacked him didnt he ?
Should we trust the PM's Moral Judgement ?
You know as a Leaver & all that ?
It was funny when I said it
Come up with your own jokes, cheers "
Why ?
When i can just regurgitate sh*te that you spew out .
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Hmmm Sajid Javid is the new Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
As well as being an MP, Javid is a highly paid senior advisor to the US bank JP Morgan.
JP Morgan is a major player in private healthcare.
Of course there is absolutely no conflict of interest there!
Boris Sacked him didnt he ?
Should we trust the PM's Moral Judgement ?
You know as a Leaver & all that ?
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No, SJ quit after a power struggle with Dominic Cummings. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
So according to OpenDemocracy it appears that at least 16 individuals with close ties to the Conservative Party, including Tory donors, peers and former MPs, have been given lucrative oversight jobs in key Whitehall departments.
Yes yes Labour used to do the same, blah blah, it doesn’t make it right or excuse the gravy train! |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
There are extraordinary revelations coming out about Ministers' using their private email addresses to conduct Govt contract business. Makes you wonder why they are hiding decisions about public money in channels that civil servants can't monitor? |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
The Tories passed a Bill yesterday in the commons which effectively outlaws legal protest.
Not a single newspaper has this on the front page today!
However, you might not have to wear a mask in Tesco next week so they're all crowing about "freedom" unironically. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
And to add...
The tories are seeking to increase refugee jail time (by up to 700%), but they voted against a Labour amendment to Policing bill that wanted to increase minimum sentencing for rapists?
Just what kind of monsters are they? |
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"The Tories passed a Bill yesterday in the commons which effectively outlaws legal protest.
Not a single newspaper has this on the front page today!
However, you might not have to wear a mask in Tesco next week so they're all crowing about "freedom" unironically."
Considering all the protests. It has very much slipped under the radar. I thought it was miles off. |
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"And to add...
The tories are seeking to increase refugee jail time (by up to 700%), but they voted against a Labour amendment to Policing bill that wanted to increase minimum sentencing for rapists?
Just what kind of monsters are they?"
And the people who openly support them doing all this? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The Tories passed a Bill yesterday in the commons which effectively outlaws legal protest.
Not a single newspaper has this on the front page today!
However, you might not have to wear a mask in Tesco next week so they're all crowing about "freedom" unironically.
Considering all the protests. It has very much slipped under the radar. I thought it was miles off. "
The PCSC Bill is at Report stage. Its not even been to the HoL yet! |
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"The Tories passed a Bill yesterday in the commons which effectively outlaws legal protest.
Not a single newspaper has this on the front page today!
However, you might not have to wear a mask in Tesco next week so they're all crowing about "freedom" unironically.
Considering all the protests. It has very much slipped under the radar. I thought it was miles off.
The PCSC Bill is at Report stage. Its not even been to the HoL yet! "
Ah ok. Just reading why the minimum sentencing was voted down. |
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By *irldn OP Couple
over a year ago
Brighton |
The wearing of masks will no longer be compulsory, as we wish to give people more freedom.
What used to be legitimate protest will now be punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
This Government on the same day. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"The wearing of masks will no longer be compulsory, as we wish to give people more freedom.
What used to be legitimate protest will now be punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
This Government on the same day."
No, again you are trying to fit facts to suit your political narrative.
The PCSC Bill has not been passed and is not law.
Legitimate protest will not be made illegal in that bill anyway.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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Yes someone has just sent me a video of some mad bird spouting a load of mis information about taking away the right to protest. how the hell some idiots believe this crap is beyond me when the facts are easy to find. |
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"The wearing of masks will no longer be compulsory, as we wish to give people more freedom.
What used to be legitimate protest will now be punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
This Government on the same day.
No, again you are trying to fit facts to suit your political narrative.
The PCSC Bill has not been passed and is not law.
Legitimate protest will not be made illegal in that bill anyway.
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So to clarify.
They have proposed the bill but its not law yet? |
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over a year ago
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"The wearing of masks will no longer be compulsory, as we wish to give people more freedom.
What used to be legitimate protest will now be punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
This Government on the same day.
No, again you are trying to fit facts to suit your political narrative.
The PCSC Bill has not been passed and is not law.
Legitimate protest will not be made illegal in that bill anyway.
So to clarify.
They have proposed the bill but its not law yet?"
Read the bill it does not take away your freedom to protest. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The wearing of masks will no longer be compulsory, as we wish to give people more freedom.
What used to be legitimate protest will now be punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
This Government on the same day.
No, again you are trying to fit facts to suit your political narrative.
The PCSC Bill has not been passed and is not law.
Legitimate protest will not be made illegal in that bill anyway.
So to clarify.
They have proposed the bill but its not law yet?"
Thats correct. Without looking, I think its passed its 3rd reading in the HoC, and should be going down to the HoL. |
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"The wearing of masks will no longer be compulsory, as we wish to give people more freedom.
What used to be legitimate protest will now be punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
This Government on the same day.
No, again you are trying to fit facts to suit your political narrative.
The PCSC Bill has not been passed and is not law.
Legitimate protest will not be made illegal in that bill anyway.
So to clarify.
They have proposed the bill but its not law yet?
Thats correct. Without looking, I think its passed its 3rd reading in the HoC, and should be going down to the HoL. "
So,and sorry to sound dense but surely if they have proposed it,they want it to become law.? |
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over a year ago
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"The wearing of masks will no longer be compulsory, as we wish to give people more freedom.
What used to be legitimate protest will now be punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
This Government on the same day.
No, again you are trying to fit facts to suit your political narrative.
The PCSC Bill has not been passed and is not law.
Legitimate protest will not be made illegal in that bill anyway.
So to clarify.
They have proposed the bill but its not law yet?
Thats correct. Without looking, I think its passed its 3rd reading in the HoC, and should be going down to the HoL.
So,and sorry to sound dense but surely if they have proposed it,they want it to become law.?"
A Bill will morph as it goes tbrough procedure. What is proposed may not be actually what happens.
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So they are just proposing being banged up for a decade for vandalism for shits snd giggles?
Does seem a rather strange token to push through such an important piece of legislation?
You would have thought they would have had their hands full with covid and brexit? |
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over a year ago
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"So they are just proposing being banged up for a decade for vandalism for shits snd giggles?
Does seem a rather strange token to push through such an important piece of legislation?
You would have thought they would have had their hands full with covid and brexit?"
Again, you make the mistake of confusing minimum and maximum sentences.
Giving all the tools to the judiciary, doesn't mean that they will use them. It just gives them that option. |
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"So they are just proposing being banged up for a decade for vandalism for shits snd giggles?
Does seem a rather strange token to push through such an important piece of legislation?
You would have thought they would have had their hands full with covid and brexit?
Again, you make the mistake of confusing minimum and maximum sentences.
Giving all the tools to the judiciary, doesn't mean that they will use them. It just gives them that option. "
Surely if you have a maximum sentence, its there to.be used?
I'm just curious how will they determine the severity of spray painting a statue. |
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"So they are just proposing being banged up for a decade for vandalism for shits snd giggles?
Does seem a rather strange token to push through such an important piece of legislation?
You would have thought they would have had their hands full with covid and brexit?
Again, you make the mistake of confusing minimum and maximum sentences.
Giving all the tools to the judiciary, doesn't mean that they will use them. It just gives them that option.
Surely if you have a maximum sentence, its there to.be used?
I'm just curious how will they determine the severity of spray painting a statue."
Destroying or damaging property other than an offence of arson already carries a maximum term of life under Criminal Damage Act 1971 s.1(2).
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"In fairness to them I dont see a problem with the bill limiting legitimate protests and banging someone up for a decade for a spot of vandalism
All seems perfectly reasonable. "
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I think MPs should only receive their salary and expenses and nothing else. The idea that the can be paid as a director/consultant by private firms is always going to lead to bias, corruption and a failure to do what is morally right. They are being paid to run the country not lobby for businesses whilst lining their own pockets.
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"I think MPs should only receive their salary and expenses and nothing else. The idea that the can be paid as a director/consultant by private firms is always going to lead to bias, corruption and a failure to do what is morally right. They are being paid to run the country not lobby for businesses whilst lining their own pockets.
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Spot on
I'd lay them more but not let them take any positions which are open to abuse. |
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"I think MPs should only receive their salary and expenses and nothing else. The idea that the can be paid as a director/consultant by private firms is always going to lead to bias, corruption and a failure to do what is morally right. They are being paid to run the country not lobby for businesses whilst lining their own pockets.
Spot on
I'd lay them more but not let them take any positions which are open to abuse."
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"I think this country is brill I think some people want to look on the bright side of life ,d,dd,d,d
It’s a great Country. It welcomed me and allowed me to become who I am now. "
And that is related to gmnt corruption in what way exactly? |
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Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 8byears so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
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"Two facts conservatives have been in power for 40 out of last 50 years. In that time inequality on all metrics got worse. left or right those are facts.
Question is with that alone why would we keep choosing a party any party with that record .
As a country we don’t care about inequality corruption the government know we don’t because at ballot box they keep getting back in.
The Americans aren’t as foolish they boot one party out every 8byears so they don’t take the piss. But we’ are apathetic minions who care littke but pretend we’re Great
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I never knew the Americans kicked the ruling party out every 8 years. I always thought it was the president that can only do 8 years |
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"I think this country is brill I think some people want to look on the bright side of life ,d,dd,d,d
It’s a great Country. It welcomed me and allowed me to become who I am now.
And that is related to gmnt corruption in what way exactly?"
Maybe he bunged the Tories a few quid and got given a 50 million quid contract. |
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