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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care. "
Putin will be loving this. Aided and abetted by the EU in damaging Ukraine and at the same time they are signing up to be reliant on Russian gas. What could possibly go wrong |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Putin will be loving this. Aided and abetted by the EU in damaging Ukraine and at the same time they are signing up to be reliant on Russian gas. What could possibly go wrong"
the superpower that is GB should intervene to support the freedom loving, gay supressing regime in Ukraine, why not send that new aircraft carrier, you could drive it across Poland to land locked Ukraine, Putin must be doing some laughing at little England's huffing and puffing, but hey this is global Britain |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Putin will be loving this. Aided and abetted by the EU in damaging Ukraine and at the same time they are signing up to be reliant on Russian gas. What could possibly go wrongthe superpower that is GB should intervene to support the freedom loving, gay supressing regime in Ukraine, why not send that new aircraft carrier, you could drive it across Poland to land locked Ukraine, Putin must be doing some laughing at little England's huffing and puffing, but hey this is global Britain "
Britain is out of the fucking mess the eu is creating thank god and will not be complicit when the shit finally hits the fan in the Ukraine due to the eu rolling over for putin. |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Putin will be loving this. Aided and abetted by the EU in damaging Ukraine and at the same time they are signing up to be reliant on Russian gas. What could possibly go wrongthe superpower that is GB should intervene to support the freedom loving, gay supressing regime in Ukraine, why not send that new aircraft carrier, you could drive it across Poland to land locked Ukraine, Putin must be doing some laughing at little England's huffing and puffing, but hey this is global Britain Britain is out of the fucking mess the eu is creating thank god and will not be complicit when the shit finally hits the fan in the Ukraine due to the eu rolling over for putin. "
but I thought the new global Britain was going to sort out the likes of the Russian bear and the turks etc,though ye had your empire back, sun never sets on the British empire, and all that shxt,hey guys go in there and sort that Putin guy, you are the British after all |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care. "
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine."
How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic. |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Putin will be loving this. Aided and abetted by the EU in damaging Ukraine and at the same time they are signing up to be reliant on Russian gas. What could possibly go wrongthe superpower that is GB should intervene to support the freedom loving, gay supressing regime in Ukraine, why not send that new aircraft carrier, you could drive it across Poland to land locked Ukraine, Putin must be doing some laughing at little England's huffing and puffing, but hey this is global Britain Britain is out of the fucking mess the eu is creating thank god and will not be complicit when the shit finally hits the fan in the Ukraine due to the eu rolling over for putin. but I thought the new global Britain was going to sort out the likes of the Russian bear and the turks etc,though ye had your empire back, sun never sets on the British empire, and all that shxt,hey guys go in there and sort that Putin guy, you are the British after all "
Guess you thought wrong then, why don't you and your little Irish mates go in sort it all out and show all of us stupid brits just how superior you are eh? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Putin will be loving this. Aided and abetted by the EU in damaging Ukraine and at the same time they are signing up to be reliant on Russian gas. What could possibly go wrongthe superpower that is GB should intervene to support the freedom loving, gay supressing regime in Ukraine, why not send that new aircraft carrier, you could drive it across Poland to land locked Ukraine, Putin must be doing some laughing at little England's huffing and puffing, but hey this is global Britain Britain is out of the fucking mess the eu is creating thank god and will not be complicit when the shit finally hits the fan in the Ukraine due to the eu rolling over for putin. but I thought the new global Britain was going to sort out the likes of the Russian bear and the turks etc,though ye had your empire back, sun never sets on the British empire, and all that shxt,hey guys go in there and sort that Putin guy, you are the British after all "
Well i guess you got the message wrong but im not surprised global Britain was about trade nothing to do with Empire building. |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic."
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent. |
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over a year ago
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent. "
Hardly been nailed. He gave an opinion that the EU either didn't care or were aiding Russia.
At no point did he cry outrage. This is a politics forum and Costa has given us a topic to debate.
Or maybe this is a 'you can only give a fuck if you're a remainer forum'? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent. "
It’s the hard core remainders default setting, they can’t blame the EU for problems in the UK so they are now left to try and blame to EU for problems elsewhere, sad to see  |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent.
It’s the hard core remainders default setting, they can’t blame the EU for problems in the UK so they are now left to try and blame to EU for problems elsewhere, sad to see "
It is an interesting topic though - Germany needs/wants the NordStream2, but also has to be seen to put on record with Russia that the pipeline can not be used as a geopolitical weapon.
A very thin wire to be walking along? |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent.
Hardly been nailed. He gave an opinion that the EU either didn't care or were aiding Russia.
At no point did he cry outrage. This is a politics forum and Costa has given us a topic to debate.
Or maybe this is a 'you can only give a fuck if you're a remainer forum'?"
its been like that for years tbf lol |
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over a year ago
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent.
Hardly been nailed. He gave an opinion that the EU either didn't care or were aiding Russia.
At no point did he cry outrage. This is a politics forum and Costa has given us a topic to debate.
Or maybe this is a 'you can only give a fuck if you're a remainer forum'?its been like that for years tbf lol"
Do you care about what’s ‘happening’ in the Ukraine ? |
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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago
Carmarthen |
Said it b4.
EU is looking East. It realises that US $ hegemony is coming to an end and is positioning itself accordingly. The belt and bridges project will be huge for trade in the future and I think EU sees that as well. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent. "
So i take it you dont want to debate the topic then? 
As they say attack is better than defence and if you dont have a counter argument attack the poster so predictable. |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent.
Hardly been nailed. He gave an opinion that the EU either didn't care or were aiding Russia.
At no point did he cry outrage. This is a politics forum and Costa has given us a topic to debate.
Or maybe this is a 'you can only give a fuck if you're a remainer forum'?its been like that for years tbf lol
Do you care about what’s ‘happening’ in the Ukraine ? "
about as much as you do mate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent.
Hardly been nailed. He gave an opinion that the EU either didn't care or were aiding Russia.
At no point did he cry outrage. This is a politics forum and Costa has given us a topic to debate.
Or maybe this is a 'you can only give a fuck if you're a remainer forum'?its been like that for years tbf lol
Do you care about what’s ‘happening’ in the Ukraine ? about as much as you do mate "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Said it b4.
EU is looking East. It realises that US $ hegemony is coming to an end and is positioning itself accordingly. The belt and bridges project will be huge for trade in the future and I think EU sees that as well. "
Smart move then ?? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
It doesn't care about Ukraine; any more than you do. This is just one more of your infantile "Isn't the EU awful?" posts.
Whilst, in many ways, it undoubtedly is awful; we already know how you feel about it. You don't have to pretend you give a fuck about the people of Ukraine.How the hell do you know how the fuck i feel about the people of the Ukraine, you have no idea so you can keep your personal attacks to yourself and stay on topic.
Nah, you've been absolutely nailed there. It's incredibly obvious what you're doing.
It's like when Brexiteers on here suddenly became super concerned about ethical transport of animals when it was being proposed that it might be a Brexit benefit.
So transparent.
Hardly been nailed. He gave an opinion that the EU either didn't care or were aiding Russia.
At no point did he cry outrage. This is a politics forum and Costa has given us a topic to debate.
Or maybe this is a 'you can only give a fuck if you're a remainer forum'?its been like that for years tbf lol
Do you care about what’s ‘happening’ in the Ukraine ? "
I would think the eu would, they have already annexed Crimea but a good number of them concidered themselves Russian anyway so little resistance.When they go for the bigger prize the eu will have a whole lot of new immigrants right on another boarder with them. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Putin will be loving this. Aided and abetted by the EU in damaging Ukraine and at the same time they are signing up to be reliant on Russian gas. What could possibly go wrongthe superpower that is GB should intervene to support the freedom loving, gay supressing regime in Ukraine, why not send that new aircraft carrier, you could drive it across Poland to land locked Ukraine, Putin must be doing some laughing at little England's huffing and puffing, but hey this is global Britain Britain is out of the fucking mess the eu is creating thank god and will not be complicit when the shit finally hits the fan in the Ukraine due to the eu rolling over for putin. but I thought the new global Britain was going to sort out the likes of the Russian bear and the turks etc,though ye had your empire back, sun never sets on the British empire, and all that shxt,hey guys go in there and sort that Putin guy, you are the British after all "
Not sure where you got that idea from but maybe post a link so we can see where it says such things. The thread is about the Ukraine, Russia and the EU. It looks like the way it's going Putin will have control of all 3 one way or the other |
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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago
Carmarthen |
There’ll be winners and losers as always. Plus, it’s a multi decade project but given the Chinese play the long game I think they’ll pull it off.
The world order appears to be changing and whilst a It’s still all about money and resources at the end of the day the $ position (through dilution/debasement) means it’s loosing confidence from the countries around the world. I would include the U.K. in that too as we have adopted same fiscal policies as US. The debt is eye watering !!
The current situation of inflation doesn’t help the US as if they raise interest rates that hurts everyone who’s in debt. That includes corps, ordinary people and pretty much most of the population who carries any debt. We’ve had cheap and free money for far too long and the chickens are coming home.
So if interest rates cannot go up without hurting, and inflation keeps rising because of the costs of products and services rises due to the flood of money in the market place that hurts us too.
Anyway back to China… they know this as do the Russians, Turkish, most of the Asian peninsula, some forward thinking European counties (this is actually funny) and Australia. Actually some of the Latin Americans have all been buying Gold for their reserves. Some analysts think that there could be a push for gold backed currencies… curiously there’s a discrepancy on US gold reserves as they’ve accounted for it on both sides. The LBMA have the same issues which is selling gold they do not have as the buyer did not require delivery !!! Think about that!!!
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"There’ll be winners and losers as always. Plus, it’s a multi decade project but given the Chinese play the long game I think they’ll pull it off.
The world order appears to be changing and whilst a It’s still all about money and resources at the end of the day the $ position (through dilution/debasement) means it’s loosing confidence from the countries around the world. I would include the U.K. in that too as we have adopted same fiscal policies as US. The debt is eye watering !!
The current situation of inflation doesn’t help the US as if they raise interest rates that hurts everyone who’s in debt. That includes corps, ordinary people and pretty much most of the population who carries any debt. We’ve had cheap and free money for far too long and the chickens are coming home.
So if interest rates cannot go up without hurting, and inflation keeps rising because of the costs of products and services rises due to the flood of money in the market place that hurts us too.
Anyway back to China… they know this as do the Russians, Turkish, most of the Asian peninsula, some forward thinking European counties (this is actually funny) and Australia. Actually some of the Latin Americans have all been buying Gold for their reserves. Some analysts think that there could be a push for gold backed currencies… curiously there’s a discrepancy on US gold reserves as they’ve accounted for it on both sides. The LBMA have the same issues which is selling gold they do not have as the buyer did not require delivery !!! Think about that!!!
So… "
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over a year ago
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Can anyone summarise ? My quick reading is that rather than transit russian oil via Ukraine there will be a pipe instead. So Ukraine miss out on money from being the land bridge. But it's still the same amount of oil from Russia. That seems a bit simple ... What have i missed ? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"Can anyone summarise ? My quick reading is that rather than transit russian oil via Ukraine there will be a pipe instead. So Ukraine miss out on money from being the land bridge. But it's still the same amount of oil from Russia. That seems a bit simple ... What have i missed ?"
Its gas mate but yes Russia will be able to sell to the eu without going through the Ukraine hence starving the Ukraine of cash and with a reduced gas flow some parts will no longer receive gas due to lack of pressure.
A German court has just said the new pipeline will be illegal under eu law unless the Russian Gazprom auctions pipeline capacity as the owners of the pipeline cannot be the same as the owners of the gas under eu law.
The project's identically-sized forerunner, Nord Stream 1, has been exempt from unbundling rules since opening in 2011 because it was treated as an interconnector rather than as direct supplier this is because it passed through the Ukraine and wasn't direct
I wonder if its a coincidence that Russia is pumping a lot less gas to the eu lately now the line is almost finished. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"so cutting out the middle man .... that's capitalism, so what's the problem?"
Not a problem at all it seems to the eu but i would guess the Ukraine's dont see it that way when Russia is trying to annex their country and by reducing their gas supply and money it will only help to achieve that goal.
how long before the eu have another humanitarian disaster on their doorstep when russia invades? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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According to teh FT the EU are setting up a BN dollar fund.
I don't know enough about this, but it's an interesting wider question on how much a country is responsible for another who is facing crisis. Especially if they have played a part in it's stability. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care. "
Germany will secure cheaper fuel for itself. I guess that's good for Germany in the short term. Medium to long term Germany and the entire EU and the UK will be decarbonising so this becomes less relevant every day.
Berlin has committed to use "all available leverage" to extend Ukraine's 2020-24 gas transit agreement with Moscow for up to a further 10 years under the agreement. Diplomatic efforts are to start "as soon as possible" and no later than 1 September.
Washington at the same time says it has obtained Berlin's consent for mitigation measures to ensure that Russia in the future does not fully cut off transit through Ukraine and financial guarantees for Kyiv to offset any revenue it may lose if Russia diverts its supply through Nord Stream 2.
"Should Russia attempt to use energy as a weapon or commit further aggressive acts against Ukraine," Germany will take action at a national level and press for effective measures at an EU level, including sanctions, to limit Russian energy exports to Europe or in other economically relevant sectors, the joint statement says.
It seems like a reasonable level of mitigation.
It's a stretch to say it is aiding Russia in it's attempt to destabilise Ukraine. I doubt that they are blind to it. The 25+ billion Euros in loans and grants since 2014 give some indication of that.
Ukraine's transit revenue amounted to at least $2.06bn last year and is set at $1.27bn/yr in 2021-24, based on long-term bookings and the current cost of network fees. The deal was signed in 2019 with a clause allowing it to be extended by another 10 years if agreed by parties.
In a nice bit of whataboutery, should the UK support Ukraine by stopping our gas exports from Russia to deny them a valuable source of income that could be used to undermine their neighbour?
It is also not difficult to argue that the weakning of the EU through Brexit is part of Putin's geopolitical plans. |
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the move creates lots of extremely well paid new jobs for hundreds of people in a very hi-tech industry which will contribute hugely to lots of economies, create tax revenue and make fuel bills cheaper. this is clearly exellent news to all supporters of capitalism apart from a handful of anti-EU extremists who can't let go of their hate.  |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price"
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"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price"
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two."
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting"
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"or the middle vote is split in france thanks to barnier? which allows le penn to win this time and france then push to leave eu and the whole thing collapses? trying to predict is difficult!"
You probably need to look up the French Presidential voting system  |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Germany will secure cheaper fuel for itself. I guess that's good for Germany in the short term. Medium to long term Germany and the entire EU and the UK will be decarbonising so this becomes less relevant every day.
Berlin has committed to use "all available leverage" to extend Ukraine's 2020-24 gas transit agreement with Moscow for up to a further 10 years under the agreement. Diplomatic efforts are to start "as soon as possible" and no later than 1 September.
Washington at the same time says it has obtained Berlin's consent for mitigation measures to ensure that Russia in the future does not fully cut off transit through Ukraine and financial guarantees for Kyiv to offset any revenue it may lose if Russia diverts its supply through Nord Stream 2.
"Should Russia attempt to use energy as a weapon or commit further aggressive acts against Ukraine," Germany will take action at a national level and press for effective measures at an EU level, including sanctions, to limit Russian energy exports to Europe or in other economically relevant sectors, the joint statement says.
It seems like a reasonable level of mitigation.
It's a stretch to say it is aiding Russia in it's attempt to destabilise Ukraine. I doubt that they are blind to it. The 25+ billion Euros in loans and grants since 2014 give some indication of that.
Ukraine's transit revenue amounted to at least $2.06bn last year and is set at $1.27bn/yr in 2021-24, based on long-term bookings and the current cost of network fees. The deal was signed in 2019 with a clause allowing it to be extended by another 10 years if agreed by parties.
In a nice bit of whataboutery, should the UK support Ukraine by stopping our gas exports from Russia to deny them a valuable source of income that could be used to undermine their neighbour?
It is also not difficult to argue that the weakning of the EU through Brexit is part of Putin's geopolitical plans."
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"or the middle vote is split in france thanks to barnier? which allows le penn to win this time and france then push to leave eu and the whole thing collapses? trying to predict is difficult!
You probably need to look up the French Presidential voting system "
you are so pedantic like a 10 year child, yes the race narrows... but its still an extra horse! Yes they arent really using horses and its not an actual race! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Germany will secure cheaper fuel for itself. I guess that's good for Germany in the short term. Medium to long term Germany and the entire EU and the UK will be decarbonising so this becomes less relevant every day.
Berlin has committed to use "all available leverage" to extend Ukraine's 2020-24 gas transit agreement with Moscow for up to a further 10 years under the agreement. Diplomatic efforts are to start "as soon as possible" and no later than 1 September.
Washington at the same time says it has obtained Berlin's consent for mitigation measures to ensure that Russia in the future does not fully cut off transit through Ukraine and financial guarantees for Kyiv to offset any revenue it may lose if Russia diverts its supply through Nord Stream 2.
"Should Russia attempt to use energy as a weapon or commit further aggressive acts against Ukraine," Germany will take action at a national level and press for effective measures at an EU level, including sanctions, to limit Russian energy exports to Europe or in other economically relevant sectors, the joint statement says.
It seems like a reasonable level of mitigation.
It's a stretch to say it is aiding Russia in it's attempt to destabilise Ukraine. I doubt that they are blind to it. The 25+ billion Euros in loans and grants since 2014 give some indication of that.
Ukraine's transit revenue amounted to at least $2.06bn last year and is set at $1.27bn/yr in 2021-24, based on long-term bookings and the current cost of network fees. The deal was signed in 2019 with a clause allowing it to be extended by another 10 years if agreed by parties.
In a nice bit of whataboutery, should the UK support Ukraine by stopping our gas exports from Russia to deny them a valuable source of income that could be used to undermine their neighbour?
It is also not difficult to argue that the weakning of the EU through Brexit is part of Putin's geopolitical plans. Why not we import less than 1% of gas from Russia."
Then open up a thread and ask why the UK is depriving Ukraine of valuable income?
As Ukraine financial losses are going to be compensated for, I'm not sure what the EU are doing wrong.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"or the middle vote is split in france thanks to barnier? which allows le penn to win this time and france then push to leave eu and the whole thing collapses? trying to predict is difficult!
You probably need to look up the French Presidential voting system
you are so pedantic like a 10 year child, yes the race narrows... but its still an extra horse! Yes they arent really using horses and its not an actual race!"
Your definition of pedantic is encouraging you to find out why your comment is factually incorrect?
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?"
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion |
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"or the middle vote is split in france thanks to barnier? which allows le penn to win this time and france then push to leave eu and the whole thing collapses? trying to predict is difficult!
You probably need to look up the French Presidential voting system
you are so pedantic like a 10 year child, yes the race narrows... but its still an extra horse! Yes they arent really using horses and its not an actual race!
Your definition of pedantic is encouraging you to find out why your comment is factually incorrect?
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I knew how the French system worked, I've spent a lot of time there, on all your posts you take everything to such a ridiculous knit picking level, but think it's being clever, much like a child does.
It's not red it's dark pink, it's not black but dark grey....
However, with the French system you have to get to the final round... think last time penn got 47% ...macron 53.. so won't take much to tip it.... |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion"
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"or the middle vote is split in france thanks to barnier? which allows le penn to win this time and france then push to leave eu and the whole thing collapses? trying to predict is difficult!
You probably need to look up the French Presidential voting system
you are so pedantic like a 10 year child, yes the race narrows... but its still an extra horse! Yes they arent really using horses and its not an actual race!
Your definition of pedantic is encouraging you to find out why your comment is factually incorrect?
I knew how the French system worked, I've spent a lot of time there, on all your posts you take everything to such a ridiculous knit picking level, but think it's being clever, much like a child does.
It's not red it's dark pink, it's not black but dark grey....
However, with the French system you have to get to the final round... think last time penn got 47% ...macron 53.. so won't take much to tip it...."
If you wish to make everything personal that is up to you.
So two people reach the final round.
Then what? Everybody moderate votes for Le Penn or doesn't vote?
Her party fared particularly badly in the last set of national elections didn't it? Far under expectations.
It doesn't want to leave the EU either.
The only reason that she might win is if there is another migrant crisis which Afghanistan might deliver, just as Brexit was delivered by Syria.
Racism combined with fear has always been a successful voting strategy.
Then we get to live with the consequences.
Nationalists always dismantle democracy whilst claiming to be protecting it.
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"or the middle vote is split in france thanks to barnier? which allows le penn to win this time and france then push to leave eu and the whole thing collapses? trying to predict is difficult!
You probably need to look up the French Presidential voting system
you are so pedantic like a 10 year child, yes the race narrows... but its still an extra horse! Yes they arent really using horses and its not an actual race!
Your definition of pedantic is encouraging you to find out why your comment is factually incorrect?
I knew how the French system worked, I've spent a lot of time there, on all your posts you take everything to such a ridiculous knit picking level, but think it's being clever, much like a child does.
It's not red it's dark pink, it's not black but dark grey....
However, with the French system you have to get to the final round... think last time penn got 47% ...macron 53.. so won't take much to tip it....
If you wish to make everything personal that is up to you.
So two people reach the final round.
Then what? Everybody moderate votes for Le Penn or doesn't vote?
Her party fared particularly badly in the last set of national elections didn't it? Far under expectations.
It doesn't want to leave the EU either.
The only reason that she might win is if there is another migrant crisis which Afghanistan might deliver, just as Brexit was delivered by Syria.
Racism combined with fear has always been a successful voting strategy.
Then we get to live with the consequences.
Nationalists always dismantle democracy whilst claiming to be protecting it.
Also, no clue what this has to do with the OP so will leave you to insult me next however you choose "
Have you started to dress? Is that why your using the girlie?
It started with me saying it's hard to predict what will or won't happen, that things can turn at any point, but you instead wanted to make out i didn't understand the French voting system! What did that have to do with the conversation? You were just trying to shoot me down.... lots of smiling faces followed your comment lol but now you are crying that I'm insulting you, oh dear. I'm sorry I've hurt you, please forgive me, x
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated?"
The ukraine will be losing money though also as i have already explained the gas pressure through the pipeline will be reduced meaning their take off from the gas supplied will not reach parts of the ukraine that at the moment have gas.So you dont think depriving parts of the ukraine gas that they previously had is not destabilising ?
Germany and the rest of the eu will do fuck all in regard of sanctions just like they didnt when russia invaded the crimea a few years ago and the crucial part of your statement that the agreement will be extended for the ukraine pipeline is "if all partys agree".
I know you love to argue black is white but i thought even you could see this is a recipe for future problems as a lot of eu countries do.
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it's strictly business in a competative market. if other countries are unable to run their affairs properly then that's tuff, same as it is for this country failing to run it's affairs properly at the moment. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"it's strictly business in a competative market. if other countries are unable to run their affairs properly then that's tuff, same as it is for this country failing to run it's affairs properly at the moment."
So it seems but that seems to go against the eu mantra but guess that only applies to eu countries in their eyes.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated?"
I have read your posts, the posts of others and a few news clips and what I have posted is how I think things will go. I have not changed my mind |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"the anit-EU extremists really need to let go of their hate now and concentrate on stopping the present government from running the country down any further. "
why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power |
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"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power"
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted for |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted for"
listen those at the top may have wanted brexit for tax reasons all those working class mainly voted for it to break the country,the poor dont give a shit they always been poor it was more about fucking over the middle classes |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"yeah, like you speak for every person that voted leave pmsl"
i just saying what i hear from people myself i didnt vote and guess what my life is still the same as when we was in guess its just those who used cheap labour or went to europe more than a fortnight a year who may be having a hard time about being out,but im sorry i forgot you are just another of the many experts we have on fab,
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lots of european countries arent keen on eu, france thinks it is losing its french identity, it doesnt want to be part of a federal europe... the covid vaccine fuck up demonstrated when the chips are down its germany for itself!
still think we wont really know if brexit was good or bad for a few years yet
it would have impacted me travel wise but covid stuffed it first... and thats another example of not being able to see ahead... |
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"yeah, like you speak for every person that voted leave pmsli just saying what i hear from people myself i didnt vote and guess what my life is still the same as when we was in guess its just those who used cheap labour or went to europe more than a fortnight a year who may be having a hard time about being out,but im sorry i forgot you are just another of the many experts we have on fab,"
i'm not the fab expert that didn't vote who is professing to know why each of 17 million odd people voted leave pmsl |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted for"
I dont see any hating on here are people not allowed to ask questions anymore? several eu countries are asking the same question so how is that eu hating.
I guess you are right there is no accounting for stupid. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated? The ukraine will be losing money though also as i have already explained the gas pressure through the pipeline will be reduced meaning their take off from the gas supplied will not reach parts of the ukraine that at the moment have gas.So you dont think depriving parts of the ukraine gas that they previously had is not destabilising ?
Germany and the rest of the eu will do fuck all in regard of sanctions just like they didnt when russia invaded the crimea a few years ago and the crucial part of your statement that the agreement will be extended for the ukraine pipeline is "if all partys agree".
I know you love to argue black is white but i thought even you could see this is a recipe for future problems as a lot of eu countries do.
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If you read what I wrote, any loss in income to Ukraine will be compensated.
The Ukraine does not use Russian gas. It transits only.
Ukraine has not, actually, been "thrown under the bus" at all, has it? The deal is guaranteed to 2024 and, as stated, could be be extended for another 10 years.
It may be let down at some unspecified point in the future, but up until now there is nothing that supports your headline is there?
I guess "The EU and the USA could throw Ukraine under the bus" is less punchy. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated?
I have read your posts, the posts of others and a few news clips and what I have posted is how I think things will go. I have not changed my mind"
Sure.
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated? The ukraine will be losing money though also as i have already explained the gas pressure through the pipeline will be reduced meaning their take off from the gas supplied will not reach parts of the ukraine that at the moment have gas.So you dont think depriving parts of the ukraine gas that they previously had is not destabilising ?
Germany and the rest of the eu will do fuck all in regard of sanctions just like they didnt when russia invaded the crimea a few years ago and the crucial part of your statement that the agreement will be extended for the ukraine pipeline is "if all partys agree".
I know you love to argue black is white but i thought even you could see this is a recipe for future problems as a lot of eu countries do.
If you read what I wrote, any loss in income to Ukraine will be compensated.
The Ukraine does not use Russian gas. It transits only.
Ukraine has not, actually, been "thrown under the bus" at all, has it? The deal is guaranteed to 2024 and, as stated, could be be extended for another 10 years.
It may be let down at some unspecified point in the future, but up until now there is nothing that supports your headline is there?
I guess "The EU and the USA could throw Ukraine under the bus" is less punchy."
At least try and get your facts right the Ukraine does use the gas,yes it guaranteed for another 3 years and Could is no guarantee that it will be extended.
Why would they build another pipeline if they are going to pay the same by compensating the ukraine and where is the link to this?
Why are so many other eu countries against it if this does not affect them?
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"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted forI dont see any hating on here are people not allowed to ask questions anymore? several eu countries are asking the same question so how is that eu hating.
I guess you are right there is no accounting for stupid."
you have the brexit you wanted, now just let go of your hate |
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over a year ago
near ipswich |
"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted forI dont see any hating on here are people not allowed to ask questions anymore? several eu countries are asking the same question so how is that eu hating.
I guess you are right there is no accounting for stupid.
you have the brexit you wanted, now just let go of your hate "
I have no hate you really should stop making stuff up. |
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"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted forI dont see any hating on here are people not allowed to ask questions anymore? several eu countries are asking the same question so how is that eu hating.
I guess you are right there is no accounting for stupid.
you have the brexit you wanted, now just let go of your hate I have no hate you really should stop making stuff up."
your thread, your hate .... don't be that guy, just let your hate go |
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over a year ago
near ipswich |
"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted forI dont see any hating on here are people not allowed to ask questions anymore? several eu countries are asking the same question so how is that eu hating.
I guess you are right there is no accounting for stupid.
you have the brexit you wanted, now just let go of your hate I have no hate you really should stop making stuff up.
your thread, your hate .... don't be that guy, just let your hate go "
yes its my thread but i dont see any hate in it would you care to point out where or is it you just want to post but have nothing to say on the topic? |
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"why would they concentrate on the present goverment most who voted for brexit voted for this goverment,they want them in power
yep ... there really is no accounting for stupid.
that's quite possibly why they just keep on hating, even so long after they got the brexit they voted forI dont see any hating on here are people not allowed to ask questions anymore? several eu countries are asking the same question so how is that eu hating.
I guess you are right there is no accounting for stupid.
you have the brexit you wanted, now just let go of your hate I have no hate you really should stop making stuff up.
your thread, your hate .... don't be that guy, just let your hate go yes its my thread but i dont see any hate in it would you care to point out where or is it you just want to post but have nothing to say on the topic?"
i have already corrected your mistakes earlier in your thread about anti-eu hate but you have chosen to remain ignorant ... embrace your brexit and let go of your hate |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated?
I have read your posts, the posts of others and a few news clips and what I have posted is how I think things will go. I have not changed my mind
Sure.
Good that you are able to articulate your response to specific points so clearly."
I have given an accurate summing up of my thoughts after reading posts on here and elsewhere |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I can't see Putin shaking in his boots about the EU threats of sanctions. They are not strangers to them and soon they will have Ukraine isolated and Germany reliant on them for gas. This gives Russia much greater influence and can decide who gets what and at what price
Scroll up two.
No need as I read it before posting
So the UK leaving the UK wasn't good for Putin?
The EU and Russia not strangers, so why is it suddenly better for Russia?
Equivalent fuding for lost income makes no difference? How does Ukraine suddenly become more isolated than previously?
Decarbonisation irrelevant?
You don't think that the gas is not coming from Russia now?
What I posted is my opinion of how things will develop. In my opinion Russia and Putin are shaping the ground and increasing their influence. I know you don't agree which is your right but it remains my opinion
I don't disagree.He's been doing that since interfering in the 2016 US election and Brexit. Probably before.
Do you not agree?
Why is the premise of the OP true if Ukraine is not going to lose money and the gas still comes from the same place? How will Ukraine be more isolated? The ukraine will be losing money though also as i have already explained the gas pressure through the pipeline will be reduced meaning their take off from the gas supplied will not reach parts of the ukraine that at the moment have gas.So you dont think depriving parts of the ukraine gas that they previously had is not destabilising ?
Germany and the rest of the eu will do fuck all in regard of sanctions just like they didnt when russia invaded the crimea a few years ago and the crucial part of your statement that the agreement will be extended for the ukraine pipeline is "if all partys agree".
I know you love to argue black is white but i thought even you could see this is a recipe for future problems as a lot of eu countries do.
If you read what I wrote, any loss in income to Ukraine will be compensated.
The Ukraine does not use Russian gas. It transits only.
Ukraine has not, actually, been "thrown under the bus" at all, has it? The deal is guaranteed to 2024 and, as stated, could be be extended for another 10 years.
It may be let down at some unspecified point in the future, but up until now there is nothing that supports your headline is there?
I guess "The EU and the USA could throw Ukraine under the bus" is less punchy.At least try and get your facts right the Ukraine does use the gas,yes it guaranteed for another 3 years and Could is no guarantee that it will be extended.
Why would they build another pipeline if they are going to pay the same by compensating the ukraine and where is the link to this?
Why are so many other eu countries against it if this does not affect them?
Why would i bring the usa into it?"
No. Ukraine stopped importing natural gas from Russia after the annexation of Crimea. As I said, just transit flow via Ukraine to the EU.
Just look it up. As always it's a mix of money and geopolitics.
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care. "
Ok, given the fact that the EU is a conglomerate of developed industrial nations, and post industrial nations, what do you suggest.
Mining, car manufacturers, offices,complex metropolitan hubs and suburbs, then far off mountain and coastal villages, they all need energy.
I'd love it to come from a range of renewables, and the next best option is nuclear. However renewables require in-depth planning to workout the ideal mix to supply the block, and nuclear takes ages to assemble.
The long and short is that the EU needs that energy now, and they'll need that energy to manufacture and terraform any physical ground work to become energy self supporting.
So what's an alternative? |
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"Nord stream2 will deprive the Ukraine of much needed revenue along with a reduced gas pressure so that parts of it will no longer receive gas.The eu is aiding Russia's attempt to annex the Ukraine and are either blind to Putin's plan or it doesn't care.
Ok, given the fact that the EU is a conglomerate of developed industrial nations, and post industrial nations, what do you suggest.
Mining, car manufacturers, offices,complex metropolitan hubs and suburbs, then far off mountain and coastal villages, they all need energy.
I'd love it to come from a range of renewables, and the next best option is nuclear. However renewables require in-depth planning to workout the ideal mix to supply the block, and nuclear takes ages to assemble.
The long and short is that the EU needs that energy now, and they'll need that energy to manufacture and terraform any physical ground work to become energy self supporting.
So what's an alternative? "
Molecules of freedom from the USA. |
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