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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Kier Starmer needs to sell socialism to the rest of the country not try to stamp it out ."
jezza tried that last time and got a big no thanks,when are labour voters on the left gona realise the majority of voters in this country aint intrested in socialism,if me someone who does not vote at all can see this why do some in labour keep flogging this dead horse
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"Kier Starmer needs to sell socialism to the rest of the country not try to stamp it out .jezza tried that last time and got a big no thanks,when are labour voters on the left gona realise the majority of voters in this country aint intrested in socialism,if me someone who does not vote at all can see this why do some in labour keep flogging this dead horse"
Spot on. The Tories aren't great, but they have it made easy fir them by the Labour Party and the reputation of their more extreme supporters. Shame as we need a strong opposition, but it's seriously poor. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am attending the conference in Brighton next week, any other Fabers about ? "
Why would anyone support a racist party and a party that encourages child grooming.???
Even Keir let Jimmy Saville off the hook, stating there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am attending the conference in Brighton next week, any other Fabers about ?
Why would anyone support a racist party and a party that encourages child grooming.???
Even Keir let Jimmy Saville off the hook, stating there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute."
are you saying Keir had a direct say in the decision ? Or that as the head of the CPS he should be accountable for the decisions made by those under him ? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Big test for Kier Starmer today, when the £15 minimum wage gets debated.
Shadow Front Bench Minister, and Jeremy Corbyn supporter, Andy McDonald publicly resigned yesterday, heaping more pressure on SKS.
The Left of the party and the TUC, want this £15 min wage to be policy. The Leadership are going to have quite a battle today! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The left of the party....momentum (militant tendency still going strong) are still determined to either turn the party to extreme socialism or destroy it completely.
The Tory boys must be rubbing their hands together with glee.
What a shambles!! |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
Ipswich |
"The left of the party....momentum (militant tendency still going strong) are still determined to either turn the party to extreme socialism or destroy it completely.
The Tory boys must be rubbing their hands together with glee.
What a shambles!!"
Yes I noticed the word 'comrades' was used a lot  |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Big test for Kier Starmer today, when the £15 minimum wage gets debated.
Shadow Front Bench Minister, and Jeremy Corbyn supporter, Andy McDonald publicly resigned yesterday, heaping more pressure on SKS.
The Left of the party and the TUC, want this £15 min wage to be policy. The Leadership are going to have quite a battle today! "
A £15 minimum wage will kill off near on very small business and leave the market wide open for the big boys to step right in  |
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"The left of the party....momentum (militant tendency still going strong) are still determined to either turn the party to extreme socialism or destroy it completely.
The Tory boys must be rubbing their hands together with glee.
What a shambles!!
Yes I noticed the word 'comrades' was used a lot "
That says rather a lot!
Slightly right of centre myself, but think it incredibly important to have a strong opposition AND genuine options when it comes to voting time. Neither are the case at present.
If you're a die hard Labour supporter you need to win back the likes of me. There's absolutely zero chance of that for the foreseeable future, even though I'm not exactly in love with the Conservative Party either. Labour die hards needs to get their heads our if the sand. Its been there for far too long. I've actually started feeling a bit sorry for Starmer when he seems to be surrounded by the looney left, both in shadow cabinet and in party support. No chance I'll vote for those ideals. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
so now the labour party condemn the aukus agreement with a vote of 70.35% to 29.65% after SKS told parliament he welcomed the increased cooperation.It seems the party is still more likely to listen to mr Corbyn. |
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"so now the labour party condemn the aukus agreement with a vote of 70.35% to 29.65% after SKS told parliament he welcomed the increased cooperation.It seems the party is still more likely to listen to mr Corbyn. "
......confirming that they don't live in the real world and don't want to get elected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
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I didn’t catch it live, what I have seen looks good, comparing what he has achieved with with Boris was a shrewd tactic |
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"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
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I agree it was a good speech, not sure it will help though because god they have got themselves into a real mess, the civil war in the party is tearing it shreds and I fear it will overshadow much. Sad to see  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
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Agree as far as the bits I've heard but didn't go down too well with many on the left going on the heckling.
SKS says he would rather win election than unite the party....a party as disunited as labour currently wouldn't win an egg and spoon race. Sad situation! |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
lytham st.annes |
"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
Agree as far as the bits I've heard but didn't go down too well with many on the left going on the heckling.
SKS says he would rather win election than unite the party....a party as disunited as labour currently wouldn't win an egg and spoon race. Sad situation!"
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
Agree as far as the bits I've heard but didn't go down too well with many on the left going on the heckling.
SKS says he would rather win election than unite the party....a party as disunited as labour currently wouldn't win an egg and spoon race. Sad situation!"
The party at war with itself is a worry and I would like to see more flesh on the bones with the new direction but at least there is finally some bones to put the flesh on |
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"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
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Indeed. As someone who's voted Conservative the last few times it would be good to have choices again - and a party that forms a strong opposition at very least. |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
SKS speech was pretty good and slapping down the corbynites was the icing on the cake.
It’s true, just like in tory town, there are factions, but opposed to the tories, SKS has not pandered to his extremist elements like ‘trivial’ Johnson.
There now is a clear choice, tory chaos or labour stability. None of the pie in the sky corbyn crap and his hysterical hyenas. General election is going to be real interesting now. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
Agree as far as the bits I've heard but didn't go down too well with many on the left going on the heckling.
SKS says he would rather win election than unite the party....a party as disunited as labour currently wouldn't win an egg and spoon race. Sad situation!"
I think the corbyn left need the epiphany that what they think plays well to their hardcore members doesn’t play nearly as well in the real world…. As starmer said, “if we think the tories were bad in 2019, and we got trounced by them, then what does that say about us?”
And it’s the one question they can’t answer and always want to point fingers elsewhere |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"Have to say for someone who thought labour had lost their way, that was a seriously good speech by starmer
Agree as far as the bits I've heard but didn't go down too well with many on the left going on the heckling.
SKS says he would rather win election than unite the party....a party as disunited as labour currently wouldn't win an egg and spoon race. Sad situation!
I think the corbyn left need the epiphany that what they think plays well to their hardcore members doesn’t play nearly as well in the real world…. As starmer said, “if we think the tories were bad in 2019, and we got trounced by them, then what does that say about us?”
And it’s the one question they can’t answer and always want to point fingers elsewhere "
A real good put down of corbyn without mentioning corbyn. |
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At last, he's started to finally acknowledge that brexit is a thing. We're stuck with the fucker whatever anyone's opinion of it is, so it's in all of our interests to try and make it work. The last 18 months where he's refused to even say the word hasn't helped his cause. It's a shitshow that should be an open goal but he's been terrified of missing his shot. |
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"At last, he's started to finally acknowledge that brexit is a thing. We're stuck with the fucker whatever anyone's opinion of it is, so it's in all of our interests to try and make it work. The last 18 months where he's refused to even say the word hasn't helped his cause. It's a shitshow that should be an open goal but he's been terrified of missing his shot. "
Trying to make it work is like trying to get Red Rum to race again. |
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"SKS speech was pretty good and slapping down the corbynites was the icing on the cake.
It’s true, just like in tory town, there are factions, but opposed to the tories, SKS has not pandered to his extremist elements like ‘trivial’ Johnson.
There now is a clear choice, tory chaos or labour stability. None of the pie in the sky corbyn crap and his hysterical hyenas. General election is going to be real interesting now."
Unfortunately that stability hasn't actually manifested itself yet. Can't see it happening for a while. |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"I watched it and thought it lacked substance
defiantly too much life story & not enough policy,
That is true but he needs to ‘sell’ himself first, "
You’re right sell the person, then the policy.
But the vision was there, and that is what we need an opposition which is competent and will make the right choices, he will inherit a mess, but at least I could trust those in his team more than the current government. |
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"I watched it and thought it lacked substance
defiantly too much life story & not enough policy,
That is true but he needs to ‘sell’ himself first,
You’re right sell the person, then the policy.
But the vision was there, and that is what we need an opposition which is competent and will make the right choices, he will inherit a mess, but at least I could trust those in his team more than the current government. "
Yes, we need a competent and strong opposition but the vision isn't there. It's the same old rhetoric |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"I watched it and thought it lacked substance
defiantly too much life story & not enough policy,
That is true but he needs to ‘sell’ himself first,
You’re right sell the person, then the policy.
But the vision was there, and that is what we need an opposition which is competent and will make the right choices, he will inherit a mess, but at least I could trust those in his team more than the current government.
Yes, we need a competent and strong opposition but the vision isn't there. It's the same old rhetoric"
Depends on your point of view, it wasn’t some uber left wet dream, it was pragmatic and competent, the british public want stability, they want surerity. I doubt any other party apart from Labour can deliver that now. With a centrist agenda which is what people actually want. |
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Starmer lied to get the Labour leadership. He won't ever get my vote.
But it'd help if he had any kind of dynamic, positive vision. "work hard", "tough on crime" - it's just Tory-lite.
It won't convince anyone. That's why he's constantly behind in the polls vs a government of buffoons. |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"Starmer lied to get the Labour leadership. He won't ever get my vote.
But it'd help if he had any kind of dynamic, positive vision. "work hard", "tough on crime" - it's just Tory-lite.
It won't convince anyone. That's why he's constantly behind in the polls vs a government of buffoons. "
Polls far between elections are not a true indicator of who will win, labour were ahead in polls before an election before getting trounced, people’s mood changes quite quickly,
Furthermore, a person is entitled to change their opinion on an issue, doesn’t make them a liar, it makes them informed. How else is anyone ever going to grow as a individual?
Case in point trivial johnson, denied climate change, then got informed, now is no longer a denier. Did that make him a liar? |
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Labour's biggest problem is its name.
If only they had changed it to 'Democrats' before other people wasted the name they would be riding high now.
Nobody with an ounce of aspiration wants to join a party with a name that sounds like a prison sentence.
Other countries where the left are known as democrats have more success in unseating the right wing. |
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"Labour's biggest problem is its name.
If only they had changed it to 'Democrats' before other people wasted the name they would be riding high now.
Nobody with an ounce of aspiration wants to join a party with a name that sounds like a prison sentence.
Other countries where the left are known as democrats have more success in unseating the right wing."
The phrases 'right wing' and 'left wing' only apply to the more extreme types who give any party a bad name for my money. I always think of politics in terms of very narrow bands of blue or red at the extreme ends and a massive white band of people who form the vast majority of the country - largely those who don't feel particularly represented by either much. Pity we can't have a common sense party all of us who aren't on the make, or who have a narrow vested interest in it could vote for. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour's biggest problem is its name.
If only they had changed it to 'Democrats' before other people wasted the name they would be riding high now.
Nobody with an ounce of aspiration wants to join a party with a name that sounds like a prison sentence.
Other countries where the left are known as democrats have more success in unseating the right wing.
The phrases 'right wing' and 'left wing' only apply to the more extreme types who give any party a bad name for my money. I always think of politics in terms of very narrow bands of blue or red at the extreme ends and a massive white band of people who form the vast majority of the country - largely those who don't feel particularly represented by either much. Pity we can't have a common sense party all of us who aren't on the make, or who have a narrow vested interest in it could vote for. "
Recent studies show that the number of people calling themselves moderates/centrists is shrinking. Partisanship is a growing problem in Western countries. As people get more partisan, politicians obvious start adapting to it and think about what a conservative/progressive would do instead of trying to find a common sense solution. |
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"Labour's biggest problem is its name.
If only they had changed it to 'Democrats' before other people wasted the name they would be riding high now.
Nobody with an ounce of aspiration wants to join a party with a name that sounds like a prison sentence.
Other countries where the left are known as democrats have more success in unseating the right wing.
The phrases 'right wing' and 'left wing' only apply to the more extreme types who give any party a bad name for my money. I always think of politics in terms of very narrow bands of blue or red at the extreme ends and a massive white band of people who form the vast majority of the country - largely those who don't feel particularly represented by either much. Pity we can't have a common sense party all of us who aren't on the make, or who have a narrow vested interest in it could vote for.
Recent studies show that the number of people calling themselves moderates/centrists is shrinking. Partisanship is a growing problem in Western countries. As people get more partisan, politicians obvious start adapting to it and think about what a conservative/progressive would do instead of trying to find a common sense solution."
Interesting! |
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