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"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ?" What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency? | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?" I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? | |||
"So the PM and his cretinous Cabinet are now pushing the narrative that investing in youth and giving them a better education and a better skill set means that in future our society will be a higher-skilled and better-paid society. (Notwithstanding that there have been 11/12 years of cuts to education and adult services - but never mind that). However, society needs literally millions of unskilled workers to keep society functioning - where do these millions of unskilled menial workers come from? It has been said laughably by Conservative commentators (and others)that this is why we will have visa's - to enable cheap foreign labour to come to our shores to serve us, clean up after us and prepare our foodstuffs. It is staggering beyond belief that ANYONE could take this fruitcake Exceptionalism seriously. MILLIONS of full-time, menial workers keep the country going and that is going to be maintained by short-term working visa's??? This Government and its idiotic disciples just go from one level of ridiculousness - to the next." He's said he's not worried about the jobs gap, rising energy prices, possible inflation, etc. Well, why would he be? Like his entire Cabinet, his wealth isolates him from all that. Like what happened with austerity, his kind won't suffer and nor will most of his fan-base. That said, it is dawning on some Tories that they're finally going to have bear a small part of their share of the burden. It's ok, though. If Rishi says raising taxes on them is the right thing to do (and it is), they'll just have to accept it. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?" You were the one to mention short term visas for foreign workers I merely pointed out that’s the same length of time that the EU gives for temporary workers in the block from outside including uk workers who want to work there | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? " Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? " Absolutely. Education generally should be far better funded, as should adult education and skill learning at a local level. Unfortunately, for the last decade, these are the very institutions and programmes that have been victims of cuts. It's all just hollow rhetoric. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives?" Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives?" I agree 100% maybe some stupid uni coarses could be dropped and encourage them into apprenticeships that mean something | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives?I agree 100% maybe some stupid uni coarses could be dropped and encourage them into apprenticeships that mean something " I briefly worked for a training company that specialised in apprenticeship schemes. The employers saw it as cheap labour, the qualifications were questionable and the actual work experience not a lot better. The owner of the company did move a lot of money into his pension scheme though. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university?" Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives?I agree 100% maybe some stupid uni coarses could be dropped and encourage them into apprenticeships that mean something I briefly worked for a training company that specialised in apprenticeship schemes. The employers saw it as cheap labour, the qualifications were questionable and the actual work experience not a lot better. The owner of the company did move a lot of money into his pension scheme though. " That is more an issue with implementation, rather than a blanket therefore apprenticeships are pointless surely? Sounds like a government scheme to keep unemployment numbers low, i.e. they are in training and not counted. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years..." If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable? | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable?" There's already a system for this decision making. You need to go through the different levels of exams before you get to a degree. If you can't pass an A Level or two, you don't get to do a degree. I struggled with o levels, and would never have got through a degree course, and in fact at that age did not want to either. As long as there are proper opportunities for everyone, be they further education, or further practical training I don't see a problem. It's not being elitist to say not everyone can complete a degree surely? | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable? There's already a system for this decision making. You need to go through the different levels of exams before you get to a degree. If you can't pass an A Level or two, you don't get to do a degree. I struggled with o levels, and would never have got through a degree course, and in fact at that age did not want to either. As long as there are proper opportunities for everyone, be they further education, or further practical training I don't see a problem. It's not being elitist to say not everyone can complete a degree surely?" I struggled with O levels and A levels, I got a degree. Give people opportunity, don't close them down. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable? There's already a system for this decision making. You need to go through the different levels of exams before you get to a degree. If you can't pass an A Level or two, you don't get to do a degree. I struggled with o levels, and would never have got through a degree course, and in fact at that age did not want to either. As long as there are proper opportunities for everyone, be they further education, or further practical training I don't see a problem. It's not being elitist to say not everyone can complete a degree surely? I struggled with O levels and A levels, I got a degree. Give people opportunity, don't close them down. " There needs to be some sort of criteria. Do you agree not everyone will be able to get a degree? Therefore by only focusing on pushing people in this direction we are failing a huge swathe of people (and let's face it, we don't have the capacity for everyone to do a degree anyway). We are also failing to change a diverse workforce capable of doing all the tasks required by our society. Making it that the degree is the target of every child entering education is setting up a lot to fail. Other qualifications and paths should be just as important and available. My daughter has just finished her masters. What's she doing? Working for an interesting IT company in a sales position. But there is nothing from her degree that is relevant to that position. Her capability to do the job was always there. One could call it both a waste of time and money, obviously there are other aspects to uni than just a degree. But you could get them from the Army! | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable? There's already a system for this decision making. You need to go through the different levels of exams before you get to a degree. If you can't pass an A Level or two, you don't get to do a degree. I struggled with o levels, and would never have got through a degree course, and in fact at that age did not want to either. As long as there are proper opportunities for everyone, be they further education, or further practical training I don't see a problem. It's not being elitist to say not everyone can complete a degree surely? I struggled with O levels and A levels, I got a degree. Give people opportunity, don't close them down. There needs to be some sort of criteria. Do you agree not everyone will be able to get a degree? Therefore by only focusing on pushing people in this direction we are failing a huge swathe of people (and let's face it, we don't have the capacity for everyone to do a degree anyway). We are also failing to change a diverse workforce capable of doing all the tasks required by our society. Making it that the degree is the target of every child entering education is setting up a lot to fail. Other qualifications and paths should be just as important and available. My daughter has just finished her masters. What's she doing? Working for an interesting IT company in a sales position. But there is nothing from her degree that is relevant to that position. Her capability to do the job was always there. One could call it both a waste of time and money, obviously there are other aspects to uni than just a degree. But you could get them from the Army!" If you want someone to fail, best start is to deny them access. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable? There's already a system for this decision making. You need to go through the different levels of exams before you get to a degree. If you can't pass an A Level or two, you don't get to do a degree. I struggled with o levels, and would never have got through a degree course, and in fact at that age did not want to either. As long as there are proper opportunities for everyone, be they further education, or further practical training I don't see a problem. It's not being elitist to say not everyone can complete a degree surely? I struggled with O levels and A levels, I got a degree. Give people opportunity, don't close them down. There needs to be some sort of criteria. Do you agree not everyone will be able to get a degree? Therefore by only focusing on pushing people in this direction we are failing a huge swathe of people (and let's face it, we don't have the capacity for everyone to do a degree anyway). We are also failing to change a diverse workforce capable of doing all the tasks required by our society. Making it that the degree is the target of every child entering education is setting up a lot to fail. Other qualifications and paths should be just as important and available. My daughter has just finished her masters. What's she doing? Working for an interesting IT company in a sales position. But there is nothing from her degree that is relevant to that position. Her capability to do the job was always there. One could call it both a waste of time and money, obviously there are other aspects to uni than just a degree. But you could get them from the Army! If you want someone to fail, best start is to deny them access. " I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here. Do you believe everyone can acquire a degree? If not, then at some point we have to decide who is going to attempt and who isn't. Otherwise, tell me your plan for allowing everyone to attempt (and many fail) a degree, and how you believe that will help our work force. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable? There's already a system for this decision making. You need to go through the different levels of exams before you get to a degree. If you can't pass an A Level or two, you don't get to do a degree. I struggled with o levels, and would never have got through a degree course, and in fact at that age did not want to either. As long as there are proper opportunities for everyone, be they further education, or further practical training I don't see a problem. It's not being elitist to say not everyone can complete a degree surely? I struggled with O levels and A levels, I got a degree. Give people opportunity, don't close them down. There needs to be some sort of criteria. Do you agree not everyone will be able to get a degree? Therefore by only focusing on pushing people in this direction we are failing a huge swathe of people (and let's face it, we don't have the capacity for everyone to do a degree anyway). We are also failing to change a diverse workforce capable of doing all the tasks required by our society. Making it that the degree is the target of every child entering education is setting up a lot to fail. Other qualifications and paths should be just as important and available. My daughter has just finished her masters. What's she doing? Working for an interesting IT company in a sales position. But there is nothing from her degree that is relevant to that position. Her capability to do the job was always there. One could call it both a waste of time and money, obviously there are other aspects to uni than just a degree. But you could get them from the Army! If you want someone to fail, best start is to deny them access. I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here. Do you believe everyone can acquire a degree? If not, then at some point we have to decide who is going to attempt and who isn't. Otherwise, tell me your plan for allowing everyone to attempt (and many fail) a degree, and how you believe that will help our work force." It's simple, people should have the opportunity to go as far as they possibly can. I don't see a "work force", I see people. | |||
"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university? Not really. Only the capable should go to university. If you are not going to be able to complete a degree successfully, no-one is going to benefit from your attendance at university for a couple of years... If you don't give people the opportunity, how do you know they are not able? And who decides if you are capable? There's already a system for this decision making. You need to go through the different levels of exams before you get to a degree. If you can't pass an A Level or two, you don't get to do a degree. I struggled with o levels, and would never have got through a degree course, and in fact at that age did not want to either. As long as there are proper opportunities for everyone, be they further education, or further practical training I don't see a problem. It's not being elitist to say not everyone can complete a degree surely? I struggled with O levels and A levels, I got a degree. Give people opportunity, don't close them down. There needs to be some sort of criteria. Do you agree not everyone will be able to get a degree? Therefore by only focusing on pushing people in this direction we are failing a huge swathe of people (and let's face it, we don't have the capacity for everyone to do a degree anyway). We are also failing to change a diverse workforce capable of doing all the tasks required by our society. Making it that the degree is the target of every child entering education is setting up a lot to fail. Other qualifications and paths should be just as important and available. My daughter has just finished her masters. What's she doing? Working for an interesting IT company in a sales position. But there is nothing from her degree that is relevant to that position. Her capability to do the job was always there. One could call it both a waste of time and money, obviously there are other aspects to uni than just a degree. But you could get them from the Army! If you want someone to fail, best start is to deny them access. I'm really not sure what you are trying to argue here. Do you believe everyone can acquire a degree? If not, then at some point we have to decide who is going to attempt and who isn't. Otherwise, tell me your plan for allowing everyone to attempt (and many fail) a degree, and how you believe that will help our work force. It's simple, people should have the opportunity to go as far as they possibly can. I don't see a "work force", I see people. " I don't believe I have said at any point that someone that can, shouldn't attempt a degree. But you have to agree that not everyone is capable. If you are unwilling to acknowledge that this is pointless. "to go as far as they can" does not mean everyone doing or even getting the opportunity to do a degree. Which is all I have been saying... I am all for people reaching their potential, but not everyone has the potential to attain a degree. To allow everyone to try anyway (which seems to be your odd position) is unfeasible from a cost and capacity basis alone. | |||
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"As far as further education goes. It might be helpful if people who were seeking vocational qualifications to enter skilled careers could obtain the same kinds of education grants that are available for pointless University Degree’s. Fork Lift Drivers HGV Operators Pilots Seafarers Abs I am sure many more have to selF-fund their advancement whilst a student wanting to get a Degree in Media, Art or Music gets a student loan." You can get a loan for any recognised course. | |||
"As far as further education goes. It might be helpful if people who were seeking vocational qualifications to enter skilled careers could obtain the same kinds of education grants that are available for pointless University Degree’s. Fork Lift Drivers HGV Operators Pilots Seafarers Abs I am sure many more have to selF-fund their advancement whilst a student wanting to get a Degree in Media, Art or Music gets a student loan." if only sounds great to me would solve the problem but can’t see blow job going for it sadly | |||
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"As far as further education goes. It might be helpful if people who were seeking vocational qualifications to enter skilled careers could obtain the same kinds of education grants that are available for pointless University Degree’s. Fork Lift Drivers HGV Operators Pilots Seafarers Abs I am sure many more have to selF-fund their advancement whilst a student wanting to get a Degree in Media, Art or Music gets a student loan." A “pointless degree” … really ???  | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages" Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. | |||
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"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful." That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful." The people who suffered most by rubbishy employers bringing in cheap labour are the ones who are getting justice at last. The scales were artificially tilted against them as the employers knew any of 465m EU citizens could be brought to the UK. Supply and demand will now balance out in the months and years to come. Training and apprenticeships is already starting after decades in which rubbish employers just brought ready-trained people in from elsewhere and condemned our own people to the dole. The people who oppose this rebalancing must explain themselves | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary" No it isn't. It all depends on what happens to the money supply. Are you arguing that workers should always suffer flooded labour markets? Why? | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary No it isn't. It all depends on what happens to the money supply. Are you arguing that workers should always suffer flooded labour markets? Why?" I am saying that if you're given 2.3% wage increase, the chances are the rate of inflation will hit 3% during that financial year. If you want an increase in standard if living, you won't get it that way. You might not like it, but that's the reality of life | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary" I doubt that care home employers can give all its carers managerial postions, there would be no one to care for the residents! As an example. That’s actual life. The actual truth is that the current government has put the UK in a precarious position, its disasterous brexit policy is being mishandled still and where it could have been a better brexit, it has caused nothing but turmoil at our borders, our neighbours are threatening to cut power in our territories. All the get on with it and panic lying is a sign that the right is out of ideas to address the mess they got the citizens in the UK. Who they are accountable to! | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary No it isn't. It all depends on what happens to the money supply. Are you arguing that workers should always suffer flooded labour markets? Why? I am saying that if you're given 2.3% wage increase, the chances are the rate of inflation will hit 3% during that financial year. If you want an increase in standard if living, you won't get it that way. You might not like it, but that's the reality of life" That doesn't follow at all. In the 80s and 90s there were shortages of computer staff and legal staff As a result their wages were bidded up strongly. That has always happened. Same with other jobs...pay goes up or down according to supply and demand. What the EU did was interfered with supply and demand to flood labour markets which helped only bad employers who no longer had to pay people well or train them Brexit allows us to move away from that exploitative model | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary I doubt that care home employers can give all its carers managerial postions, there would be no one to care for the residents! As an example. That’s actual life. The actual truth is that the current government has put the UK in a precarious position, its disasterous brexit policy is being mishandled still and where it could have been a better brexit, it has caused nothing but turmoil at our borders, our neighbours are threatening to cut power in our territories. All the get on with it and panic lying is a sign that the right is out of ideas to address the mess they got the citizens in the UK. Who they are accountable to!" No-one says care home employers should make all staff into managers. You misunderstand the economics. Read my other answers | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. The people who suffered most by rubbishy employers bringing in cheap labour are the ones who are getting justice at last. The scales were artificially tilted against them as the employers knew any of 465m EU citizens could be brought to the UK. Supply and demand will now balance out in the months and years to come. Training and apprenticeships is already starting after decades in which rubbish employers just brought ready-trained people in from elsewhere and condemned our own people to the dole. The people who oppose this rebalancing must explain themselves" Justice? What justice? Low wages were supported by tories for years and years, who destroyed our manufacturing bases in the north and midlands and did not offer the adequate retraining of workers? Who decimated our education system? Yes the tories have been forced to do the bare minimum (slow clap)but its a sticking plaster on a massive wound, their chronic underinvestment in key sectors has left the UK here, and now they offer scraps and pat us on the head and say hey! Its ok were doing something. Pull the other one. Again panic lying. | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary I doubt that care home employers can give all its carers managerial postions, there would be no one to care for the residents! As an example. That’s actual life. The actual truth is that the current government has put the UK in a precarious position, its disasterous brexit policy is being mishandled still and where it could have been a better brexit, it has caused nothing but turmoil at our borders, our neighbours are threatening to cut power in our territories. All the get on with it and panic lying is a sign that the right is out of ideas to address the mess they got the citizens in the UK. Who they are accountable to! No-one says care home employers should make all staff into managers. You misunderstand the economics. Read my other answers" And you misunderstand human nature, which was clearly on show when people started panic buying fuel and goods. People are not concerned with complex theories, they are concerned with the money in their pocket and how much they can buy with it. The current government is far removed from the people it rules, out of touch, and thinks some far off date in “utopia” is going to make up for the strife they are going through now. | |||
"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. That's life. If you want a real terms increase in your spending power, get promoted or a better paid job. Simply increasing the wages for doing existing jobs is inflationary No it isn't. It all depends on what happens to the money supply. Are you arguing that workers should always suffer flooded labour markets? Why? I am saying that if you're given 2.3% wage increase, the chances are the rate of inflation will hit 3% during that financial year. If you want an increase in standard if living, you won't get it that way. You might not like it, but that's the reality of life That doesn't follow at all. In the 80s and 90s there were shortages of computer staff and legal staff As a result their wages were bidded up strongly. That has always happened. Same with other jobs...pay goes up or down according to supply and demand. What the EU did was interfered with supply and demand to flood labour markets which helped only bad employers who no longer had to pay people well or train them Brexit allows us to move away from that exploitative model" None so blind as those who choose not see. The “EU” didn’t do anything and if you think that wage inflation is a good thing then you must have a very short memory. The model that you are choosing to believe is setting the country up for an economic collapse through inflation and eventually currency devaluation. In a stable economy, every job has a value because every wage contributes to the cost of living. | |||
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"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives?"  | |||
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"Boris failed to neglect that if we need to be a high skilled high wage society, we need low skilled people to do the jobs that keep the wheels turning. What a pillock." fuuny no one mentions Singapore when it comes to foreign workers ... Just tax and the economy | |||
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"What the same length visas that the EU offers other Nationals outside the EU block you mean ? What are you talking about? What has the EU got to do with this? The point is that long-term employment needs in shops, factories, restaurants, bars, cleaning, hospitality and other sectors cannot be met by short-term visa’s. There are literally millions of people employed full-time in such roles. The Government thinks that the answer to the problem of people having such low paid jobs is to get better jobs. But then who does the low-paid jobs?? Or…. Are we all happy to see runaway inflation and a devalued currency?I get your frustration and agree it’s hard to believe a word out his mouth but do you not agree with spending on our youth ? Not all of our youth are going to be able to get these high paying jobs. Firstly because there aren't that many of them (the jobs that is), and secondly due to the recognition we are not all capable of rising above manual low-skilled jobs. This is by no means a bad thing, as long as those jobs are also valued within society, and their worth recognised. So rather than trying to raise everyone up to a level they might not be able to attain. Why not make sure that people doing these essential jobs are properly compensated and given the recognition they deserve/need to lead happy lives? Advocacy for grammar school and secondary modern school ? Only the "deserving" get to university?" Hmmm nothing to do with “deserving” but what is wrong with streaming students by ability. Some people are academically clever. Some are more practical and vocational. Some jobs need the former and other jobs need the latter. Factor in that people have different learning styles (simplistically, some learn by reading/absorbing but others learn by doing) and that again reflects positively on streaming. | |||
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"Higher wages myst be accompanied by higher productivity otherwise it results in inflation wiping out the benefit of the higher wages." This is true but higher wages will take more people off benefits, why should British tax payers subsidise companies many off whom dont pay their fare share of tax and are making huge profits by paying their employees universal credit because they dont earn enough? | |||
"Higher wages myst be accompanied by higher productivity otherwise it results in inflation wiping out the benefit of the higher wages.This is true but higher wages will take more people off benefits, why should British tax payers subsidise companies many off whom dont pay their fare share of tax and are making huge profits by paying their employees universal credit because they dont earn enough?" should we therefore have a higher minimum wage to smoke out these bad practices. Or have a additional few percent on corporation next for those who don't meet living wage ? | |||
"Higher wages myst be accompanied by higher productivity otherwise it results in inflation wiping out the benefit of the higher wages.This is true but higher wages will take more people off benefits, why should British tax payers subsidise companies many off whom dont pay their fare share of tax and are making huge profits by paying their employees universal credit because they dont earn enough?should we therefore have a higher minimum wage to smoke out these bad practices. Or have a additional few percent on corporation next for those who don't meet living wage ?" The trouble with a higher minimum wage is that it would drive a lot of small businesses out such as your local greengrocer, fishmonger etc whom only employ a few people so guess thats not the answer. Supply and demand usually dictate wages and in my opinion is the best way to go the less government interference the better i think. | |||
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"Higher wages myst be accompanied by higher productivity otherwise it results in inflation wiping out the benefit of the higher wages.This is true but higher wages will take more people off benefits, why should British tax payers subsidise companies many off whom dont pay their fare share of tax and are making huge profits by paying their employees universal credit because they dont earn enough?should we therefore have a higher minimum wage to smoke out these bad practices. Or have a additional few percent on corporation next for those who don't meet living wage ?The trouble with a higher minimum wage is that it would drive a lot of small businesses out such as your local greengrocer, fishmonger etc whom only employ a few people so guess thats not the answer. Supply and demand usually dictate wages and in my opinion is the best way to go the less government interference the better i think. " To a degree, I agree. However, the power is in the hands of the employer in most cases, "the market" is never run entirely fairly. That's why there needs to be oversight of the market by a regulator of some sort (in this case the government) to avoid it's rigging by the powerful participants. It's why unions were formed in the first place, because the labour market was skewed too much in favour of the employer. "supply and demand" and "free markets" only work on paper, in reality without rules and oversight the market soon becomes the tool of the powerful players within it. It's pretty much the same argument as the right use against communism. Great theory, but human nature means it's pretty much unachievable (in actual fact it's not such a great theory anyway, it is patently obvious that not everyone is equal). | |||
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"It's fantastic that we are now trying to transition from the EU s economic model of cheap labour and no training. There'll be bumps in the road but I have no doubt it is for the best long term. Bad employers have been given an easy ride for too long. To be frank, some of them need a good kick...and at last they are responding by increasing wages Increasing wages?, still doesn’t cover the increase in goods. In real terms the wage increase is nothing. Bumps in the road? You could have told the millions of people who voted for this exit what this meant, more panic lying from the tory faithful. The people who suffered most by rubbishy employers bringing in cheap labour are the ones who are getting justice at last. The scales were artificially tilted against them as the employers knew any of 465m EU citizens could be brought to the UK. Supply and demand will now balance out in the months and years to come. Training and apprenticeships is already starting after decades in which rubbish employers just brought ready-trained people in from elsewhere and condemned our own people to the dole. The people who oppose this rebalancing must explain themselves Justice? What justice? Low wages were supported by tories for years and years, who destroyed our manufacturing bases in the north and midlands and did not offer the adequate retraining of workers? Who decimated our education system? Yes the tories have been forced to do the bare minimum (slow clap)but its a sticking plaster on a massive wound, their chronic underinvestment in key sectors has left the UK here, and now they offer scraps and pat us on the head and say hey! Its ok were doing something. Pull the other one. Again panic lying." This isn't about 'Tories' or 'Labour'. This is about whether employers should be able to undermine UK workers by having free access to lower paid workers from the EU. It is wholly a good thing that workers should be equals in the labour market after decades in which their wages suffered downward pressure from the EU's free movement | |||
