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It's clear that China will NOT speak out against Russia on this
And part of the reason is the expectation of Russian support once China decides to rectify their Taiwan issue
The question is how long until they do it |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
Even the Italians rolled over when the first shot was fired. Seems they and Germany are too dependant on Russia. Can't agree on EU response, no surprise. Unless the EU can stand united its days are now numbered. Germany will not be the economic super power it was, with no Russian gas their economy has had it. |
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"Even the Italians rolled over when the first shot was fired. Seems they and Germany are too dependant on Russia. Can't agree on EU response, no surprise. Unless the EU can stand united its days are now numbered. Germany will not be the economic super power it was, with no Russian gas their economy has had it. "
One of the benefits of Brexit is we aren't reliant upon 27 other countries to agree the colour of shite |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
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"Even the Italians rolled over when the first shot was fired. Seems they and Germany are too dependant on Russia. Can't agree on EU response, no surprise. Unless the EU can stand united its days are now numbered. Germany will not be the economic super power it was, with no Russian gas their economy has had it. "
EU Days are numbered? sound suspiciously like something Putin would say, almost Pro Putin. |
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The bog question is what to do about Vlad.
On one hand, you can't just let him take Ukraine without consequence. Can't fucking do it. Barring the fact that he may (or even likely) won't stop with just Ukraine it will embolden China to conquer Taiwan
On the other, how to do it without starting WW3
Biden said that he had no doubt the sanctions wouldn't work and he's right, to someone like Putin sanctions mean nothing because he doesn't care about his people (who are the ones affected by sanctions)
So... what to do |
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Putin is 69 which, while not particularly old, is "end of life" time and I've no doubt he's willing to go as far as he can with little regard for his own future and it's difficult to threaten or placate someone who doesn't care about his future |
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"Putin is 69 which, while not particularly old, is "end of life" time and I've no doubt he's willing to go as far as he can with little regard for his own future and it's difficult to threaten or placate someone who doesn't care about his future"
All this "what to do" is really moot. As much as people on here hate the US they are the ONLY ones who are able to stand against Russia or China. Europe is soft militarily and relies on economic sanctions alone and even then, not necessarily united |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
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And the EU chimps want to keep something in reserve for when it gets really bad, well if the Russians invaded Germany and babies and children were crying and civilians injured, would they say 'it's not that bad yet'
Some states in the EU need to have a good look at themselves to see what an embarrassment they are, Germany and Italy to start with. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
Germany basically sent a message to putin that they were willing to fuck the Ukraine over when they agreed to nord stream 2 this would have cut a large chunk of the Ukraine budget off for the transportation fees through the country. |
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"And the EU chimps want to keep something in reserve for when it gets really bad, well if the Russians invaded Germany and babies and children were crying and civilians injured, would they say 'it's not that bad yet'
Some states in the EU need to have a good look at themselves to see what an embarrassment they are, Germany and Italy to start with. "
Writing this from Germany.
Here people are embarrassed but also afraid. Not so much of the threat of Russian tanks rolling through the Brandenburg Gate, but the economic consequences.
Merkel allowed Germany to become far too reliant on Russian gas to fuel almost everything. Apart from a few old nuclear power stations (which are due to close this year) and the usual useless windmills Russian gas pretty much does the rest.
That is why Germany, and by default the EU. Will always be the weak link in any action taken against Putin.
Merkel and Putin did have a bit of history and she was one of the few world leaders he would listen to. But now she has gone.
The new German government is (to say the least) weak. While Scholz did have a short spell under Merkels wing he has no real leadership experience at all. And the new German foreign minister (Baerbock) was leader of the Greens. Enough said.
To give a clue to how well qualified she is, when asked a question about a trip Denmark she couldn't even remember the name of the capital. She could only come up with "you know that city with the Mermaid" 
Then at the EU there is Von de Leyen, known not very affectionately in Germany as "Flinten Ushi" from her days as the most useless defence minister in German history.
In France Macron could well be political toast in a couple of months and Italy and Spain are not really renowned for strong government.
The rest are either geographically or economically too small to make any difference.
Germany may be weak on the world stage but it still holds all the cards within the EU.
Bottom line is that the EU response will be (for the reasons above) whatever Germany wants it to be.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"And the EU chimps want to keep something in reserve for when it gets really bad, well if the Russians invaded Germany and babies and children were crying and civilians injured, would they say 'it's not that bad yet'
Some states in the EU need to have a good look at themselves to see what an embarrassment they are, Germany and Italy to start with.
Writing this from Germany.
Here people are embarrassed but also afraid. Not so much of the threat of Russian tanks rolling through the Brandenburg Gate, but the economic consequences.
Merkel allowed Germany to become far too reliant on Russian gas to fuel almost everything. Apart from a few old nuclear power stations (which are due to close this year) and the usual useless windmills Russian gas pretty much does the rest.
That is why Germany, and by default the EU. Will always be the weak link in any action taken against Putin.
Merkel and Putin did have a bit of history and she was one of the few world leaders he would listen to. But now she has gone.
The new German government is (to say the least) weak. While Scholz did have a short spell under Merkels wing he has no real leadership experience at all. And the new German foreign minister (Baerbock) was leader of the Greens. Enough said.
To give a clue to how well qualified she is, when asked a question about a trip Denmark she couldn't even remember the name of the capital. She could only come up with "you know that city with the Mermaid"
Then at the EU there is Von de Leyen, known not very affectionately in Germany as "Flinten Ushi" from her days as the most useless defence minister in German history.
In France Macron could well be political toast in a couple of months and Italy and Spain are not really renowned for strong government.
The rest are either geographically or economically too small to make any difference.
Germany may be weak on the world stage but it still holds all the cards within the EU.
Bottom line is that the EU response will be (for the reasons above) whatever Germany wants it to be.
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That just about sums it up.  |
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"Putin is 69 which, while not particularly old, is "end of life" time and I've no doubt he's willing to go as far as he can with little regard for his own future and it's difficult to threaten or placate someone who doesn't care about his future
All this "what to do" is really moot. As much as people on here hate the US they are the ONLY ones who are able to stand against Russia or China. Europe is soft militarily and relies on economic sanctions alone and even then, not necessarily united"
Less than 26% of the American electorate want to go to war with Russia. Why should we get involved in that mess? |
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"Putin is 69 which, while not particularly old, is "end of life" time and I've no doubt he's willing to go as far as he can with little regard for his own future and it's difficult to threaten or placate someone who doesn't care about his future
All this "what to do" is really moot. As much as people on here hate the US they are the ONLY ones who are able to stand against Russia or China. Europe is soft militarily and relies on economic sanctions alone and even then, not necessarily united
Less than 26% of the American electorate want to go to war with Russia. Why should we get involved in that mess? "
I don't want to go to war with Russia or anyone else.
But if the playground bully was beating up a friend of yours would you intervene or just say "not my problem" and walk away?
A playground bully is exactly what Putin is, he's just got a bigger playground.
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
The EU will certainly not be what Germany wants it to be. It's played its last hand, Germany is now going backwards, I'm sure the French will sell them some electric to keep what is left of their expensive manufacturing base going now the UK does not want it.
The French will now capitalise on Germanys shortcomings, they'll call the EU routine from here in. |
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"It's clear that China will NOT speak out against Russia on this
And part of the reason is the expectation of Russian support once China decides to rectify their Taiwan issue
The question is how long until they do it"
Might be by the end of this year - maybe longer. Nobody plays the long game like the Chinese do.
They can invade Taiwan any time they want to; they have the means. What they're waiting for is the optimum time to do it.
That will be when they realise that the USA can't be bothered sacrificing their servicemen to do so.
The difficulty with the USA and China is that neither has the capacity to overcome the other - geographically, financially nor militarily.
Not without catastrophic consequences for the rest of us.
Of the two, it's hard to tell which of them would be most likely to risk it. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
all around |
"The EU will certainly not be what Germany wants it to be. It's played its last hand, Germany is now going backwards, I'm sure the French will sell them some electric to keep what is left of their expensive manufacturing base going now the UK does not want it.
The French will now capitalise on Germanys shortcomings, they'll call the EU routine from here in. "
What does that mean ? |
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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago
City |
"I'm sure the French will sell them some electric to keep what is left of their expensive manufacturing base going now the UK does not want it."
Ireland is buying the electricity from France. It would be silly to turn it away and have ever increasing electricity bills like the UK has. Ireland will probably end up using more French electricity than the UK ever could due to data centers. Ireland had previously refused French electricity in favour of British. However there is a security concern about being in the EU and depending on a non EU member for power security and vice versa for the UK to depend on Irish power (Ireland was going to do a billion sterling green sea power plant for the UK).
Both sides have stepped away from their investments in each others. France was happy to step into the place of UK as they have the power ready now and just need the EU grant for big power lines under the sea, which was granted as far as I know. |
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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago
City |
On Topic of China.
The latest economic sanctions have finally spooked China, they phoned up Ukraine and asked if they could help calm tensions with Russia in any way. They also stayed away from a vote instead of attending and using a veto.
China relys on russia for its weapon systems and its watching the russian economy begin to crumble before its eyes. They know the russian billionaires wont care, but in china, how long can they have 1.5 billion ordinary people trying to do a run on their banks, and watch inflation hit what 20%? their currency tumble.. China could probably take what Russia is under right now.
But if it continues, china will probably come to the conclusion that the world is more united than russia let them believe.
China also owns a lot of stuff in europe/usa/africa. Imagine what they are thinking as all these countries gear up to just take russian owned stuff off them. Imagine all the chinese assets abroad just taken. All the american assets just taken and given to americans.
Africa would gear up and join in, because they would end up being able to seize their own roads off china etc.
China must be looking at the sanctions and feeling sick. |
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