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"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. " List of absolute self serving scumbags. If anyone supported them before, then they still will now. | |||
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"You can add obumma (big Mike) , Clinton’s, tony Blair, bush, all Demrats (Dementia Biden) Chinese dictators, Saudis.. all scum to put on the list."  | |||
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"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. " A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. | |||
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"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! " Calm down dear, don't think fab members have that much power. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! " your sounding like justin trudolf  | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple." Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble." The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble." The trouble is (ignoring the stupidity of the FPTP system) the current Govt only got in due to Brexit. People were so fixated on achieving Brexit they ignored everything else, including the utter shite that is Johnski and his cronies. Putin has played a blinder and with people like Johnski’s help has deceived large sections of the British public. You’ve been had! Johnski and pals have used the Russian playbook to use national emergency to literally steal state assets and enrich themselves. British Oligarchs in the making. Thanks to you Brexit supporters and your blinkers! | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. " Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform." Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf "Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then! | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble." The problem is they don't become utter cunts overnight. The system means compromises have to be made in order to have a say in policy. The others with principals don't compromise and are left shouting from the back benches, but never able to dictate policy. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well." Very true and to compound the problem the only party likely (very likely at present) to replace them in power also will not change it. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Very true and to compound the problem the only party likely (very likely at present) to replace them in power also will not change it." Political parties take office not power. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Very true and to compound the problem the only party likely (very likely at present) to replace them in power also will not change it." I don't think it would solve the problem of people voting en-masse against their own interests. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Very true and to compound the problem the only party likely (very likely at present) to replace them in power also will not change it. Political parties take office not power. " Tell that to Boris Johnski and the Kleptocracy. Doing everything they can to ensure they increase power and stay in office. The veneer of democracy is what they desire. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Very true and to compound the problem the only party likely (very likely at present) to replace them in power also will not change it. I don't think it would solve the problem of people voting en-masse against their own interests. " Over 19 million registered to vote but did not vote in the last GE. If you are not going to vote do not register your interest in a vote, if if was shown that over 19 million did not register to vote the system might change and political parties might listen. | |||
"... You’ve been had! Johnski and pals have used the Russian playbook to use national emergency to literally steal state assets and enrich themselves. British Oligarchs in the making. Thanks to you Brexit supporters and your blinkers!" Never mind. 'We are the fastest growing economy in the G7'. For what that is worth! | |||
"... You’ve been had! Johnski and pals have used the Russian playbook to use national emergency to literally steal state assets and enrich themselves. British Oligarchs in the making. Thanks to you Brexit supporters and your blinkers! Never mind. 'We are the fastest growing economy in the G7'. For what that is worth!" Say that in 6 months when people are on the streets not been able to afford to feed themselves or heat their dwellings. | |||
"... You’ve been had! Johnski and pals have used the Russian playbook to use national emergency to literally steal state assets and enrich themselves. British Oligarchs in the making. Thanks to you Brexit supporters and your blinkers! Never mind. 'We are the fastest growing economy in the G7'. For what that is worth!" I know you are jesting but worth pointing out for the hard of understanding that while it is good to be the fastest growing, the baseline starting point really matters because you need to cover more ground to just get back to where we were! | |||
"... You’ve been had! Johnski and pals have used the Russian playbook to use national emergency to literally steal state assets and enrich themselves. British Oligarchs in the making. Thanks to you Brexit supporters and your blinkers! Never mind. 'We are the fastest growing economy in the G7'. For what that is worth! I know you are jesting but worth pointing out for the hard of understanding that while it is good to be the fastest growing, the baseline starting point really matters because you need to cover more ground to just get back to where we were!" "I know you are jesting" I decided that if that is Boris's only answer to most criticism it will do me fine as well! | |||
"Over 19 million registered to vote but did not vote in the last GE. If you are not going to vote do not register your interest in a vote, if if was shown that over 19 million did not register to vote the system might change and political parties might listen." not registering your right to vote is a vote for the status quo. mass ballot spoiling would cause concern amongst politicians, but with so many lazy non-voters it will never happen. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Very true and to compound the problem the only party likely (very likely at present) to replace them in power also will not change it. Political parties take office not power. " ok office then still the most likely alternative party will not change it whn they get into office | |||
"... You’ve been had! Johnski and pals have used the Russian playbook to use national emergency to literally steal state assets and enrich themselves. British Oligarchs in the making. Thanks to you Brexit supporters and your blinkers! Never mind. 'We are the fastest growing economy in the G7'. For what that is worth!" forecast has been revised downward for the rest of the year. Looks like Stagflation is going to happen. | |||
"Over 19 million registered to vote but did not vote in the last GE. If you are not going to vote do not register your interest in a vote, if if was shown that over 19 million did not register to vote the system might change and political parties might listen. not registering your right to vote is a vote for the status quo. mass ballot spoiling would cause concern amongst politicians, but with so many lazy non-voters it will never happen. "If anything has taught us now, that people who are indifferent are part of the problem, people no more have the luxury of Idly standing by and letting things happen, its takes those who vote to explain, its the price of your freedom you put at stake when you don't vote, as the enemies of Democracy are ready to take over and remake the country in to a place fear, hate and instability. | |||
"Over 19 million registered to vote but did not vote in the last GE. If you are not going to vote do not register your interest in a vote, if if was shown that over 19 million did not register to vote the system might change and political parties might listen. not registering your right to vote is a vote for the status quo. mass ballot spoiling would cause concern amongst politicians, but with so many lazy non-voters it will never happen.
If anything has taught us now, that people who are indifferent are part of the problem, people no more have the luxury of Idly standing by and letting things happen, its takes those who vote to explain, its the price of your freedom you put at stake when you don't vote, as the enemies of Democracy are ready to take over and remake the country in to a place fear, hate and instability."Politics is all about hatred and fear, the amount of hatred for individual politicians is amazing and the fear of what might happen if the others get in. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. " Do you think Chelsea supporters shouting support for Roman Abramovich should be on the list..? | |||
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"Over 19 million registered to vote but did not vote in the last GE. If you are not going to vote do not register your interest in a vote, if if was shown that over 19 million did not register to vote the system might change and political parties might listen. not registering your right to vote is a vote for the status quo. mass ballot spoiling would cause concern amongst politicians, but with so many lazy non-voters it will never happen.
If anything has taught us now, that people who are indifferent are part of the problem, people no more have the luxury of Idly standing by and letting things happen, its takes those who vote to explain, its the price of your freedom you put at stake when you don't vote, as the enemies of Democracy are ready to take over and remake the country in to a place fear, hate and instability.
Politics is all about hatred and fear, the amount of hatred for individual politicians is amazing and the fear of what might happen if the others get in."Tell you what I noticed, division, sadly different communities up and down the country share the same problems, and what certain parties do is stoke that division, and when in power, they put their agenda first which strips the public purse of valuable money which would fix these communities problem, and gives them to their friends. Then they use the same trick at elections, people gotta get smart, those types of parties think they have a natural right to rule, which displays the sheer arrogance of those people. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well." Well, even when it was tried, under the coalition, the public rejected it for a UK GE. So, the people that voted to keep FPTP don't deserve to live in a representative democracy. The trouble is, they've trapped the rest of us, who do want to, in a fucked up system with them. A democratic vote which determined that we don't really get to live in a democracy - and the ruling elite get to fuck the rest of us over on less than 50% of the popular vote. 100% for irony. 0% for common sense. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Well, even when it was tried, under the coalition, the public rejected it for a UK GE. So, the people that voted to keep FPTP don't deserve to live in a representative democracy. The trouble is, they've trapped the rest of us, who do want to, in a fucked up system with them. A democratic vote which determined that we don't really get to live in a democracy - and the ruling elite get to fuck the rest of us over on less than 50% of the popular vote. 100% for irony. 0% for common sense." It wasn't PR, it was the Alternative Vote Method, which is like the halfway house, not full blown PR. So it wouldn't have made anyone happy, plus nobody knew how it worked. The Case for PR is something, but in the recent history PR hasn't worked as well as it should have and coalition governments take weeks to form, if one group disagrees and leaves then coalition then it could lead to political instability, which means the minority parties holds all the cards if votes are evenly split.Just like the Current SNP/Green Alliance, it has less people supporting them, yet they get to put forward their agenda and they haven't done much. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!"hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do, | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Well, even when it was tried, under the coalition, the public rejected it for a UK GE. So, the people that voted to keep FPTP don't deserve to live in a representative democracy. The trouble is, they've trapped the rest of us, who do want to, in a fucked up system with them. A democratic vote which determined that we don't really get to live in a democracy - and the ruling elite get to fuck the rest of us over on less than 50% of the popular vote. 100% for irony. 0% for common sense. It wasn't PR, it was the Alternative Vote Method, which is like the halfway house, not full blown PR. So it wouldn't have made anyone happy, plus nobody knew how it worked. The Case for PR is something, but in the recent history PR hasn't worked as well as it should have and coalition governments take weeks to form, if one group disagrees and leaves then coalition then it could lead to political instability, which means the minority parties holds all the cards if votes are evenly split.Just like the Current SNP/Green Alliance, it has less people supporting them, yet they get to put forward their agenda and they haven't done much. " The minority party doesn’t get to set the agenda. They can put the brakes on an extreme agenda but if a policy is a good one then other parties will vote for it so the minority party holding all the cards is not true. They don’t get to draw up policy only support or reject it. Did the Liberals get their free university education whilst in power with the Tories? They couldn’t write policy if the larger party didn’t support it as it’s extinguished before it sees the light of day. Ultimately it leads to a fairer government for all because they have to consider all. If it takes a couple of weeks to form so what? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! " Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right " Ok...whatever, sounds like another Putin sympathiser here. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,"Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. | |||
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"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right " So what’s your take on Putin and his stance on LGBTQ+? Seems to me you don’t have to be a lefty to be an enemy of the state in Putins world  | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. "lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Ok...whatever, sounds like another Putin sympathiser here. " no
Criticising one thing doesnt mean you agree with the other
Understanding the more nuanced situation doesnt detract from how horrible Putins actions are.
Just humorous that your post is pretty much exactly the same as certain people on the right calling the RNLI traitors a few months ago, im sure i could find another example if i wanted to
Just google T-72 Soviet Flag ukraine and take a look at the well documented links that certain militia groups in Ukraine have to the Far-Right
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"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx"I don't always agree with what you post. But this is bang on. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right " Genuinely curious here... do you think there is ever justification for a military invasion of another country? If so, what are the acceptable parameters that would permit that? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right So what’s your take on Putin and his stance on LGBTQ+? Seems to me you don’t have to be a lefty to be an enemy of the state in Putins world "Well im not a fan obviously Im sure its not very nice to be a member of that group in ukraine either You are talking about a group/culture that dont have our western "liberal" views in the first place Wikipedia on LGBTQ in ukraine Lesbian, gay, bisexuals, and transgender (LGBT) persons in Ukraine may face legal challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Noncommercial, same-sex sexual activity between consenting adults in private is legal in Ukraine, but prevailing social attitudes are often described as being intolerant of LGBT people and households headed by same-sex couples are not eligible for any of the same legal protections available to opposite-sex couples. | |||
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"Seems McCarthyism is alive and well. I better quickly say Fuck Putin I hope someone fires a Hellfire middle up his arse before I get labelled a traitor as well. Fuck Putin. But let’s chill a little before we label people all sorts of names because they don’t blithely agree with everything or offer a different take or even add some facts that some of the militias in Ukraine are extremely right wing. " Hellfire Missile | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Genuinely curious here... do you think there is ever justification for a military invasion of another country? If so, what are the acceptable parameters that would permit that?" Ofcourse there are reasons why War maybe inevitable. When it comes down to it politics can only ever be enforced in the end by violence. I dont believe Putin had the right to invade Ukraine. One thing Ukraine should of done though is disbanded the far right battalions in the east, instead of being funded by the goverment. That would of removed Putins ability to make the claims about Neo-Nazis committing warcrimes. Which there are reports of. And these are not Russian reports, there are alot of articles from reputable sources out there about it. Having a Tank flying a Soviet flag as it crosses the border isnt a good look either I dont think i could say what would be a justification for a military invasion tbh. I would think every situation where that maybe an option would be unique, so there wouldnt be a tick box needed for war overall. For this situation, If Russia start using Nuclear or Chemical weapons in Ukraine i would accept NATO involvement i think. I dont think at the moment a No Fly Zone is a particularly smart idea though | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Genuinely curious here... do you think there is ever justification for a military invasion of another country? If so, what are the acceptable parameters that would permit that? Ofcourse there are reasons why War maybe inevitable. When it comes down to it politics can only ever be enforced in the end by violence. I dont believe Putin had the right to invade Ukraine. One thing Ukraine should of done though is disbanded the far right battalions in the east, instead of being funded by the goverment. That would of removed Putins ability to make the claims about Neo-Nazis committing warcrimes. Which there are reports of. And these are not Russian reports, there are alot of articles from reputable sources out there about it. Having a Tank flying a Soviet flag as it crosses the border isnt a good look either I dont think i could say what would be a justification for a military invasion tbh. I would think every situation where that maybe an option would be unique, so there wouldnt be a tick box needed for war overall. For this situation, If Russia start using Nuclear or Chemical weapons in Ukraine i would accept NATO involvement i think. I dont think at the moment a No Fly Zone is a particularly smart idea though " I guess I was more trying to understand if you thought Russia/Putin had any justification to invade (and not liking your neighbours politics isn’t enough). I agree re no fly zone - that would quickly escalate! | |||
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"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx"I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there. Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Ok...whatever, sounds like another Putin sympathiser here. no
Criticising one thing doesnt mean you agree with the other
Understanding the more nuanced situation doesnt detract from how horrible Putins actions are.
Just humorous that your post is pretty much exactly the same as certain people on the right calling the RNLI traitors a few months ago, im sure i could find another example if i wanted to
Just google T-72 Soviet Flag ukraine and take a look at the well documented links that certain militia groups in Ukraine have to the Far-Right
"I am not going to get into that right wing trivialist psychodrama. but no way is that even a good comparison, actually a pretty poor one, of the current situation which is happening with the list of Putin sympathisers above. From the argument you are giving, you have tried to provide Justification for Putin's Invasion of Ukraine, which means either you are Naive or Sympathetic to Putins ambitions, we all know that many in the far right see Putin as some kind of saviour, and this view is shared by many Far right supporters home and abroad. But I guess detracting from the Rights murky dealings with Putin, to change the narrative of their own culpability in this situation is just plain insidious. | |||
"You could laugh if this wasn’t actually so serious in terms of security risk but it does sum up nicely the terms of the relationship...Lord Lebedev of Richmond and Siberia. The son of a KGB agent who is suspected of being a security risk by British intelligence and is the organiser of secret “parties” to UK society and was raised to a Lord by Boris Johnson... Named his dog "Boris"." | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. "oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians. | |||
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"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. " What’s good about you? Notice they lefties manage to destroy everything??? | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. What’s good about you? Notice they lefties manage to destroy everything???" These are generally considered right wing, not "lefties". And why should it matter anyway? | |||
"You could laugh if this wasn’t actually so serious in terms of security risk but it does sum up nicely the terms of the relationship...Lord Lebedev of Richmond and Siberia. The son of a KGB agent who is suspected of being a security risk by British intelligence and is the organiser of secret “parties” to UK society and was raised to a Lord by Boris Johnson... Named his dog "Boris"." Now that is amusing!!! Do you think Boris shits in his backyard too?  | |||
"You could laugh if this wasn’t actually so serious in terms of security risk but it does sum up nicely the terms of the relationship...Lord Lebedev of Richmond and Siberia. The son of a KGB agent who is suspected of being a security risk by British intelligence and is the organiser of secret “parties” to UK society and was raised to a Lord by Boris Johnson... Named his dog "Boris". Now that is amusing!!! Do you think Boris shits in his backyard too? "Well obviously that bit is the other way around. The Russians have been shitting all over No10 for years now. Kompromat! | |||
"You could laugh if this wasn’t actually so serious in terms of security risk but it does sum up nicely the terms of the relationship...Lord Lebedev of Richmond and Siberia. The son of a KGB agent who is suspected of being a security risk by British intelligence and is the organiser of secret “parties” to UK society and was raised to a Lord by Boris Johnson... Named his dog "Boris". Now that is amusing!!! Do you think Boris shits in his backyard too?
Well obviously that bit is the other way around. The Russians have been shitting all over No10 for years now. Kompromat!"I was thinking more of Boris the dog’s antics but then as our esteemed leader has past form for shitting on everything he touches I guess one could see why they are mutually attracted to each other! | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians. "This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Ok...whatever, sounds like another Putin sympathiser here. no
Criticising one thing doesnt mean you agree with the other
Understanding the more nuanced situation doesnt detract from how horrible Putins actions are.
Just humorous that your post is pretty much exactly the same as certain people on the right calling the RNLI traitors a few months ago, im sure i could find another example if i wanted to
Just google T-72 Soviet Flag ukraine and take a look at the well documented links that certain militia groups in Ukraine have to the Far-Right
I am not going to get into that right wing trivialist psychodrama. but no way is that even a good comparison, actually a pretty poor one, of the current situation which is happening with the list of Putin sympathisers above.
From the argument you are giving, you have tried to provide Justification for Putin's Invasion of Ukraine, which means either you are Naive or Sympathetic to Putins ambitions, we all know that many in the far right see Putin as some kind of saviour, and this view is shared by many Far right supporters home and abroad. But I guess detracting from the Rights murky dealings with Putin, to change the narrative of their own culpability in this situation is just plain insidious.
"Understanding more than just "Russia bad" is not giving justification If you think it is your mind is warped | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve. "You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Ok...whatever, sounds like another Putin sympathiser here. no
Criticising one thing doesnt mean you agree with the other
Understanding the more nuanced situation doesnt detract from how horrible Putins actions are.
Just humorous that your post is pretty much exactly the same as certain people on the right calling the RNLI traitors a few months ago, im sure i could find another example if i wanted to
Just google T-72 Soviet Flag ukraine and take a look at the well documented links that certain militia groups in Ukraine have to the Far-Right
I am not going to get into that right wing trivialist psychodrama. but no way is that even a good comparison, actually a pretty poor one, of the current situation which is happening with the list of Putin sympathisers above.
From the argument you are giving, you have tried to provide Justification for Putin's Invasion of Ukraine, which means either you are Naive or Sympathetic to Putins ambitions, we all know that many in the far right see Putin as some kind of saviour, and this view is shared by many Far right supporters home and abroad. But I guess detracting from the Rights murky dealings with Putin, to change the narrative of their own culpability in this situation is just plain insidious.
Understanding more than just "Russia bad" is not giving justification
If you think it is your mind is warped "Why do you have such a love for Putin? Like some super fan of his actions and motives? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure."considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Ok...whatever, sounds like another Putin sympathiser here. no
Criticising one thing doesnt mean you agree with the other
Understanding the more nuanced situation doesnt detract from how horrible Putins actions are.
Just humorous that your post is pretty much exactly the same as certain people on the right calling the RNLI traitors a few months ago, im sure i could find another example if i wanted to
Just google T-72 Soviet Flag ukraine and take a look at the well documented links that certain militia groups in Ukraine have to the Far-Right
I am not going to get into that right wing trivialist psychodrama. but no way is that even a good comparison, actually a pretty poor one, of the current situation which is happening with the list of Putin sympathisers above.
From the argument you are giving, you have tried to provide Justification for Putin's Invasion of Ukraine, which means either you are Naive or Sympathetic to Putins ambitions, we all know that many in the far right see Putin as some kind of saviour, and this view is shared by many Far right supporters home and abroad. But I guess detracting from the Rights murky dealings with Putin, to change the narrative of their own culpability in this situation is just plain insidious.
Understanding more than just "Russia bad" is not giving justification
If you think it is your mind is warped
Why do you have such a love for Putin? Like some super fan of his actions and motives?"LOL You must be trolling at this point | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! Typical lefty Amusing you now doing exactly what you would of beratted others for a couple years ago during brexit Ohhh btw The only flag i have seen flying on the russians is a soviet flag, not any right wing ones, thats the Ukrainian militias that are on the far right Ok...whatever, sounds like another Putin sympathiser here. no
Criticising one thing doesnt mean you agree with the other
Understanding the more nuanced situation doesnt detract from how horrible Putins actions are.
Just humorous that your post is pretty much exactly the same as certain people on the right calling the RNLI traitors a few months ago, im sure i could find another example if i wanted to
Just google T-72 Soviet Flag ukraine and take a look at the well documented links that certain militia groups in Ukraine have to the Far-Right
I am not going to get into that right wing trivialist psychodrama. but no way is that even a good comparison, actually a pretty poor one, of the current situation which is happening with the list of Putin sympathisers above.
From the argument you are giving, you have tried to provide Justification for Putin's Invasion of Ukraine, which means either you are Naive or Sympathetic to Putins ambitions, we all know that many in the far right see Putin as some kind of saviour, and this view is shared by many Far right supporters home and abroad. But I guess detracting from the Rights murky dealings with Putin, to change the narrative of their own culpability in this situation is just plain insidious.
Understanding more than just "Russia bad" is not giving justification
If you think it is your mind is warped
Why do you have such a love for Putin? Like some super fan of his actions and motives?
LOL
You must be trolling at this point"Which doesn’t answer the question, do you sympathise with Putin and/or do you like autocrats in general? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?"Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner. | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. A very black and white view of the world. If only life, especially politics was so simple. Don't vote for utter cunts is pretty black and white. Sometimes politics can be simple. That said, if only utter cunts are available, you and your democracy are in real trouble. The utter cunts have the money and media behind them, and keep getting voted in. Indeed - that's a factor. However, the main reason is because the voters won't give up an unrepresentative voting system, which guarantee that most of them won't get what they voted for. In Scotland, we have a PR parliament and our Tories aren't out of control. The whole UK could be the same - if it had another go at political reform. Sure, but the party in power is extremely unlikely to change the system that serves them so well. Well, even when it was tried, under the coalition, the public rejected it for a UK GE. So, the people that voted to keep FPTP don't deserve to live in a representative democracy. The trouble is, they've trapped the rest of us, who do want to, in a fucked up system with them. A democratic vote which determined that we don't really get to live in a democracy - and the ruling elite get to fuck the rest of us over on less than 50% of the popular vote. 100% for irony. 0% for common sense. It wasn't PR, it was the Alternative Vote Method, which is like the halfway house, not full blown PR. So it wouldn't have made anyone happy, plus nobody knew how it worked. The Case for PR is something, but in the recent history PR hasn't worked as well as it should have and coalition governments take weeks to form, if one group disagrees and leaves then coalition then it could lead to political instability, which means the minority parties holds all the cards if votes are evenly split.Just like the Current SNP/Green Alliance, it has less people supporting them, yet they get to put forward their agenda and they haven't done much. " It's nothing like the SNP/Scottish Greens arrangement. For a start everyone who voted for those parties, in our last Holyrood election, voted for parties who favour independence for Scotland; which is a majority of voters (although a small one). Also, the Scottish Greens have some ministerial responsibility - but they do not set policy; they either agree with it, or they leave the arrangement. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner."No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg."So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?"Might I suggest anyone of a certain political allegiance??? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?"I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries. If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking. | |||
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"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking."You really are in danger of becoming the thing you claim to despise. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a traitor. Sounds like Putin, Stalin, Xi Jinping | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous." Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list?" That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. " Hence my question to the poster as the put ANYONE that voted for brexit. It seemed odd that someone would call any brexit voter a traitor. Perhaps I am reading it incorrectly so asked the question for clarity | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. " . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. Hence my question to the poster as the put ANYONE that voted for brexit. It seemed odd that someone would call any brexit voter a traitor. Perhaps I am reading it incorrectly so asked the question for clarity"
I'm with you. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real " Re: your view on Brexit specifically, I suspect the farming industry, fishing industry and most economic forecasters would disagree. The economic hit has been masked by the Pandemic but it will be greater and longer lasting. Of course we are still trading. Trade doesn’t stop. It is the level of trade, tariffs and impact on consumer demand for your products. Almost all the highly trumpeted trade deals were actually just roll over deals so nothing added. We are still waiting for those significant deals that will offset the losses AND not disadvantage domestic industries and standards. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
You really are in danger of becoming the thing you claim to despise. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a traitor.
Sounds like Putin, Stalin, Xi Jinping "What? By using our shared democratic principals to bring criminals to justice? So you’re saying racists and supremacists are not criminals? and we should allow them to run free? Should we allow them to oppress and subjugate others, and let them spread their cancerous doctrines, like they have for so many years? It is sad to see many people who are not pro-democracy, pro-voting, pro-freedom. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real " How many Brits have shares? Actually how many can afford shares? Especially the high value ones, not many. It’s time to realise that those who sold the promise of brexit were influenced by groups who wanted the UK to be weak and defenceless. Those who peddled the idea to the electorate wanted a legal way of ensuring that they could introduce legislation which concentrated power and influence in the select few. Brexit may have been about freedom for many, but it’s was a smokescreen for those people who wanted nothing more than power. Just like the Iraq war, we were lied to, what makes brexit any different? | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
You really are in danger of becoming the thing you claim to despise. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a traitor.
Sounds like Putin, Stalin, Xi Jinping
What? By using our shared democratic principals to bring criminals to justice?
So you’re saying racists and supremacists are not criminals? and we should allow them to run free? Should we allow them to oppress and subjugate others, and let them spread their cancerous doctrines, like they have for so many years?
It is sad to see many people who are not pro-democracy, pro-voting, pro-freedom."Being a racist is not a crime. Am mixed race so am not going to stand up for racists. Hate speech is a crime but it has to meet a threshold. You can't just charge someone without solid proof. Tell me what oppression and subjugation the ones you mentioned would be charged with. If people believed what they said the people are equally guilty. In a democracy you can't just shut people up because you don't like their point of view. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real How many Brits have shares? Actually how many can afford shares? Especially the high value ones, not many. It’s time to realise that those who sold the promise of brexit were influenced by groups who wanted the UK to be weak and defenceless. Those who peddled the idea to the electorate wanted a legal way of ensuring that they could introduce legislation which concentrated power and influence in the select few. Brexit may have been about freedom for many, but it’s was a smokescreen for those people who wanted nothing more than power. Just like the Iraq war, we were lied to, what makes brexit any different?" Not sure of the recent figures but a report from 2020 shows 33% of people in the UK have shares in their own right. If you include everyone with a pension then the figure will be much higher. 67% say they are likely to purchase shares in the near future. One of the reasons given is very low interest rates on savings | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list?" Yes. If you vote for a course of action that you have been told will weaken the nation and cause it harm then you are a traitor. The fact that you chose to ignore experts and put your belief in shysters, liars and conmen because what they said sounded better - is not an excuse. In law, ignorance does not mitigate the act. Maybe you have another way of describing people who commit to a course of action that is likely to damage their country? | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. Hence my question to the poster as the put ANYONE that voted for brexit. It seemed odd that someone would call any brexit voter a traitor. Perhaps I am reading it incorrectly so asked the question for clarity
I'm with you."Looks like the initial interpretation was accurate after all. It's confirmed that anyone that voted brexit is guilty of treason. Looks like we will have to reopen the tower of London and see if there are any of the old guillotine on ebay | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
You really are in danger of becoming the thing you claim to despise. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a traitor.
Sounds like Putin, Stalin, Xi Jinping
What? By using our shared democratic principals to bring criminals to justice?
So you’re saying racists and supremacists are not criminals? and we should allow them to run free? Should we allow them to oppress and subjugate others, and let them spread their cancerous doctrines, like they have for so many years?
It is sad to see many people who are not pro-democracy, pro-voting, pro-freedom.
Being a racist is not a crime. Am mixed race so am not going to stand up for racists. Hate speech is a crime but it has to meet a threshold. You can't just charge someone without solid proof.
Tell me what oppression and subjugation the ones you mentioned would be charged with. If people believed what they said the people are equally guilty.
In a democracy you can't just shut people up because you don't like their point of view. "Would strongly suggest and encourage you conduct some form of independent research to see what is going on, considering the questions you are asking it seems there is a lack of knowledge on these individuals and their actions. But people being less inclined to accept reality these days, it is understandable that blissful ignorance is such a large issue these days. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real How many Brits have shares? Actually how many can afford shares? Especially the high value ones, not many. It’s time to realise that those who sold the promise of brexit were influenced by groups who wanted the UK to be weak and defenceless. Those who peddled the idea to the electorate wanted a legal way of ensuring that they could introduce legislation which concentrated power and influence in the select few. Brexit may have been about freedom for many, but it’s was a smokescreen for those people who wanted nothing more than power. Just like the Iraq war, we were lied to, what makes brexit any different? Not sure of the recent figures but a report from 2020 shows 33% of people in the UK have shares in their own right. If you include everyone with a pension then the figure will be much higher. 67% say they are likely to purchase shares in the near future. One of the reasons given is very low interest rates on savings" 67% you say? they maybe looking to purchase shares? Emphasis on Maybe. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real How many Brits have shares? Actually how many can afford shares? Especially the high value ones, not many. It’s time to realise that those who sold the promise of brexit were influenced by groups who wanted the UK to be weak and defenceless. Those who peddled the idea to the electorate wanted a legal way of ensuring that they could introduce legislation which concentrated power and influence in the select few. Brexit may have been about freedom for many, but it’s was a smokescreen for those people who wanted nothing more than power. Just like the Iraq war, we were lied to, what makes brexit any different? Not sure of the recent figures but a report from 2020 shows 33% of people in the UK have shares in their own right. If you include everyone with a pension then the figure will be much higher. 67% say they are likely to purchase shares in the near future. One of the reasons given is very low interest rates on savings 67% you say? they maybe looking to purchase shares? Emphasis on Maybe. " Just to be clear, I am just giving the figures as they have been reported. 33% already have them and 67% say they are Likely to purchase them. I did not use the word maybe as wanted to use their actual words. Of course as said anyone with a pension has a vested interest. I don't know if that's higher, lower or about the same as what people imagine regarding shares. Personally apart from my pension, the only shares I have are one given tome when building societies changed ages ago. Abbey national to santandar type of thing | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real How many Brits have shares? Actually how many can afford shares? Especially the high value ones, not many. It’s time to realise that those who sold the promise of brexit were influenced by groups who wanted the UK to be weak and defenceless. Those who peddled the idea to the electorate wanted a legal way of ensuring that they could introduce legislation which concentrated power and influence in the select few. Brexit may have been about freedom for many, but it’s was a smokescreen for those people who wanted nothing more than power. Just like the Iraq war, we were lied to, what makes brexit any different? Not sure of the recent figures but a report from 2020 shows 33% of people in the UK have shares in their own right. If you include everyone with a pension then the figure will be much higher. 67% say they are likely to purchase shares in the near future. One of the reasons given is very low interest rates on savings 67% you say? they maybe looking to purchase shares? Emphasis on Maybe. Just to be clear, I am just giving the figures as they have been reported. 33% already have them and 67% say they are Likely to purchase them. I did not use the word maybe as wanted to use their actual words. Of course as said anyone with a pension has a vested interest. I don't know if that's higher, lower or about the same as what people imagine regarding shares. Personally apart from my pension, the only shares I have are one given tome when building societies changed ages ago. Abbey national to santandar type of thing" Given not actually sought then. What is the problem I see is that normal people have no actual easy way to reap the benefits of shares, a Stock market which is high doesn’t necessarily mean it is benefitting everyone. As for pensions, they are practically valueless if you have to work to an age where the probability of you dying before you reach that age is higher. All I am saying is that these so called benefits only affect a small percentage of citizens. But the architects of Brexit lied, and they were given the money to run their campaigns came from the Kremlin. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real How many Brits have shares? Actually how many can afford shares? Especially the high value ones, not many. It’s time to realise that those who sold the promise of brexit were influenced by groups who wanted the UK to be weak and defenceless. Those who peddled the idea to the electorate wanted a legal way of ensuring that they could introduce legislation which concentrated power and influence in the select few. Brexit may have been about freedom for many, but it’s was a smokescreen for those people who wanted nothing more than power. Just like the Iraq war, we were lied to, what makes brexit any different? Not sure of the recent figures but a report from 2020 shows 33% of people in the UK have shares in their own right. If you include everyone with a pension then the figure will be much higher. 67% say they are likely to purchase shares in the near future. One of the reasons given is very low interest rates on savings 67% you say? they maybe looking to purchase shares? Emphasis on Maybe. Just to be clear, I am just giving the figures as they have been reported. 33% already have them and 67% say they are Likely to purchase them. I did not use the word maybe as wanted to use their actual words. Of course as said anyone with a pension has a vested interest. I don't know if that's higher, lower or about the same as what people imagine regarding shares. Personally apart from my pension, the only shares I have are one given tome when building societies changed ages ago. Abbey national to santandar type of thing Given not actually sought then. What is the problem I see is that normal people have no actual easy way to reap the benefits of shares, a Stock market which is high doesn’t necessarily mean it is benefitting everyone. As for pensions, they are practically valueless if you have to work to an age where the probability of you dying before you reach that age is higher. All I am saying is that these so called benefits only affect a small percentage of citizens. But the architects of Brexit lied, and they were given the money to run their campaigns came from the Kremlin." I was answering your question on your post that says: how many Brits have shares? So I am not sure why when I answer and explain that I'm just giving the figures you say 'given but not sought'. Reaping the benefits of them, excluding pensions, is not what I commented on. I was purely answering the specific question asked. I do hope I have explained adequately and it's clear I don't come here to argue about brexit, shares or anything else. Only to occasionally post about things I have discovered when they have been brought up. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real How many Brits have shares? Actually how many can afford shares? Especially the high value ones, not many. It’s time to realise that those who sold the promise of brexit were influenced by groups who wanted the UK to be weak and defenceless. Those who peddled the idea to the electorate wanted a legal way of ensuring that they could introduce legislation which concentrated power and influence in the select few. Brexit may have been about freedom for many, but it’s was a smokescreen for those people who wanted nothing more than power. Just like the Iraq war, we were lied to, what makes brexit any different? Not sure of the recent figures but a report from 2020 shows 33% of people in the UK have shares in their own right. If you include everyone with a pension then the figure will be much higher. 67% say they are likely to purchase shares in the near future. One of the reasons given is very low interest rates on savings 67% you say? they maybe looking to purchase shares? Emphasis on Maybe. Just to be clear, I am just giving the figures as they have been reported. 33% already have them and 67% say they are Likely to purchase them. I did not use the word maybe as wanted to use their actual words. Of course as said anyone with a pension has a vested interest. I don't know if that's higher, lower or about the same as what people imagine regarding shares. Personally apart from my pension, the only shares I have are one given tome when building societies changed ages ago. Abbey national to santandar type of thing Given not actually sought then. What is the problem I see is that normal people have no actual easy way to reap the benefits of shares, a Stock market which is high doesn’t necessarily mean it is benefitting everyone. As for pensions, they are practically valueless if you have to work to an age where the probability of you dying before you reach that age is higher. All I am saying is that these so called benefits only affect a small percentage of citizens. But the architects of Brexit lied, and they were given the money to run their campaigns came from the Kremlin." . Share prices will have an impact on a very significant section of the population. With auto enrolment all employees will now be members of a pension scheme and a substantial proportion of the fund will be invested in stocks and shares. Pension schemes will rely on on going capital growth and the dividends paid will either be paid back into the fund or collected by pensioners as pensions . Most people will live at least twenty years after retirement and consequently performance of a pension scheme is important if you wish to enjoy a comfortable old age. Even if you are not interested in the performance of your pension , a strongly performing stock market is an indication of businness confidence which in turn means that workers jobs are more secure. Any employee who is a member of their works share save scheme will want their company to perform well and have a rising share price. Tesco employees who are members of their scheme are examples of ordinary working people benefitting from a company performing well . The merchants of doom and gloom are probably very disappointed that the economy did not collapse after the announcement of the referendum result None of their predictions of job losses or damage to the economy became reality. Instead we have a strong job market , a strongly performing economy and company dividend payments at an all time high. Apart from the recent drop due to the energy crisis and the situation in Ukraine the stock market was close to an all time high. Another benefit of using the stock market as an indicator of financial performance is that you can drill through all the data relating to the constituent companies and quickly establish the performance of each individual entity. The so called experts who predicted that leaving the EU would damage the economy have proved to be wrong time and time again. If you are using models to predict the future you can probably adjust the inputs or assumptions made to get any result you want. At least share performance and dividend payments are something that you can easily verify. The Kremlin would have no interest in Brexit , what possible impact could it have on Russia . | |||
" The Kremlin would have no interest in Brexit , what possible impact could it have on Russia . " This is a joke right Pat?? Are you seriously saying that Putin and his cronies would have no interest in weakening both the U.K. and the EU by supporting a move to get the U.K. out of the EU and divide (and thereby distract) the U.K. in the process? Distracting and dividing your enemy (true or perceived) is just about the oldest military tactic in the playbook. It works well on any level that you apply it - on the battlefield, or in the greater political theatre. Brexiters just don’t want to believe that they were duped into voting for a cause that was promoted by people who absolutely do not have our best interests at heart. | |||
" The Kremlin would have no interest in Brexit , what possible impact could it have on Russia . This is a joke right Pat?? Are you seriously saying that Putin and his cronies would have no interest in weakening both the U.K. and the EU by supporting a move to get the U.K. out of the EU and divide (and thereby distract) the U.K. in the process? Distracting and dividing your enemy (true or perceived) is just about the oldest military tactic in the playbook. It works well on any level that you apply it - on the battlefield, or in the greater political theatre. Brexiters just don’t want to believe that they were duped into voting for a cause that was promoted by people who absolutely do not have our best interests at heart." It beggars belief really. The evidence is mounting (economic impact, lies about what was and was not possible as member of EU, “project fear becoming “project reality”, fantasy trade deals, reduction in standards, reduction in human and workers rights, corruption, Russian intereference) yet still they cling to the Brexit dream and cannot admit they made a mistake. | |||
" The Kremlin would have no interest in Brexit , what possible impact could it have on Russia . This is a joke right Pat?? Are you seriously saying that Putin and his cronies would have no interest in weakening both the U.K. and the EU by supporting a move to get the U.K. out of the EU and divide (and thereby distract) the U.K. in the process? Distracting and dividing your enemy (true or perceived) is just about the oldest military tactic in the playbook. It works well on any level that you apply it - on the battlefield, or in the greater political theatre. Brexiters just don’t want to believe that they were duped into voting for a cause that was promoted by people who absolutely do not have our best interests at heart. It beggars belief really. The evidence is mounting (economic impact, lies about what was and was not possible as member of EU, “project fear becoming “project reality”, fantasy trade deals, reduction in standards, reduction in human and workers rights, corruption, Russian intereference) yet still they cling to the Brexit dream and cannot admit they made a mistake." . The data which I have looked at would tend to indicate otherwise. Maybe those voting exercised their judgement wisely and have sufficient life experience to make a balanced decision . If the arguments of remain were so strong ( and considering the fact that some remain voters claim to be intellectually superior) why were they unable to convince the population to vote remain. Anyone voting knew the consequences and voted accordingly. The advantages and disadvantages of EU membership were discusses time and time again. Most companies review and renegotiate supplier agreements on a regular basis . Leaving the EU was simply a change in the terms under which we trade with other countries. We have not left Europe only the EU. After 40 years of membership it was appropriate to review our trading terms. | |||
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" The Kremlin would have no interest in Brexit , what possible impact could it have on Russia . This is a joke right Pat?? Are you seriously saying that Putin and his cronies would have no interest in weakening both the U.K. and the EU by supporting a move to get the U.K. out of the EU and divide (and thereby distract) the U.K. in the process? Distracting and dividing your enemy (true or perceived) is just about the oldest military tactic in the playbook. It works well on any level that you apply it - on the battlefield, or in the greater political theatre. Brexiters just don’t want to believe that they were duped into voting for a cause that was promoted by people who absolutely do not have our best interests at heart. It beggars belief really. The evidence is mounting (economic impact, lies about what was and was not possible as member of EU, “project fear becoming “project reality”, fantasy trade deals, reduction in standards, reduction in human and workers rights, corruption, Russian intereference) yet still they cling to the Brexit dream and cannot admit they made a mistake.. The data which I have looked at would tend to indicate otherwise. Maybe those voting exercised their judgement wisely and have sufficient life experience to make a balanced decision . If the arguments of remain were so strong ( and considering the fact that some remain voters claim to be intellectually superior) why were they unable to convince the population to vote remain. Anyone voting knew the consequences and voted accordingly. The advantages and disadvantages of EU membership were discusses time and time again. Most companies review and renegotiate supplier agreements on a regular basis . Leaving the EU was simply a change in the terms under which we trade with other countries. We have not left Europe only the EU. After 40 years of membership it was appropriate to review our trading terms. " The data that you look at Pat is most unlikely to be neutral. You forget that you have told us all previously in one, two or more of your previous profile names what newspapers you read and where you get your information from. Why not examine the various OBR statements and press releases? They are after all produced by this Government and so you should feel able to read them. The reason that Brexit has damaged the economy is because Brexit was never about trade and a so called global Britain. It was about releasing the buried xenophobia of millions of Brits and metaphorically sticking it to foreigners. If this were not the case, why do Priti Patel and Boris Johnson still pursue a policy of making the U.K. appear to be reprehensibly intolerant of enabling persecuted people to arrive in this country? They are doing this because they know that their core voters get warm and fuzzy inside at the thought of displaced foreigners being made to jump through impossible hoops just to try to get here. Fucking over small and medium sized businesses, farmers and fishermen was a price worth paying to keep Johnny Foreigner at arms length. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking."So most of these people Which have at worst just said things you may not like/agree with are now traitors You are sayingthis is the same post as talking about democractic countries Youre all over the place and just cant be taken seriously | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
So most of these people
Which have at worst just said things you may not like/agree with are now traitors
You are sayingthis is the same post as talking about democractic countries
Youre all over the place and just cant be taken seriously
"On the contrary, our new reality demands a muscular democracy, not one which is stifled by being afraid to call out acts of sedition, to challenge extremist thought and bring their constant hypocrisy to the foreground. I do feel that those in the list, want to lay low, and hide until all this is all over. They want to disassociate themselves with their strong relationship with Putin and his friends, but problem is there is so much evidence of their dealings out there, they will become pariahs sooner or later. They’ve had their so called high points, the only way is down into obscurity for them now. But again I would say you have limited knowledge on their misdemeanours, so strongly suggest you do further research to expand your understanding. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
So most of these people
Which have at worst just said things you may not like/agree with are now traitors
You are sayingthis is the same post as talking about democractic countries
Youre all over the place and just cant be taken seriously
On the contrary, our new reality demands a muscular democracy, not one which is stifled by being afraid to call out acts of sedition, to challenge extremist thought and bring their constant hypocrisy to the foreground.
I do feel that those in the list, want to lay low, and hide until all this is all over. They want to disassociate themselves with their strong relationship with Putin and his friends, but problem is there is so much evidence of their dealings out there, they will become pariahs sooner or later. They’ve had their so called high points, the only way is down into obscurity for them now.
But again I would say you have limited knowledge on their misdemeanours, so strongly suggest you do further research to expand your understanding.
" you sound like a face book post
"sedition"
"traitors"
"do your own research" | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real " Having traded with Europe for over thirty years I can confirm you have no idea what you are talking about. “ a few tariffs” and “a little extra paperwork” You obviously didn’t read the warnings and possible impacts because if you did and this was your reasoned approach you would have voted remain. I suspect you’re a blue passport voter. Without going into the tens of billions in added costs for U.K. business just take the tax loss for the bank funds being shipped abroad. It was £11B when the exodus was just starting according to EY. Small online exporters from the U.K. grossed more sales than any country in the EU and in fact left them in our wake. Due to costs that trade has been decimated. I wanted to buy a lamp from Italy last week but due to Brexit costs they no longer ship to the U.K. Speak to the farmers or the fishermen and see how that “minor” stuff is impacting. Your only thought was will this effect you much? And you thought I’m alright. Never mind the kids won’t be able to travel freely anymore. No more foreign education unless your rich. Never mind exporters. It will affect you financially but probably in a small way you just won’t understand it I’m sure, but no doubt you’ll blame it on something else. Maybe you only travel on holiday once a year so that won’t bother you either. Although you won’t get as many euros now for your pound. Who will you blame for that? Anyone concerned about economic damage can clearly see it was already here before the energy crisis and war. The fact is Brexit has made us financially weaker to fight the added challenges obviously escapes you. As for share prices. They are at bubble status in many cases so not a safe bet on which to test strength. Teslas share price values the company at $1m per car sold. Think about that. | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
So most of these people
Which have at worst just said things you may not like/agree with are now traitors
You are sayingthis is the same post as talking about democractic countries
Youre all over the place and just cant be taken seriously
On the contrary, our new reality demands a muscular democracy, not one which is stifled by being afraid to call out acts of sedition, to challenge extremist thought and bring their constant hypocrisy to the foreground.
I do feel that those in the list, want to lay low, and hide until all this is all over. They want to disassociate themselves with their strong relationship with Putin and his friends, but problem is there is so much evidence of their dealings out there, they will become pariahs sooner or later. They’ve had their so called high points, the only way is down into obscurity for them now.
But again I would say you have limited knowledge on their misdemeanours, so strongly suggest you do further research to expand your understanding.
you sound like a face book post
"sedition"
"traitors"
"do your own research""Awwww, your ego is bruised, I will stop now, do not want to humiliate you further, unless that is your kink  | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
So most of these people
Which have at worst just said things you may not like/agree with are now traitors
You are sayingthis is the same post as talking about democractic countries
Youre all over the place and just cant be taken seriously
On the contrary, our new reality demands a muscular democracy, not one which is stifled by being afraid to call out acts of sedition, to challenge extremist thought and bring their constant hypocrisy to the foreground.
I do feel that those in the list, want to lay low, and hide until all this is all over. They want to disassociate themselves with their strong relationship with Putin and his friends, but problem is there is so much evidence of their dealings out there, they will become pariahs sooner or later. They’ve had their so called high points, the only way is down into obscurity for them now.
But again I would say you have limited knowledge on their misdemeanours, so strongly suggest you do further research to expand your understanding.
you sound like a face book post
"sedition"
"traitors"
"do your own research"
Awwww, your ego is bruised, I will stop now, do not want to humiliate you further, unless that is your kink "If this was supposed to be some sort of humiliation, I wouldnt quit your day job | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
So most of these people
Which have at worst just said things you may not like/agree with are now traitors
You are sayingthis is the same post as talking about democractic countries
Youre all over the place and just cant be taken seriously
On the contrary, our new reality demands a muscular democracy, not one which is stifled by being afraid to call out acts of sedition, to challenge extremist thought and bring their constant hypocrisy to the foreground.
I do feel that those in the list, want to lay low, and hide until all this is all over. They want to disassociate themselves with their strong relationship with Putin and his friends, but problem is there is so much evidence of their dealings out there, they will become pariahs sooner or later. They’ve had their so called high points, the only way is down into obscurity for them now.
But again I would say you have limited knowledge on their misdemeanours, so strongly suggest you do further research to expand your understanding.
you sound like a face book post
"sedition"
"traitors"
"do your own research"
Awwww, your ego is bruised, I will stop now, do not want to humiliate you further, unless that is your kink
If this was supposed to be some sort of humiliation, I wouldnt quit your day job
" | |||
"Put Sanctions on all Putin sympathisers. Freeze their assets, seize their wealth! your sounding like justin trudolf
Guess we know who’s a collaborator here then!hahaha u think im a putin fan the bloke is a fucking loon just because i dont agree with you doesnot make me a collaborator but seize peoplez wealth just because there not laying all the blame with russia is what trudeu done to people who dared to support something the gov didnt like,im surprises you havent gone to fight the russians if you feel that strongly about it all i meen everyone has been invited to or will you do what most virtue signallers do and moan about it all online,you have a chance to stand up and fight for your beleifs but am guessing you wont do,
Considering the response, you can see there is quite a sympathy bias for the way of thinking espoused by Putin here, I see the usual tropes being bounded around here, which inherently lead to the conclusion there is someone hiding their true allegiance. Which is extremely worrying. lets face it if someone dosent hold the same views as you do there the enemy, ive not seen anyone on here supporting putin,and i certainly dont but you felt the need to call me a collaborator pmsl, you sound like someone from the 1940s,quick question were you as outraged when our own army were blowing up women and children in iraq or was that ok? Feel free to call me whatever you like though you are entertaing if nothing else xxx
I find it quite insulting that you describe our British Army as a bunch violent thugs who were killing people indiscriminately in Iraq, we know the majority of the violence and killings were committed by counter insurgents who were former allies of Saddam. They did their best considering the circumstances which got them there.
Well if Putin wants to raise the spectre of a European war, then we should look at those who question our democratic values and feel justified in promoting autocratic and repressive views. oh so when we dropped 5000lb bombs on someines house oin a built up area you think it nice and tidy just took out the target and not ayone within 500 meters? And the circumstances that got our troops there was a prime minister who lied about the reasons and went in without any bacing from the rest of the world,and you have the cheek to call people collaborators and traitors, the world isnt as black and white as you like to think it is, i think putins a cunt for kiling civillians i also think the uk gov past and present are cunts for killing civillians.
This is a situation where Democracy is being challenged, in times of Conflict there is no grey, either you want democracy to survive or you want it destroyed simple as. Whilst we all agree that all civilian deaths are abhorrent. People need to reflect on their actions which brought us to this place, and those traitors in the list which many people supported, need to meet the Legal Justice they richly deserve.
You are more and more sounding like a Mathew Hopkins figure.
considering how many are in his thrall, how could it not be considered witchcraft?
Really, so like Hopkins you consider yourself judge,juror and executioner.
No of course not, I see what you’re trying, there is a legal system and a framework already in place which should be used. Being a Traitor doesn’t mean you do not get due process. The same thing happened at Nuremberg.
So can you tell me who would be the judge, juror and executioners in this trial...?
I would suspect like Nuremberg it would have been a panel of legal experts, but considering we have the ICC for matters of such nature, but possibly truth and reconciliation hearings could occur, but who knows it for those who try them. The legal options are wide and vast, no show trials though. This isn’t about revenge, this is about justice, the people mentioned in the list need to see the consequences of their actions and they wrought upon the rest of the world, and as such they tried and sentenced by their peers, as mandated in all Democratic countries.
If those concepts are warped, then I question the thought processes of those who expected the answer they were seeking.
So most of these people
Which have at worst just said things you may not like/agree with are now traitors
You are sayingthis is the same post as talking about democractic countries
Youre all over the place and just cant be taken seriously
On the contrary, our new reality demands a muscular democracy, not one which is stifled by being afraid to call out acts of sedition, to challenge extremist thought and bring their constant hypocrisy to the foreground.
I do feel that those in the list, want to lay low, and hide until all this is all over. They want to disassociate themselves with their strong relationship with Putin and his friends, but problem is there is so much evidence of their dealings out there, they will become pariahs sooner or later. They’ve had their so called high points, the only way is down into obscurity for them now.
But again I would say you have limited knowledge on their misdemeanours, so strongly suggest you do further research to expand your understanding.
you sound like a face book post
"sedition"
"traitors"
"do your own research"
Awwww, your ego is bruised, I will stop now, do not want to humiliate you further, unless that is your kink
If this was supposed to be some sort of humiliation, I wouldnt quit your day job
"Aww, how quaint, fwends sticking together, no surprise there. But let’s agree this, you think there is no drama with the people in the list, they are beyond reproach, and they are model humans, who can discern the difference between right and wrong, the rest of us think otherwise. No problems, understood, message received. | |||
" The Kremlin would have no interest in Brexit , what possible impact could it have on Russia . This is a joke right Pat?? Are you seriously saying that Putin and his cronies would have no interest in weakening both the U.K. and the EU by supporting a move to get the U.K. out of the EU and divide (and thereby distract) the U.K. in the process? Distracting and dividing your enemy (true or perceived) is just about the oldest military tactic in the playbook. It works well on any level that you apply it - on the battlefield, or in the greater political theatre. Brexiters just don’t want to believe that they were duped into voting for a cause that was promoted by people who absolutely do not have our best interests at heart. It beggars belief really. The evidence is mounting (economic impact, lies about what was and was not possible as member of EU, “project fear becoming “project reality”, fantasy trade deals, reduction in standards, reduction in human and workers rights, corruption, Russian intereference) yet still they cling to the Brexit dream and cannot admit they made a mistake.. The data which I have looked at would tend to indicate otherwise. Maybe those voting exercised their judgement wisely and have sufficient life experience to make a balanced decision . If the arguments of remain were so strong ( and considering the fact that some remain voters claim to be intellectually superior) why were they unable to convince the population to vote remain. Anyone voting knew the consequences and voted accordingly. The advantages and disadvantages of EU membership were discusses time and time again. Most companies review and renegotiate supplier agreements on a regular basis . Leaving the EU was simply a change in the terms under which we trade with other countries. We have not left Europe only the EU. After 40 years of membership it was appropriate to review our trading terms. The data that you look at Pat is most unlikely to be neutral. You forget that you have told us all previously in one, two or more of your previous profile names what newspapers you read and where you get your information from. Why not examine the various OBR statements and press releases? They are after all produced by this Government and so you should feel able to read them. The reason that Brexit has damaged the economy is because Brexit was never about trade and a so called global Britain. It was about releasing the buried xenophobia of millions of Brits and metaphorically sticking it to foreigners. If this were not the case, why do Priti Patel and Boris Johnson still pursue a policy of making the U.K. appear to be reprehensibly intolerant of enabling persecuted people to arrive in this country? They are doing this because they know that their core voters get warm and fuzzy inside at the thought of displaced foreigners being made to jump through impossible hoops just to try to get here. Fucking over small and medium sized businesses, farmers and fishermen was a price worth paying to keep Johnny Foreigner at arms length." . You might need to review the findings of Dr Tony Sewell , founder of the Generating Genius charity whose report concluded that Britains multi- racial society was a model to the world . It is probably also worth noting how diverse the current Government Cabinet is . This is the exact opposite of the picture that you are attempting to portray . | |||
"Farage Trump Orban Le Pen Modi Johnson Either supporters or appeasers of The putin regime. They led us here. Not Democrats, all Wannabe Autocrats, remember that, you sympathise with these people, you’re no better than them. " Angela Merkel | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real Having traded with Europe for over thirty years I can confirm you have no idea what you are talking about. “ a few tariffs” and “a little extra paperwork” You obviously didn’t read the warnings and possible impacts because if you did and this was your reasoned approach you would have voted remain. I suspect you’re a blue passport voter. Without going into the tens of billions in added costs for U.K. business just take the tax loss for the bank funds being shipped abroad. It was £11B when the exodus was just starting according to EY. Small online exporters from the U.K. grossed more sales than any country in the EU and in fact left them in our wake. Due to costs that trade has been decimated. I wanted to buy a lamp from Italy last week but due to Brexit costs they no longer ship to the U.K. Speak to the farmers or the fishermen and see how that “minor” stuff is impacting. Your only thought was will this effect you much? And you thought I’m alright. Never mind the kids won’t be able to travel freely anymore. No more foreign education unless your rich. Never mind exporters. It will affect you financially but probably in a small way you just won’t understand it I’m sure, but no doubt you’ll blame it on something else. Maybe you only travel on holiday once a year so that won’t bother you either. Although you won’t get as many euros now for your pound. Who will you blame for that? Anyone concerned about economic damage can clearly see it was already here before the energy crisis and war. The fact is Brexit has made us financially weaker to fight the added challenges obviously escapes you. As for share prices. They are at bubble status in many cases so not a safe bet on which to test strength. Teslas share price values the company at $1m per car sold. Think about that. " . Just as you are entitled to your opinion, to many other people a few tariffs and a little extra paperwork are neither here or there . You simply adopt to changing circumstances Most people will have read the warnings . Just because someone makes a warning does not mean it will either happen or come true .Neither the predicted job losses or the immediate recession came true . Forecasts are simply forecasts and by adjusting either the inputs or assumptions made or both you can probably obtain the result which you desire . For this reason , I just ignore forecasts . The performance of the FTSE is something that is easy to monitor and covers all industries . You only how to review how inaccurate the various forecasts made by Sage were to realise that some experts and their forecasts are not worth listening too. For non monetary matters , social workers , care staff and various medical experts can give me all the information that I need . It is difficult to see what relevance the colour of someones passport would have to Brexit . I currently hold two passports and they are both the same colour . I do not see many businesses complaining about the added costs . Prior to the impact of the energy crisis the FTSE 350 was close to an all time high as are recent dividend payments . This is hardly an economy suffering from damage by Brexit . Many farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit . Kids can still travel freely . In the worst case scenario you simply fill in an extra piece of paper . Two minutes work will have no impact on peoples lives . The foreign exchange movements to which you refer are simply a question of swings and roundabouts . Anyone bringing money into the UK benefits by a falling pound as do exporters . I cannot see many of our exporters wanting a rise in the value of sterling . The FTSE contains a very wide variety of companies . As Tesla are not Uk quoted I do not think we need be too concerned by them . The UK exposure is probably via Scottish Mortgage investment trust who have a long and very successful record in investing in companies at their start up stage . Even if Tesla went under the impact on them would be minimal . On a simplistic basis I fail to see how leaving the EU could impact on economic performance . We are still in Europe and continue to trade with all EU members , just on slightly different terms . The performance of the FTSE 350 would tend to back this up . | |||
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"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real Having traded with Europe for over thirty years I can confirm you have no idea what you are talking about. “ a few tariffs” and “a little extra paperwork” You obviously didn’t read the warnings and possible impacts because if you did and this was your reasoned approach you would have voted remain. I suspect you’re a blue passport voter. Without going into the tens of billions in added costs for U.K. business just take the tax loss for the bank funds being shipped abroad. It was £11B when the exodus was just starting according to EY. Small online exporters from the U.K. grossed more sales than any country in the EU and in fact left them in our wake. Due to costs that trade has been decimated. I wanted to buy a lamp from Italy last week but due to Brexit costs they no longer ship to the U.K. Speak to the farmers or the fishermen and see how that “minor” stuff is impacting. Your only thought was will this effect you much? And you thought I’m alright. Never mind the kids won’t be able to travel freely anymore. No more foreign education unless your rich. Never mind exporters. It will affect you financially but probably in a small way you just won’t understand it I’m sure, but no doubt you’ll blame it on something else. Maybe you only travel on holiday once a year so that won’t bother you either. Although you won’t get as many euros now for your pound. Who will you blame for that? Anyone concerned about economic damage can clearly see it was already here before the energy crisis and war. The fact is Brexit has made us financially weaker to fight the added challenges obviously escapes you. As for share prices. They are at bubble status in many cases so not a safe bet on which to test strength. Teslas share price values the company at $1m per car sold. Think about that. . Just as you are entitled to your opinion, to many other people a few tariffs and a little extra paperwork are neither here or there . You simply adopt to changing circumstances Most people will have read the warnings . Just because someone makes a warning does not mean it will either happen or come true .Neither the predicted job losses or the immediate recession came true . Forecasts are simply forecasts and by adjusting either the inputs or assumptions made or both you can probably obtain the result which you desire . For this reason , I just ignore forecasts . The performance of the FTSE is something that is easy to monitor and covers all industries . You only how to review how inaccurate the various forecasts made by Sage were to realise that some experts and their forecasts are not worth listening too. For non monetary matters , social workers , care staff and various medical experts can give me all the information that I need . It is difficult to see what relevance the colour of someones passport would have to Brexit . I currently hold two passports and they are both the same colour . I do not see many businesses complaining about the added costs . Prior to the impact of the energy crisis the FTSE 350 was close to an all time high as are recent dividend payments . This is hardly an economy suffering from damage by Brexit . Many farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit . Kids can still travel freely . In the worst case scenario you simply fill in an extra piece of paper . Two minutes work will have no impact on peoples lives . The foreign exchange movements to which you refer are simply a question of swings and roundabouts . Anyone bringing money into the UK benefits by a falling pound as do exporters . I cannot see many of our exporters wanting a rise in the value of sterling . The FTSE contains a very wide variety of companies . As Tesla are not Uk quoted I do not think we need be too concerned by them . The UK exposure is probably via Scottish Mortgage investment trust who have a long and very successful record in investing in companies at their start up stage . Even if Tesla went under the impact on them would be minimal . On a simplistic basis I fail to see how leaving the EU could impact on economic performance . We are still in Europe and continue to trade with all EU members , just on slightly different terms . The performance of the FTSE 350 would tend to back this up . " That’s a lot of words but not saying anything concrete. You repeat your comment on admin neither here or there. On internal administration alone the cost to U.K. business is over £15b according to HMRC. Now add the customs charges then the increases in transport and shipping which will be two to three times as much. You just say oh that’s neither here or there. We incurred a seven figure increases in costs due directly to Brexit. You don’t answer the £11b minimum tax loss point ?? Remember membership was £8-9B You maybe need to stop reading the express and try a few trade papers or websites to see if industry is complaining. Business moaning doesn’t sell papers especially right wing pro Brexit/ Boris papers. Or maybe take Boris’ attitude and say “fuck business”. He was responding to their complaints..
Regarding the value of sterling raw materials imported into the U.K. greatly affect our costs to export so that’s a negative of the pound falling along with increased shipping costs as most is undertaken by European based carriers. Add the fact we import far more than we export as a nation and your comment it’s swings and roundabouts is just financially ignorant nonsense. Again waffle comments taken as truth by yourself without looking at the detail.
Kids fill in a form?? Have you seen the Erasmus scheme has been scrapped? Again look into the detail not just the Boris rhetoric. The average student cannot be educated easily abroad if they don’t have serious money. A disgusting allegation is some students were sent home from the U.K. as their funding was cut mid term, so they were unable to complete their degree.
Also freedom to work abroad at any time in any country is no longer allowed for our young adults. Again you probably don’t care. Just minor stuff eh.
Many farmers and fishermen did vote for Brexit. Ask them if they would vote out now or indeed ask them if they were lied to.
On your “simplistic basis” you are failing to see how trade is affected because you are not looking at the detail or reading the governments own reports. Maybe you should stop listening to politicians for your news.
Look at the average size and international footprint of the leading shares registered in the U.K. the Global business footprint skewers the average and the rise in value because the revenues are not just earned in the U.K. that however wasn’t my point.
Again I’ll repeat if you read a lot of the concerned reports on shares they are getting into bubble status and I gave you Tesla as an example. You failed to understand the point I was making on shares. Shares are being churned and pushed to extract profit for the traders and investors but if like Lehman brothers years ago someone notices the kings actually naked ie Tesla is massively over valued as are others then the next crash will hurt a lot.
Remember this time there are no interest rates to cut to enable a life saving boost to the economy.
You claiming to ignore all forecasts and government reporting statistics which directly effect the economic decisions of this country says a lot about your argument.
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You’re comments are just constant rhetoric without substance or detail. Saying well it looks alright to me, is not a constructive or mature approach to business or the economy.
Brexit voters are now claiming that if something isn’t as bad as it was feared it’s a win. It is bad, but still a good thing., unbelievable.
Gaslighting at it’s finest. | |||
"I gather that Farage was named in Parliament today as having received £0.5m from Russia. Presumably they have some evidence to support this, I wonder how soon that will be published." The ex Belgian PM also claimed Farage was repeatedly pro Putin in arguments within the EU and against the Eastern Europeans being allowed to enter the EU. He also included that a lot of the far right throughout Europe has been funded directly by Putin including Le Pen. | |||
"I gather that Farage was named in Parliament today as having received £0.5m from Russia. Presumably they have some evidence to support this, I wonder how soon that will be published. The ex Belgian PM also claimed Farage was repeatedly pro Putin in arguments within the EU and against the Eastern Europeans being allowed to enter the EU. He also included that a lot of the far right throughout Europe has been funded directly by Putin including Le Pen. " Lots of interesting stuff surfacing (via Parliamentary privilege) about the likes of Farage and Aaron Banks and Vote Leave. It just keeps piling on yet those patriotic brexit supporters still cannot admit to themselves! | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real Having traded with Europe for over thirty years I can confirm you have no idea what you are talking about. “ a few tariffs” and “a little extra paperwork” You obviously didn’t read the warnings and possible impacts because if you did and this was your reasoned approach you would have voted remain. I suspect you’re a blue passport voter. Without going into the tens of billions in added costs for U.K. business just take the tax loss for the bank funds being shipped abroad. It was £11B when the exodus was just starting according to EY. Small online exporters from the U.K. grossed more sales than any country in the EU and in fact left them in our wake. Due to costs that trade has been decimated. I wanted to buy a lamp from Italy last week but due to Brexit costs they no longer ship to the U.K. Speak to the farmers or the fishermen and see how that “minor” stuff is impacting. Your only thought was will this effect you much? And you thought I’m alright. Never mind the kids won’t be able to travel freely anymore. No more foreign education unless your rich. Never mind exporters. It will affect you financially but probably in a small way you just won’t understand it I’m sure, but no doubt you’ll blame it on something else. Maybe you only travel on holiday once a year so that won’t bother you either. Although you won’t get as many euros now for your pound. Who will you blame for that? Anyone concerned about economic damage can clearly see it was already here before the energy crisis and war. The fact is Brexit has made us financially weaker to fight the added challenges obviously escapes you. As for share prices. They are at bubble status in many cases so not a safe bet on which to test strength. Teslas share price values the company at $1m per car sold. Think about that. . Just as you are entitled to your opinion, to many other people a few tariffs and a little extra paperwork are neither here or there . You simply adopt to changing circumstances Most people will have read the warnings . Just because someone makes a warning does not mean it will either happen or come true .Neither the predicted job losses or the immediate recession came true . Forecasts are simply forecasts and by adjusting either the inputs or assumptions made or both you can probably obtain the result which you desire . For this reason , I just ignore forecasts . The performance of the FTSE is something that is easy to monitor and covers all industries . You only how to review how inaccurate the various forecasts made by Sage were to realise that some experts and their forecasts are not worth listening too. For non monetary matters , social workers , care staff and various medical experts can give me all the information that I need . It is difficult to see what relevance the colour of someones passport would have to Brexit . I currently hold two passports and they are both the same colour . I do not see many businesses complaining about the added costs . Prior to the impact of the energy crisis the FTSE 350 was close to an all time high as are recent dividend payments . This is hardly an economy suffering from damage by Brexit . Many farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit . Kids can still travel freely . In the worst case scenario you simply fill in an extra piece of paper . Two minutes work will have no impact on peoples lives . The foreign exchange movements to which you refer are simply a question of swings and roundabouts . Anyone bringing money into the UK benefits by a falling pound as do exporters . I cannot see many of our exporters wanting a rise in the value of sterling . The FTSE contains a very wide variety of companies . As Tesla are not Uk quoted I do not think we need be too concerned by them . The UK exposure is probably via Scottish Mortgage investment trust who have a long and very successful record in investing in companies at their start up stage . Even if Tesla went under the impact on them would be minimal . On a simplistic basis I fail to see how leaving the EU could impact on economic performance . We are still in Europe and continue to trade with all EU members , just on slightly different terms . The performance of the FTSE 350 would tend to back this up . " Wow ..... Rose tinted glasses | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real Having traded with Europe for over thirty years I can confirm you have no idea what you are talking about. “ a few tariffs” and “a little extra paperwork” You obviously didn’t read the warnings and possible impacts because if you did and this was your reasoned approach you would have voted remain. I suspect you’re a blue passport voter. Without going into the tens of billions in added costs for U.K. business just take the tax loss for the bank funds being shipped abroad. It was £11B when the exodus was just starting according to EY. Small online exporters from the U.K. grossed more sales than any country in the EU and in fact left them in our wake. Due to costs that trade has been decimated. I wanted to buy a lamp from Italy last week but due to Brexit costs they no longer ship to the U.K. Speak to the farmers or the fishermen and see how that “minor” stuff is impacting. Your only thought was will this effect you much? And you thought I’m alright. Never mind the kids won’t be able to travel freely anymore. No more foreign education unless your rich. Never mind exporters. It will affect you financially but probably in a small way you just won’t understand it I’m sure, but no doubt you’ll blame it on something else. Maybe you only travel on holiday once a year so that won’t bother you either. Although you won’t get as many euros now for your pound. Who will you blame for that? Anyone concerned about economic damage can clearly see it was already here before the energy crisis and war. The fact is Brexit has made us financially weaker to fight the added challenges obviously escapes you. As for share prices. They are at bubble status in many cases so not a safe bet on which to test strength. Teslas share price values the company at $1m per car sold. Think about that. . Just as you are entitled to your opinion, to many other people a few tariffs and a little extra paperwork are neither here or there . You simply adopt to changing circumstances Most people will have read the warnings . Just because someone makes a warning does not mean it will either happen or come true .Neither the predicted job losses or the immediate recession came true . Forecasts are simply forecasts and by adjusting either the inputs or assumptions made or both you can probably obtain the result which you desire . For this reason , I just ignore forecasts . The performance of the FTSE is something that is easy to monitor and covers all industries . You only how to review how inaccurate the various forecasts made by Sage were to realise that some experts and their forecasts are not worth listening too. For non monetary matters , social workers , care staff and various medical experts can give me all the information that I need . It is difficult to see what relevance the colour of someones passport would have to Brexit . I currently hold two passports and they are both the same colour . I do not see many businesses complaining about the added costs . Prior to the impact of the energy crisis the FTSE 350 was close to an all time high as are recent dividend payments . This is hardly an economy suffering from damage by Brexit . Many farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit . Kids can still travel freely . In the worst case scenario you simply fill in an extra piece of paper . Two minutes work will have no impact on peoples lives . The foreign exchange movements to which you refer are simply a question of swings and roundabouts . Anyone bringing money into the UK benefits by a falling pound as do exporters . I cannot see many of our exporters wanting a rise in the value of sterling . The FTSE contains a very wide variety of companies . As Tesla are not Uk quoted I do not think we need be too concerned by them . The UK exposure is probably via Scottish Mortgage investment trust who have a long and very successful record in investing in companies at their start up stage . Even if Tesla went under the impact on them would be minimal . On a simplistic basis I fail to see how leaving the EU could impact on economic performance . We are still in Europe and continue to trade with all EU members , just on slightly different terms . The performance of the FTSE 350 would tend to back this up . " Russian bots on fab. Amazing. | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real Having traded with Europe for over thirty years I can confirm you have no idea what you are talking about. “ a few tariffs” and “a little extra paperwork” You obviously didn’t read the warnings and possible impacts because if you did and this was your reasoned approach you would have voted remain. I suspect you’re a blue passport voter. Without going into the tens of billions in added costs for U.K. business just take the tax loss for the bank funds being shipped abroad. It was £11B when the exodus was just starting according to EY. Small online exporters from the U.K. grossed more sales than any country in the EU and in fact left them in our wake. Due to costs that trade has been decimated. I wanted to buy a lamp from Italy last week but due to Brexit costs they no longer ship to the U.K. Speak to the farmers or the fishermen and see how that “minor” stuff is impacting. Your only thought was will this effect you much? And you thought I’m alright. Never mind the kids won’t be able to travel freely anymore. No more foreign education unless your rich. Never mind exporters. It will affect you financially but probably in a small way you just won’t understand it I’m sure, but no doubt you’ll blame it on something else. Maybe you only travel on holiday once a year so that won’t bother you either. Although you won’t get as many euros now for your pound. Who will you blame for that? Anyone concerned about economic damage can clearly see it was already here before the energy crisis and war. The fact is Brexit has made us financially weaker to fight the added challenges obviously escapes you. As for share prices. They are at bubble status in many cases so not a safe bet on which to test strength. Teslas share price values the company at $1m per car sold. Think about that. . Just as you are entitled to your opinion, to many other people a few tariffs and a little extra paperwork are neither here or there . You simply adopt to changing circumstances Most people will have read the warnings . Just because someone makes a warning does not mean it will either happen or come true .Neither the predicted job losses or the immediate recession came true . Forecasts are simply forecasts and by adjusting either the inputs or assumptions made or both you can probably obtain the result which you desire . For this reason , I just ignore forecasts . The performance of the FTSE is something that is easy to monitor and covers all industries . You only how to review how inaccurate the various forecasts made by Sage were to realise that some experts and their forecasts are not worth listening too. For non monetary matters , social workers , care staff and various medical experts can give me all the information that I need . It is difficult to see what relevance the colour of someones passport would have to Brexit . I currently hold two passports and they are both the same colour . I do not see many businesses complaining about the added costs . Prior to the impact of the energy crisis the FTSE 350 was close to an all time high as are recent dividend payments . This is hardly an economy suffering from damage by Brexit . Many farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit . Kids can still travel freely . In the worst case scenario you simply fill in an extra piece of paper . Two minutes work will have no impact on peoples lives . The foreign exchange movements to which you refer are simply a question of swings and roundabouts . Anyone bringing money into the UK benefits by a falling pound as do exporters . I cannot see many of our exporters wanting a rise in the value of sterling . The FTSE contains a very wide variety of companies . As Tesla are not Uk quoted I do not think we need be too concerned by them . The UK exposure is probably via Scottish Mortgage investment trust who have a long and very successful record in investing in companies at their start up stage . Even if Tesla went under the impact on them would be minimal . On a simplistic basis I fail to see how leaving the EU could impact on economic performance . We are still in Europe and continue to trade with all EU members , just on slightly different terms . The performance of the FTSE 350 would tend to back this up . Russian bots on fab. Amazing." "Everyone i disagree with is a russian bot!" *sticks fingers in ears and makes baby noises* | |||
"I gather that Farage was named in Parliament today as having received £0.5m from Russia. Presumably they have some evidence to support this, I wonder how soon that will be published. The ex Belgian PM also claimed Farage was repeatedly pro Putin in arguments within the EU and against the Eastern Europeans being allowed to enter the EU. He also included that a lot of the far right throughout Europe has been funded directly by Putin including Le Pen. Lots of interesting stuff surfacing (via Parliamentary privilege) about the likes of Farage and Aaron Banks and Vote Leave. It just keeps piling on yet those patriotic brexit supporters still cannot admit to themselves! " A good friend of mine works for a major bank dealing with wealthy clients and he had a lot of dealings with Aaron Banks. My friend distanced himself from Mr Banks during the run up to Brexit as he was concerned by his agenda but more so by where the ultimate source of the vote leave funding came from which when I asked if it was Russian money he neither admitted or denied it but having known him for years I understood his expression. The inference being that Banks Vote Leave ambitions were being funded by Russian money, and that if it was ever investigated then my friend and his Bank could have found themselves implicated in money laundering and liable to fines. Anecdotal I know but at least it’s grounded in reality rather than tractors and trailers cut and paste nonsense! | |||
"I have said all along that a vote for Brexit was traitorous. Why would anyone vote to make ourselves weaker, make our closest neighbours weaker and leave both them and us less strategically entwined against a common enemy? The Brexit vote was taken after decades of complacency and far too many people simply did not want to contemplate that a future aligned with Europe (aka foreigners) would actually be in the best long-term interests of this country. Really, how could anyone who voted for Brexit say that they voted for a better future? Utter bollocks and utterly traitorous. Are you saying anyone that voted brexit should also be on this traitors list? That's silly, they were lied to, and should have had the nouse to have spotted it. But they didn't deliberately fuck the country over. Those who funded and orchestrated brexit for their own interests. Absolutely could be considered traitors. . The campaign during Brexit was fairly staight forward. Each party presented their side of the argument and the public voted accordingly . There were plenty of opportunities to ask questions during the campaign. We continue to trade with the EU as normal , the only difference being a few extra tariffs in certain cases and a little extra paperwork . Companies have simply changed their procedures and carried on as normal. I do not see many companies complaining about our departure from the EU so they have simply adopted to the new rules . Any extra administration will be offet by the fact that we are no longer governed by EU rules and regulations and the innovation process can be speeded up. Should we wish we can now scrap CPD . We also save our annual contribution which can be offset against any extra administration costs . Everyone voting knew that it wasa once in a lifetime decision and had more than sufficient information in order to make a rational choice. I simply sat down at my dining room table , listed the pros and cons , the impact on me personally and then voted as I saw appropriate. As we still trade with all EU countries there is no long term economic damage . A check of share prices will confirm this . Anyone concerned with long term economic damage would be deeply worried about the impact of energy prices and the war in Ukraine . Leaving the EU hardly even enters the equation. The economic impact of the energy crisis and war is deep and real . Part of its impact is immediate and real Having traded with Europe for over thirty years I can confirm you have no idea what you are talking about. “ a few tariffs” and “a little extra paperwork” You obviously didn’t read the warnings and possible impacts because if you did and this was your reasoned approach you would have voted remain. I suspect you’re a blue passport voter. Without going into the tens of billions in added costs for U.K. business just take the tax loss for the bank funds being shipped abroad. It was £11B when the exodus was just starting according to EY. Small online exporters from the U.K. grossed more sales than any country in the EU and in fact left them in our wake. Due to costs that trade has been decimated. I wanted to buy a lamp from Italy last week but due to Brexit costs they no longer ship to the U.K. Speak to the farmers or the fishermen and see how that “minor” stuff is impacting. Your only thought was will this effect you much? And you thought I’m alright. Never mind the kids won’t be able to travel freely anymore. No more foreign education unless your rich. Never mind exporters. It will affect you financially but probably in a small way you just won’t understand it I’m sure, but no doubt you’ll blame it on something else. Maybe you only travel on holiday once a year so that won’t bother you either. Although you won’t get as many euros now for your pound. Who will you blame for that? Anyone concerned about economic damage can clearly see it was already here before the energy crisis and war. The fact is Brexit has made us financially weaker to fight the added challenges obviously escapes you. As for share prices. They are at bubble status in many cases so not a safe bet on which to test strength. Teslas share price values the company at $1m per car sold. Think about that. . Just as you are entitled to your opinion, to many other people a few tariffs and a little extra paperwork are neither here or there . You simply adopt to changing circumstances Most people will have read the warnings . Just because someone makes a warning does not mean it will either happen or come true .Neither the predicted job losses or the immediate recession came true . Forecasts are simply forecasts and by adjusting either the inputs or assumptions made or both you can probably obtain the result which you desire . For this reason , I just ignore forecasts . The performance of the FTSE is something that is easy to monitor and covers all industries . You only how to review how inaccurate the various forecasts made by Sage were to realise that some experts and their forecasts are not worth listening too. For non monetary matters , social workers , care staff and various medical experts can give me all the information that I need . It is difficult to see what relevance the colour of someones passport would have to Brexit . I currently hold two passports and they are both the same colour . I do not see many businesses complaining about the added costs . Prior to the impact of the energy crisis the FTSE 350 was close to an all time high as are recent dividend payments . This is hardly an economy suffering from damage by Brexit . Many farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit . Kids can still travel freely . In the worst case scenario you simply fill in an extra piece of paper . Two minutes work will have no impact on peoples lives . The foreign exchange movements to which you refer are simply a question of swings and roundabouts . Anyone bringing money into the UK benefits by a falling pound as do exporters . I cannot see many of our exporters wanting a rise in the value of sterling . The FTSE contains a very wide variety of companies . As Tesla are not Uk quoted I do not think we need be too concerned by them . The UK exposure is probably via Scottish Mortgage investment trust who have a long and very successful record in investing in companies at their start up stage . Even if Tesla went under the impact on them would be minimal . On a simplistic basis I fail to see how leaving the EU could impact on economic performance . We are still in Europe and continue to trade with all EU members , just on slightly different terms . The performance of the FTSE 350 would tend to back this up . Russian bots on fab. Amazing. "Everyone i disagree with is a russian bot!" *sticks fingers in ears and makes baby noises*" No. Just when it's absolutely bonkers stuff like this, completely disconnected from reality, and utterly bizarre. | |||
