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"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition." A smooth transition? Given how many small businesses barely survived the pandemic - how many do you think will survive the next six months, the next year? A combination of energy prices and a steep drop of disposable income from customers are going to make a transition alright. But it won't be smooth. That's just wishful thinking - as usual - from our overpromising and underdelivering government. Maybe they could use the windfall from higher oil prices to get all the shopkeepers and plumbers through another disaster? | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. A smooth transition? Given how many small businesses barely survived the pandemic - how many do you think will survive the next six months, the next year? A combination of energy prices and a steep drop of disposable income from customers are going to make a transition alright. But it won't be smooth. That's just wishful thinking - as usual - from our overpromising and underdelivering government. Maybe they could use the windfall from higher oil prices to get all the shopkeepers and plumbers through another disaster?"  so what keep importing Russian oil?????????? | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition." If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately" It seems so, i wonder how long before they lift the sanctions on Venezuela? they have a similar grade of oil that is needed to keep the refineries in the gulf going. | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately" Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it" That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot" Nothing like the consumption from Europe i have no idea how they are going to wean themselves off Russian oil and gas although some are much more exposed than others. Merkel fucked Germany by not going nuclear and relying on her ties with Putin they will probably suffer the most. | |||
"Okay Boris. That's my central heating turned off for the time being. Not even a pilot light. Hope that helps" If all the oil producing countries around the world joined forces we could stop Putin in his tracks. | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. A smooth transition? Given how many small businesses barely survived the pandemic - how many do you think will survive the next six months, the next year? A combination of energy prices and a steep drop of disposable income from customers are going to make a transition alright. But it won't be smooth. That's just wishful thinking - as usual - from our overpromising and underdelivering government. Maybe they could use the windfall from higher oil prices to get all the shopkeepers and plumbers through another disaster? so what keep importing Russian oil??????????"As always - not answering the question you were asked. I'm fine with not importing Russian oil. What are the consequences going to be for small businesses? Do you think there won't be any - because the transition will be so smooth? | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediatelyIt seems so, i wonder how long before they lift the sanctions on Venezuela? they have a similar grade of oil that is needed to keep the refineries in the gulf going. " Even if sanctions are lifted on Venezuela, why would they help the West out? | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot" If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it? | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it?" I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it? I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production" We export more than we use. According to gov.uk, the Russian oil is primarily for diesel. Exploration in the North Sea suits me, will keep me in a job lol | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. A smooth transition? Given how many small businesses barely survived the pandemic - how many do you think will survive the next six months, the next year? A combination of energy prices and a steep drop of disposable income from customers are going to make a transition alright. But it won't be smooth. That's just wishful thinking - as usual - from our overpromising and underdelivering government. Maybe they could use the windfall from higher oil prices to get all the shopkeepers and plumbers through another disaster? so what keep importing Russian oil??????????
As always - not answering the question you were asked. I'm fine with not importing Russian oil.
What are the consequences going to be for small businesses?
Do you think there won't be any - because the transition will be so smooth?"What small businesses are importing Russian oil? | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediatelyIt seems so, i wonder how long before they lift the sanctions on Venezuela? they have a similar grade of oil that is needed to keep the refineries in the gulf going. Even if sanctions are lifted on Venezuela, why would they help the West out?" Have you seen the state of venezuela since the Usa put sanctions on them? they would love to be able to sell crude to the USA again the place is a shithole now. | |||
" I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production" Oil is VERY different depending on where it comes from and those differences mean it has different uses and value. It has varying amounts of sulphur and different gravity (basically how dense it is). Different combinations mean that you use different oils for different things. It impacts how the refinery works and how much processing is needed. A lot of commodities are like this - depending on the type of wheat you can use some for high quality bread and others would barely be usable for animal feed. | |||
" I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production Oil is VERY different depending on where it comes from and those differences mean it has different uses and value. It has varying amounts of sulphur and different gravity (basically how dense it is). Different combinations mean that you use different oils for different things. It impacts how the refinery works and how much processing is needed. A lot of commodities are like this - depending on the type of wheat you can use some for high quality bread and others would barely be usable for animal feed. " Exactly you cant just refine any old oil the refineries are geared up for particular ones. | |||
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"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it? I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production We export more than we use. According to gov.uk, the Russian oil is primarily for diesel. Exploration in the North Sea suits me, will keep me in a job lol" I never knew we were self sufficient in oil, every day a school day I guess | |||
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"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it? I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production We export more than we use. According to gov.uk, the Russian oil is primarily for diesel. Exploration in the North Sea suits me, will keep me in a job lol I never knew we were self sufficient in oil, every day a school day I guess" Well we could have been or at least established a sovereign wealth fund like Norway buuuut...Thatcher and the Tories and something about free market economics (and enriching shareholders instead of citizens/the state). | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it? I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production We export more than we use. According to gov.uk, the Russian oil is primarily for diesel. Exploration in the North Sea suits me, will keep me in a job lol I never knew we were self sufficient in oil, every day a school day I guess Well we could have been or at least established a sovereign wealth fund like Norway buuuut...Thatcher and the Tories and something about free market economics (and enriching shareholders instead of citizens/the state)." The other poster said we export more than we use. I assume they mean present day so take that as not reliant on other countries. I agree about the wealth fund. Not sure why Labour did not opt for doing it either during their time in office | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it? I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production We export more than we use. According to gov.uk, the Russian oil is primarily for diesel. Exploration in the North Sea suits me, will keep me in a job lol I never knew we were self sufficient in oil, every day a school day I guess Well we could have been or at least established a sovereign wealth fund like Norway buuuut...Thatcher and the Tories and something about free market economics (and enriching shareholders instead of citizens/the state). The other poster said we export more than we use. I assume they mean present day so take that as not reliant on other countries. I agree about the wealth fund. Not sure why Labour did not opt for doing it either during their time in office" Labour couldn't. Once everything was sold off it's a bit too late to reign it all back in again. We wouldn't have been as prosperous as Norway. They have more reserves than us and a lower population. It still would have benefitted though. | |||
"Well thats a start Britain will phase out Russian imports of oil and oil products by the end of 2022, business minister Kwasi Kwarteng said on Tuesday, calling on businesses to use the transition period to ensure a smooth transition. If I'm reading it correctly it looks like America have gone for a ban immediately Did I read the US only import about 10% from Russia and have already approached the Saudis to cover it That sounds about right. The UK import even less than that from Russia at 8%. It all helps bit by bit and I would think 10% of American consumption is quite alot If we only import 8% I'm assuming it's just because it's a specific type of crude? Surely we will just consume more of our own rather than export it? I don't know for sure but do not think the Russians oil is any different from our own or elsewhere. I think we consume far more than we produce so import the balance from several world locations including Russia. I'm assuming that between now and the end of the year the people involved will be sourcing more from non Russian suppliers to make up for that 8%. I read that the government may be looking at more oil exploration in the north sea to increase our own production We export more than we use. According to gov.uk, the Russian oil is primarily for diesel. Exploration in the North Sea suits me, will keep me in a job lol I never knew we were self sufficient in oil, every day a school day I guess Well we could have been or at least established a sovereign wealth fund like Norway buuuut...Thatcher and the Tories and something about free market economics (and enriching shareholders instead of citizens/the state). The other poster said we export more than we use. I assume they mean present day so take that as not reliant on other countries. I agree about the wealth fund. Not sure why Labour did not opt for doing it either during their time in office Labour couldn't. Once everything was sold off it's a bit too late to reign it all back in again. We wouldn't have been as prosperous as Norway. They have more reserves than us and a lower population. It still would have benefitted though." So I take it then that's the reason why all governments since Labour did not do it either | |||
"Okay Boris. That's my central heating turned off for the time being. Not even a pilot light. Hope that helps" Don't think we're going to have that choice as I think it's going to be made for us. A few weeks ago, I was accused of over reaction, paranoia, prepping, hysteria and many others. Now that the War I said was coming has started that many denied, the US has already banned oil imports, Russia have threatened (and they will) shut off our gas supply via Europe in retaliation. Although we don't buy direct (pay attention to that term - DIRECT). We do buy gas from Europe who in turn buy cheap from Russia to sell to us. We use that gas for heat, chemical processes and stupidly, to generate electricity - lots of electricity. If the EU looses Russian supply, we are directly affected in that electricity will be rationed (we no longer have coal fired power stations - they blew them all up). Gas will be restricted, first by winding down industrial use - unless its needed for the 'war effort'. It's time for everyone to WAKE UP, this is real and will affect us here in the UK. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1277367#message_30922359 | |||
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"Okay Boris. That's my central heating turned off for the time being. Not even a pilot light. Hope that helps Don't think we're going to have that choice as I think it's going to be made for us. A few weeks ago, I was accused of over reaction, paranoia, prepping, hysteria and many others. Now that the War I said was coming has started that many denied, the US has already banned oil imports, Russia have threatened (and they will) shut off our gas supply via Europe in retaliation. Although we don't buy direct (pay attention to that term - DIRECT). We do buy gas from Europe who in turn buy cheap from Russia to sell to us. We use that gas for heat, chemical processes and stupidly, to generate electricity - lots of electricity. If the EU looses Russian supply, we are directly affected in that electricity will be rationed (we no longer have coal fired power stations - they blew them all up). Gas will be restricted, first by winding down industrial use - unless its needed for the 'war effort'. It's time for everyone to WAKE UP, this is real and will affect us here in the UK. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1277367#message_30922359 " What are you suggesting? | |||
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"At only 3percent of UK oil from Russia and 8 percent gas - YES WE CAN!" Other way round. 8% oil. | |||
"At only 3percent of UK oil from Russia and 8 percent gas - YES WE CAN! Other way round. 8% oil." Would be easy to make that up via renewables. If only the government wasn't in the pocket of the fossil fuels industry. | |||
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"At only 3percent of UK oil from Russia and 8 percent gas - YES WE CAN! Other way round. 8% oil. Would be easy to make that up via renewables. If only the government wasn't in the pocket of the fossil fuels industry." 97 % home made british gas sold to energy companies who sell it at Russian gas prices for the 3% deficit we have. It would be the same for fracked gas sold to energy companies. | |||
"So I read somewhere that Biden wanted to speak to Saudi and the Gulf States about upping output to offset Russia being sanctioned. Apparently they didn’t speak to him choosing to speak to Putin/Russia instead!" Yep, Saudis are treating him like the little idiot he is. Sad state of affairs with him and the tag along idiot kamala at the helm for the US | |||
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"America is upto its neck Russia brought proof of biological labs in Ukraine now the oval office are trying to cover these labs up " Crikey, there's some crackpots on here | |||
"At only 3percent of UK oil from Russia and 8 percent gas - YES WE CAN!" 18% of our refined diesel is from Russia, although 3 to 5% of gas is shipped directly to us as LNG from Russia. Europe buys gas from Russia via Ukrainian, Nordstream 1 and other pipelines and sells to us via pioelines.. Other countries then supply us LNG which is at risk of being sold to the highest bidder. Don't be led the lie that we are not reliant on Russian gas or oil. We are, and a lot of it is used for electricity generation. Government are about to run another push on Heat Pumps, which in turn will create a higher demand for electricity, especially on cold days where Heat Pump COP falls off below the point, that it's actually cheaper to switch on resistive heaters. The BBC were claiming we should be driving at 55mph to conserve fuel. Thus was true in the 80s when cars had 4 ot 5 speed gearboxes. Have you tried driving a 6 speed high pressure diesel at 55mph. Engine is labouring, dual torque flywheel and gearbox is getting hammered and 65mph is the the speed they'll cruise at. Although the sentiment is right, the speeds stated are out dated for newer vehicles. | |||
"America is upto its neck Russia brought proof of biological labs in Ukraine now the oval office are trying to cover these labs up " What are you taking about 
There is no proof that Ukraine and the USA were developing biological weapons.
There are however old soviet state labs that are leftovers from the old USSR days but you don’t expect Russia to add that but do you ?
Stop reading what’s on twatter or facecloth  | |||
