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By *abio OP   Man 2 days ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

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By *ostafunMan 2 days ago

near ipswich

No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters

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By *irldnCouple 2 days ago

Brighton

I’d say it is both.

Doubt many would argue against looking after pensioners, as Costa says, they have paid their dues (and many are vulnerable financially still so help is good and right).

The knock on effect/benefit to the Tories is also true but on this occasion it doesn’t make it wrong.

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By *ostafunMan 2 days ago

near ipswich


"I’d say it is both.

Doubt many would argue against looking after pensioners, as Costa says, they have paid their dues (and many are vulnerable financially still so help is good and right).

The knock on effect/benefit to the Tories is also true but on this occasion it doesn’t make it wrong."

exactly otherwise you could argue that anything a government does that helps anyone is done to win votes when all a government is doing is what it’s voted in for.

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By *icecouple561Couple 2 days ago
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Hastings

I'll be a state pension person later this year. None of this would make me consider for one nano second putting my x next to a conservative candidates name.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 days ago

golden fields


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters "

I generally agree. Although it is bizarre to see the Tories doing something FOR British people. I think we're so used to them serving the needs of their backers and corporate sponsors that it feels weird to see this.

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By *ostafunMan 2 days ago

near ipswich


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters

I generally agree. Although it is bizarre to see the Tories doing something FOR British people. I think we're so used to them serving the needs of their backers and corporate sponsors that it feels weird to see this."

are BRITISH people not getting the extra payments to help ease the crisis didn’t any of them get furlough throughout the pandemic your bias is unbelievable

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 days ago

golden fields


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters

I generally agree. Although it is bizarre to see the Tories doing something FOR British people. I think we're so used to them serving the needs of their backers and corporate sponsors that it feels weird to see this. are BRITISH people not getting the extra payments to help ease the crisis didn’t any of them get furlough throughout the pandemic your bias is unbelievable "

Look, I was actually agreeing with you, and you still try to pick an argument.

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By *itzi999Woman 2 days ago

Slough


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters "

Agreed. Don’t worry, it’s just the rabid socialist worker losers.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan 2 days ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the conservative and unionist government have always admitted to their buying of votes from their core support of pensioners .... to sugeest otherwise would make one an absolute liar.

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By *oralminxWoman 2 days ago

Hornyville


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters "

I cannot believe, after all this time, people believe Tories do not have their own agenda.

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By *ostafunMan 2 days ago

near ipswich


"the conservative and unionist government have always admitted to their buying of votes from their core support of pensioners .... to sugeest otherwise would make one an absolute liar. "
buying votes I honestly can’t believe that some on here actually believe the crap they spout. I guess the tories would be happy seeing all the pensioners starving in your eyes.

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By *oxychick35Couple 2 days ago

thornaby


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters

I generally agree. Although it is bizarre to see the Tories doing something FOR British people. I think we're so used to them serving the needs of their backers and corporate sponsors that it feels weird to see this. are BRITISH people not getting the extra payments to help ease the crisis didn’t any of them get furlough throughout the pandemic your bias is unbelievable "

I agree the British people where well looked after through the pandemic

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By *irldnCouple 2 days ago

Brighton


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters

I generally agree. Although it is bizarre to see the Tories doing something FOR British people. I think we're so used to them serving the needs of their backers and corporate sponsors that it feels weird to see this. are BRITISH people not getting the extra payments to help ease the crisis didn’t any of them get furlough throughout the pandemic your bias is unbelievable I agree the British people where well looked after through the pandemic "

Correction - SOME/MANY people were well looked after. There were approx 3-4 million self employed and small Ltd Co Directors who did not get a penny. Nada. Zilch.

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By *oralminxWoman 2 days ago

Hornyville


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters

I generally agree. Although it is bizarre to see the Tories doing something FOR British people. I think we're so used to them serving the needs of their backers and corporate sponsors that it feels weird to see this. are BRITISH people not getting the extra payments to help ease the crisis didn’t any of them get furlough throughout the pandemic your bias is unbelievable "

Fuel gains to the govt total approx 50% and the chancellor oh so generously gave us 5p off. Since that has occurred the govt has got triple that back - Oh. So. Generous.

If fuel remains high or continues to increase, it'll be a voting winner .

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By *ovis2022Man 2 days ago

SW

Sticking to the agreed approach doesn't feel like pandering.

However the Tories do need to square off saying yes to this with their approach elsewhere.

While pensions don't feed directly into prices, they need to be funded. That will either bleed through as price increases ... Or create greater cost of livings as ppl get taxes more.

I also do subscribe to the simple "they paid their dues" argument. The demographic have changed and so they were supporting fewer pensioners with a lower life expectancy. If there is an intergenerational promise, it needs to be fairer ... Which likely leads to immigration to plump up the workforce.

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By *rFunBoyMan 2 days ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoyMan 2 days ago

Longridge


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd "

11 million pensioners, aroubd 2 million struggling. Should have frozen as 9 million 'are doing ok' and living mortgage free.

Money saved could have been given as Credits to those struggling and the rest to the families unable to feed their kids.

As already said - buying votes by protecting the ones Thatcher made wealthy, further enhanced with generous Public Sector pensions.

Wish I was 20 years older, I'd be on easy street.

Nurses were absolutely shafted 4 years ago, let's see what they get offered this time around. Won't be anything like inflation or the bankers bonuses they are about to allow as it seems the damage they did in 2007 has now been forgiven!!

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By *ebjonnsonMan 2 days ago

Maldon


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

11 million pensioners, aroubd 2 million struggling. Should have frozen as 9 million 'are doing ok' and living mortgage free.

Money saved could have been given as Credits to those struggling and the rest to the families unable to feed their kids.

As already said - buying votes by protecting the ones Thatcher made wealthy, further enhanced with generous Public Sector pensions.

Wish I was 20 years older, I'd be on easy street.

Nurses were absolutely shafted 4 years ago, let's see what they get offered this time around. Won't be anything like inflation or the bankers bonuses they are about to allow as it seems the damage they did in 2007 has now been forgiven!!"

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?

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By *ebjonnsonMan 2 days ago

Maldon


"Sticking to the agreed approach doesn't feel like pandering.

However the Tories do need to square off saying yes to this with their approach elsewhere.

While pensions don't feed directly into prices, they need to be funded. That will either bleed through as price increases ... Or create greater cost of livings as ppl get taxes more.

I also do subscribe to the simple "they paid their dues" argument. The demographic have changed and so they were supporting fewer pensioners with a lower life expectancy. If there is an intergenerational promise, it needs to be fairer ... Which likely leads to immigration to plump up the workforce. "

We have already immigration to plump up the workforce.

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By *oxychick35Couple 2 days ago

thornaby


"No it’s looking after the people who have put into society all their lives and need help. I can’t believe that someone is trying to make looking after the elderly a Tory ploy to get voters

I generally agree. Although it is bizarre to see the Tories doing something FOR British people. I think we're so used to them serving the needs of their backers and corporate sponsors that it feels weird to see this. are BRITISH people not getting the extra payments to help ease the crisis didn’t any of them get furlough throughout the pandemic your bias is unbelievable I agree the British people where well looked after through the pandemic

Correction - SOME/MANY people were well looked after. There were approx 3-4 million self employed and small Ltd Co Directors who did not get a penny. Nada. Zilch."

sorry yes most did but some where left fucked

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By *ovis2022Man 2 days ago

SW


"Sticking to the agreed approach doesn't feel like pandering.

However the Tories do need to square off saying yes to this with their approach elsewhere.

While pensions don't feed directly into prices, they need to be funded. That will either bleed through as price increases ... Or create greater cost of livings as ppl get taxes more.

I also do subscribe to the simple "they paid their dues" argument. The demographic have changed and so they were supporting fewer pensioners with a lower life expectancy. If there is an intergenerational promise, it needs to be fairer ... Which likely leads to immigration to plump up the workforce.

We have already immigration to plump up the workforce."

and we will need more as time goes on in order to keep both sides of the deal fair.

Imagine how costly the state pension would be per Brit if we didn't have immigration!!

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By *irldnCouple 2 days ago

Brighton

State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

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By *ebjonnsonMan 2 days ago

Maldon


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel)."

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

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By *ackal1Couple 2 days ago

Manchester

I’ve just looked this up and the perception that pensions are all financially vulnerable is not true.

Out of 11million pensioners between one and two million are classed as living in relative poverty which means they only have the state pension. Shows you how bad that is then.

Of those a third to a half are black or Asian which also shows the imbalance and should upset the rabid racists that they are getting anything.

So to say yes they all deserve it isn’t strictly true.

It’s the image of old and frail that comes through every time. Those golf clubs are not full of 90 year old ladies with walking frames.

I would give it on a means tested basis as a lot of pensioners are very wealthy and workers are taking pay cuts to subsidise them all.

Im not saying don’t help pensioners. I’m saying it’s not a case of they all need it. Some definitely do.

Similar to NHS workers . By all means give the cleaners the nurses doctors and general staff but any senior manager or director can afford less of an increase to enable more to be given to the lower paid.

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By *ebjonnsonMan 2 days ago

Maldon

So, if you go through life doing all the good things- behave and learn at school, get a good job and work hard, follow a decent diet, no drinking to excess, no drugs, not obese. Have a family and raise them with good values, pay tax and NI all your working life, to be told you can’t have your pension - you should have pissed it up a wall, become a burden to the NHS etc.

sounds fair.

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By *abtastic999Man 2 days ago

manchester


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration. "

There are at least 3 people on the forums who hate immigrants (granted they might just be trolls though )

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By *JB1954Man 2 days ago

Reading

I am a pensioner , widower . I get state pension. Plus others. Which apart from one are company pensions. The other a private which I paid out my my wages. On my private / company pensions. I am taxed. All pensions added together before tax go over the required limit for any other benefits. The inference by another poster that pensioners are well off apart from a couple of million means they have not got a clue what they are on about .

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By *irldnCouple 2 days ago

Brighton


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration. "

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions.

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By *ebjonnsonMan 2 days ago

Maldon


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions."

Wow, real hate crimes listed there then. It’s in our national make up to whinge and moan - I do accept this increases as you get older. Got to keep you kids on your toes.

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By *abtastic999Man 2 days ago

manchester


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions.

Wow, real hate crimes listed there then. It’s in our national make up to whinge and moan - I do accept this increases as you get older. Got to keep you kids on your toes."

Race hate crimes are at an all time high

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By *icecouple561Couple 2 days ago
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Hastings


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions."

Isn't there a touch of irony in talking about the 'baby boomer crowd' criticising them for comments like 'nobody is speaking English on the bus'?

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By *oxychick35Couple 2 days ago

thornaby


"I am a pensioner , widower . I get state pension. Plus others. Which apart from one are company pensions. The other a private which I paid out my my wages. On my private / company pensions. I am taxed. All pensions added together before tax go over the required limit for any other benefits. The inference by another poster that pensioners are well off apart from a couple of million means they have not got a clue what they are on about . "
or please don’t tell them they haven’t a clue there all cardboard experts on here know everything about every subject lol

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By *oxychick35Couple 2 days ago

thornaby


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions.

Isn't there a touch of irony in talking about the 'baby boomer crowd' criticising them for comments like 'nobody is speaking English on the bus'?"

it’s just because immigration as been to rapid for them to get used to it nothing wrong in that

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By *icecouple561Couple 2 days ago
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Hastings


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions.

Isn't there a touch of irony in talking about the 'baby boomer crowd' criticising them for comments like 'nobody is speaking English on the bus'?it’s just because immigration as been to rapid for them to get used to it nothing wrong in that "

Immigration isn't a recent thing. Us baby boomers are well used to it. In fact one of us is the child of immigrants.

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By *oxychick35Couple 2 days ago

thornaby


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions.

Isn't there a touch of irony in talking about the 'baby boomer crowd' criticising them for comments like 'nobody is speaking English on the bus'?it’s just because immigration as been to rapid for them to get used to it nothing wrong in that

Immigration isn't a recent thing. Us baby boomers are well used to it. In fact one of us is the child of immigrants. "

but it is too fast for some older people

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By *ebjonnsonMan 2 days ago

Maldon


"State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population.

Many/most first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer).

Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel).

I’ve never met anyone that’s anti immigration.

I have. Plenty in fact. Generally, though not always, in the baby boomer crowd, ie those whose state pension relies on sufficient younger tax payers to fund. People saying things like “doesn’t feel like England anymore” or “nobody is speaking English on the bus” and such. There are plenty of opinion polls to back that up too and show the age split for opinions.

Isn't there a touch of irony in talking about the 'baby boomer crowd' criticising them for comments like 'nobody is speaking English on the bus'?it’s just because immigration as been to rapid for them to get used to it nothing wrong in that

Immigration isn't a recent thing. Us baby boomers are well used to it. In fact one of us is the child of immigrants. but it is too fast for some older people "

So you seem to think. I’m happy that the UK is not a racist infested shit hole. Far from it, one of the most tolerant nations on earth. We should be proud.

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By *ovis2022Man 2 days ago

SW


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

11 million pensioners, aroubd 2 million struggling. Should have frozen as 9 million 'are doing ok' and living mortgage free.

Money saved could have been given as Credits to those struggling and the rest to the families unable to feed their kids.

As already said - buying votes by protecting the ones Thatcher made wealthy, further enhanced with generous Public Sector pensions.

Wish I was 20 years older, I'd be on easy street.

Nurses were absolutely shafted 4 years ago, let's see what they get offered this time around. Won't be anything like inflation or the bankers bonuses they are about to allow as it seems the damage they did in 2007 has now been forgiven!!

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?"

just shy of £10kp. Which you will get on average for 20 years. So c200k

Ignoring interest, you'd need to pay 4.4k pa from 20 to 65 to cover that. If that was paid from NI (at 13.25pc) you'd need to earn 33k pa for your NI to cover your pension.

Since 1960 the number of 20-65 versus 65+ has dropped from 5 to 1 to 3 to 1. Eg for every OAP a worker on 1960 was covering, a 2020 worker is covering almost double. The generational deal is "I paid for my grandfathers retirement, so its only fair you pay for mine and your grandmother's".

(I realise this isn't all your point, but the system is crap and the while point of state pension has been lost. It's stopped being a backstop in the last fews of life (if your reached 65 in 1980 your life expectancy was 25pc less than it is today. I'd imagine 1960 was even lower)

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By *ackal1Couple 2 days ago

Manchester


"So, if you go through life doing all the good things- behave and learn at school, get a good job and work hard, follow a decent diet, no drinking to excess, no drugs, not obese. Have a family and raise them with good values, pay tax and NI all your working life, to be told you can’t have your pension - you should have pissed it up a wall, become a burden to the NHS etc.

sounds fair."

Your missing the point.

Firstly what if the pensioner was a single care worker all her life and so wasn’t a lazy shirker she’s just manage to survive.

The government says there’s not enough money to pay everyone working for the government an increase in line with inflation.

So those who are in most need not overpaid vice chancellors in universities or NHS directors should get it.

My father paid supertax in his day and so he’s well due his pension but he also doesn’t need the state pension. He puts it into an account for his grandchildren.

Will he be upset if he got £500 and his neighbour got £1000? No because they need it more than he does. The state is there to help and provide a safety net not give you extra if you don’t need it.

A lot of those pensioners who have earnings related pensions had those paid by the low earning tax payer and did not contribute the full amount themselves so why should they benefit twice.

The same principal by this government says it’s ok for my dad to pay for my mothers care home in full but in the room next door could be a woman fully paid by the state.

It’s affordability not whether it’s morally right or not. We are either looking after people who need it or we’re not.

The fact that we pay tax credits to workers who are working full time shows you how bad and low workers pay is getting.

Btw there are scrounging lazy bums in all shapes and sizes. Politicians paying their wives to not work so do you want the same benefit?

Maybe you want to have your cash tax free like the owner of the daily Mail?

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By *ackal1Couple 2 days ago

Manchester


"I am a pensioner , widower . I get state pension. Plus others. Which apart from one are company pensions. The other a private which I paid out my my wages. On my private / company pensions. I am taxed. All pensions added together before tax go over the required limit for any other benefits. The inference by another poster that pensioners are well off apart from a couple of million means they have not got a clue what they are on about . "

That would be me

I didn’t say they were well off I said they are not all poor. Look at my age and ask yourself, has he thought about pensions?

I’ve employed a lot of people and had to know a fair bit about pensions so you are incorrect.

Also I think all pension contributions should be far more generously treated in relation to tax allowance as they were in the seventies. I’m in favour of unearned wealth being taxed higher such as property.

I want you to keep your pension not pay tax twice. Dividends then yes you pay tax.

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By *rFunBoyMan 2 days ago

Longridge


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

11 million pensioners, aroubd 2 million struggling. Should have frozen as 9 million 'are doing ok' and living mortgage free.

Money saved could have been given as Credits to those struggling and the rest to the families unable to feed their kids.

As already said - buying votes by protecting the ones Thatcher made wealthy, further enhanced with generous Public Sector pensions.

Wish I was 20 years older, I'd be on easy street.

Nurses were absolutely shafted 4 years ago, let's see what they get offered this time around. Won't be anything like inflation or the bankers bonuses they are about to allow as it seems the damage they did in 2007 has now been forgiven!!

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?"

If you read my reply carefully and in the context it was written before jumping the gun.

Yes, and pound for pound, I also know how 'relatively poorer' many families are too..

So why blanket raise state pension for those with secondary pensions a d incomes.

I never said don't give those struggling extra, but many millions don't actually need it. A relative of mine is living in a £450k valued house, £180k in savings and nearly £1500 per month totalled up in pensions.

Does she need an increase when it's being stuffed into ISAs as it arrives. She does NOT need a rise as is the case for many others.

Government cash is not infinite, made worse by government squandering.

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By *eroy1000Man 2 days ago

milton keynes


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd "

What would have been the response if they were not to get this rise. Proof if needed that whatever decisions are made, people will complain. This government has got many things wrong and lost my vote in the process, but when they occasionally get something right then surely that's good news

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By *ackal1Couple 2 days ago

Manchester


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

What would have been the response if they were not to get this rise. Proof if needed that whatever decisions are made, people will complain. This government has got many things wrong and lost my vote in the process, but when they occasionally get something right then surely that's good news"

It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.

Imagine if the government hadn’t blown £37 billion on track and trace . That’s £3363 for each pensioner. Then add the tens of billions on PPE or the £11b on bond interest lost because of Sunaks stupidity. . That’s more than Gordon Brown lost selling our gold reserves. Throw in the hundreds of billions we’re losing over Brexit and there’s your issue.

The country is in a mess because of who’s in charge . The poor always end up picking up the tab. It’s why the richest 1% have become even more obscenely wealthy. Our government is the problem along with our tax system.

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By *eroy1000Man 2 days ago

milton keynes


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

What would have been the response if they were not to get this rise. Proof if needed that whatever decisions are made, people will complain. This government has got many things wrong and lost my vote in the process, but when they occasionally get something right then surely that's good news

It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.

Imagine if the government hadn’t blown £37 billion on track and trace . That’s £3363 for each pensioner. Then add the tens of billions on PPE or the £11b on bond interest lost because of Sunaks stupidity. . That’s more than Gordon Brown lost selling our gold reserves. Throw in the hundreds of billions we’re losing over Brexit and there’s your issue.

The country is in a mess because of who’s in charge . The poor always end up picking up the tab. It’s why the richest 1% have become even more obscenely wealthy. Our government is the problem along with our tax system. "

Are you saying you agree giving pensioners the rise or disagree

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By *ackal1Couple 2 days ago

Manchester


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

What would have been the response if they were not to get this rise. Proof if needed that whatever decisions are made, people will complain. This government has got many things wrong and lost my vote in the process, but when they occasionally get something right then surely that's good news

It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.

Imagine if the government hadn’t blown £37 billion on track and trace . That’s £3363 for each pensioner. Then add the tens of billions on PPE or the £11b on bond interest lost because of Sunaks stupidity. . That’s more than Gordon Brown lost selling our gold reserves. Throw in the hundreds of billions we’re losing over Brexit and there’s your issue.

The country is in a mess because of who’s in charge . The poor always end up picking up the tab. It’s why the richest 1% have become even more obscenely wealthy. Our government is the problem along with our tax system.

Are you saying you agree giving pensioners the rise or disagree"

I’ll quote my post again

“It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.”

I “want” them all to get it but if the government can’t afford to give hospital cleaners more then why should a wealthier pensioner be given more when they don’t need it?

Remember a hospital cleaner can’t put great chunks of cash into a private pension because the pay is so poor.

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By *eroy1000Man 2 days ago

milton keynes


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

What would have been the response if they were not to get this rise. Proof if needed that whatever decisions are made, people will complain. This government has got many things wrong and lost my vote in the process, but when they occasionally get something right then surely that's good news

It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.

Imagine if the government hadn’t blown £37 billion on track and trace . That’s £3363 for each pensioner. Then add the tens of billions on PPE or the £11b on bond interest lost because of Sunaks stupidity. . That’s more than Gordon Brown lost selling our gold reserves. Throw in the hundreds of billions we’re losing over Brexit and there’s your issue.

The country is in a mess because of who’s in charge . The poor always end up picking up the tab. It’s why the richest 1% have become even more obscenely wealthy. Our government is the problem along with our tax system.

Are you saying you agree giving pensioners the rise or disagree

I’ll quote my post again

“It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.”

I “want” them all to get it but if the government can’t afford to give hospital cleaners more then why should a wealthier pensioner be given more when they don’t need it?

Remember a hospital cleaner can’t put great chunks of cash into a private pension because the pay is so poor.

"

That's a no from you then. Thanks. I personally think it's good but it's good to hear other views even if we disagree

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By *ackal1Couple 2 days ago

Manchester


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

What would have been the response if they were not to get this rise. Proof if needed that whatever decisions are made, people will complain. This government has got many things wrong and lost my vote in the process, but when they occasionally get something right then surely that's good news

It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.

Imagine if the government hadn’t blown £37 billion on track and trace . That’s £3363 for each pensioner. Then add the tens of billions on PPE or the £11b on bond interest lost because of Sunaks stupidity. . That’s more than Gordon Brown lost selling our gold reserves. Throw in the hundreds of billions we’re losing over Brexit and there’s your issue.

The country is in a mess because of who’s in charge . The poor always end up picking up the tab. It’s why the richest 1% have become even more obscenely wealthy. Our government is the problem along with our tax system.

Are you saying you agree giving pensioners the rise or disagree

I’ll quote my post again

“It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.”

I “want” them all to get it but if the government can’t afford to give hospital cleaners more then why should a wealthier pensioner be given more when they don’t need it?

Remember a hospital cleaner can’t put great chunks of cash into a private pension because the pay is so poor.

That's a no from you then. Thanks. I personally think it's good but it's good to hear other views even if we disagree"

Ha ha did you actually read it or did you think you read it?

Read it again

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By *ovis2022Man 2 days ago

SW

The other way of spinning this is ...

Who wants to pay £300 more in tax to pay for the increase ?

That's each and every year. Not a one off payment.

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By *abio OP   Man 2 days ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?"

£185.15 per week if they get get the maximum…

Let’s just use the BOE worst case estimate for inflation… if it’s 11% in October… that means the pension would basically go up by 20 pounds a week….

I am just trying to work out how the government square the circle between offering one group of people 11%… but then offering a nurse or a teacher for example 3%

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By *itzi999Woman 1 day ago

Slough


"

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?

£185.15 per week if they get get the maximum…

Let’s just use the BOE worst case estimate for inflation… if it’s 11% in October… that means the pension would basically go up by 20 pounds a week….

I am just trying to work out how the government square the circle between offering one group of people 11%… but then offering a nurse or a teacher for example 3%

"

Pensioners deserve the most as they have put in the most throughout their lifetime, and should get the most.

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By *JB1954Man 1 day ago

Reading


"

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?

£185.15 per week if they get get the maximum…

Let’s just use the BOE worst case estimate for inflation… if it’s 11% in October… that means the pension would basically go up by 20 pounds a week….

I am just trying to work out how the government square the circle between offering one group of people 11%… but then offering a nurse or a teacher for example 3%

Pensioners deserve the most as they have put in the most throughout their lifetime, and should get the most. "

I get more than the average. £894 every four weeks. This is because of SERPS . As I said in my earlier post. Add all my pensions together , before tax, just over £1600. I do have some savings . I was earning a very good wage before retirement , long 12 hour shifts ,including nights and weekends. Then to go from my working income to pension is a shock. Yes have no mortgage and get discount on council tax. All other bills still need to be paid. Now what I have had to do is cut down on my social life . Which again other pensioners like myself have also done. Yes lucky because have private pensions to top up government one . But again money I would be spending socially is not helping say the businesses . Keeping them going and say employing people .

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By *irldnCouple 1 day ago

Brighton

If only there was a way to make sure the UK had more money in the bank to pay for stuff! I mean it’s not as if many of those big corporates register their HQ in tax havens and charge IP fees to their “subsidiaries” or very wealthy individuals syphon their riches into offshore shell companies and multiple trusts to avoid tax now is it...oh

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By *ercuryMan 24 hours ago

Grantham


"

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?

£185.15 per week if they get get the maximum…

Let’s just use the BOE worst case estimate for inflation… if it’s 11% in October… that means the pension would basically go up by 20 pounds a week….

I am just trying to work out how the government square the circle between offering one group of people 11%… but then offering a nurse or a teacher for example 3%

"

Do you think that they should scrap the triple lock rules, just because the high inflation rate is very inconvenient?

Just as next year when rail fares are calculated. July RPI + 1%. Going to be a hefty increase, and hardly a vote winner.

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By *ovis2022Man 20 hours ago

SW


"

Do you know how much (or little) the state pension is?

£185.15 per week if they get get the maximum…

Let’s just use the BOE worst case estimate for inflation… if it’s 11% in October… that means the pension would basically go up by 20 pounds a week….

I am just trying to work out how the government square the circle between offering one group of people 11%… but then offering a nurse or a teacher for example 3%

Do you think that they should scrap the triple lock rules, just because the high inflation rate is very inconvenient?

Just as next year when rail fares are calculated. July RPI + 1%. Going to be a hefty increase, and hardly a vote winner.

"

I don't think they are saying no to 10pc but asking why 10pc for some and 3pc for others.

Especially as (I'm guessing) the others will be hit by the trains increases. And have to find the 10pc of pensioners.

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By *eroy1000Man 13 hours ago

milton keynes


"With all the things regarding inflation at the moment, rishi has confirmed that pensioners will get the full increase next year… so whatever the inflation rate is in October that is what it will go up by next April

Also remember that pensioners will also get 1000 pounds for their heating (400 plus 300 plus winter fuel allowance)

So… bearing in mind that pensioners are more likely to vote.. and vote conservative… is this pandering to your most loyal crowd

What would have been the response if they were not to get this rise. Proof if needed that whatever decisions are made, people will complain. This government has got many things wrong and lost my vote in the process, but when they occasionally get something right then surely that's good news

It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.

Imagine if the government hadn’t blown £37 billion on track and trace . That’s £3363 for each pensioner. Then add the tens of billions on PPE or the £11b on bond interest lost because of Sunaks stupidity. . That’s more than Gordon Brown lost selling our gold reserves. Throw in the hundreds of billions we’re losing over Brexit and there’s your issue.

The country is in a mess because of who’s in charge . The poor always end up picking up the tab. It’s why the richest 1% have become even more obscenely wealthy. Our government is the problem along with our tax system.

Are you saying you agree giving pensioners the rise or disagree

I’ll quote my post again

“It’s not right when millions more are becoming much worse off.

Give the pensioners a rise . Give them 20% if you like as we do have one of the worst state pensions in the west but only if we have the cash. Otherwise it’s means tested.”

I “want” them all to get it but if the government can’t afford to give hospital cleaners more then why should a wealthier pensioner be given more when they don’t need it?

Remember a hospital cleaner can’t put great chunks of cash into a private pension because the pay is so poor.

That's a no from you then. Thanks. I personally think it's good but it's good to hear other views even if we disagree

Ha ha did you actually read it or did you think you read it?

Read it again "

I'm still not sure then as your first words were its not right when millions are becoming much worse off. I know means testing has it's purpose but I feel with pensions it should be across the board

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