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By *bernath OP Couple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
Over the coming days and months, we are going to see the ultimate slash and burn. You think it could not get any worse? Welcome to elitism, screw what we need, you’re getting what they want.
At the helm, the mannequin Truss, a soulless husk of a woman, who has the charisma of a plank. Our new plank minister!
Ready to drag Britain down an ideological black hole. Her team of privileged wannabes, ready to convert the UK into a low regulation tax haven for the wealthy.
Two years you have or more if she has the actual balls to win a mandate. There will be a policy burn, all which will favour the Rich and wealthy in society, screw all you plebs.
Where constituency boundaries will be gerrymandered to ensure that your vote will be unaccounted for.
Where business interests outweigh collective responsibility. It’s not Thatcherism, this is Truss-o-nomics, where the rich say and the rest do.
Is there anymore? |
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"Over the coming days and months, we are going to see the ultimate slash and burn. You think it could not get any worse? Welcome to elitism, screw what we need, you’re getting what they want.
At the helm, the mannequin Truss, a soulless husk of a woman, who has the charisma of a plank. Our new plank minister!
Ready to drag Britain down an ideological black hole. Her team of privileged wannabes, ready to convert the UK into a low regulation tax haven for the wealthy.
Two years you have or more if she has the actual balls to win a mandate. There will be a policy burn, all which will favour the Rich and wealthy in society, screw all you plebs.
Where constituency boundaries will be gerrymandered to ensure that your vote will be unaccounted for.
Where business interests outweigh collective responsibility. It’s not Thatcherism, this is Truss-o-nomics, where the rich say and the rest do.
Is there anymore?"
Love the positive statement, the economy will recover because unemployment is low, within 10 months inflation will be below 2%. |
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over a year ago
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"Over the coming days and months, we are going to see the ultimate slash and burn. You think it could not get any worse? Welcome to elitism, screw what we need, you’re getting what they want.
At the helm, the mannequin Truss, a soulless husk of a woman, who has the charisma of a plank. Our new plank minister!
Ready to drag Britain down an ideological black hole. Her team of privileged wannabes, ready to convert the UK into a low regulation tax haven for the wealthy.
Two years you have or more if she has the actual balls to win a mandate. There will be a policy burn, all which will favour the Rich and wealthy in society, screw all you plebs.
Where constituency boundaries will be gerrymandered to ensure that your vote will be unaccounted for.
Where business interests outweigh collective responsibility. It’s not Thatcherism, this is Truss-o-nomics, where the rich say and the rest do.
Is there anymore?
Love the positive statement, the economy will recover because unemployment is low, within 10 months inflation will be below 2%."
No it won’t |
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"No..
I'll be happy then the whole damned lot of them are gone. and who would u like them replaced with"
At present a bunch of shop window dummies would do a better job. Doing nothing would be better than the open asset stripping of everyone who is not a millionaire and the donation to the billionaires. Eg. her answer to poor people being unable to buy food is to cut national insurance. Gives ZERO to anyone without a job, near sweet FA to anyone on minimum wage, about a fiver to those on less than 30k, and anything up to ten grand for someone on above 100k. Inflation then makes sure than the bottom 85% of the population are worse off, the poorer you are the even poorer you become, and the only ones better off are those who don't need any more.
So yes, even having no government whatsoever would be better than having one that has the express intention of stealing from the poor to give to the rich. |
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"Over the coming days and months, we are going to see the ultimate slash and burn. You think it could not get any worse? Welcome to elitism, screw what we need, you’re getting what they want.
At the helm, the mannequin Truss, a soulless husk of a woman, who has the charisma of a plank. Our new plank minister!
Ready to drag Britain down an ideological black hole. Her team of privileged wannabes, ready to convert the UK into a low regulation tax haven for the wealthy.
Two years you have or more if she has the actual balls to win a mandate. There will be a policy burn, all which will favour the Rich and wealthy in society, screw all you plebs.
Where constituency boundaries will be gerrymandered to ensure that your vote will be unaccounted for.
Where business interests outweigh collective responsibility. It’s not Thatcherism, this is Truss-o-nomics, where the rich say and the rest do.
Is there anymore?"
And you know all of this because you have privileged information that no one else has access to?
Or is this something you have read parrot fashion from an online anti Tory website?
Before you say anything I am most definitely not a conservative or vote conservative.
But you can't make statements such as this without hard proof, otherwise it's speculation and guesswork.
Also
Seriously what is the answer who would you like to see in power? |
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By *bernath OP Couple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"Over the coming days and months, we are going to see the ultimate slash and burn. You think it could not get any worse? Welcome to elitism, screw what we need, you’re getting what they want.
At the helm, the mannequin Truss, a soulless husk of a woman, who has the charisma of a plank. Our new plank minister!
Ready to drag Britain down an ideological black hole. Her team of privileged wannabes, ready to convert the UK into a low regulation tax haven for the wealthy.
Two years you have or more if she has the actual balls to win a mandate. There will be a policy burn, all which will favour the Rich and wealthy in society, screw all you plebs.
Where constituency boundaries will be gerrymandered to ensure that your vote will be unaccounted for.
Where business interests outweigh collective responsibility. It’s not Thatcherism, this is Truss-o-nomics, where the rich say and the rest do.
Is there anymore?
And you know all of this because you have privileged information that no one else has access to?
Or is this something you have read parrot fashion from an online anti Tory website?
Before you say anything I am most definitely not a conservative or vote conservative.
But you can't make statements such as this without hard proof, otherwise it's speculation and guesswork.
Also
Seriously what is the answer who would you like to see in power?"
Hard proof? it’s glaringly obvious. Did you watch the hustings? It came from her own mouth, and her writings “Britannia unchained”. Now there is proposed tax reforms to let the richest keep more money.
In your answer Not this dead carcass of a government for sure. Time to hand over reins to decent government with a pragmatic approach, more than likely the opposition parties, who seem to have more of a scooby and are actually in touch with reality. Not this trickle down BS, which even the IMF said was unworkable. |
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Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ? |
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By *AFKA HovisMan
over a year ago
Sindon Swingdon Swindon |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?"
the scale fo the victory is a quirk of our first past the post system. The popular vote has them as having the largest minority.
But they are great at winning elections. They turned 2019 into an (almost) one topic vote ... Delivering Brexit. And they had they better pitch here. Largely because they rallied behind a single voice ... And that voice was happy to over promise to get the votes.
The opposition didnt have that clarity of position and has a range of voices.
Tories also did a great job in making Corbyn look unelectable. It was less the manifesto, more the politicians themselves. "An anti Semite flanked by an incompetent and innumerate socialist".
Finally the "middle/left" isnsplit across three parties who rarely collaborate. The "middle/right" had the tories and whatever ukip was then. Who made sure they didn't canabalise each others vote where it mattered. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?"
Nearly all the press support the Conservatives, they're extremely well funded (as they greatly reward their backers, IE fast tracking their PPE start ups to multi million £ contracts). So when election time comes. People not paying attention are bombarded with pro Tory propaganda, and anti-everyone else bias. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?"
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit."
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change."
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
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Not saying you are right or wrong, but would you explain what it is that makes you say the opposition (ie Labour) are terrible? What is it that they do or policies they propose that makes you draw that conclusion? |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but would you explain what it is that makes you say the opposition (ie Labour) are terrible? What is it that they do or policies they propose that makes you draw that conclusion?"
I could list a number of thoughts but I don’t rate the current government either. I have never known such an amateurish bunch of tossers. A result of people entering politics as a career rather than a calling. Or the rush for diversity perhaps?
Corbyn would never be taken serious as a possible PM and I suspect he well knew that himself. I’ve no doubt he would be charming and fascinating as a dinner companion though.
The image of him the other week with a raised fist at the Chris Kaba rally was shameful. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
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Sadly the evidence doesn't support that. 12 years of Tory reign, and Brexit are compelling evidence that people will consistently vote against their own interests when the propaganda and press tell them to. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change."
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
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over a year ago
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
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Good people.? Unless you know them all personally, how do you know they are good people..? |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Good people.? Unless you know them all personally, how do you know they are good people..?"
Clearly I have more faith in the great British public than you do. Most people are good aren’t they? |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
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Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but would you explain what it is that makes you say the opposition (ie Labour) are terrible? What is it that they do or policies they propose that makes you draw that conclusion?
I could list a number of thoughts but I don’t rate the current government either. I have never known such an amateurish bunch of tossers. A result of people entering politics as a career rather than a calling. Or the rush for diversity perhaps?
Corbyn would never be taken serious as a possible PM and I suspect he well knew that himself. I’ve no doubt he would be charming and fascinating as a dinner companion though.
The image of him the other week with a raised fist at the Chris Kaba rally was shameful."
I totally agree re the Johnson Cabinet. Jury still out on Truss Cabinet but not looking too good so far.
Re Labour. I get the dislike of Corbyn. Very Marmite. However, some of his policies, that were roundly trashed leading up to 2019 General Election, now seem rather prescient! Such as the, at the time, laughable universal broadband.
So for you is it about the personalities involved rather than their policies?
What about Starmer led Labour? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone."
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but would you explain what it is that makes you say the opposition (ie Labour) are terrible? What is it that they do or policies they propose that makes you draw that conclusion?
I could list a number of thoughts but I don’t rate the current government either. I have never known such an amateurish bunch of tossers. A result of people entering politics as a career rather than a calling. Or the rush for diversity perhaps?
Corbyn would never be taken serious as a possible PM and I suspect he well knew that himself. I’ve no doubt he would be charming and fascinating as a dinner companion though.
The image of him the other week with a raised fist at the Chris Kaba rally was shameful.
I totally agree re the Johnson Cabinet. Jury still out on Truss Cabinet but not looking too good so far.
Re Labour. I get the dislike of Corbyn. Very Marmite. However, some of his policies, that were roundly trashed leading up to 2019 General Election, now seem rather prescient! Such as the, at the time, laughable universal broadband.
So for you is it about the personalities involved rather than their policies?
What about Starmer led Labour?"
I like him, and Rayner. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but would you explain what it is that makes you say the opposition (ie Labour) are terrible? What is it that they do or policies they propose that makes you draw that conclusion?
I could list a number of thoughts but I don’t rate the current government either. I have never known such an amateurish bunch of tossers. A result of people entering politics as a career rather than a calling. Or the rush for diversity perhaps?
Corbyn would never be taken serious as a possible PM and I suspect he well knew that himself. I’ve no doubt he would be charming and fascinating as a dinner companion though.
The image of him the other week with a raised fist at the Chris Kaba rally was shameful.
I totally agree re the Johnson Cabinet. Jury still out on Truss Cabinet but not looking too good so far.
Re Labour. I get the dislike of Corbyn. Very Marmite. However, some of his policies, that were roundly trashed leading up to 2019 General Election, now seem rather prescient! Such as the, at the time, laughable universal broadband.
So for you is it about the personalities involved rather than their policies?
What about Starmer led Labour?
I like him, and Rayner. "
Now that is something I wasn't expecting to hear today, you like Rayner?
Fire away, I'm all ears, what do you like about her? |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Not saying you are right or wrong, but would you explain what it is that makes you say the opposition (ie Labour) are terrible? What is it that they do or policies they propose that makes you draw that conclusion?
I could list a number of thoughts but I don’t rate the current government either. I have never known such an amateurish bunch of tossers. A result of people entering politics as a career rather than a calling. Or the rush for diversity perhaps?
Corbyn would never be taken serious as a possible PM and I suspect he well knew that himself. I’ve no doubt he would be charming and fascinating as a dinner companion though.
The image of him the other week with a raised fist at the Chris Kaba rally was shameful.
I totally agree re the Johnson Cabinet. Jury still out on Truss Cabinet but not looking too good so far.
Re Labour. I get the dislike of Corbyn. Very Marmite. However, some of his policies, that were roundly trashed leading up to 2019 General Election, now seem rather prescient! Such as the, at the time, laughable universal broadband.
So for you is it about the personalities involved rather than their policies?
What about Starmer led Labour?
I like him, and Rayner.
Now that is something I wasn't expecting to hear today, you like Rayner?
Fire away, I'm all ears, what do you like about her? "
Her spirit. She has a bit of spunk about her. I mean that in the American use of the word. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone.
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008."
There is a debate to have about this.
I guess my main point being, he had to pull Labour into Tory territory to win the elections. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone.
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008."
As you say, Iraq and PPP will always be a stain on that time but I agree they made a difference and mostly for the good. I think starmer would ideally go in the same direction but not sure he can get the party to follow. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone.
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008.
As you say, Iraq and PPP will always be a stain on that time but I agree they made a difference and mostly for the good. I think starmer would ideally go in the same direction but not sure he can get the party to follow. "
I am a centrist so New Labour was in my comfort zone for the most part. I don’t think they moved into the Tory space particularly. I see the Tories (back in the 90s) as Centre-Right and New Labour as Centre-mostly. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone.
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008.
As you say, Iraq and PPP will always be a stain on that time but I agree they made a difference and mostly for the good. I think starmer would ideally go in the same direction but not sure he can get the party to follow.
I am a centrist so New Labour was in my comfort zone for the most part. I don’t think they moved into the Tory space particularly. I see the Tories (back in the 90s) as Centre-Right and New Labour as Centre-mostly."
I'm neither, right, left or centre. I just want a government that does what's best for Britain, instead of what's best for themselves and their billionaires pals. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone.
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008.
As you say, Iraq and PPP will always be a stain on that time but I agree they made a difference and mostly for the good. I think starmer would ideally go in the same direction but not sure he can get the party to follow.
I am a centrist so New Labour was in my comfort zone for the most part. I don’t think they moved into the Tory space particularly. I see the Tories (back in the 90s) as Centre-Right and New Labour as Centre-mostly.
I'm neither, right, left or centre. I just want a government that does what's best for Britain, instead of what's best for themselves and their billionaires pals."
Even I can’t find fault or argue with that.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone.
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008.
As you say, Iraq and PPP will always be a stain on that time but I agree they made a difference and mostly for the good. I think starmer would ideally go in the same direction but not sure he can get the party to follow.
I am a centrist so New Labour was in my comfort zone for the most part. I don’t think they moved into the Tory space particularly. I see the Tories (back in the 90s) as Centre-Right and New Labour as Centre-mostly."
Seems a pretty good summing up to me |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
It is going to be hard to change not because of the press, because the percentage of the older population is getting greater, and being replaced by the next generation with even more people.
Voting conservative becomes more likely the older you become, and the younger generations are less likely to vote.
Blair knew this and dealt with it accordingly.
Yeah, Blair out Toried the Tories. Fine, he got into power, but it wasn't much use to anyone.
For maybe the first time I disagree with you. Blair’s legacy will forever be tarnished by Iraq and perhaps also PPP but New Labour did a tonne of good in their first two terms and were really only derailed by the financial crash in 2008.
As you say, Iraq and PPP will always be a stain on that time but I agree they made a difference and mostly for the good. I think starmer would ideally go in the same direction but not sure he can get the party to follow.
I am a centrist so New Labour was in my comfort zone for the most part. I don’t think they moved into the Tory space particularly. I see the Tories (back in the 90s) as Centre-Right and New Labour as Centre-mostly.
I'm neither, right, left or centre. I just want a government that does what's best for Britain, instead of what's best for themselves and their billionaires pals.
Even I can’t find fault or argue with that.
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Good people.? Unless you know them all personally, how do you know they are good people..?
Clearly I have more faith in the great British public than you do. Most people are good aren’t they?"
I agree most British people are good people, but I was commenting on your previous comment which seemed to say all people who voted for Brexit were good people. |
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"Just curious, I confess I don’t know a great deal about British politics, but if the Tory’s are so disliked (by reading some of the posts here) how did they manage to win a general election, with an 80 odd seat majority.
Were the opposition really that bad ?
The only credible opposition has been terrible for quite a while. They also ignored the concerns of their core voters for decades, hence the backlash & protest vote for Brexit.
There you go, the almost complete control that the establishment, and press has over the general voting public leads to opinions like this. It's a shocking state of affairs. I've no idea how it's going to change.
Good people don’t need the press to tell them what to think. They know when something is wrong.
Good people.? Unless you know them all personally, how do you know they are good people..?
Clearly I have more faith in the great British public than you do. Most people are good aren’t they?
I agree most British people are good people, but I was commenting on your previous comment which seemed to say all people who voted for Brexit were good people. "
While I didn’t like the way they voted I wouldn’t call them bad people. |
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There are things that New Labour did which were badly thought out but they did manage to get national debt down massively and until the financial crash of 2008 they were running this country really well - those fucking bankers eh! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"There are things that New Labour did which were badly thought out but they did manage to get national debt down massively and until the financial crash of 2008 they were running this country really well - those fucking bankers eh!"
The Tory led deregulation of financial markets screwed us with sub-prime. Gordon Brown had many faults but his action in 2008 pretty much saved us (and the world with his influence and leadership) from total global depression.
When Tory’s harp on about Liam Byrne’s light-hearted (and traditional) note saying “there’s no money” they miss the fact that they drove and supported the very deregulation that led to the financial crisis.
Here we are 12yrs of Tory Govt later and things are even worse! |
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Well if she carries on like this, I think thus will be torys last time in office for a while. They will be rinsed off the ballot paper. Ashame the reds aren't much better at the moment. They should be all over this back patting by the higher echelons. |
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