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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market. |
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"An absolute tragedy, hopefully they will publish the results the inquiry and bring forward better legislation."
I don't hold out much hope as very little has changed in social housing since the grenfell tower disaster. |
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On the basis that the left haven't started accusing the council I'm going to assume that this isn't a Tory council. Merely an observation, although I'm obviously actually trying to politicise the tragedy |
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"On the basis that the left haven't started accusing the council I'm going to assume that this isn't a Tory council. Merely an observation, although I'm obviously actually trying to politicise the tragedy "
It wasn't a council property. |
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"On the basis that the left haven't started accusing the council I'm going to assume that this isn't a Tory council. Merely an observation, although I'm obviously actually trying to politicise the tragedy
It wasn't a council property. "
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market. "
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
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What do you think social housing means?
Solution is for the landlord to deal with the problem if that cannot happen suitable alternative accommodation needs to be found so people don't die. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
What do you think social housing means?
Solution is for the landlord to deal with the problem if that cannot happen suitable alternative accommodation needs to be found so people don't die."
You made the statement, can you not expand? Throwing the question back is lazy...
How and where is this accommodation going to be found?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
What do you think social housing means?
Solution is for the landlord to deal with the problem if that cannot happen suitable alternative accommodation needs to be found so people don't die.
You made the statement, can you not expand? Throwing the question back is lazy...
How and where is this accommodation going to be found?
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Nothing lazy about it. So you think it's acceptable for it just to be left and a child dies?
Usual housing is provided by local authorities or housing associations. It seems you are only here to pick a fight. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
What do you think social housing means?
Solution is for the landlord to deal with the problem if that cannot happen suitable alternative accommodation needs to be found so people don't die.
You made the statement, can you not expand? Throwing the question back is lazy...
How and where is this accommodation going to be found?
Nothing lazy about it. So you think it's acceptable for it just to be left and a child dies?
Usual housing is provided by local authorities or housing associations. It seems you are only here to pick a fight. "
your lazy reply as nothing to do with the facts of the matter, and adding emotion to support it, is again lazy...
Back on topic.
What is the answer to social housing, who is accountable for checks not being followed up from professionals reporting issues?
What is the solution, not dream? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
What do you think social housing means?
Solution is for the landlord to deal with the problem if that cannot happen suitable alternative accommodation needs to be found so people don't die.
You made the statement, can you not expand? Throwing the question back is lazy...
How and where is this accommodation going to be found?
Nothing lazy about it. So you think it's acceptable for it just to be left and a child dies?
Usual housing is provided by local authorities or housing associations. It seems you are only here to pick a fight.
your lazy reply as nothing to do with the facts of the matter, and adding emotion to support it, is again lazy...
Back on topic.
What is the answer to social housing, who is accountable for checks not being followed up from professionals reporting issues?
What is the solution, not dream?"
Do you had looked into this or wanted to ask proper polite questions I would answer them.
You could always look up the obligations of landlords yourself. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
What do you think social housing means?
Solution is for the landlord to deal with the problem if that cannot happen suitable alternative accommodation needs to be found so people don't die.
You made the statement, can you not expand? Throwing the question back is lazy...
How and where is this accommodation going to be found?
Nothing lazy about it. So you think it's acceptable for it just to be left and a child dies?
Usual housing is provided by local authorities or housing associations. It seems you are only here to pick a fight.
your lazy reply as nothing to do with the facts of the matter, and adding emotion to support it, is again lazy...
Back on topic.
What is the answer to social housing, who is accountable for checks not being followed up from professionals reporting issues?
What is the solution, not dream?"
Not a dream the law! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
What do you think social housing means?
Solution is for the landlord to deal with the problem if that cannot happen suitable alternative accommodation needs to be found so people don't die.
You made the statement, can you not expand? Throwing the question back is lazy...
How and where is this accommodation going to be found?
Nothing lazy about it. So you think it's acceptable for it just to be left and a child dies?
Usual housing is provided by local authorities or housing associations. It seems you are only here to pick a fight.
your lazy reply as nothing to do with the facts of the matter, and adding emotion to support it, is again lazy...
Back on topic.
What is the answer to social housing, who is accountable for checks not being followed up from professionals reporting issues?
What is the solution, not dream?
Not a dream the law!"
oh dear. You haven't thought this through have you?
How does the system improve? not one element, all of it, as it takes all parts to work well.
It is tragic a child died, but you are putting the blame on what? all parties, the council, social services, parents? The death of anyone is tragic, but are you prepared to look deeper into the issue? Is throwing a headline out there with no regard to the whole picture and all its moving parts, what you do? |
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
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Social housing is charities or social enterprises that provide housing at low cost because the councils cannot do it.
The answer is like 20 year commitment to upgrade housing to modern standards but it will never happen , our country is poor and doesn’t have enough highly educated or skilled people to produce the outputs needed.
If you want a local economy based on nail technicians and odd job men, then you will have to accept cold damp houses |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
Social housing is charities or social enterprises that provide housing at low cost because the councils cannot do it.
The answer is like 20 year commitment to upgrade housing to modern standards but it will never happen , our country is poor and doesn’t have enough highly educated or skilled people to produce the outputs needed.
If you want a local economy based on nail technicians and odd job men, then you will have to accept cold damp houses "
Residents should get a ferry to France and then catch a dinghy back across. They will soon find themselves in a nice spa hotel by the seaside.
Human rights for the privileged few. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
Social housing is charities or social enterprises that provide housing at low cost because the councils cannot do it.
The answer is like 20 year commitment to upgrade housing to modern standards but it will never happen , our country is poor and doesn’t have enough highly educated or skilled people to produce the outputs needed.
If you want a local economy based on nail technicians and odd job men, then you will have to accept cold damp houses
Residents should get a ferry to France and then catch a dinghy back across. They will soon find themselves in a nice spa hotel by the seaside.
Human rights for the privileged few."
That certainly wasn't case for the refugee family who lost their son due to a appalling housing conditions. |
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Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers."
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
Social housing is charities or social enterprises that provide housing at low cost because the councils cannot do it.
The answer is like 20 year commitment to upgrade housing to modern standards but it will never happen , our country is poor and doesn’t have enough highly educated or skilled people to produce the outputs needed.
If you want a local economy based on nail technicians and odd job men, then you will have to accept cold damp houses
Residents should get a ferry to France and then catch a dinghy back across. They will soon find themselves in a nice spa hotel by the seaside.
Human rights for the privileged few."
Which spa hotel are you referring to? |
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This is a tragedy and one of the worst aspects of it is that when the boy’s father raised a formal complaint the housing association then were told to stop any work on the property until the complaint was resolved. I presume they did this because of potential legal or insurance issues and having seen photos of the exterior of the property which looks like it is covered in cladding, I wonder if there is more to this story then the appalling headlines. It could easily be poor installation of cladding allowing insulation to become saturated and causing the internal mild problem. It beggars belief that this could have happened in this country and in this day and age.
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"In socal housing.
This really is a very sad story the family as well as health visitors, Midwives and social workers reported the appalling damp conditions in the family home several times and nothing is done.
It's appalling that people have to put up with such awful conditions and it's not just social housing it's across the rental market.
When you say social housing, what does that mean?
Do you also think there is an answer to this problem that hasn't been discussed before?
Social housing is charities or social enterprises that provide housing at low cost because the councils cannot do it.
The answer is like 20 year commitment to upgrade housing to modern standards but it will never happen , our country is poor and doesn’t have enough highly educated or skilled people to produce the outputs needed.
If you want a local economy based on nail technicians and odd job men, then you will have to accept cold damp houses
Residents should get a ferry to France and then catch a dinghy back across. They will soon find themselves in a nice spa hotel by the seaside.
Human rights for the privileged few."
And back in the shallow end of the gene pool…..  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This is a tragedy and one of the worst aspects of it is that when the boy’s father raised a formal complaint the housing association then were told to stop any work on the property until the complaint was resolved. I presume they did this because of potential legal or insurance issues and having seen photos of the exterior of the property which looks like it is covered in cladding, I wonder if there is more to this story then the appalling headlines. It could easily be poor installation of cladding allowing insulation to become saturated and causing the internal mild problem. It beggars belief that this could have happened in this country and in this day and age.
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No there isn't more to the story the housing Association have already admitted they made a mistake and they shouldn't have stopped work. It wasn't just the father that had complained to the housing association, A health visitor and midwife had also complained. |
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"This is a tragedy and one of the worst aspects of it is that when the boy’s father raised a formal complaint the housing association then were told to stop any work on the property until the complaint was resolved. I presume they did this because of potential legal or insurance issues and having seen photos of the exterior of the property which looks like it is covered in cladding, I wonder if there is more to this story then the appalling headlines. It could easily be poor installation of cladding allowing insulation to become saturated and causing the internal mild problem. It beggars belief that this could have happened in this country and in this day and age.
No there isn't more to the story the housing Association have already admitted they made a mistake and they shouldn't have stopped work. It wasn't just the father that had complained to the housing association, A health visitor and midwife had also complained. "
They stopped working because they were told to follow a protocol and that is wrong. My reasons for saying that there is probably more to the story are because I work in construction and have seen examples of retrofitting of cladding on buildings that lead to the damp and mouldy conditions that poor boy was living in. The housing association were completely in the wrong for ignoring what was going on and that lies firmly in the hands of their ceo (on a wage of 168k pa) so don’t get into a fight with me please as I think it’s an awful thing to happen and am in no way seeking to justify their actions |
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"This is a tragedy and one of the worst aspects of it is that when the boy’s father raised a formal complaint the housing association then were told to stop any work on the property until the complaint was resolved. I presume they did this because of potential legal or insurance issues and having seen photos of the exterior of the property which looks like it is covered in cladding, I wonder if there is more to this story then the appalling headlines. It could easily be poor installation of cladding allowing insulation to become saturated and causing the internal mild problem. It beggars belief that this could have happened in this country and in this day and age.
No there isn't more to the story the housing Association have already admitted they made a mistake and they shouldn't have stopped work. It wasn't just the father that had complained to the housing association, A health visitor and midwife had also complained.
They stopped working because they were told to follow a protocol and that is wrong. My reasons for saying that there is probably more to the story are because I work in construction and have seen examples of retrofitting of cladding on buildings that lead to the damp and mouldy conditions that poor boy was living in. The housing association were completely in the wrong for ignoring what was going on and that lies firmly in the hands of their ceo (on a wage of 168k pa) so don’t get into a fight with me please as I think it’s an awful thing to happen and am in no way seeking to justify their actions "
Even in court the housing association admitted they were not told to by anybody, they chose to stick to protocol even though their own assessors had said the house was not fit for human inhabitation. If they had done what they were legally obliged to do in the 1st place an official complaint would never have had to have been submitted. |
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"An absolute tragedy, hopefully they will publish the results the inquiry and bring forward better legislation."
the usual nonsense will be trotted out like lessons have been learnt we are truly sorry blah blah blah sadly it’s happening all over the uk substandard housing I can’t believe it’s happening now in the 21st century
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"This is a tragedy and one of the worst aspects of it is that when the boy’s father raised a formal complaint the housing association then were told to stop any work on the property until the complaint was resolved. I presume they did this because of potential legal or insurance issues and having seen photos of the exterior of the property which looks like it is covered in cladding, I wonder if there is more to this story then the appalling headlines. It could easily be poor installation of cladding allowing insulation to become saturated and causing the internal mild problem. It beggars belief that this could have happened in this country and in this day and age.
No there isn't more to the story the housing Association have already admitted they made a mistake and they shouldn't have stopped work. It wasn't just the father that had complained to the housing association, A health visitor and midwife had also complained.
They stopped working because they were told to follow a protocol and that is wrong. My reasons for saying that there is probably more to the story are because I work in construction and have seen examples of retrofitting of cladding on buildings that lead to the damp and mouldy conditions that poor boy was living in. The housing association were completely in the wrong for ignoring what was going on and that lies firmly in the hands of their ceo (on a wage of 168k pa) so don’t get into a fight with me please as I think it’s an awful thing to happen and am in no way seeking to justify their actions "
This is a problem that is seen far too often. Social workers, police officers, neighbours raising concerns and nothing gets done. It isn't only poor housing, cruelty and all sorts go unchecked and then we have a headline.
It seems to me a professional raising concerns does not cut it, I'm not sure what the escalation paths are for these types of things and even if there is a national standard process to do so. My gut feeling is, it will be localised and that could be where the issues begin.
We gravitate to wards the headline, shout for answers, a week goes by and it seems it goes back to square one... Change is needed to safe guard the vulnerable and support professionals raising concerns. |
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"So are all the other flats in this complex in a similar state ?"
Some are, some aren't. I've lived in a block of flats and did have a minor problem around the doors and windows but several of the other flats had it really badly. The people downstairs from me had it really badly. |
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I worked in social housing maintenance for almost ten years and definitely had my eyes opened much of which isn't pertinent to this particular discussion, however in regards to damp I visited many house's with serious damp issues.
"Generally"speaking the surveyor will throw it back at the tennant quoting " modern living" as the cause.
Overcrowding, open-plan buildings clothes drying on rads plus other stuff with the main cause being lack of ventilation and believe it or not over insulation preventing the property from breathing.
However in most circumstances we would treat the symptoms but not the cause.
They would definitely take rising damp seriously.
America takes black mould very seriously due to the way house's are constructed.
As many properties have gone down the wood and plasterboard construction in this country in recent years we are now seeing a massive surge in black mould problems.
Once it gets into the gyproc it's almost impossible to get out, you can surface clean.
Now once it gets behind and into the studwork it can go undetected and cause serious issues particularly people who have asthma or a similar condition.
I Haven't looked at the case other than the headlines but I wouldn't bet against the poor child having been an asthmatic.
Case's like this are going to re occur unless authorities start treating black mould with the same level of caution and severity as legionella.
And of course the bottom line is funding once again the poorest and most vulnerable suffer as a consequence! |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. "
that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot |
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The Head of the Housing Association responsible earns over £180,000 pa, more than the Prime Minister. Many Housing Associations are just quasi private developers with no sense of care or community. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot "
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law. "
I do no them inside out was for ten yrs I used to provide everything and pay the six monthly contact rules was good when changed to yearly it all in the small print yes if it had a boiler but I didn't have to put one in the first place so if wasn't one it wasn't landlords responsibility shocking |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law. "
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law. I do no them inside out was for ten yrs I used to provide everything and pay the six monthly contact rules was good when changed to yearly it all in the small print yes if it had a boiler but I didn't have to put one in the first place so if wasn't one it wasn't landlords responsibility shocking "
No you don't have to have a boiler however you have to have some way of providing hot water it's very clearly stated in the law. By have lived in properties where there has been no gas I have still had hot water. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given."
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given.
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy. "
Yes that is true and it is at the cost of the housing association we have to be turned away 4 times befor they can seek a court order to gain entry all ads to cost leaving less money for improvements.
At the moment in the area I work there will be very little emergany cover over Xmas to the new year as the rate is so low no body wants to do it. So if a pipe burst and some one gets flooded there might not be a plumper to sort the leak or an electrician to get the power back on for days.
The law can say what it wants but without the money to fund workers it's pointless. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given.
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy.
Yes that is true and it is at the cost of the housing association we have to be turned away 4 times befor they can seek a court order to gain entry all ads to cost leaving less money for improvements.
At the moment in the area I work there will be very little emergany cover over Xmas to the new year as the rate is so low no body wants to do it. So if a pipe burst and some one gets flooded there might not be a plumper to sort the leak or an electrician to get the power back on for days.
The law can say what it wants but without the money to fund workers it's pointless."
But that's against the law so no it's not pointless. They have a legal obligation to send someone and if they can't send their own people they have to send somebody from another company. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given.
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy.
Yes that is true and it is at the cost of the housing association we have to be turned away 4 times befor they can seek a court order to gain entry all ads to cost leaving less money for improvements.
At the moment in the area I work there will be very little emergany cover over Xmas to the new year as the rate is so low no body wants to do it. So if a pipe burst and some one gets flooded there might not be a plumper to sort the leak or an electrician to get the power back on for days.
The law can say what it wants but without the money to fund workers it's pointless.
But that's against the law so no it's not pointless. They have a legal obligation to send someone and if they can't send their own people they have to send somebody from another company. "
Ok So Xmas day how are thay going to call to send in sussex? And how is going to pay. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given.
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy.
Yes that is true and it is at the cost of the housing association we have to be turned away 4 times befor they can seek a court order to gain entry all ads to cost leaving less money for improvements.
At the moment in the area I work there will be very little emergany cover over Xmas to the new year as the rate is so low no body wants to do it. So if a pipe burst and some one gets flooded there might not be a plumper to sort the leak or an electrician to get the power back on for days.
The law can say what it wants but without the money to fund workers it's pointless.
But that's against the law so no it's not pointless. They have a legal obligation to send someone and if they can't send their own people they have to send somebody from another company. Ok So Xmas day how are thay going to call to send in sussex? And how is going to pay."
The housing association or council.
Clearly States In our tenancy agreement if there is a emergency where the home is not inhabitable unless emergency repairs are made A local authority has to provide someone To fix the problem or provide alternative accommodation. If someone's house is flooded and/or they have no electricity It is the obligation of the landlord to make sure some provision is made even if it is Just emergency lighting and heating. |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given.
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy.
Yes that is true and it is at the cost of the housing association we have to be turned away 4 times befor they can seek a court order to gain entry all ads to cost leaving less money for improvements.
At the moment in the area I work there will be very little emergany cover over Xmas to the new year as the rate is so low no body wants to do it. So if a pipe burst and some one gets flooded there might not be a plumper to sort the leak or an electrician to get the power back on for days.
The law can say what it wants but without the money to fund workers it's pointless.
But that's against the law so no it's not pointless. They have a legal obligation to send someone and if they can't send their own people they have to send somebody from another company. Ok So Xmas day how are thay going to call to send in sussex? And how is going to pay.
The housing association or council.
Clearly States In our tenancy agreement if there is a emergency where the home is not inhabitable unless emergency repairs are made A local authority has to provide someone To fix the problem or provide alternative accommodation. If someone's house is flooded and/or they have no electricity It is the obligation of the landlord to make sure some provision is made even if it is Just emergency lighting and heating."
And that is just it there I one person to all and if thay don't have cover it goes back to the housing association to move you to where over Xmas I hate to think. But they asked this year how could do call out from the 23rd to the 2nd know one wanted it at £14.50 / 24 hours |
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given.
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy.
Yes that is true and it is at the cost of the housing association we have to be turned away 4 times befor they can seek a court order to gain entry all ads to cost leaving less money for improvements.
At the moment in the area I work there will be very little emergany cover over Xmas to the new year as the rate is so low no body wants to do it. So if a pipe burst and some one gets flooded there might not be a plumper to sort the leak or an electrician to get the power back on for days.
The law can say what it wants but without the money to fund workers it's pointless.
But that's against the law so no it's not pointless. They have a legal obligation to send someone and if they can't send their own people they have to send somebody from another company. Ok So Xmas day how are thay going to call to send in sussex? And how is going to pay.
The housing association or council.
Clearly States In our tenancy agreement if there is a emergency where the home is not inhabitable unless emergency repairs are made A local authority has to provide someone To fix the problem or provide alternative accommodation. If someone's house is flooded and/or they have no electricity It is the obligation of the landlord to make sure some provision is made even if it is Just emergency lighting and heating.
And that is just it there I one person to all and if thay don't have cover it goes back to the housing association to move you to where over Xmas I hate to think. But they asked this year how could do call out from the 23rd to the 2nd know one wanted it at £14.50 / 24 hours "
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"Try getting the authorities to do anything of real value these days. Police, councils, highways agency, social workers. It's all box ticking and statistics. No doubt 'lessons will be learned'. They all work their hardest when avoiding responsibility or blame, wankers.
I have to say some councils and housing associations are good landlords.
We cannot fault ours as never had any issues and any repairs have been dealt with swiftly particularly emergency ones. Last year on the 19th of December our boiler broke, I phoned the council on the out of hours number as it was a Sunday. Within 4 hours somebody had come out to look at the boiler and said it needed replacing, 2 days later we had a new boiler. A neighbour reported issues with damp when it 1st appeared, 6 weeks later necessary work had been done and it hasn't come back. My point is it is perfectly possible for a well organised council or housing association to get work done when needed. that's because they were prepared to go above what the law says they have to first step I'd do being a ex landlord is change the laws to force many landlords to do the work by law I only have to supply water it doesn't say has to be hot
I'm sorry but you need to really look at the law. Landlords have had the following obligations have been in place since 1985.
Landlord's responsibilities
A landlord is responsible for: repairs to the structure and exterior of the property, heating and hot water systems, basins, sinks, baths and other sanitaryware. the safety of gas and electrical appliances. the fire safety of furniture and furnishings provided under the tenancy.
Taken from the government website. If you chose not to provide hot water you were breaking the law.
I work on a contract in social housing and its a not a simple problem.
I do electrical checks DEICR but at least 1 a day I can not get I to so has to be re booked.
Some are in such a state by the resident that it's hours to repair.
Went to one flat that had damp caused by the flat above letting there dogs use the box room as a toilet. Is this all the fault of the housing association tenants also need to play there part.
Most treat the property with respect but there are a small number that just don't look after what they are given.
But you are talking about is completely different as this is tenants who are in breach of tenancy.
Yes that is true and it is at the cost of the housing association we have to be turned away 4 times befor they can seek a court order to gain entry all ads to cost leaving less money for improvements.
At the moment in the area I work there will be very little emergany cover over Xmas to the new year as the rate is so low no body wants to do it. So if a pipe burst and some one gets flooded there might not be a plumper to sort the leak or an electrician to get the power back on for days.
The law can say what it wants but without the money to fund workers it's pointless.
But that's against the law so no it's not pointless. They have a legal obligation to send someone and if they can't send their own people they have to send somebody from another company. Ok So Xmas day how are thay going to call to send in sussex? And how is going to pay.
The housing association or council.
Clearly States In our tenancy agreement if there is a emergency where the home is not inhabitable unless emergency repairs are made A local authority has to provide someone To fix the problem or provide alternative accommodation. If someone's house is flooded and/or they have no electricity It is the obligation of the landlord to make sure some provision is made even if it is Just emergency lighting and heating.
And that is just it there I one person to all and if thay don't have cover it goes back to the housing association to move you to where over Xmas I hate to think. But they asked this year how could do call out from the 23rd to the 2nd know one wanted it at £14.50 / 24 hours
Then they will have private contractors because they know they have to provide emergency cover. "
I am self employed we all are now down hear. Hope its better in London I think we look after about 26,000 homes there was a leak to flat Tuesday night I got the power back on to day. Single Mum and daughter in the property. The company needs more staff when lots goes wrong but when there is no problem there is little to do. |
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"May be you should look at the SOR Price Book it's becoming un workable."
It's been unworkable for years.
The prices are so unrealistic it's a joke.
This is why more and more housing associations are going direct delivery and employing their own labour rather than putting the contract's out to tender.
Most if not all include call out as part of the contract of employment.
Trying to make a living based on the sor code's is impossible unless you are willing to bend the rules which I am not. |
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By *estivalMan
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Dont have no problems with my housing association, pay my rent cash instead of direct debit,when my boiler broke told me id have to wait 4-5 weeks for a new one, when i pointed out i would withold the rent till i got a new one it was replaced within a week. Find the threat of witholding there money works wonders |
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"Dont have no problems with my housing association, pay my rent cash instead of direct debit,when my boiler broke told me id have to wait 4-5 weeks for a new one, when i pointed out i would withold the rent till i got a new one it was replaced within a week. Find the threat of witholding there money works wonders"
I will just say you are not actually legally allowed to withhold rent. You can pay for essential work to be done and then take it from the rent as long as you provide receipts as long as you have asked your landlord to do the work and they haven't done it in a timely manner. I'm glad this strategy worked in your case but it could back fire for others. |
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By *estivalMan
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"Dont have no problems with my housing association, pay my rent cash instead of direct debit,when my boiler broke told me id have to wait 4-5 weeks for a new one, when i pointed out i would withold the rent till i got a new one it was replaced within a week. Find the threat of witholding there money works wonders
I will just say you are not actually legally allowed to withhold rent. You can pay for essential work to be done and then take it from the rent as long as you provide receipts as long as you have asked your landlord to do the work and they haven't done it in a timely manner. I'm glad this strategy worked in your case but it could back fire for others. "
oh no worries i didnt have any intention of spending it and id of welcomed them taking me to court for it if they had wanted to go that route,did make me laugh though that they had no idea i paid cash just assumed i was paying dd |
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"I worked in social housing maintenance for almost ten years and definitely had my eyes opened much of which isn't pertinent to this particular discussion, however in regards to damp I visited many house's with serious damp issues.
"Generally"speaking the surveyor will throw it back at the tennant quoting " modern living" as the cause.
Overcrowding, open-plan buildings clothes drying on rads plus other stuff with the main cause being lack of ventilation and believe it or not over insulation preventing the property from breathing.
However in most circumstances we would treat the symptoms but not the cause.
They would definitely take rising damp seriously.
America takes black mould very seriously due to the way house's are constructed.
As many properties have gone down the wood and plasterboard construction in this country in recent years we are now seeing a massive surge in black mould problems.
Once it gets into the gyproc it's almost impossible to get out, you can surface clean.
Now once it gets behind and into the studwork it can go undetected and cause serious issues particularly people who have asthma or a similar condition.
I Haven't looked at the case other than the headlines but I wouldn't bet against the poor child having been an asthmatic.
Case's like this are going to re occur unless authorities start treating black mould with the same level of caution and severity as legionella.
And of course the bottom line is funding once again the poorest and most vulnerable suffer as a consequence! "
Regardless of what the surveyor throws back the onus is with the landlord to anticipate any eventuality that may arise from the lifestyle of the tenant as per Lord Dennings ruling that still applies today,but they won't tell you that. |
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For anyone suffering disrepair in social housing there are steps to always follow.
However,the way the system is set up it can become arduous, but they have to be fulfilled to get any kind of result..
1. Raise the issue/repair with the Housing Association or Council.
2.follow it up. The landlord has to undertake any 'reported' repair/issue within a 'reasonable' time,failure to do so can liable the landlord to court action.
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Problem is to many cases and not enough funding to deal with all no one wishes to hear these incidents but they occur and will continue to some of it is due to social and the breakdown of family support |
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"Problem is to many cases and not enough funding to deal with all no one wishes to hear these incidents but they occur and will continue to some of it is due to social and the breakdown of family support"
These people are paying rent! It's nothing to do with funding. How would family support stop mould growing? |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Maybe it's just me, but I've never understood why there's not a compliance register or set standard for landlords leasing their properties to local authorities/people in receipt of housing allowances?
Surely there has got to be a way to make cowboy landlords up their game or drive them out of town. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Maybe it's just me, but I've never understood why there's not a compliance register or set standard for landlords leasing their properties to local authorities/people in receipt of housing allowances?
Surely there has got to be a way to make cowboy landlords up their game or drive them out of town."
because jacob reece mog and his other ritch tory landlord friends vote it down/talk it out of time every time it is proposed in the house of commons .got to keep the donors happy and the plebs down dont ya know |
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"Maybe it's just me, but I've never understood why there's not a compliance register or set standard for landlords leasing their properties to local authorities/people in receipt of housing allowances?
Surely there has got to be a way to make cowboy landlords up their game or drive them out of town."
The problem is many of the cowboy landlords are social housing providers. Local authorities will often be complicit in avoiding/ignoring complaints made about HA'S too. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Maybe it's just me, but I've never understood why there's not a compliance register or set standard for landlords leasing their properties to local authorities/people in receipt of housing allowances?
Surely there has got to be a way to make cowboy landlords up their game or drive them out of town.
The problem is many of the cowboy landlords are social housing providers. Local authorities will often be complicit in avoiding/ignoring complaints made about HA'S too."
Yes, true. But I've never understood why landlords aren't required to register and sign agreements guaranteeing a minimum standard of accommodation to be maintained.
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"Maybe it's just me, but I've never understood why there's not a compliance register or set standard for landlords leasing their properties to local authorities/people in receipt of housing allowances?
Surely there has got to be a way to make cowboy landlords up their game or drive them out of town.
The problem is many of the cowboy landlords are social housing providers. Local authorities will often be complicit in avoiding/ignoring complaints made about HA'S too.
Yes, true. But I've never understood why landlords aren't required to register and sign agreements guaranteeing a minimum standard of accommodation to be maintained.
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The decent homes standard was supposed to apply, but it's little more than a joke..
As with this tragic death the spin has already started with the media and powers that be trying to put the emphasis on the private rented sector as being the main source of poor housing when in reality social housing is just as bad,and in some cases worse . This Childs has only highlighted this..
3 years ago Despatches made a documentary about one of the biggest HA's in the country titled Are housing associations the new landlords from hell? Every thing mentioned in this case was highlighted then and Jack shit happened..When you see Grove and Co piping up saying there will be change don't believe a word of it..They know exactly what the problems are and how to elevate much of them ,but won't.. |
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"Maybe it's just me, but I've never understood why there's not a compliance register or set standard for landlords leasing their properties to local authorities/people in receipt of housing allowances?
Surely there has got to be a way to make cowboy landlords up their game or drive them out of town.
The problem is many of the cowboy landlords are social housing providers. Local authorities will often be complicit in avoiding/ignoring complaints made about HA'S too.
Yes, true. But I've never understood why landlords aren't required to register and sign agreements guaranteeing a minimum standard of accommodation to be maintained.
The decent homes standard was supposed to apply, but it's little more than a joke..
As with this tragic death the spin has already started with the media and powers that be trying to put the emphasis on the private rented sector as being the main source of poor housing when in reality social housing is just as bad,and in some cases worse . This Childs has only highlighted this..
3 years ago Despatches made a documentary about one of the biggest HA's in the country titled Are housing associations the new landlords from hell? Every thing mentioned in this case was highlighted then and Jack shit happened..When you see Grove and Co piping up saying there will be change don't believe a word of it..They know exactly what the problems are and how to elevate much of them ,but won't.. "
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I work In alot of social housing and you do also need to look at the way some of it is treated.
One of the big problems is also the age of the housing stock lots in sussex is over 40 years old, with years of neglect. Asbestos is also a problem in flooring and textured coatings. Making repairs more costly. |
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"I work In alot of social housing and you do also need to look at the way some of it is treated.
One of the big problems is also the age of the housing stock lots in sussex is over 40 years old, with years of neglect. Asbestos is also a problem in flooring and textured coatings. Making repairs more costly. "
Lack of reinvestment is the main problem with existing housing stock..Yet the HA's are posting significant surplus,profit in any other name.. |
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Not sure about your local itv news program, but the sussex one seemed to run a story on these types of places at least once a week.
I would like to think, that would be the last tragedy. But I very much doubt it. |
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