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"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ? "Mainly driven by the increase I student visas and Ukrainians. I dont think we have a problem taking in people fleeing warzones and being genuine refugees. | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ? "Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise? | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
"No, do you ? | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
"Of course not, that would require reading  | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
Of course not, that would require reading " | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
No, do you ? "Nope, I was hoping you did as you asked the question if this what "Brexiteers voted for". That gives the appearance of understanding further detail. | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
No, do you ?
Nope, I was hoping you did as you asked the question if this what "Brexiteers voted for".
That gives the appearance of understanding further detail."I welcome migration, I am not complaining about the figures, it was a simple question, are Brexit voters happy with todays net migration figures ? | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
No, do you ?
Nope, I was hoping you did as you asked the question if this what "Brexiteers voted for".
That gives the appearance of understanding further detail.
I welcome migration, I am not complaining about the figures, it was a simple question, are Brexit voters happy with todays net migration figures ? "Do you want this question answered or the first one because they're very different questions. | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
No, do you ?
Nope, I was hoping you did as you asked the question if this what "Brexiteers voted for".
That gives the appearance of understanding further detail.
I welcome migration, I am not complaining about the figures, it was a simple question, are Brexit voters happy with todays net migration figures ?
Do you want this question answered or the first one because they're very different questions."Very different, cracking isn't it | |||
"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ?
Do you know how those figures are made up and what the actual reason is for the rise?
No, do you ?
Nope, I was hoping you did as you asked the question if this what "Brexiteers voted for".
That gives the appearance of understanding further detail.
I welcome migration, I am not complaining about the figures, it was a simple question, are Brexit voters happy with todays net migration figures ?
Do you want this question answered or the first one because they're very different questions.
Very different, cracking isn't it "It's fun though. I've got time to burn today | |||
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"606,000 , not including asylum seekers, is this what Brexiteers voted for ? "Btw In calendar year 2023 net migration was 606,000, up from 488,000 in 2021. While the coverage of the numbers (now including asylum seekers? Your bit on asylum seekers contradicts even the left wing jd portes? | |||
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"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now." We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks. "And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here. | |||
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"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here."Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement. | |||
"That level of immigration is unsustainable if we want to preserve our national identity, culture and values. We have to ask why immigration at that level is necessary. Do we need low paid workers just so Brits can live comfortably on state benefits?" National identity, culture and values change with time. Always have, always will. And long May that be the case | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement."We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here."This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on. Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life. And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve. | |||
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"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve."Sounds simple doesn’t it? Why do you think it hasn’t been done? | |||
"Get your dependants ready for Sharia law then " Tommy Robinson has entered the chat. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
Sounds simple doesn’t it? Why do you think it hasn’t been done?"I'm not sure you really want my views on that | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here."Their country tries can train them. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Their country tries can train them. "Train them in the hope that they travel to the U.K and help us? Seems….unlikely. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here."Neither is any particular g7 or Western society. But we do. Because we are the 1st world and people want to come here. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Their country tries can train them.
Train them in the hope that they travel to the U.K and help us?
Seems….unlikely."Why not we have done it for years. Many of our professionals move to Australia new zelaand etc. They make more money here to send home. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Their country tries can train them.
Train them in the hope that they travel to the U.K and help us?
Seems….unlikely.
Why not we have done it for years. Many of our professionals move to Australia new zelaand etc.
They make more money here to send home."Except, and wait for it, this is the funny part - a sizeable chunk of the population doesn’t want them here. And the government pander that the xenophobic base with nonsense about small boats and deportations. It’s as if we’re ruled by idiots and populated overwhelmingly by the gullible, or something. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Their country tries can train them.
Train them in the hope that they travel to the U.K and help us?
Seems….unlikely.
Why not we have done it for years. Many of our professionals move to Australia new zelaand etc.
They make more money here to send home.
Except, and wait for it, this is the funny part - a sizeable chunk of the population doesn’t want them here. And the government pander that the xenophobic base with nonsense about small boats and deportations.
It’s as if we’re ruled by idiots and populated overwhelmingly by the gullible, or something.
"Are there any stipulations that should be applied to UK immigration from your perspective, or do you believe in an open door policy? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Their country tries can train them.
Train them in the hope that they travel to the U.K and help us?
Seems….unlikely.
Why not we have done it for years. Many of our professionals move to Australia new zelaand etc.
They make more money here to send home.
Except, and wait for it, this is the funny part - a sizeable chunk of the population doesn’t want them here. And the government pander that the xenophobic base with nonsense about small boats and deportations.
It’s as if we’re ruled by idiots and populated overwhelmingly by the gullible, or something.
"Feel free to define sizeable chunk.and post evidence. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Their country tries can train them.
Train them in the hope that they travel to the U.K and help us?
Seems….unlikely.
Why not we have done it for years. Many of our professionals move to Australia new zelaand etc.
They make more money here to send home.
Except, and wait for it, this is the funny part - a sizeable chunk of the population doesn’t want them here. And the government pander that the xenophobic base with nonsense about small boats and deportations.
It’s as if we’re ruled by idiots and populated overwhelmingly by the gullible, or something.
Feel free to define sizeable chunk.and post evidence."Recent polling suggests that 44% want immigration reduced, including 22% who want immigrations reduced ‘a lot’ I’d say 1 in 5 is substantial | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve."You want reciprocity with third world countries? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries? "Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal."How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan? "I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all"I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity. I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps. "You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Their country tries can train them.
Train them in the hope that they travel to the U.K and help us?
Seems….unlikely.
Why not we have done it for years. Many of our professionals move to Australia new zelaand etc.
They make more money here to send home.
Except, and wait for it, this is the funny part - a sizeable chunk of the population doesn’t want them here. And the government pander that the xenophobic base with nonsense about small boats and deportations.
It’s as if we’re ruled by idiots and populated overwhelmingly by the gullible, or something.
Feel free to define sizeable chunk.and post evidence.
Recent polling suggests that 44% want immigration reduced, including 22% who want immigrations reduced ‘a lot’
I’d say 1 in 5 is substantial"Have you got the study? Doesn't want them here. So by that you don't mean 0 immigration them? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all"Ah gotcha. IMO an open door policy absolutely cannot work. A points based system that is dynamic and quickly flexes to support skills needs in the UK (inc low skilled) is the only sensible approach. However, this has to work in tandem with an education system and benefits system that prioritises skills development of Brits to ensure the skills gaps are minimised AND also recognises negative indigenous population growth and therefore the requirement for a suitable sized workforce. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
Ah gotcha.
IMO an open door policy absolutely cannot work. A points based system that is dynamic and quickly flexes to support skills needs in the UK (inc low skilled) is the only sensible approach. However, this has to work in tandem with an education system and benefits system that prioritises skills development of Brits to ensure the skills gaps are minimised AND also recognises negative indigenous population growth and therefore the requirement for a suitable sized workforce. "We're you an advocate for this inside the e.u too? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
Ah gotcha.
IMO an open door policy absolutely cannot work. A points based system that is dynamic and quickly flexes to support skills needs in the UK (inc low skilled) is the only sensible approach. However, this has to work in tandem with an education system and benefits system that prioritises skills development of Brits to ensure the skills gaps are minimised AND also recognises negative indigenous population growth and therefore the requirement for a suitable sized workforce. "I agree with you 100%. Even without the education and benefits systems (although I agree with those) I would take a points based system that is quickly adaptable to support needed skills. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though."We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’ | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’ "We were open door. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’ "Regards EU, it was reciprocal so I had no issue with it. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door."Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do). | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
Ah gotcha.
IMO an open door policy absolutely cannot work. A points based system that is dynamic and quickly flexes to support skills needs in the UK (inc low skilled) is the only sensible approach. However, this has to work in tandem with an education system and benefits system that prioritises skills development of Brits to ensure the skills gaps are minimised AND also recognises negative indigenous population growth and therefore the requirement for a suitable sized workforce.
We're you an advocate for this inside the e.u too?"It was less necessary within the EU due to the relative wealth of the member states. A person from Poland may have been economically better off moving to the UK but it bears no comparison to the huge uplift for someone coming to the UK from a third world country. And as Feisty has been saying, it was fully reciprocated as Brits could just as easily move to Poland. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do)."We could only deport in some very extreme cases. Which often involved criminal records. You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
Ah gotcha.
IMO an open door policy absolutely cannot work. A points based system that is dynamic and quickly flexes to support skills needs in the UK (inc low skilled) is the only sensible approach. However, this has to work in tandem with an education system and benefits system that prioritises skills development of Brits to ensure the skills gaps are minimised AND also recognises negative indigenous population growth and therefore the requirement for a suitable sized workforce.
We're you an advocate for this inside the e.u too?
It was less necessary within the EU due to the relative wealth of the member states. A person from Poland may have been economically better off moving to the UK but it bears no comparison to the huge uplift for someone coming to the UK from a third world country. And as Feisty has been saying, it was fully reciprocated as Brits could just as easily move to Poland. "Relative wealth? Poland certainly wasn't wealthy when it joined. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement."I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy. I was correct. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
Ah gotcha.
IMO an open door policy absolutely cannot work. A points based system that is dynamic and quickly flexes to support skills needs in the UK (inc low skilled) is the only sensible approach. However, this has to work in tandem with an education system and benefits system that prioritises skills development of Brits to ensure the skills gaps are minimised AND also recognises negative indigenous population growth and therefore the requirement for a suitable sized workforce.
We're you an advocate for this inside the e.u too?
It was less necessary within the EU due to the relative wealth of the member states. A person from Poland may have been economically better off moving to the UK but it bears no comparison to the huge uplift for someone coming to the UK from a third world country. And as Feisty has been saying, it was fully reciprocated as Brits could just as easily move to Poland.
Relative wealth? Poland certainly wasn't wealthy when it joined."Poland is a fine example of what a success the EU is. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct. "What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
Ah gotcha.
IMO an open door policy absolutely cannot work. A points based system that is dynamic and quickly flexes to support skills needs in the UK (inc low skilled) is the only sensible approach. However, this has to work in tandem with an education system and benefits system that prioritises skills development of Brits to ensure the skills gaps are minimised AND also recognises negative indigenous population growth and therefore the requirement for a suitable sized workforce.
We're you an advocate for this inside the e.u too?
It was less necessary within the EU due to the relative wealth of the member states. A person from Poland may have been economically better off moving to the UK but it bears no comparison to the huge uplift for someone coming to the UK from a third world country. And as Feisty has been saying, it was fully reciprocated as Brits could just as easily move to Poland.
Relative wealth? Poland certainly wasn't wealthy when it joined."1. Wealthier than say Somalia! 2. Pretty wealthy now which supports the objective of the EU to raise up the poorer member states towards parity with the wealthier member states and... 3. Helps build a wealthier and larger consumer market. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?"They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law."They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place."Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically. "We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
"You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically. We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
"Until they are processed, they have no right to be here. Do you honestly think the population as a whole is gonna go for your policy? Alternatively we could stop paying people benefits and actually make them work. There's a perfectly good workforce here, we're just too scared to force it. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
"In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
Until they are processed, they have no right to be here.
Do you honestly think the population as a whole is gonna go for your policy?
Alternatively we could stop paying people benefits and actually make them work. There's a perfectly good workforce here, we're just too scared to force it."What percentage of benefits claimants are fit to work? Part time? Full time? Travel needs? Family care? Presumably you’ve analysed this? I happen to know a benefits claim assessor very well, it’s a very in-depth role which I suspect you’ve oversimplified through ignorance (no fault of your own, obvs) | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct. "Freedom of movement is exactly as it says. Freedom to move and work. That's an open door policy. It's in the treaties. Why bring up schenghen? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
Until they are processed, they have no right to be here.
Do you honestly think the population as a whole is gonna go for your policy?
Alternatively we could stop paying people benefits and actually make them work. There's a perfectly good workforce here, we're just too scared to force it.
What percentage of benefits claimants are fit to work? Part time? Full time? Travel needs? Family care? Presumably you’ve analysed this?
I happen to know a benefits claim assessor very well, it’s a very in-depth role which I suspect you’ve oversimplified through ignorance (no fault of your own, obvs) "Of course I have over-simplified it. I happen to know plenty of people who are fit to work but refuse to because they have 'mental health issues'. Let me ask the same question in reverse though. What percentage of asylum seekers are fit to work? What travel arrangements do they have? Presumably you've analysed this  | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically. "So you want to scrap laws around background checks and rights to work I the uk? You want de regulation of the work place? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
Freedom of movement is exactly as it says.
Freedom to move and work.
That's an open door policy.
It's in the treaties.
Why bring up schenghen?"Freedom of movement to non-Schengen nations still requires checks on arrival or departure, and can result in refusal of entry. Schengen doesn’t. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?"His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
"My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations. | |||
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"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations. "The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010. | |||
"There are some very interesting replies on here, however, to answer the OP , is this the Brexit people voted for (massive increase in net immigration) " I voted simply for co trolled and skilled immigration. Given the main driver is student visas which run out after 5 years . The recalculation of last year's visas and emigration And refugees It's a non issue for me. No problem with genuine refugees. I assume once Ukraine is free( we hope it is one day) they will go back. | |||
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"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010."I'm going to assume 2010 is the measurement for a very good reason. I mean immigration hasn't just been since 2010 surely? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations. "If a person should not be in the country they will be deported, why is that cruel? | |||
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"There are some very interesting replies on here, however, to answer the OP , is this the Brexit people voted for (massive increase in net immigration) I voted simply for co trolled and skilled immigration. Given the main driver is student visas which run out after 5 years . The recalculation of last year's visas and emigration And refugees It's a non issue for me. No problem with genuine refugees. I assume once Ukraine is free( we hope it is one day) they will go back." 114,000 from Ukraine 52,000 from Hong Kong | |||
"Can we address the poi to that I think you skipped. Just want your acknowledgment please. The 606k INCLUDES asylum seekers. ‘The number doesn't include everybody who arrived in small boats, but the Home Office estimates about 90% of people who arrive that way go on to seek asylum’ "So we can add maybe 4k people then taking the number to 610k. | |||
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"That level of immigration is unsustainable if we want to preserve our national identity, culture and values. We have to ask why immigration at that level is necessary. Do we need low paid workers just so Brits can live comfortably on state benefits? National identity, culture and values change with time. Always have, always will. And long May that be the case" Indeed, but that change needs to be gradual and in accordance with the wishes of the existing population. Increasing the UK population through immigration by around 1% year on year is a recipe for disaster. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010."Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south.  | |||
"It is considered a major setback for Prime Minister Rishi Sunak who has been under pressure to deliver a 2019 Tory manifesto pledge to cut net migration. Appearing on ITV's This Morning, Mr Sunak said the numbers were "too high" but denied they were out of control." It's no more out of control than it was before. If we discount HK & Ukraine then net migration is lower than 2021. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010.
Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south. "It is far more difficult to get to Australia than the UK | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010.
Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south.
It is far more difficult to get to Australia than the UK "Difficult yes but they still get there. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010.
Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south.
It is far more difficult to get to Australia than the UK
Difficult yes but they still get there."In very small numbers | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010.
Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south.
It is far more difficult to get to Australia than the UK
Difficult yes but they still get there.
In very small numbers "Do you agree that controlled migration actually works better for a countries economy. | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010.
Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south.
It is far more difficult to get to Australia than the UK
Difficult yes but they still get there.
In very small numbers
Do you agree that controlled migration actually works better for a countries economy."We have got controlled immigration | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010.
Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south.
It is far more difficult to get to Australia than the UK
Difficult yes but they still get there.
In very small numbers
Do you agree that controlled migration actually works better for a countries economy."The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? | |||
"Welcome to them. Let’s let them work, pay taxes, contribute to society. Maybe we could actually get some social housing built, hospitals etc and start to claw our way out of the mess we’re in now. We hope. Controlled immigration is what most brexiteers voted for They'll have the skill set to complete tasks.
And if they don’t, we should train them. We’re not in a position to beg, here.
Absolutely not, unskilled workers via uncontrolled immigration is not fanciable. Not unless the countries they would be coming from offer a reciprocal agreement.
We have an aging population, a housing crisis and pensions crisis. Once again, we’re not in a position to beg here.
This is where I say, quite clearly, I couldn't give a fuck, uncontrolled immigration without reciprocation is not on.
Train our youngsters, offer the incentives that it would cost us for others etc. Not only would it help our own youngsters by training them, it could also get them off benefits and give them a better life.
And yes this is me wearing my heart on my sleeve.
You want reciprocity with third world countries?
Absolutely, if it's an open door it must be reciprocal.
How many Brits do you expect to move to Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan?
I'm not sure that really matters. If there was an open door policy then I'd want it in return.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of such a policy but it was a counter to fun fellas open door for all
I don’t recall suggesting an open door for all - though I do support moves towards free-movement across the globe - for the good of humanity.
I just said immigrants are welcome and we should look to use them, for work, tax paying and the benefit of society, rather than screaming ‘deport’ and stuffing them in camps.
You advocated an open door policy saying we could train them here. Further stating 'were not in a positionto beg', I think you meant 'beggars can't be choosers' though.
We have never had open door immigration to the U.K (at least not in the last century). Even as an EU member we weren’t ‘open door’
We were open door.
Nope. We weren’t in Schengen and we had deportation rights (as indeed all EU nations do).
We could only deport in some very extreme cases.
Which often involved criminal records.
You don't need schenghen for freedom of movement.
I didn’t say you needed Schengen for freedom of movement. I said we didn’t have an open door policy.
I was correct.
What is let's welcome them and train them, without any context if it isn't open door?
They’re here now - the statistics tell us. So let’s put them to use. And if they can’t or won’t support themselves for a period (say 90 days), then they can be deported as we were able to do under EU law.
They can't legally work until their claims are processed. We don't even know if they're legit until said process has taken place.
Exactly. The system needs streamlining. Rather than having people sitting around endlessly costing money, let’s change things radically.
We've been through all of this before. How do you verify people who have no identification and fabricate stories?
You allocate them work ID whilst their applications are processed. This ain’t an unsolvable problem, think radically.
We need a workforce, correct? What use does locking people in camps have? Let’s get them to work.
In essence you would allow unvetted people into the country with a permit to work? How would that work in terms of ensuring the person was of no risk, how would tax and NI be collected, bank account opened?
His answer seems to be that you can arrive here illegally. And the uk should just fast track you a working visa without ID. And thus de regulate the work place.
My answer is that the shit-show we live in isn’t working, and hasn’t worked since 2010, so let’s have a look at ways to make it work, without unnecessary, expensive and cruel deportations.
The shit show based on your assumptions on freedom of.movement has been around long before 2010.
Australia has a regulated legal asylum system ie: they drag illegal asylum seekers back from were they came from and their economy is outgrowing the other members of the g7, low migration works down south.
It is far more difficult to get to Australia than the UK
Difficult yes but they still get there.
In very small numbers
Do you agree that controlled migration actually works better for a countries economy.
The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? "I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly. | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly. "both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why. The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time. | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time. "It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth."You must be furious with these new figures then? | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then? "Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason. | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
"So your happy with the 600,000 | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000 "What response are you fishing for? Are you happy with that number? | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
What response are you fishing for?
Are you happy with that number?"I wasn’t talking to you | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000 "Are you pissed that I am not.? | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?"Furious * | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?"Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable "He didn't say the number leaves a bad taste  | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable "Yes, do you ? | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
What response are you fishing for?
Are you happy with that number?
I wasn’t talking to you "But I was talking to you... | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable "Opinion | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable
Opinion "Do you think illegal migration is acceptable.? | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable
Opinion
Do you think illegal migration is acceptable.?"Illegal? No, but that is a small percentage of those arriving here , I was referring to the overall figure of 600,000 | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable
Opinion
Do you think illegal migration is acceptable.?
Illegal? No, but that is a small percentage of those arriving here , I was referring to the overall figure of 600,000 "The 600k is acceptable and the country benefits, the illegal immigrants cost a couple of million a day, | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable
Opinion
Do you think illegal migration is acceptable.?
Illegal? No, but that is a small percentage of those arriving here , I was referring to the overall figure of 600,000
The 600k is acceptable and the country benefits, the illegal immigrants cost a couple of million a day, "Probably cost far more, 178,000 are waiting to be processed | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable
Opinion
Do you think illegal migration is acceptable.?
Illegal? No, but that is a small percentage of those arriving here , I was referring to the overall figure of 600,000 "Now that you are back. Can you please correct your original claim the 600k INCLUDES illegal migrants. That's about 13% | |||
"The issue goes deeper than that. We have to understand why we need +600,000 immigrants in a year. Why do we need ANY immigration? I know, pick veg and pay for the pensioners pension. I got that off a left wing commentator on the telly.
both of these comments are interesting. when you question why we need immigration it is often met with hostility, but the question is valid, what can't we fulfil ourselves and why.
The second part, pick veg and pay for pensions is the bit that makes me feel more uneasy. The same people who are hostile towards questioning why we need immigration often say they can do the work we don't want to do, that makes the whole thing feel very wrong, like stepping back in time.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
You must be furious with these new figures then?
Legal migration is ok. those who have applied to stay legally have a purpose and a reason.
So your happy with the 600,000
Are you pissed that I am not.?
Not at all, it was a question, in your option , do you think the net migration figures are acceptable
Opinion
Do you think illegal migration is acceptable.?
Illegal? No, but that is a small percentage of those arriving here , I was referring to the overall figure of 600,000
Now that you are back.
Can you please correct your original claim the 600k INCLUDES illegal migrants. That's about 13%"No, | |||
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"As the OP states, 606k is the NET figure for immigration. Remember that GROSS immigration (i.e. new arrivals) is actually 1.2 mil. That's an absurd level of inward migration and completely unsustainable. We have to be clear what level of immigration is needed, then stick to it. " 557k left in 2022. This breaks down as 92k Brits, 202k EU Nationals and 263k Non-EU Nationals. Not sure on the figures entering although I'm sure there was around 250k Refugees including small boats. | |||
"As the OP states, 606k is the NET figure for immigration. Remember that GROSS immigration (i.e. new arrivals) is actually 1.2 mil. That's an absurd level of inward migration and completely unsustainable. We have to be clear what level of immigration is needed, then stick to it. 557k left in 2022. This breaks down as 92k Brits, 202k EU Nationals and 263k Non-EU Nationals. Not sure on the figures entering although I'm sure there was around 250k Refugees including small boats." Yes, about right. But that still begs the question why do we NEED around 1 mil. economic migrants? It tells me there is something very wrong with our society if we must rely on that level of immigration to keep us ticking-over. | |||
"As the OP states, 606k is the NET figure for immigration. Remember that GROSS immigration (i.e. new arrivals) is actually 1.2 mil. That's an absurd level of inward migration and completely unsustainable. We have to be clear what level of immigration is needed, then stick to it. 557k left in 2022. This breaks down as 92k Brits, 202k EU Nationals and 263k Non-EU Nationals. Not sure on the figures entering although I'm sure there was around 250k Refugees including small boats. Yes, about right. But that still begs the question why do we NEED around 1 mil. economic migrants? It tells me there is something very wrong with our society if we must rely on that level of immigration to keep us ticking-over. " I don't think we do NEED that number. There is 1.3m people unemployed and 1.1m vacancies. There are 8.73 million people aged 16-64 were economically inactive. Those are obviously inactive for varying reason but really, nearly 9m people of prime age cannot or do not work due to personal circumstances. This includes early retirement, students, long term illness and carers. | |||
"As the OP states, 606k is the NET figure for immigration. Remember that GROSS immigration (i.e. new arrivals) is actually 1.2 mil. That's an absurd level of inward migration and completely unsustainable. We have to be clear what level of immigration is needed, then stick to it. 557k left in 2022. This breaks down as 92k Brits, 202k EU Nationals and 263k Non-EU Nationals. Not sure on the figures entering although I'm sure there was around 250k Refugees including small boats. Yes, about right. But that still begs the question why do we NEED around 1 mil. economic migrants? It tells me there is something very wrong with our society if we must rely on that level of immigration to keep us ticking-over. I don't think we do NEED that number. There is 1.3m people unemployed and 1.1m vacancies. There are 8.73 million people aged 16-64 were economically inactive. Those are obviously inactive for varying reason but really, nearly 9m people of prime age cannot or do not work due to personal circumstances. This includes early retirement, students, long term illness and carers." I think a lot more research needs to be done in this space to understand what is happening here. If someone genuinely cannot work due to ill health of a disability then they need to be discounted from the figures. If someone has retired early because they can afford to retire early, who are we or the Govt to tell them they need to rejoin the workforce? What we really need to get a figure for are the shirkers and lazy work avoiders. Then we need to see how that maps geographically with the job vacancies (we will also likely find there are some areas where people rely on seasonal work but are unemployed the rest of the year). | |||
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"As the OP states, 606k is the NET figure for immigration. Remember that GROSS immigration (i.e. new arrivals) is actually 1.2 mil. That's an absurd level of inward migration and completely unsustainable. We have to be clear what level of immigration is needed, then stick to it. 557k left in 2022. This breaks down as 92k Brits, 202k EU Nationals and 263k Non-EU Nationals. Not sure on the figures entering although I'm sure there was around 250k Refugees including small boats. Yes, about right. But that still begs the question why do we NEED around 1 mil. economic migrants? It tells me there is something very wrong with our society if we must rely on that level of immigration to keep us ticking-over. I don't think we do NEED that number. There is 1.3m people unemployed and 1.1m vacancies. There are 8.73 million people aged 16-64 were economically inactive. Those are obviously inactive for varying reason but really, nearly 9m people of prime age cannot or do not work due to personal circumstances. This includes early retirement, students, long term illness and carers. I think a lot more research needs to be done in this space to understand what is happening here. If someone genuinely cannot work due to ill health of a disability then they need to be discounted from the figures. If someone has retired early because they can afford to retire early, who are we or the Govt to tell them they need to rejoin the workforce? What we really need to get a figure for are the shirkers and lazy work avoiders. Then we need to see how that maps geographically with the job vacancies (we will also likely find there are some areas where people rely on seasonal work but are unemployed the rest of the year)." The 8.7m people who are economically inactive are not included in the 1.3m unemployed figure. I had a discussion with someone yesterday re. Sickness, specifically MH but we can women it to all sickness. I would hazard a guess that a decent percentage of those 8.7m people are actually able to work, whether that be overcoming sickness, not actually having to be a carer, students working part time etc. Obviously genuine illness and retirement shouldn't be forced back into the market. I do agree that more research needs to go into it though. | |||
"There are approx 81000 people in prison, did someone say we need fruit and veg pickers? " You'll have people argue 'sl*ve labour', those same people don't argue against community payback though | |||
" I had a discussion with someone yesterday re. Sickness, specifically MH but we can women it to all sickness. " Women it ? | |||
" I had a discussion with someone yesterday re. Sickness, specifically MH but we can women it to all sickness. Women it ? " Damn it. Widen it | |||
" I had a discussion with someone yesterday re. Sickness, specifically MH but we can women it to all sickness. Women it ? Damn it. Widen it" | |||
"There are approx 81000 people in prison, did someone say we need fruit and veg pickers? You'll have people argue 'sl*ve labour', those same people don't argue against community payback though "I think we can appease those who are fault finding visionaries by giving the fruit picking prisoners a name that resonates with them. I have supplied a few for the poll: Environmental Harvest Heroes Sustainable Orchard Workers Nature's Gatherers Green Harvest Squad Sustainable Fruit Foragers Planet-Picking Posse Pick one and lets get them in fields | |||
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"Yes, about right. But that still begs the question why do we NEED around 1 mil. economic migrants? It tells me there is something very wrong with our society if we must rely on that level of immigration to keep us ticking-over. " Well, 361,000 of them were students. We don't *need* them, but it's good that they come and hand lots of money to our universities. And we can rely on most of them going back home after they've qualified. | |||
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"Yes, about right. But that still begs the question why do we NEED around 1 mil. economic migrants? It tells me there is something very wrong with our society if we must rely on that level of immigration to keep us ticking-over. Well, 361,000 of them were students. We don't *need* them, but it's good that they come and hand lots of money to our universities. And we can rely on most of them going back home after they've qualified." I read that overseas students bring around 100K family members into the country, and that arrangement is about to be stopped. | |||
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"So the actual immigration figure was about 1.2 million. What stands out to us is that 557,000 left the UK..." How does that compare to previous years? | |||
