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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. "but it shouldn't. It's our choices. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices."It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide .  | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . "so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be. "I’d discuss this with the rest of your countrymen then . Maybe vote to turn the country into another North Korea .  | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
I’d discuss this with the rest of your countrymen then . Maybe vote to turn the country into another North Korea . "How so? We have the power in 2a if we choose to . What does North Korea have again? | |||
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"Because they are terrified of Trump 2024 "seems so. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be. "Like it or not, the USA is the world’s largest superpower. The biggest rock thrown in the pond, spreading ripples farther and more prominently than anyone. | |||
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"Because they are terrified of Trump 2024 "Chuckling at his name being removed off of buildings, to be fair. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
Like it or not, the USA is the world’s largest superpower. The biggest rock thrown in the pond, spreading ripples farther and more prominently than anyone."so when I say I don't want to be the biggest Rock. You have issues with that. Step up let your country be the biggest Rock. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
Like it or not, the USA is the world’s largest superpower. The biggest rock thrown in the pond, spreading ripples farther and more prominently than anyone. so when I say I don't want to be the biggest Rock. You have issues with that. Step up let your country be the biggest Rock. "I hadn’t said anything of the sort. You have a very vivid imagination. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
Like it or not, the USA is the world’s largest superpower. The biggest rock thrown in the pond, spreading ripples farther and more prominently than anyone. so when I say I don't want to be the biggest Rock. You have issues with that. Step up let your country be the biggest Rock.
I hadn’t said anything of the sort. You have a very vivid imagination."so why not ? The UK was once a global power. Let me give that mantle back. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
Like it or not, the USA is the world’s largest superpower. The biggest rock thrown in the pond, spreading ripples farther and more prominently than anyone. so when I say I don't want to be the biggest Rock. You have issues with that. Step up let your country be the biggest Rock.
I hadn’t said anything of the sort. You have a very vivid imagination. so why not ? The UK was once a global power. Let me give that mantle back. "Err. Ok. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
I’d discuss this with the rest of your countrymen then . Maybe vote to turn the country into another North Korea . How so? We have the power in 2a if we choose to . What does North Korea have again? "I think they live their own little isolated bubble with as little interaction as they can possibly manage ( unless beneficial for them ) don’t think anyone apart from close neighbours worry about them ( USA maybe gives them to much attention ) | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
I’d discuss this with the rest of your countrymen then . Maybe vote to turn the country into another North Korea . How so? We have the power in 2a if we choose to . What does North Korea have again?
I think they live their own little isolated bubble with as little interaction as they can possibly manage ( unless beneficial for them ) don’t think anyone apart from close neighbours worry about them ( USA maybe gives them to much attention ) "I don't want this global attention. I prefer letting us living within our means . Fuck everyone else. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
I’d discuss this with the rest of your countrymen then . Maybe vote to turn the country into another North Korea . How so? We have the power in 2a if we choose to . What does North Korea have again?
I think they live their own little isolated bubble with as little interaction as they can possibly manage ( unless beneficial for them ) don’t think anyone apart from close neighbours worry about them ( USA maybe gives them to much attention ) I don't want this global attention. I prefer letting us living within our means . Fuck everyone else."There must be a small island somewhere in the world you can buy or inhabit then become self supporting . There are some off the Scottish coast . | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
Like it or not, the USA is the world’s largest superpower. The biggest rock thrown in the pond, spreading ripples farther and more prominently than anyone. so when I say I don't want to be the biggest Rock. You have issues with that. Step up let your country be the biggest Rock. "You guys need to do that yourself. Closing your 750 military bases around the world would be the first step. Then someone else will have to step into the vacuum. But I doubt it would be the UK. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
I’d discuss this with the rest of your countrymen then . Maybe vote to turn the country into another North Korea . How so? We have the power in 2a if we choose to . What does North Korea have again?
I think they live their own little isolated bubble with as little interaction as they can possibly manage ( unless beneficial for them ) don’t think anyone apart from close neighbours worry about them ( USA maybe gives them to much attention ) I don't want this global attention. I prefer letting us living within our means . Fuck everyone else.
There must be a small island somewhere in the world you can buy or inhabit then become self supporting . There are some off the Scottish coast . "I wish. People are fucking crazy. But it would be more of a tropic region. | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices.
It does as our businesses ( banks ) invest in your markets ( 2008 financial crash being prime example ) Me to and Black Lives Matter started in USA then spread world wide . so why are we the cornerstone for everyone? I don't want to be.
Like it or not, the USA is the world’s largest superpower. The biggest rock thrown in the pond, spreading ripples farther and more prominently than anyone. so when I say I don't want to be the biggest Rock. You have issues with that. Step up let your country be the biggest Rock.
You guys need to do that yourself.
Closing your 750 military bases around the world would be the first step.
Then someone else will have to step into the vacuum. But I doubt it would be the UK."I agree maybe then we can afford universal healthcare. Imagine the savings. | |||
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"Why? " The media here reports a lot about events in the US. So it's on people's minds. US foreign policy effects a lot of the world. US environmental policy also effects the rest of the world. The top one being, in my opinion, the biggest factor. | |||
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"TBH we are tired of being the global police. When Europe can handle themselves. We are tired of being looked down upon when we try and do the right thing for other nations. So it's time for us to step down and let you all sort your shit out between one another. " That would be excellent, please have a word with that old man in charge and get him to sort this shit out.  | |||
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"TBH we are tired of being the global police. When Europe can handle themselves. We are tired of being looked down upon when we try and do the right thing for other nations. So it's time for us to step down and let you all sort your shit out between one another. That would be excellent, please have a word with that old man in charge and get him to sort this shit out. "Yet you don't see Americans complaining about UK leadership. It's kind of a obsession in my eyes for some people there. So why is that ? Our projection of power that everyone there disdains ? I state I don't want that power anymore yet that's bad. | |||
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"TBH we are tired of being the global police. When Europe can handle themselves. We are tired of being looked down upon when we try and do the right thing for other nations. So it's time for us to step down and let you all sort your shit out between one another. That would be excellent, please have a word with that old man in charge and get him to sort this shit out. Yet you don't see Americans complaining about UK leadership. It's kind of a obsession in my eyes for some people there. So why is that ? Our projection of power that everyone there disdains ? I state I don't want that power anymore yet that's bad. "Do you get lots of British news in your media, like we get US news in ours? | |||
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"TBH we are tired of being the global police. When Europe can handle themselves. We are tired of being looked down upon when we try and do the right thing for other nations. So it's time for us to step down and let you all sort your shit out between one another. That would be excellent, please have a word with that old man in charge and get him to sort this shit out. Yet you don't see Americans complaining about UK leadership. It's kind of a obsession in my eyes for some people there. So why is that ? Our projection of power that everyone there disdains ? I state I don't want that power anymore yet that's bad.
Do you get lots of British news in your media, like we get US news in ours?"I read it to enlighten myself. The majority do not understand a tree getting cut down or a stabbing in croydon.if I mention a stabbing in Croydon here it would be considered a normalcy because Croydon is a city in Pennsylvania. It happens. It doesn't make headlines for the shock value. | |||
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"TBH we are tired of being the global police. When Europe can handle themselves. We are tired of being looked down upon when we try and do the right thing for other nations. So it's time for us to step down and let you all sort your shit out between one another. That would be excellent, please have a word with that old man in charge and get him to sort this shit out. Yet you don't see Americans complaining about UK leadership. It's kind of a obsession in my eyes for some people there. So why is that ? Our projection of power that everyone there disdains ? I state I don't want that power anymore yet that's bad.
Do you get lots of British news in your media, like we get US news in ours? I read it to enlighten myself. The majority do not understand a tree getting cut down or a stabbing in croydon.if I mention a stabbing in Croydon here it would be considered a normalcy because Croydon is a city in Pennsylvania. It happens. It doesn't make headlines for the shock value."Relative to Pennsylvania, Croydon has a crime rate that is higher than 85% of the state's cities and towns of all sizes. Importantly, when you compare Croydon to other communities of similar population, then Croydon crime rate (violent and property crimes combined) is quite a bit higher than average. It must be a Croydon thing. | |||
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"TBH we are tired of being the global police. When Europe can handle themselves. We are tired of being looked down upon when we try and do the right thing for other nations. So it's time for us to step down and let you all sort your shit out between one another. " Then vote in a party that has that mandate. | |||
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"Because they are terrified of Trump 2024
Chuckling at his name being removed off of buildings, to be fair. "Sounds like a right laugh | |||
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"Why? " You will find it is not just other countries politics, it is anyone or anything that does not conform to the the narrow minded amongst us.... We are a nation of curtain twitchers and have some of the worlds most single minded people. You can spot them a mile off, they blame everything on a government and yet want governments to make all the choices and that is what leads them to criticise other countries governments. | |||
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"So… are you or am I going to explain to these lovely people in Britain the impending government shutdown….. " Government is going to shutdown because they can't make concessions on funding for Ukraine and border security. | |||
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"That kind of reminds me of NI and their parliament being unable to function because of Unionist politicians refusing to play the game. Do Republicans see it as just a financial issue about Ukraine? I also wonder if the Hunter Biden stories have made it acceptable to them to now dump Ukraine? It’s hard to fathom where this goes from here but I am pretty sure it won’t be good for Europe or Africa if Russia win this thing" 55% of American voters don't want any more funding going to Ukraine. | |||
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"That kind of reminds me of NI and their parliament being unable to function because of Unionist politicians refusing to play the game. Do Republicans see it as just a financial issue about Ukraine? I also wonder if the Hunter Biden stories have made it acceptable to them to now dump Ukraine? It’s hard to fathom where this goes from here but I am pretty sure it won’t be good for Europe or Africa if Russia win this thing 55% of American voters don't want any more funding going to Ukraine." The US has large Military budget and a huge Military complex. This military complex has a huge political power and employs a lot of people. What would the point of continuing it, if you want to withdraw from the world stage. Would it allow itself to be shrunk..? | |||
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"I believe what happens in America affects the rest of the world, be it for good or bad. but it shouldn't. It's our choices."But it will. The US is an economic superpower, what happens there will influence and affect what happens in smaller countries. Biden won the last presidential election, as a result NATO and Europe know they have a strong proponent on European security. If Trump wins, that goes. European and NATO states may then recognise the need to raise defence spending, perhaps beyond the 2% target. In addition to that, there could be increased tariffs back and forwards. How Trump would respond to the barbaric extension of the Russian invasion of Ukraine would also affect the West, and beyond. I doubt he'll be able to secure peace but the grain deal could be implemented again. This will be something Russia may be quietly keen to do given how unsafe the Black Sea fleet are. That's just focused on the Western world, relations with China could deteriorate. The US has a choice but in our interconnected world, the ripples will reach far beyond its shores. | |||
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"That kind of reminds me of NI and their parliament being unable to function because of Unionist politicians refusing to play the game. Do Republicans see it as just a financial issue about Ukraine? I also wonder if the Hunter Biden stories have made it acceptable to them to now dump Ukraine? It’s hard to fathom where this goes from here but I am pretty sure it won’t be good for Europe or Africa if Russia win this thing 55% of American voters don't want any more funding going to Ukraine. The US has large Military budget and a huge Military complex. This military complex has a huge political power and employs a lot of people. What would the point of continuing it, if you want to withdraw from the world stage. Would it allow itself to be shrunk..?" we can still sell our military tech. Poland just invested a lot into their national defense by buying American made equipment. | |||
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"TBH we are tired of being the global police. When Europe can handle themselves. We are tired of being looked down upon when we try and do the right thing for other nations. So it's time for us to step down and let you all sort your shit out between one another. That would be excellent, please have a word with that old man in charge and get him to sort this shit out. Yet you don't see Americans complaining about UK leadership. It's kind of a obsession in my eyes for some people there. So why is that ? Our projection of power that everyone there disdains ? I state I don't want that power anymore yet that's bad.
Do you get lots of British news in your media, like we get US news in ours? I read it to enlighten myself. The majority do not understand a tree getting cut down or a stabbing in croydon.if I mention a stabbing in Croydon here it would be considered a normalcy because Croydon is a city in Pennsylvania. It happens. It doesn't make headlines for the shock value."There's your answer. Our media is packed full of US news. | |||
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"That kind of reminds me of NI and their parliament being unable to function because of Unionist politicians refusing to play the game. Do Republicans see it as just a financial issue about Ukraine? I also wonder if the Hunter Biden stories have made it acceptable to them to now dump Ukraine? It’s hard to fathom where this goes from here but I am pretty sure it won’t be good for Europe or Africa if Russia win this thing 55% of American voters don't want any more funding going to Ukraine. The US has large Military budget and a huge Military complex. This military complex has a huge political power and employs a lot of people. What would the point of continuing it, if you want to withdraw from the world stage. Would it allow itself to be shrunk..? we can still sell our military tech. Poland just invested a lot into their national defense by buying American made equipment." But wasn’t a lot of that based on them giving their old Migs to Ukraine and replacing them with American planes? So what Joe gives away with one hand in supporting Ukraine he gets back in the other through repeat orders from allies and therefore lots of American workers get to keep their jobs. How do the Republicans see that scenario? | |||
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"So… are you or am I going to explain to these lovely people in Britain the impending government shutdown….. Government is going to shutdown because they can't make concessions on funding for Ukraine and border security." That’s one way to describe what is going to happen There is going to government shutdown because the republicans between themselves can’t come up with a budget What normally happens is that the president proposes a budget of spending for the following year… and then the House of Representatives and the president negotiate on what can be spent…. They then vote on it in a budget bill… it then goes to the senate to be voted on ( or they can also request extra amendments to the bill) .. the senate votes on it… then goes to the president to sign the bill into law.. easy pesy What has happened this time is that president presented a bill…. And then negotiated an agreement with the leader of the house (who represents the largest party) Kevin McCarthy , on behalf of the largest party .. for a budget to be passed… So… okay… everything normal so far! Kevin McCarthy only has a majority of 8 in the house … which means that it only takes 4 of them to vote against it Mccarthy was so desperate to become speaker that as part of the deal he reduced the number of people it will take to call for a vote to get rid of him… it use to be 15, he agreed to reduce it to 1! Anyway… after the deal was agreed.. a bunch of about a dozen hard right house republicans decided they didn’t like the deal …. So because they won’t vote for a deal, .. we are at an impasse … no money… shutdown So… who is going to be affected….. Answer… about every federal employee! | |||
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"So… are you or am I going to explain to these lovely people in Britain the impending government shutdown….. Government is going to shutdown because they can't make concessions on funding for Ukraine and border security. That’s one way to describe what is going to happen There is going to government shutdown because the republicans between themselves can’t come up with a budget What normally happens is that the president proposes a budget of spending for the following year… and then the House of Representatives and the president negotiate on what can be spent…. They then vote on it in a budget bill… it then goes to the senate to be voted on ( or they can also request extra amendments to the bill) .. the senate votes on it… then goes to the president to sign the bill into law.. easy pesy What has happened this time is that president presented a bill…. And then negotiated an agreement with the leader of the house (who represents the largest party) Kevin McCarthy , on behalf of the largest party .. for a budget to be passed… So… okay… everything normal so far! Kevin McCarthy only has a majority of 8 in the house … which means that it only takes 4 of them to vote against it Mccarthy was so desperate to become speaker that as part of the deal he reduced the number of people it will take to call for a vote to get rid of him… it use to be 15, he agreed to reduce it to 1! Anyway… after the deal was agreed.. a bunch of about a dozen hard right house republicans decided they didn’t like the deal …. So because they won’t vote for a deal, .. we are at an impasse … no money… shutdown So… who is going to be affected….. Answer… about every federal employee! " Thanks for that Fabio Similar level of belligerence to that seen in NI then….but quite interesting how out on a limb McCarthy must have been if he had to put himself in such jeopardy to get it through…. I bet there’s a lot of anger at those republicans right now | |||
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"So… are you or am I going to explain to these lovely people in Britain the impending government shutdown….. Government is going to shutdown because they can't make concessions on funding for Ukraine and border security. That’s one way to describe what is going to happen There is going to government shutdown because the republicans between themselves can’t come up with a budget What normally happens is that the president proposes a budget of spending for the following year… and then the House of Representatives and the president negotiate on what can be spent…. They then vote on it in a budget bill… it then goes to the senate to be voted on ( or they can also request extra amendments to the bill) .. the senate votes on it… then goes to the president to sign the bill into law.. easy pesy What has happened this time is that president presented a bill…. And then negotiated an agreement with the leader of the house (who represents the largest party) Kevin McCarthy , on behalf of the largest party .. for a budget to be passed… So… okay… everything normal so far! Kevin McCarthy only has a majority of 8 in the house … which means that it only takes 4 of them to vote against it Mccarthy was so desperate to become speaker that as part of the deal he reduced the number of people it will take to call for a vote to get rid of him… it use to be 15, he agreed to reduce it to 1! Anyway… after the deal was agreed.. a bunch of about a dozen hard right house republicans decided they didn’t like the deal …. So because they won’t vote for a deal, .. we are at an impasse … no money… shutdown So… who is going to be affected….. Answer… about every federal employee! Thanks for that Fabio Similar level of belligerence to that seen in NI then….but quite interesting how out on a limb McCarthy must have been if he had to put himself in such jeopardy to get it through…. I bet there’s a lot of anger at those republicans right now" All they have to do is present a clean bill without Ukraine funding and it would pass. American people shouldn't be held hostage to giving Ukraine billions. | |||
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"That kind of reminds me of NI and their parliament being unable to function because of Unionist politicians refusing to play the game. Do Republicans see it as just a financial issue about Ukraine? I also wonder if the Hunter Biden stories have made it acceptable to them to now dump Ukraine? It’s hard to fathom where this goes from here but I am pretty sure it won’t be good for Europe or Africa if Russia win this thing 55% of American voters don't want any more funding going to Ukraine. The US has large Military budget and a huge Military complex. This military complex has a huge political power and employs a lot of people. What would the point of continuing it, if you want to withdraw from the world stage. Would it allow itself to be shrunk..? we can still sell our military tech. Poland just invested a lot into their national defense by buying American made equipment." Your Military budget is more than the next 10 biggest spenders combined your going to replace that by selling to other countries. Unless you are going to sell to Russia and China has well. | |||
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"That kind of reminds me of NI and their parliament being unable to function because of Unionist politicians refusing to play the game. Do Republicans see it as just a financial issue about Ukraine? I also wonder if the Hunter Biden stories have made it acceptable to them to now dump Ukraine? It’s hard to fathom where this goes from here but I am pretty sure it won’t be good for Europe or Africa if Russia win this thing 55% of American voters don't want any more funding going to Ukraine. The US has large Military budget and a huge Military complex. This military complex has a huge political power and employs a lot of people. What would the point of continuing it, if you want to withdraw from the world stage. Would it allow itself to be shrunk..? we can still sell our military tech. Poland just invested a lot into their national defense by buying American made equipment. Your Military budget is more than the next 10 biggest spenders combined your going to replace that by selling to other countries. Unless you are going to sell to Russia and China has well." * not going to replace it I meant. | |||
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"Why? You will find it is not just other countries politics, it is anyone or anything that does not conform to the the narrow minded amongst us.... We are a nation of curtain twitchers and have some of the worlds most single minded people. You can spot them a mile off, they blame everything on a government and yet want governments to make all the choices and that is what leads them to criticise other countries governments. " I prefer my explanation | |||
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"Why? " What fascination? How many threads on this first page relate to American politics? The thing is, from my experience of having three businesses in the USA and spending a great deal of time there, many Americans think wholly and solely about domestic issues and have to be “told” about which international issues should be important to them. In the rest of the world, we talk about domestic politics most of the time, but maintain a healthy sub-interest in what is going on everywhere else. Enough to feel suitably informed, not enough as per your suggestion that it is an obsession. | |||
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"It's probably because of more and more global US influence. Most entertainment media, movies, TV shows, games, etc... are made with a US audience in mind. As both countries speak English and fascinations over there tend to affect our media more so than other European countries." We do project alot of soft power in the UK compared to other European countries. | |||
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"Why are people interested in the politics of the most powerful country in the world, with who we share a language and a lot of culture and history? " it's not reciprocal. | |||
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"Why are people interested in the politics of the most powerful country in the world, with who we share a language and a lot of culture and history? it's not reciprocal." It's not because it's down to the media here churning out loads of US news. Plus the US is a much bigger and more powerful country, so we're obviously more interested in your stuff, than you are of ours. | |||
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"So… are you or am I going to explain to these lovely people in Britain the impending government shutdown….. " God please don’t x cannot believe we are at that impasse again | |||
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"So… are you or am I going to explain to these lovely people in Britain the impending government shutdown….. God please don’t x cannot believe we are at that impasse again" it passed the house it's off to the Senate. Without funding for Ukraine. | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that" It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents. | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents." Oh were they? Well that would be a first because we all know how much Congress and the Senate listen to constituents over their donors but hey I’m just a lil ol British person who knows nothing about how US govt works You know the US is a laughing stock around the world right now, don’t you? Let’s all pray for the people who were reliant on the bill passing for their paychecks, the poor and all the rest of the shit that now can’t get done because McCarthy can’t say boo to a goose without the goose laughing in his face What a fucking joke | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents. Oh were they? Well that would be a first because we all know how much Congress and the Senate listen to constituents over their donors but hey I’m just a lil ol British person who knows nothing about how US govt works You know the US is a laughing stock around the world right now, don’t you? Let’s all pray for the people who were reliant on the bill passing for their paychecks, the poor and all the rest of the shit that now can’t get done because McCarthy can’t say boo to a goose without the goose laughing in his face What a fucking joke " it's in the hands of the Democrats now who control the Senate. The major sticking point was Ukraine. When 55% of the American voters don't want to fund Ukraine the house listened did they not ? | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents. Oh were they? Well that would be a first because we all know how much Congress and the Senate listen to constituents over their donors but hey I’m just a lil ol British person who knows nothing about how US govt works You know the US is a laughing stock around the world right now, don’t you? Let’s all pray for the people who were reliant on the bill passing for their paychecks, the poor and all the rest of the shit that now can’t get done because McCarthy can’t say boo to a goose without the goose laughing in his face What a fucking joke it's in the hands of the Democrats now who control the Senate. The major sticking point was Ukraine. When 55% of the American voters don't want to fund Ukraine the house listened did they not ?" It passed | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. " ukraine wont be paying anything back they will just be handinng all there farm land and any industry they have left to us companys, they are gona become usa inc | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. ukraine wont be paying anything back they will just be handinng all there farm land and any industry they have left to us companys, they are gona become usa inc" Maybe but the key point is the war support is not a freeby. | |||
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"So quite a few years ago I met some American country musicians playing at a big show in London and a few of them came back to ours after the show. They were from Kentucky and were knowledgeable and interesting about music but they had very little interest in or understanding of the outside world, or anywhere outside of their home state which I found really surprising. It made me wonder whether we expect too much of the US citizens given that the USA is so enormous that many of them won’t get further than the next state in their lifetimes?" I'm sorry but this is nonsense. The US is big. Europe is big. Ask a German about the EU and they'll have a fair understanding, the same goes for Belgium, the Netherlands and central Europe. I wouldn't agree with them about everything but you'd expect them to know. The US is big. The Americans have no excuse. Ultimately, people believe what they want to believe and will vote accordingly. Europe views us like we view the US. Only quite soon, Germany won't look so sensible and ordinary. | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. " Being given and being loaned are two very different things. | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. " This us something that I was trying to understand the other day. All this equipment and supplies that is going to Ukraine from the west, is it being charged for, to be paid at a later date? Every time I hear an announcement it says donating to Ukraine which sounds like giving to Ukraine | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. This us something that I was trying to understand the other day. All this equipment and supplies that is going to Ukraine from the west, is it being charged for, to be paid at a later date? Every time I hear an announcement it says donating to Ukraine which sounds like giving to Ukraine" Exactly. And the countries who donate/give aren't doing it through altruism. They are doing it for security against WWIII and economical political advantages such as future trade. | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. This us something that I was trying to understand the other day. All this equipment and supplies that is going to Ukraine from the west, is it being charged for, to be paid at a later date? Every time I hear an announcement it says donating to Ukraine which sounds like giving to Ukraine" It might be a lot to do with rebuild programmes, costs a lot of money to rebuild a country. | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. This us something that I was trying to understand the other day. All this equipment and supplies that is going to Ukraine from the west, is it being charged for, to be paid at a later date? Every time I hear an announcement it says donating to Ukraine which sounds like giving to Ukraine It might be a lot to do with rebuild programmes, costs a lot of money to rebuild a country. " When they say military aid… some of it is direct weapons, but most of it is “money” that is given to spend on us weapon contractors | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents." That will be a first lol! US politics (similar to most countries politics) is corrupt. I recently saw an interesting speech given by Jennifer Lawrence to some kids. To get voted into power in the US, you have to raise around 14,ooo dollars A DAY...for 6 YEARS... (around $30M). Who has that kind of money? The big Corporations Pharma, Military equipment Manufacturing etc. So any political votes are influenced by whoever gave them their funding to get into power...and that certainly wasnt Mom and Pop in Hicksville was it? | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. " It's also a investment in the stability of Europe. Maybe Europe should do more not the US. Dig deeper into your wallets. | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents. Oh were they? Well that would be a first because we all know how much Congress and the Senate listen to constituents over their donors but hey I’m just a lil ol British person who knows nothing about how US govt works You know the US is a laughing stock around the world right now, don’t you? Let’s all pray for the people who were reliant on the bill passing for their paychecks, the poor and all the rest of the shit that now can’t get done because McCarthy can’t say boo to a goose without the goose laughing in his face What a fucking joke it's in the hands of the Democrats now who control the Senate. The major sticking point was Ukraine. When 55% of the American voters don't want to fund Ukraine the house listened did they not ?" The other thing that blu “forgot” to mention in the thread is that there were more democratic house members that voted for this bill than republicans In fact 90 republicans voted against the continuation resolution even after the Ukraine spending was taken out …. Number of democrats voting against..1 | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. Being given and being loaned are two very different things." There is a difference between gifted and given. A gift is not expected to be repaid. The Ukraine will have to repay the USA, Britain, EU etc over time. Russia will have to pay reparations. | |||
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"Funding Ukraine's freedom fight is an investment in the future for the USA. Whilst the Ukrainians die, the USA are selling weapon systems around the world instead of the Russians. The Russians, who have an ideology and dictatorial Government close to Trump's MAGA plans for 2024, are being weakened so they present less of a threat to the USA. And, please don't think Ukraine will not have to pay back what they have been given. Remember, the UK finally paid off their WW2 loans in 2006. Being given and being loaned are two very different things. There is a difference between gifted and given. A gift is not expected to be repaid. The Ukraine will have to repay the USA, Britain, EU etc over time. Russia will have to pay reparations. "  you and I must have different definitions of the verb to give. | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents. Oh were they? Well that would be a first because we all know how much Congress and the Senate listen to constituents over their donors but hey I’m just a lil ol British person who knows nothing about how US govt works You know the US is a laughing stock around the world right now, don’t you? Let’s all pray for the people who were reliant on the bill passing for their paychecks, the poor and all the rest of the shit that now can’t get done because McCarthy can’t say boo to a goose without the goose laughing in his face What a fucking joke it's in the hands of the Democrats now who control the Senate. The major sticking point was Ukraine. When 55% of the American voters don't want to fund Ukraine the house listened did they not ? It passed "Gaetz has said that he will call on a vote to remove McCarthy this week for making the deal to get the CR bill passed… It’s republican on republican crime….. | |||
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents. Oh were they? Well that would be a first because we all know how much Congress and the Senate listen to constituents over their donors but hey I’m just a lil ol British person who knows nothing about how US govt works You know the US is a laughing stock around the world right now, don’t you? Let’s all pray for the people who were reliant on the bill passing for their paychecks, the poor and all the rest of the shit that now can’t get done because McCarthy can’t say boo to a goose without the goose laughing in his face What a fucking joke it's in the hands of the Democrats now who control the Senate. The major sticking point was Ukraine. When 55% of the American voters don't want to fund Ukraine the house listened did they not ? It passed
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"JFC those fucking republicans Also why isn’t that Gaetz wanker in prison already? Although must admit am enjoying the Speaker’s minute by minute humiliation enormously- now there’s a haunted man elevated to a position vastly higher than his abilities But again JFC, those republicans … can’t even call them stupid because it’s so beyond that It still passed and the held out because of American people do not want to fund Ukraine. They where listening to their constituents. Oh were they? Well that would be a first because we all know how much Congress and the Senate listen to constituents over their donors but hey I’m just a lil ol British person who knows nothing about how US govt works You know the US is a laughing stock around the world right now, don’t you? Let’s all pray for the people who were reliant on the bill passing for their paychecks, the poor and all the rest of the shit that now can’t get done because McCarthy can’t say boo to a goose without the goose laughing in his face What a fucking joke it's in the hands of the Democrats now who control the Senate. The major sticking point was Ukraine. When 55% of the American voters don't want to fund Ukraine the house listened did they not ? It passed
Gaetz has said that he will call on a vote to remove McCarthy this week for making the deal to get the CR bill passed…
It’s republican on republican crime….. "and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. " On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! "it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand. "I don't if you are aware Fabio but Florida is a huge red state. So bowing to other states when you are a elected official representing their wishes is kind of stupid. That official was put there for a purpose. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! "so if anyone is having a panic attack about anything they should just go around pulling fire alarms in your opinion. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand. "Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know. They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. "There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. "Gaetz is doing exactly what his constituencies want. His district in Florida is huge anti establishment. It has nothing to do with a laptop. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. Gaetz is doing exactly what his constituencies want. His district in Florida is huge anti establishment. It has nothing to do with a laptop."Very surprised to see you say "anti establishment", when they vote ultra establishment when they vote Republican. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. Gaetz is doing exactly what his constituencies want. His district in Florida is huge anti establishment. It has nothing to do with a laptop.
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. Gaetz is doing exactly what his constituencies want. His district in Florida is huge anti establishment. It has nothing to do with a laptop.
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. Gaetz is doing exactly what his constituencies want. His district in Florida is huge anti establishment. It has nothing to do with a laptop.
Very surprised to see you say "anti establishment", when they vote ultra establishment when they vote Republican. How so when they want less government?
Cos they're voting for the government. The party of the establishment (although I know the other lot are nearly as bad)."Fair point. We can just call his district fiscal conservatives then. Hope that clears any misunderstanding. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. Gaetz is doing exactly what his constituencies want. His district in Florida is huge anti establishment. It has nothing to do with a laptop.
Very surprised to see you say "anti establishment", when they vote ultra establishment when they vote Republican. How so when they want less government?
Cos they're voting for the government. The party of the establishment (although I know the other lot are nearly as bad). Fair point. We can just call his district fiscal conservatives then. Hope that clears any misunderstanding." | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill."See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs. "It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! "well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. "You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy.  | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. "So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else? | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else? "Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress. The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. "some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
"In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy. However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority. A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. "and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong . | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
"But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong ."Wait until election time. Then the Republican attitude towards abortion will come into focus. It amazes me that in a country where politicians fight to ensure madmen are free to gun down school kids, if a child is r@ped, they insist the child has to cary that child to full term. I guess they do not want to see a reduction in the flow of child targets? | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong .
Wait until election time. Then the Republican attitude towards abortion will come into focus.
It amazes me that in a country where politicians fight to ensure madmen are free to gun down school kids, if a child is r@ped, they insist the child has to cary that child to full term.
I guess they do not want to see a reduction in the flow of child targets? "California has a assault weapon ban. The minority against a majority. Same scenario. If people really wanted any legislation to be changed they would vote accordingly in those states. Each state set their own laws they are like their own little countries. They have their own constitutions. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves "If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong .
Wait until election time. Then the Republican attitude towards abortion will come into focus.
It amazes me that in a country where politicians fight to ensure madmen are free to gun down school kids, if a child is r@ped, they insist the child has to cary that child to full term.
I guess they do not want to see a reduction in the flow of child targets? California has a assault weapon ban. The minority against a majority. Same scenario. If people really wanted any legislation to be changed they would vote accordingly in those states. Each state set their own laws they are like their own little countries. They have their own constitutions."My understanding is 64% of Californians want stricter gun control. So it is the will of the people. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong .
Wait until election time. Then the Republican attitude towards abortion will come into focus.
It amazes me that in a country where politicians fight to ensure madmen are free to gun down school kids, if a child is r@ped, they insist the child has to cary that child to full term.
I guess they do not want to see a reduction in the flow of child targets? California has a assault weapon ban. The minority against a majority. Same scenario. If people really wanted any legislation to be changed they would vote accordingly in those states. Each state set their own laws they are like their own little countries. They have their own constitutions.
My understanding is 64% of Californians want stricter gun control. So it is the will of the people. "and 7 states the majority want abortion illegal in their state. The will of the people. | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party."So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done! You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong .
Wait until election time. Then the Republican attitude towards abortion will come into focus.
It amazes me that in a country where politicians fight to ensure madmen are free to gun down school kids, if a child is r@ped, they insist the child has to cary that child to full term.
I guess they do not want to see a reduction in the flow of child targets? California has a assault weapon ban. The minority against a majority. Same scenario. If people really wanted any legislation to be changed they would vote accordingly in those states. Each state set their own laws they are like their own little countries. They have their own constitutions.
My understanding is 64% of Californians want stricter gun control. So it is the will of the people. and 7 states the majority want abortion illegal in their state. The will of the people."If that is the will of the people in the state then so be it. That home state should not, however, execute, prosecute, imprison or punish in any way any woman who goes to another state for the procedure. That home state should also not enact laws that say the taxi driver or friend who took her to the other state should be prosecuted or sued by others. That state should not encroach on her privacy by checking her medical records to see if she was pregnant and not encourage the public to report women who ceased to be pregnant. Otherwise, for example, California could arrest a Texan who was seen with open carry side arm in San Antonio. Or New York could prosecute a man for speeding at 90mph in Montana during the day. Keep state laws within state boundaries. Respect peoples freedom. | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong .
Wait until election time. Then the Republican attitude towards abortion will come into focus.
It amazes me that in a country where politicians fight to ensure madmen are free to gun down school kids, if a child is r@ped, they insist the child has to cary that child to full term.
I guess they do not want to see a reduction in the flow of child targets? California has a assault weapon ban. The minority against a majority. Same scenario. If people really wanted any legislation to be changed they would vote accordingly in those states. Each state set their own laws they are like their own little countries. They have their own constitutions.
My understanding is 64% of Californians want stricter gun control. So it is the will of the people. and 7 states the majority want abortion illegal in their state. The will of the people.
If that is the will of the people in the state then so be it.
That home state should not, however, execute, prosecute, imprison or punish in any way any woman who goes to another state for the procedure.
That home state should also not enact laws that say the taxi driver or friend who took her to the other state should be prosecuted or sued by others. That state should not encroach on her privacy by checking her medical records to see if she was pregnant and not encourage the public to report women who ceased to be pregnant.
Otherwise, for example, California could arrest a Texan who was seen with open carry side arm in San Antonio. Or New York could prosecute a man for speeding at 90mph in Montana during the day.
Keep state laws within state boundaries. Respect peoples freedom. "I agree with on that. It's a dumb law.just like I disagree with California and their assault weapon ban. It's a dumb law. But those people in those states chose those laws and if I go there I have to abide by them. | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going "Yea the squad is being the adults. Apparently they don't know what a fire alarm is should he be charged as a insurrectionist for interrupting official procedures? If I had done that at the Capitol during those procedures I would be arrested. Even if I said it was a "Accident". | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going "I like politicians that actually listen to what their constituents want. I love Joe manchin I would vote for him in a heartbeat over trump. Because he doesn't follow party lines. Just like Gaetz don't you think? | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going Yea the squad is being the adults. Apparently they don't know what a fire alarm is should he be charged as an insurrectionist for interrupting official procedures? If I had done that at the Capitol during those procedures I would be arrested. Even if I said it was a "Accident"."1 fire alarm incident which delayed proceedings by a whole 15 minutes…. Vs 90 republicans who voted against keeping the government going for the next 45 days at current spending… and extra money for disaster funding 90 republicans thought shutting down the government with all of the consequences and ramifications was a better idea …. Let that sink in….. | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going Yea the squad is being the adults. Apparently they don't know what a fire alarm is should he be charged as an insurrectionist for interrupting official procedures? If I had done that at the Capitol during those procedures I would be arrested. Even if I said it was a "Accident".
1 fire alarm incident which delayed proceedings by a whole 15 minutes…. Vs 90 republicans who voted against keeping the government going for the next 45 days at current spending… and extra money for disaster funding
90 republicans thought shutting down the government with all of the consequences and ramifications was a better idea ….
Let that sink in….."Some republicans block bills you go crazy because it's in house fighting. Manchin does the same within the democrat party and you are silent about it. Why is that? I laude manchin for not following party lines. But republicans do it you lose your mind. | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going Yea the squad is being the adults. Apparently they don't know what a fire alarm is should he be charged as an insurrectionist for interrupting official procedures? If I had done that at the Capitol during those procedures I would be arrested. Even if I said it was a "Accident".
1 fire alarm incident which delayed proceedings by a whole 15 minutes…. Vs 90 republicans who voted against keeping the government going for the next 45 days at current spending… and extra money for disaster funding
90 republicans thought shutting down the government with all of the consequences and ramifications was a better idea ….
Let that sink in….. Some republicans block bills you go crazy because it's in house fighting. Manchin does the same within the democrat party and you are silent about it. Why is that? I laude manchin for not following party lines. But republicans do it you lose your mind. "You can Google manchins track record on bills he blocked and the in house fighting. What's the difference? | |||
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"… and it's democrat crime against the house. Pulling a fire alarm before a vote and claiming he thought it opens the door. On the scale of “1 to keeping the government open and keeping valuable programs going for the poorest and most vulnerable” I’ll take pulling a fire alarm to allegedly “give the democrats a bit more time to read the bill and make sure the clean CR bill was actually a clean CR bill” because apparently no one now trusts Kevin mccarthy… no biggie!!
But heck… if that the best ya got…. And remembering for all your talk of it “all being about Ukraine spending “ … 90 republicans voted against the CR even after the Ukraine spending was taken out…
Like I said…. This one is all on republicans and there cult of crazy! it's crazy in your opinion. I see republicans taking care of what their constituency wanted. Nothing wrong with brinkmanship. That is what their constituents demanded . So they played their hand.
Please tell me, What are the republicans doing for their constituency? I would love to know.
They were elected to pass laws and run the government. They seem to be totally fixated on Hunter Biden's laptop and whenever any work has to be done they block it. There was no mention of the laptop in the 71 page bill.
See, they can't even get that right!
No, seriously, what are they doing?
They opposed the infrastructure bill and when it took effect and was universally popular said they did it. They opposed the bill to limit the cost of medicine which most of their constituents want.
They are making the USA a laughing stock of the world by stunts like showing revenge porn pictures in Congress and by pursuing the impeachment of Biden, without evidence, because 3 ultra MAGA loud mouths threaten their weak speaker.
Please USA, stop this internal childish bickering and get on with your jobs.
It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom!
There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos.
You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that.
Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
In a democracy the view of the majority is usually followed. Where a minority is holding a gun to the head of the majority that is not true Democracy.
However, I accept that the minority may well believe absolutely that they are fighting for what is right despite being in the minority.
A perfect case in point is where the small minority of zealots in the Republican party overturned Roe vs Wade and subsequently passed, hugely controversial, draconian laws effectivly prohibiting all abortion; whatever the reason. That is a position supported by only a small minority of Americans. and yet states are making their own laws outside of everyone's influence to abortion according to what the people's wishes are otherwise what you stated those states would have agreed to your assumptions. Yet you are vehemently wrong .
Wait until election time. Then the Republican attitude towards abortion will come into focus.
It amazes me that in a country where politicians fight to ensure madmen are free to gun down school kids, if a child is r@ped, they insist the child has to cary that child to full term.
I guess they do not want to see a reduction in the flow of child targets? California has a assault weapon ban. The minority against a majority. Same scenario. If people really wanted any legislation to be changed they would vote accordingly in those states. Each state set their own laws they are like their own little countries. They have their own constitutions.
My understanding is 64% of Californians want stricter gun control. So it is the will of the people. and 7 states the majority want abortion illegal in their state. The will of the people.
If that is the will of the people in the state then so be it.
That home state should not, however, execute, prosecute, imprison or punish in any way any woman who goes to another state for the procedure.
That home state should also not enact laws that say the taxi driver or friend who took her to the other state should be prosecuted or sued by others. That state should not encroach on her privacy by checking her medical records to see if she was pregnant and not encourage the public to report women who ceased to be pregnant.
Otherwise, for example, California could arrest a Texan who was seen with open carry side arm in San Antonio. Or New York could prosecute a man for speeding at 90mph in Montana during the day.
Keep state laws within state boundaries. Respect peoples freedom. I agree with on that. It's a dumb law.just like I disagree with California and their assault weapon ban. It's a dumb law. But those people in those states chose those laws and if I go there I have to abide by them."We are agreed. Now we must stop the over zealous fundamentalists from effectively imprisoning every pregnant women in their state. | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going Yea the squad is being the adults. Apparently they don't know what a fire alarm is should he be charged as an insurrectionist for interrupting official procedures? If I had done that at the Capitol during those procedures I would be arrested. Even if I said it was a "Accident".
1 fire alarm incident which delayed proceedings by a whole 15 minutes…. Vs 90 republicans who voted against keeping the government going for the next 45 days at current spending… and extra money for disaster funding
90 republicans thought shutting down the government with all of the consequences and ramifications was a better idea ….
Let that sink in….. Some republicans block bills you go crazy because it's in house fighting. Manchin does the same within the democrat party and you are silent about it. Why is that? I laude manchin for not following party lines. But republicans do it you lose your mind. "Gaetz removes McCarthy…. Republican on Republican | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going Yea the squad is being the adults. Apparently they don't know what a fire alarm is should he be charged as an insurrectionist for interrupting official procedures? If I had done that at the Capitol during those procedures I would be arrested. Even if I said it was a "Accident".
1 fire alarm incident which delayed proceedings by a whole 15 minutes…. Vs 90 republicans who voted against keeping the government going for the next 45 days at current spending… and extra money for disaster funding
90 republicans thought shutting down the government with all of the consequences and ramifications was a better idea ….
Let that sink in….. Some republicans block bills you go crazy because it's in house fighting. Manchin does the same within the democrat party and you are silent about it. Why is that? I laude manchin for not following party lines. But republicans do it you lose your mind.
Gaetz removes McCarthy…. Republican on Republican "in a way it is great . The house is standing firm against the Senate. | |||
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" It’s even worse than that… almost every single republican voted against the infrastructure bill… only 13 house republicans did vote for it! but every single one all take credit when infrastructure bill money comes to their districts and goes into their reelection campaigns literature and commercials… it’s a weird thing to fathom! There are two types of republicans in the house… most I’ll give them credit are actually there to try and govern…. But there are a large subsection of house republicans who are basically there to just blow it up so to speak! well some of them in the subsection won votes by landslides in their districts. Guess the voters want the chaos. You could well be right about the voters but can't they see that if they destroy their whole government apparatus, and the Constitution, the only ones who will benefit will be America's enemies? And after them will come the dictators who will take power in the power vaccum; they have already laid the foundations for that. Once in power the Dictator will rapidly take away the freedoms so beloved of all Americans, the same freedoms they will have used to destroy their Democracy. So you are saying that people in other states should comply to the wishes of the federal government? That's not a democracy. Love them or hate them their voices are being heard. Otherwise they would have elected someone else. So your are saying comply or else?
Not at all, but the nature of effective politics is compromise for the greater good. To work together, accross the isle to acheive progress.
The destructive elements only cause chaos and delay. With a small majority in the House the Republicans are left vulnerable to the extremists in their party. They do not represent the majority of the American people but expect to have it all their own way none the less. That is not Democracy. some people don't thinks it's for the greater good and fight until the end. Certain things are not worth bowing for.
But again… you kept saying that the bowing point/ red line was more spending for Ukraine
So they took out the spending for Ukraine bit… and kept everything else the same as was for the next 45 days….. and 90 republicans still voted against it
So… what is the actual bowing point…. Because the Republican can not decide that between themselves If I disagree with anything in any bill I just call the local congressman office correct? People do it all the time if they want their congressman to disagree even within their own party.
So then with a majority of 7.. and it only taking 4 republicans voting against to basically strike down your own side’s budget without it needing some democratic votes… how does anything get done!
You have just perfectly described why the democrats have to play the adults in the room and sign off on the CR or the republicans would have shut the government down for them squabbling between themselves
So the reason Gaetz gave to the motion to vacate was that McCarthy did something “bipartisan” … even if it was just the smallest thing to keep the government infrastructure going Yea the squad is being the adults. Apparently they don't know what a fire alarm is should he be charged as an insurrectionist for interrupting official procedures? If I had done that at the Capitol during those procedures I would be arrested. Even if I said it was a "Accident".
1 fire alarm incident which delayed proceedings by a whole 15 minutes…. Vs 90 republicans who voted against keeping the government going for the next 45 days at current spending… and extra money for disaster funding
90 republicans thought shutting down the government with all of the consequences and ramifications was a better idea ….
Let that sink in….. Some republicans block bills you go crazy because it's in house fighting. Manchin does the same within the democrat party and you are silent about it. Why is that? I laude manchin for not following party lines. But republicans do it you lose your mind.
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves " I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. | |||
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. " But it won’t…. Because the current 2023 spending levels are set for the next 45 days!!!! Which means whatever debt is in place the interest is still accruing! And now the house republicans are not going to vote on any potential new leader until next at the earliest next Wednesday . which means that for the 9 days… nothing can get done legislatively! 20% of the budget time extension down the drain… well done! | |||
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. But it won’t…. Because the current 2023 spending levels are set for the next 45 days!!!! Which means whatever debt is in place the interest is still accruing! And now the house republicans are not going to vote on any potential new leader until next at the earliest next Wednesday . which means that for the 9 days… nothing can get done legislatively! 20% of the budget time extension down the drain… well done! " Where is the money from Ukraine again? Let me look... no where at the moment. Maybe just maybe Europe should step up and supply more. What is the UK commitment again ? It dwarfs both the EU and ours. Adjust the spending to replace our commitment. That money for Europes security can be better spent here don't you agree? You want to champion Americans views but fail on that aspect. So what is wrong with having separate bills to deal with foreign investments? It is a issue with the congressional majority is it not? | |||
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. But it won’t…. Because the current 2023 spending levels are set for the next 45 days!!!! Which means whatever debt is in place the interest is still accruing! And now the house republicans are not going to vote on any potential new leader until next at the earliest next Wednesday . which means that for the 9 days… nothing can get done legislatively! 20% of the budget time extension down the drain… well done! Where is the money from Ukraine again? Let me look... no where at the moment. Maybe just maybe Europe should step up and supply more. What is the UK commitment again ? It dwarfs both the EU and ours. Adjust the spending to replace our commitment. That money for Europes security can be better spent here don't you agree? You want to champion Americans views but fail on that aspect. So what is wrong with having separate bills to deal with foreign investments? It is an issue with the congressional majority is it not?" You bring up Ukraine again… Let just point out to you one more time… Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill And 90 house republicans still voted against it!!! | |||
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. But it won’t…. Because the current 2023 spending levels are set for the next 45 days!!!! Which means whatever debt is in place the interest is still accruing! And now the house republicans are not going to vote on any potential new leader until next at the earliest next Wednesday . which means that for the 9 days… nothing can get done legislatively! 20% of the budget time extension down the drain… well done! Where is the money from Ukraine again? Let me look... no where at the moment. Maybe just maybe Europe should step up and supply more. What is the UK commitment again ? It dwarfs both the EU and ours. Adjust the spending to replace our commitment. That money for Europes security can be better spent here don't you agree? You want to champion Americans views but fail on that aspect. So what is wrong with having separate bills to deal with foreign investments? It is an issue with the congressional majority is it not? You bring up Ukraine again… Let just point out to you one more time… Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill And 90 house republicans still voted against it!!! " Ukraine was a sticking point. It's one of the the things Biden wanted. Politics are at play. I ask again would that money be better invested here or abroad. The same thing goes for any foreign nation. You complain that the Republicans are not doing anything yet you want to send money everywhere else instead of investing in ourselves .What does it mean to be a fiscal conservative again? | |||
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. But it won’t…. Because the current 2023 spending levels are set for the next 45 days!!!! Which means whatever debt is in place the interest is still accruing! And now the house republicans are not going to vote on any potential new leader until next at the earliest next Wednesday . which means that for the 9 days… nothing can get done legislatively! 20% of the budget time extension down the drain… well done! Where is the money from Ukraine again? Let me look... no where at the moment. Maybe just maybe Europe should step up and supply more. What is the UK commitment again ? It dwarfs both the EU and ours. Adjust the spending to replace our commitment. That money for Europes security can be better spent here don't you agree? You want to champion Americans views but fail on that aspect. So what is wrong with having separate bills to deal with foreign investments? It is an issue with the congressional majority is it not? You bring up Ukraine again… Let just point out to you one more time… Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill And 90 house republicans still voted against it!!! Ukraine was a sticking point. It's one of the the things Biden wanted. Politics are at play. I ask again would that money be better invested here or abroad. The same thing goes for any foreign nation. You complain that the Republicans are not doing anything yet you want to send money everywhere else instead of investing in ourselves .What does it mean to be a fiscal conservative again?" My god I am talking to a brick wall…. Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuing resolution bill Republicans said it was a concern… McCarthy took it out of the bill… no extra money!!! The only extra spending was for disaster emergency and relief! And 90 republicans still voted against it!!!! | |||
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"Fabio, you are wasted in this forum x " No he is not I like his point of view. It's you that is wasted. | |||
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. But it won’t…. Because the current 2023 spending levels are set for the next 45 days!!!! Which means whatever debt is in place the interest is still accruing! And now the house republicans are not going to vote on any potential new leader until next at the earliest next Wednesday . which means that for the 9 days… nothing can get done legislatively! 20% of the budget time extension down the drain… well done! Where is the money from Ukraine again? Let me look... no where at the moment. Maybe just maybe Europe should step up and supply more. What is the UK commitment again ? It dwarfs both the EU and ours. Adjust the spending to replace our commitment. That money for Europes security can be better spent here don't you agree? You want to champion Americans views but fail on that aspect. So what is wrong with having separate bills to deal with foreign investments? It is an issue with the congressional majority is it not? You bring up Ukraine again… Let just point out to you one more time… Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill And 90 house republicans still voted against it!!! Ukraine was a sticking point. It's one of the the things Biden wanted. Politics are at play. I ask again would that money be better invested here or abroad. The same thing goes for any foreign nation. You complain that the Republicans are not doing anything yet you want to send money everywhere else instead of investing in ourselves .What does it mean to be a fiscal conservative again? My god I am talking to a brick wall…. Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuing resolution bill Republicans said it was a concern… McCarthy took it out of the bill… no extra money!!! The only extra spending was for disaster emergency and relief! And 90 republicans still voted against it!!!! " You are correct I'll admit when I am wrong. | |||
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"Oh my giddy goodness Just had to sit down I was laughing so much Dear Kevin and Matt, the gift that keeps on giving These people should be in straitjackets in case they hurt themselves I am giddy too it will lead to no bills getting passed. It will save Americans tons of debt. But it won’t…. Because the current 2023 spending levels are set for the next 45 days!!!! Which means whatever debt is in place the interest is still accruing! And now the house republicans are not going to vote on any potential new leader until next at the earliest next Wednesday . which means that for the 9 days… nothing can get done legislatively! 20% of the budget time extension down the drain… well done! Where is the money from Ukraine again? Let me look... no where at the moment. Maybe just maybe Europe should step up and supply more. What is the UK commitment again ? It dwarfs both the EU and ours. Adjust the spending to replace our commitment. That money for Europes security can be better spent here don't you agree? You want to champion Americans views but fail on that aspect. So what is wrong with having separate bills to deal with foreign investments? It is an issue with the congressional majority is it not? You bring up Ukraine again… Let just point out to you one more time… Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuation resolution bill And 90 house republicans still voted against it!!! Ukraine was a sticking point. It's one of the the things Biden wanted. Politics are at play. I ask again would that money be better invested here or abroad. The same thing goes for any foreign nation. You complain that the Republicans are not doing anything yet you want to send money everywhere else instead of investing in ourselves .What does it mean to be a fiscal conservative again? My god I am talking to a brick wall…. Ukraine spending was NOT part of the continuing resolution bill Republicans said it was a concern… McCarthy took it out of the bill… no extra money!!! The only extra spending was for disaster emergency and relief! And 90 republicans still voted against it!!!! You are correct I'll admit when I am wrong." Well done Blu. | |||
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"I thought we were the 51st state of america " that would be Puerto Rico. | |||
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"Fabio, you are wasted in this forum x " He’s definitely a beacon of reason and sanity | |||
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"Fabio, you are wasted in this forum x He’s definitely a beacon of reason and sanity "Isn’t he just x | |||
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"Fabio/Blu.... What's the deal with this new FBI 'terrorist' category?" I have not looked into it. Maybe Fabio can elaborate | |||
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"Probably off-topic. But didn't want to start a new thread. Apparently Biden wants to extend the border wall now. New York city Mayor is visiting Mexico to "discourage" immigrants. These are the ones who called Trump a fascist for building the wall? "Yeah I read that Biden wants to restart the wall. | |||
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"Probably off-topic. But didn't want to start a new thread. Apparently Biden wants to extend the border wall now. New York city Mayor is visiting Mexico to "discourage" immigrants. These are the ones who called Trump a fascist for building the wall?
Yeah I read that Biden wants to restart the wall."lol they will try and spin the wall to their favor. | |||
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"Fabio, you are wasted in this forum x He’s definitely a beacon of reason and sanity
Isn’t he just x"He is but you are not. | |||
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"I just find it odd that after the debacle in the house that now migrants are a major issue." that and it's right before elections. Is someone trying to get votes? When the last 3 years didn't matter. | |||
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"Fabio/Blu.... What's the deal with this new FBI 'terrorist' category? I have not looked into it. Maybe Fabio can elaborate " I was sorta reading up … it’s basically domestic terrorism because the trump administration basically loosened what could be termed as terrorism to not include right wing organisations such as militias… or white nationalist groups So the FBI could label the likes of the young boys, and the oath keepers as terrorist organisations, the fear is that for example after January 6th MAGA for example could be considered a terrorist organisation and that would be a stretch…. | |||
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"Fabio/Blu.... What's the deal with this new FBI 'terrorist' category? I have not looked into it. Maybe Fabio can elaborate I was sorta reading up … it’s basically domestic terrorism because the trump administration basically loosened what could be termed as terrorism to not include right wing organisations such as militias… or white nationalist groups So the FBI could label the likes of the young boys, and the oath keepers as terrorist organisations, the fear is that for example after January 6th MAGA for example could be considered a terrorist organisation and that would be a stretch…." | |||
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"Fabio/Blu.... What's the deal with this new FBI 'terrorist' category? I have not looked into it. Maybe Fabio can elaborate I was sorta reading up … it’s basically domestic terrorism because the trump administration basically loosened what could be termed as terrorism to not include right wing organisations such as militias… or white nationalist groups So the FBI could label the likes of the young boys, and the oath keepers as terrorist organisations, the fear is that for example after January 6th MAGA for example could be considered a terrorist organisation and that would be a stretch…." Extremes from both sides should be on the list. | |||
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"I thought we were the 51st state of america that would be Puerto Rico." Well… technically that would be Washington DC… but we are getting in the s.. it’s probably the primary reason as to why republicans won’t get rid of the filibuster…. Because the next thing the democrats would do in response is to give both Washington DC and Puerto Rico statehood… and the republicans would never sniff controlling the senate ever again | |||
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"Probably off-topic. But didn't want to start a new thread. Apparently Biden wants to extend the border wall now. New York city Mayor is visiting Mexico to "discourage" immigrants. These are the ones who called Trump a fascist for building the wall?
Yeah I read that Biden wants to restart the wall. lol they will try and spin the wall to their favor."It’s sort of an overspill of a trump policy.. funny thing that! In the 1st congress under trump…so not the one now or the last one… but the one before that.. so the 17/18 budget… as well as giving him buddies a major tax cut there was also money put in there for border wall spending…. Now… under us law… once money has been designated for a project it cannot be redistributed to other projects without it going through congress Because the policy was not to build wall it was never used, the Biden administration wanted to get the money reallocated as COVID money spending but failed…. So even though the policy is not to build wall, he actually has the money to do it… Not saying I am a fan | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion." The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress " It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. " I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. | |||
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"DC was created as the place for the US government. Why should it gain statehood? It's supposed to be bipartisan. " Because of its population.. here are states that get more representation than Washington DC Alaska, Vermont, North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware Because of population size.. all those places get 3 electoral college vote in the presidential election (so does Washington DC) But all those states get 2 senate seats and 3 senate house seats….. Washington gets none | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. " That's why the forefathers created DC in the first place. A bastion of bipartisanship. Tell me I am wrong | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. That's why the forefathers created DC in the first place. A bastion of bipartisanship. Tell me I am wrong " This is an argument I love having by the way…. 
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. That's why the forefathers created DC in the first place. A bastion of bipartisanship. Tell me I am wrong This is an argument I love having by the way….
You are penalising people of a city for living in that city… if you didn’t want to give the statehood, at least for the purposes of giving them some federal representation give them the 3 house seats "Can they vote according to their beliefs? | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. That's why the forefathers created DC in the first place. A bastion of bipartisanship. Tell me I am wrong This is an argument I love having by the way….
You are penalising people of a city for living in that city… if you didn’t want to give the statehood, at least for the purposes of giving them some federal representation give them the 3 house seats Can they vote according to their beliefs? "what are you getting at? DC is supposed to be our seat of bipartisanship. Is it not ? You want to control the masses to cater to a certain demographic. I don't. Let them vote as the choose. | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. That's why the forefathers created DC in the first place. A bastion of bipartisanship. Tell me I am wrong This is an argument I love having by the way….
You are penalising people of a city for living in that city… if you didn’t want to give the statehood, at least for the purposes of giving them some federal representation give them the 3 house seats Can they vote according to their beliefs? "They get to vote for city council and a mayor…. In federal elections, where you vote for house members, senators and the president… they only vote for president They don’t get any federal representation in the house or the senate | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. That's why the forefathers created DC in the first place. A bastion of bipartisanship. Tell me I am wrong This is an argument I love having by the way….
You are penalising people of a city for living in that city… if you didn’t want to give the statehood, at least for the purposes of giving them some federal representation give them the 3 house seats Can they vote according to their beliefs?
They get to vote for city council and a mayor…. In federal elections, where you vote for house members, senators and the president… they only vote for president
They don’t get any federal representation in the house or the senate "it's still a federal bastion for a reason. Maybe go look at the constitution . So why make it one side or the other? I am all for the bipartisanship. Clearly some people are not. | |||
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"McCarthy is torching the 8 republicans that voted against him in the press conference its definitely red on red crime What bewilders me is the thinking of the house democrats who voted against McCarthy. Whoever comes next is likely to be more attuned to the Republican minority. " It might be Trump... | |||
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"Puerto Rico deserves the nod before DC in my opinion. The motto for Washington DC is taxation without representation… they get no senators and no members of congress They have a city council and mayor… but above that everything else is in theory done dictated by whole of congress It's the seat of our government. Why should it be red or blue? It was supposed to be bipartisan. You know people agreeing. Do you understand that concept? People there can still vote according to their beliefs. I agree with Puerto Rico being a state. But to consider DC being one no. It was created to signal bipartisanship. That's why the forefathers created DC in the first place. A bastion of bipartisanship. Tell me I am wrong This is an argument I love having by the way….
You are penalising people of a city for living in that city… if you didn’t want to give the statehood, at least for the purposes of giving them some federal representation give them the 3 house seats Can they vote according to their beliefs?
They get to vote for city council and a mayor…. In federal elections, where you vote for house members, senators and the president… they only vote for president
They don’t get any federal representation in the house or the senate "why should they get get federal representation? 700000 is a drop in a bucket compared to the rest. If you live in DC you need to understand the repercussions to your voting status. It was created as a non biased non partisan area correct? It signals that we are not red or blue. It signals unity. | |||
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