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"By cutting woke non-jobs first.
Good, but I'll believe it when I see it. The blob will fight back and try to thwart any good ideas along these lines."
What’s a woke non-job? Any examples? |
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"By cutting woke non-jobs first.
Good, but I'll believe it when I see it. The blob will fight back and try to thwart any good ideas along these lines.
What’s a woke non-job? Any examples?"
Equality and diversity manager, or any similar rubbish for starters. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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"By cutting woke non-jobs first.
Good, but I'll believe it when I see it. The blob will fight back and try to thwart any good ideas along these lines.
What’s a woke non-job? Any examples?
Equality and diversity manager, or any similar rubbish for starters."
Why is ensuring equality and diversity in the workplace ‘rubbish’, in your opinion? |
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"By cutting woke non-jobs first.
Good, but I'll believe it when I see it. The blob will fight back and try to thwart any good ideas along these lines.
What’s a woke non-job? Any examples?
Equality and diversity manager, or any similar rubbish for starters.
Why is ensuring equality and diversity in the workplace ‘rubbish’, in your opinion? "
Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however we don't need the thought police to indoctrinate.
A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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"By cutting woke non-jobs first.
Good, but I'll believe it when I see it. The blob will fight back and try to thwart any good ideas along these lines.
What’s a woke non-job? Any examples?
Equality and diversity manager, or any similar rubbish for starters.
Why is ensuring equality and diversity in the workplace ‘rubbish’, in your opinion?
Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however we don't need the thought police to indoctrinate.
A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice."
Indoctrinate? Perceived injustice?
May I ask your particular experience of discrimination in the workplace? |
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice."
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough. |
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough."
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks."
Do you have evidence that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’? - or is it something you’ve invented? |
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks.
Do you have evidence that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’? - or is it something you’ve invented?"
You don't need to look far on any news site to see examples.
Cancel culture is one, for example the only good cartoon in the paper was cancelled due to one stupid social media post. So I am struggling to find a desk calendar for next year. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks.
Do you have evidence that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’? - or is it something you’ve invented?
You don't need to look far on any news site to see examples.
Cancel culture is one, for example the only good cartoon in the paper was cancelled due to one stupid social media post. So I am struggling to find a desk calendar for next year."
No, why would you want evidence to back up your claims that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’?
I’m sure you can find a nice desk calendar with some snowflakes on it. |
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks."
What a bizarre view of the world you have.
Who are these people who you think are "snowflakes"?
Meanwhile in the real world, workplace discrimination is a real genuine problem. |
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks.
Do you have evidence that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’? - or is it something you’ve invented?
You don't need to look far on any news site to see examples.
Cancel culture is one, for example the only good cartoon in the paper was cancelled due to one stupid social media post. So I am struggling to find a desk calendar for next year."
A cartoon?
You were talking about workplace discrimination not being real. |
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks.
Do you have evidence that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’? - or is it something you’ve invented?
You don't need to look far on any news site to see examples.
Cancel culture is one, for example the only good cartoon in the paper was cancelled due to one stupid social media post. So I am struggling to find a desk calendar for next year.
A cartoon?
You were talking about workplace discrimination not being real."
It isn't, unless you are white, male and middle aged. In that case, discrimination against you will be rife. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks.
Do you have evidence that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’? - or is it something you’ve invented?
You don't need to look far on any news site to see examples.
Cancel culture is one, for example the only good cartoon in the paper was cancelled due to one stupid social media post. So I am struggling to find a desk calendar for next year.
A cartoon?
You were talking about workplace discrimination not being real.
It isn't, unless you are white, male and middle aged. In that case, discrimination against you will be rife."
Now I know you’re trolling. |
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A whole industry has grown up on the back of perceived injustice.
There was a recent report that shows 1 in 5 people in the UK have experienced discrimination in the work place.
Are you suggesting that this is:
A. Bollocks.
B. Not enough.
Neither.
For A, if it is genuine discrimination then that is a poor reflection on society. If it is some snowflake setting out to be offended or look for signs of discrimination then it may be bollocks.
For B. As I said, nobody should be discriminated against. Any discrimination is too much however the culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere is also bollocks.
Do you have evidence that there is a ‘culture of looking for offence and discrimination everywhere’? - or is it something you’ve invented?
You don't need to look far on any news site to see examples.
Cancel culture is one, for example the only good cartoon in the paper was cancelled due to one stupid social media post. So I am struggling to find a desk calendar for next year.
A cartoon?
You were talking about workplace discrimination not being real.
It isn't, unless you are white, male and middle aged. In that case, discrimination against you will be rife.
Now I know you’re trolling. "
Lol. Case closed.
I don't know if OP is for real or not.
But I am sure there are some Alf Garnets still out there feeling like they are a victim because they're no longer as privileged as they once were. |
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere. "
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment."
Maybe you should get a job as arbitrator of acceptable jobs. |
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Maybe you should get a job as arbitrator of acceptable jobs."
Nope, it would not take very long to them out. An hour or two at the most, so not a long term career. |
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Maybe you should get a job as arbitrator of acceptable jobs.
Nope, it would not take very long to them out. An hour or two at the most, so not a long term career."
I don't know, those pesky "wokes" might come back.
Maybe every workplace should have armed guards to shoot them if they try to apply for a job? |
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment."
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist. |
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Are we actually trying to argue that there isn't a culture of 'where there's blame, there's a claim'?
It's been happening in this country for at least 20-30 years. You'd have to have been asleep the whole time to not see it. |
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist. "
Go on, I am interested in why?
I don't discriminate against anyone at all and treat everyone in exactly the same way.
So what can the thought police add to that? |
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist.
Go on, I am interested in why?
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You seem outraged that there are some people employed to make sure discrimination doesn't happen in the workplace.
There is clearly a huge problem with workplace discrimination in this country.
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I don't discriminate against anyone at all and treat everyone in exactly the same way.
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Good work.
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So what can the thought police add to that?"
Who are the thought police and what do you think they're telling you to do or think?
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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"Are we actually trying to argue that there isn't a culture of 'where there's blame, there's a claim'?
It's been happening in this country for at least 20-30 years. You'd have to have been asleep the whole time to not see it. "
My part partner worked in a bank and that had a procedure whenever that had to sack someone that wasn’t white
The race card was being pulled so often theyd delay sacking someone to give them time to gather evidence for why the sacking was justified
It all started after a higher up pulled the race card and it cost them over a million in court fees just to justify it
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist.
Go on, I am interested in why?
You seem outraged that there are some people employed to make sure discrimination doesn't happen in the workplace.
There is clearly a huge problem with workplace discrimination in this country.
I don't discriminate against anyone at all and treat everyone in exactly the same way.
Good work.
So what can the thought police add to that?
Who are the thought police and what do you think they're telling you to do or think?
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No outrage, just that it is clearly a complete waste of money.
Where is your evidence and examples of workplace discrimination? I have not seen it in any company where I have worked. Teams have been very diverse, with people of different backgrounds, skin colour, country of origin, religion, sex and sexuality. Nobody was discriminated against, they were measured by ability alone.
The thought police encompass a wide variety of non-jobs and virtue signallers whose business model is to look for and promote division. The amount of time and money wasted on pandering to this vocal minority affects productivity. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist.
Go on, I am interested in why?
You seem outraged that there are some people employed to make sure discrimination doesn't happen in the workplace.
There is clearly a huge problem with workplace discrimination in this country.
I don't discriminate against anyone at all and treat everyone in exactly the same way.
Good work.
So what can the thought police add to that?
Who are the thought police and what do you think they're telling you to do or think?
No outrage, just that it is clearly a complete waste of money.
Where is your evidence and examples of workplace discrimination? I have not seen it in any company where I have worked. Teams have been very diverse, with people of different backgrounds, skin colour, country of origin, religion, sex and sexuality. Nobody was discriminated against, they were measured by ability alone.
The thought police encompass a wide variety of non-jobs and virtue signallers whose business model is to look for and promote division. The amount of time and money wasted on pandering to this vocal minority affects productivity."
You know that not all discrimination is overt? |
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist.
Go on, I am interested in why?
You seem outraged that there are some people employed to make sure discrimination doesn't happen in the workplace.
There is clearly a huge problem with workplace discrimination in this country.
I don't discriminate against anyone at all and treat everyone in exactly the same way.
Good work.
So what can the thought police add to that?
Who are the thought police and what do you think they're telling you to do or think?
No outrage,
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Fair enough. But you seem pretty passionate about not having people working towards less workplace discrimination.
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just that it is clearly a complete waste of money.
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Not to the people who think workplace discrimination needs to be tackled. Or to those who have been helped.
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Where is your evidence and examples of workplace discrimination?
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It's not "my" evidence as I'm not a reporter and don't work in this field.
There are many many reports and investigations into workplace discrimination.
If you're interested, you can start with:
Data collected by Savanta, and reported in August this year.
Ciphr article about 2021 statistics.
If you prefer case studies. Skillcast published a number in March this year.
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I have not seen it in any company where I have worked. Teams have been very diverse, with people of different backgrounds, skin colour, country of origin, religion, sex and sexuality. Nobody was discriminated against, they were measured by ability alone.
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Excellent, so the people in charge of making sure there is no discrimination in your workplace are doing a good job.
Yours is one of many workplaces in the country.
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The thought police encompass a wide variety of non-jobs and virtue signallers whose business model is to look for and promote division. The amount of time and money wasted on pandering to this vocal minority affects productivity."
Never heard of these thought police, nor of any mention of them aside from here. As you asked me for evidence, do you have any for this claim?
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist.
Go on, I am interested in why?
You seem outraged that there are some people employed to make sure discrimination doesn't happen in the workplace.
There is clearly a huge problem with workplace discrimination in this country.
I don't discriminate against anyone at all and treat everyone in exactly the same way.
Good work.
So what can the thought police add to that?
Who are the thought police and what do you think they're telling you to do or think?
No outrage, just that it is clearly a complete waste of money.
Where is your evidence and examples of workplace discrimination? I have not seen it in any company where I have worked. Teams have been very diverse, with people of different backgrounds, skin colour, country of origin, religion, sex and sexuality. Nobody was discriminated against, they were measured by ability alone.
The thought police encompass a wide variety of non-jobs and virtue signallers whose business model is to look for and promote division. The amount of time and money wasted on pandering to this vocal minority affects productivity.
You know that not all discrimination is overt?"
So, if people work in a team and all have the same opportunities (based on ability alone). Where is the discrimination? The thought police have to really go looking in that case.
Where there has been problems is as Feisty mentioned above, where someone is useless and the company tries to get rid of them, all sorts of accusations of bias are then made in some cases. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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Nobody should be discriminated against for any reason however
Except the "woke". Those non-racists should never be allowed to work anywhere.
No, people should not be discriminated against at all however they should get a proper job not be one of the non-job parasites who infest society at the moment.
Ironically, I think that people like you are why these jobs have to exist.
Go on, I am interested in why?
You seem outraged that there are some people employed to make sure discrimination doesn't happen in the workplace.
There is clearly a huge problem with workplace discrimination in this country.
I don't discriminate against anyone at all and treat everyone in exactly the same way.
Good work.
So what can the thought police add to that?
Who are the thought police and what do you think they're telling you to do or think?
No outrage, just that it is clearly a complete waste of money.
Where is your evidence and examples of workplace discrimination? I have not seen it in any company where I have worked. Teams have been very diverse, with people of different backgrounds, skin colour, country of origin, religion, sex and sexuality. Nobody was discriminated against, they were measured by ability alone.
The thought police encompass a wide variety of non-jobs and virtue signallers whose business model is to look for and promote division. The amount of time and money wasted on pandering to this vocal minority affects productivity.
You know that not all discrimination is overt?
So, if people work in a team and all have the same opportunities (based on ability alone). Where is the discrimination? The thought police have to really go looking in that case.
Where there has been problems is as Feisty mentioned above, where someone is useless and the company tries to get rid of them, all sorts of accusations of bias are then made in some cases."
This is a broad and interesting topic, bringing in subjects like un-conscious bias. It’s worth reading up on. |
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From what I can see....
Hunts numbers are effectively to cut it down to pre brexit levels.
Meaning savings of 1bn pa
(Which helps to put a price on Brexit within CS)
He's said that all departments need to do an audit on inclusion staff to see if necessary.
So hasn't even made a definite statement. It's wooly and playing to the woke war crowd.
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By *irldnCouple 33 weeks ago
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"From what I can see....
Hunts numbers are effectively to cut it down to pre brexit levels.
Meaning savings of 1bn pa
(Which helps to put a price on Brexit within CS)
He's said that all departments need to do an audit on inclusion staff to see if necessary.
So hasn't even made a definite statement. It's wooly and playing to the woke war crowd.
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It’s a false economy. |
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"From what I can see....
Hunts numbers are effectively to cut it down to pre brexit levels.
Meaning savings of 1bn pa
(Which helps to put a price on Brexit within CS)
He's said that all departments need to do an audit on inclusion staff to see if necessary.
So hasn't even made a definite statement. It's wooly and playing to the woke war crowd.
It’s a false economy. "
Why?
Get rid of the non-jobs and improve productivity for the rest. Seems like a sensible plan.
Won't happen due to the resistance of the blob though. |
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By *irldnCouple 33 weeks ago
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"From what I can see....
Hunts numbers are effectively to cut it down to pre brexit levels.
Meaning savings of 1bn pa
(Which helps to put a price on Brexit within CS)
He's said that all departments need to do an audit on inclusion staff to see if necessary.
So hasn't even made a definite statement. It's wooly and playing to the woke war crowd.
It’s a false economy.
Why?
Get rid of the non-jobs and improve productivity for the rest. Seems like a sensible plan.
Won't happen due to the resistance of the blob though."
Reducing the size of civil service not any specific “woke” job. |
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If the focus is to remove the diversity officers or whatever they are called, I am all in favour of it.
Workplace discrimination is an issue that should be dealt with and you have human resource teams to do that.
As a person of colour myself, "diversity recruitment" is just outright discriminatory and patronising. In tech, asians are usually much highly represented than white people or black people. Should companies try to reduce hiring Asians and focus on hiring white and black people?
Not to mention that calling people "diversity hires" is outright insulting. If I got a job or promotion somewhere, it should be because of my performance and not because some patronising bureaucrat at the top decided to increase diversity based on skin colour. |
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"From what I can see....
Hunts numbers are effectively to cut it down to pre brexit levels.
Meaning savings of 1bn pa
(Which helps to put a price on Brexit within CS)
He's said that all departments need to do an audit on inclusion staff to see if necessary.
So hasn't even made a definite statement. It's wooly and playing to the woke war crowd.
It’s a false economy.
Why?
Get rid of the non-jobs and improve productivity for the rest. Seems like a sensible plan.
Won't happen due to the resistance of the blob though."
are woke jobs the non jobs ? |
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The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
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"The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
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100% spot on with the above, yet sadly many useful idiots think the torys are doing good things.
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By *irldnCouple 33 weeks ago
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"The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
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Not far off I would say. There’s another point to add...
The work doesn’t go away. So they hire contractors to do it. While day rates for contractors are higher they do not get any employee benefits and can be let go with very little notice. They appear on a different accounting line so govt can say “look we reduced size of civil service and saved £x salary related costs” but if you look over here you will see the savings offset by contingent labour. In addition, the big consultancies can gobble up more work to fill the gaps in civil service resources (which is even more expensive). |
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"The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
Not far off I would say. There’s another point to add...
The work doesn’t go away. So they hire contractors to do it. While day rates for contractors are higher they do not get any employee benefits and can be let go with very little notice. They appear on a different accounting line so govt can say “look we reduced size of civil service and saved £x salary related costs” but if you look over here you will see the savings offset by contingent labour. In addition, the big consultancies can gobble up more work to fill the gaps in civil service resources (which is even more expensive)."
I'd tend to agree but this feels like even more politicking.
It's needed more to get brexit down. Brexit is done. So they are reverting back to size.
This isn't a ground breaking pledge. It's what always should have happened. It's like an employer acting all generous when they say you only have to work your contracted hours after a busy project with no OT. No shit.
And the woke bit is just bait. That they literally told us they'd be using on us.
Am I missing something ? Did they actually say they'd get rid of all woke jobs or was the detail more watered down than doggy pubs heiniken ? Have they promised to go much further than 2016 levels ? |
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"The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
Not far off I would say. There’s another point to add...
The work doesn’t go away. So they hire contractors to do it. While day rates for contractors are higher they do not get any employee benefits and can be let go with very little notice. They appear on a different accounting line so govt can say “look we reduced size of civil service and saved £x salary related costs” but if you look over here you will see the savings offset by contingent labour. In addition, the big consultancies can gobble up more work to fill the gaps in civil service resources (which is even more expensive).I'd tend to agree but this feels like even more politicking.
It's needed more to get brexit down. Brexit is done. So they are reverting back to size.
This isn't a ground breaking pledge. It's what always should have happened. It's like an employer acting all generous when they say you only have to work your contracted hours after a busy project with no OT. No shit.
And the woke bit is just bait. That they literally told us they'd be using on us.
Am I missing something ? Did they actually say they'd get rid of all woke jobs or was the detail more watered down than doggy pubs heiniken ? Have they promised to go much further than 2016 levels ? "
Hunt didn't use the word "woke".
He said: "I won't lift the hiring freeze until all public sector productivity improves. That means, amongst other things, changing our approach to equality and diversity initiatives. Smashing glass ceilings is everyone's job, not a box to be ticked by hiring a diversity manager." |
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"The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
Not far off I would say. There’s another point to add...
The work doesn’t go away. So they hire contractors to do it. While day rates for contractors are higher they do not get any employee benefits and can be let go with very little notice. They appear on a different accounting line so govt can say “look we reduced size of civil service and saved £x salary related costs” but if you look over here you will see the savings offset by contingent labour. In addition, the big consultancies can gobble up more work to fill the gaps in civil service resources (which is even more expensive).I'd tend to agree but this feels like even more politicking.
It's needed more to get brexit down. Brexit is done. So they are reverting back to size.
This isn't a ground breaking pledge. It's what always should have happened. It's like an employer acting all generous when they say you only have to work your contracted hours after a busy project with no OT. No shit.
And the woke bit is just bait. That they literally told us they'd be using on us.
Am I missing something ? Did they actually say they'd get rid of all woke jobs or was the detail more watered down than doggy pubs heiniken ? Have they promised to go much further than 2016 levels ?
Hunt didn't use the word "woke".
He said: "I won't lift the hiring freeze until all public sector productivity improves. That means, amongst other things, changing our approach to equality and diversity initiatives. Smashing glass ceilings is everyone's job, not a box to be ticked by hiring a diversity manager.""
did he not talk about an audit of inclusion staff ? I'm going by newspapers ATM who tbf said 'woke' not "woke". It's still a bit of whistle to that election tactic tho, imo at least. |
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By *irldnCouple 33 weeks ago
Brighton |
"The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
Not far off I would say. There’s another point to add...
The work doesn’t go away. So they hire contractors to do it. While day rates for contractors are higher they do not get any employee benefits and can be let go with very little notice. They appear on a different accounting line so govt can say “look we reduced size of civil service and saved £x salary related costs” but if you look over here you will see the savings offset by contingent labour. In addition, the big consultancies can gobble up more work to fill the gaps in civil service resources (which is even more expensive).I'd tend to agree but this feels like even more politicking.
It's needed more to get brexit down. Brexit is done. So they are reverting back to size.
This isn't a ground breaking pledge. It's what always should have happened. It's like an employer acting all generous when they say you only have to work your contracted hours after a busy project with no OT. No shit.
And the woke bit is just bait. That they literally told us they'd be using on us.
Am I missing something ? Did they actually say they'd get rid of all woke jobs or was the detail more watered down than doggy pubs heiniken ? Have they promised to go much further than 2016 levels ? "
I can confidently say the Civil Service is understaffed in certain areas. UKVI and Border Force being just two examples. I am on rockier ground here but I believe the Civil Service was larger under Labour and was reduced between 2010 and 2016/19 then grew back due to Brexit.
It really is cyclical. As a generalisation Labour creates a bigger CS reducing reliance on suppliers and contractors and the Conservatives do the reverse (Brexit being a generational outlier). |
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"The scenario is as old as the hills with the Conservatives so let me spell it out in simple steps.
1. For the Con Government to spend money they need Civil Servants to administrate it.
2. To improve popularity they promise to spend £ billions on popular projects.
3. They find some reason to reduce the size of the civil service.
4. They task the depleted Civil Service with spending the money.
5. The civil service fail due to lack of resources and staffing.
6. The conservatives blame the civil service.
7. The goverment announces the privitisation of sections of the civil service to solve the issue.
Not far off I would say. There’s another point to add...
The work doesn’t go away. So they hire contractors to do it. While day rates for contractors are higher they do not get any employee benefits and can be let go with very little notice. They appear on a different accounting line so govt can say “look we reduced size of civil service and saved £x salary related costs” but if you look over here you will see the savings offset by contingent labour. In addition, the big consultancies can gobble up more work to fill the gaps in civil service resources (which is even more expensive).I'd tend to agree but this feels like even more politicking.
It's needed more to get brexit down. Brexit is done. So they are reverting back to size.
This isn't a ground breaking pledge. It's what always should have happened. It's like an employer acting all generous when they say you only have to work your contracted hours after a busy project with no OT. No shit.
And the woke bit is just bait. That they literally told us they'd be using on us.
Am I missing something ? Did they actually say they'd get rid of all woke jobs or was the detail more watered down than doggy pubs heiniken ? Have they promised to go much further than 2016 levels ?
Hunt didn't use the word "woke".
He said: "I won't lift the hiring freeze until all public sector productivity improves. That means, amongst other things, changing our approach to equality and diversity initiatives. Smashing glass ceilings is everyone's job, not a box to be ticked by hiring a diversity manager.""
The beatings will continue until moral improves!!
Where is the evidence that "equality and diversity initiatives" have affected productivity?
The conservatives need no encouragement to reduce the size of the civil service. Their hiring freeze means that all the oldest and most experience civil servants retire and middle managers will replace them. Juniors then move up but no new juniors are taken on. The imbalance leads to inefficiency and thus to points 5, 6 and 7 above.
To quote Del Amitri, "The needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before" |
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By *ip2Man 33 weeks ago
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"Hunts numbers are effectively to cut it down to pre brexit levels. "
That is ridiculous. The civil service has a "permanent increase in scope" because the UK gov now has to do things that were done by the EU.
Northern Ireland is exempt from the madness to some extent.
All the EU agencies and the European Commission staff made running the UK cheaper.
Two of the agencies were in London - the European Medicines Agency, and the European Banking Authority.
Now they're not. The EMA is in Amsterdam and the EBA is in Paris.
Hunt seems to want the practical benefits of being in the EU, while not being in it, at the same time? |
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