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"I would stop building on Palestinian land. I would abey the numerous UN resolutions that have been past.I would vote against the extreme right wing policies of the government. There have not been elections in Gaza for 17 years. It's like the street gang have taken over and everyone lives in fear of the gang.I would ask the UN to enforce its resolutions as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan against Israel. I'd pursue the war crimes of collective punishment including cutting off supplies. There is plenty more. For me the fact is the countries who are cheer leading this massacre have made their way in this world by doing the same thing else where. Britain carved up this land in the first place. Read the same for India and Pakistan, the United States, Australia and many African countries. Its genocidal behaviour endorsed by the genocidal original gangsters." You would avoid the question altogether, too?  | |||
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"I would stop building on Palestinian land. I would abey the numerous UN resolutions that have been past.I would vote against the extreme right wing policies of the government. There have not been elections in Gaza for 17 years. It's like the street gang have taken over and everyone lives in fear of the gang.I would ask the UN to enforce its resolutions as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan against Israel. I'd pursue the war crimes of collective punishment including cutting off supplies. There is plenty more. For me the fact is the countries who are cheer leading this massacre have made their way in this world by doing the same thing else where. Britain carved up this land in the first place. Read the same for India and Pakistan, the United States, Australia and many African countries. Its genocidal behaviour endorsed by the genocidal original gangsters." But about the terrorists under the hospital though? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created | |||
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"It can only be brought to an end, with a ceasefire and negotiation." This, as all conflicts do albeit some are only put on ice so to speak but peace is what the majority on all sides often want.. Might not happen for years yet.. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." This is the dilemma they face and similar to the question posed on other threads. The only answers gained from that was anything other than the bombing that is currently happening. So I take it that ground action would be acceptable, but to me being killed by tank or artillery fire is pretty bad to. There is no easy answer other than stopping and effectively giving in to an organization that is not looking just to roll back borders but to wipe Israel out of existence. | |||
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"Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, taken and occupied by force since 1947 Gaza was is a prison, now it’s half demolished Where do 2 million displaced people live now Next generation of suicide bombers has been borne Uk, USA and France supporting Israeli murder of 4000 children Islam wants Israelis dead No solutions here Agree with this " | |||
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"If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel." Do you believe that this would solve the situation outlined? "As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide." Are you familiar with the definition of genocide? "From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created" Iran. | |||
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"Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, taken and occupied by force since 1947 " You will need to explain that, modify your year or brush up on Middle Eastern history. Which settlements existed since 1947/8, exactly? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." if it was the USA. They'd simply level the hospital I'd imagine. The uk has specific rules of engagement sitwell e.g we won't kill civilians at any cost. The usa have bo problem killing people acting as human shields. They have done it in Syria and other places. And no 1 would dare reproach them. The uk when in operation in Iraq and Syria. When we couldn't bomb weapons depots. Because they'd have a woman and child in there. The Americans would do it for us. | |||
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"Simply give Palestinian to thier land and end of apartheid " Can you promise that Hamas won't attack Israel if they give Palestinians some land? If they attack after that, will the people who supported that as a "solution" take responsibility for the blood in their hands? | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved." This is a terrible solution. Without US backing and protection, Israel would be gone. | |||
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"I'm seeing 'give them their land back'. I may be wrong but I don't thunk Israel have been 'taking' any of the Gaza strip for quite some time. Even the PA wiped their hands of Gaza because of Hamas. What land are Israel to give back?" The West Bank is 15 times the size of Gaza and was taken by force https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/ | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved. This is a terrible solution. Without US backing and protection, Israel would be gone. " and so would the middle east. Israel is nuke capable. | |||
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"I'm seeing 'give them their land back'. I may be wrong but I don't thunk Israel have been 'taking' any of the Gaza strip for quite some time. Even the PA wiped their hands of Gaza because of Hamas. What land are Israel to give back? The West Bank is 15 times the size of Gaza and was taken by force https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/" My bad, I thought we were talking about Gaza. | |||
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"Simply give Palestinian to thier land and end of apartheid " https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/shrinking-palestine | |||
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"I'm seeing 'give them their land back'. I may be wrong but I don't thunk Israel have been 'taking' any of the Gaza strip for quite some time. Even the PA wiped their hands of Gaza because of Hamas. What land are Israel to give back? The West Bank is 15 times the size of Gaza and was taken by force https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/ My bad, I thought we were talking about Gaza. " How can we separate the two, both areas were formally part of Palestine. | |||
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"For me it’s the equivalent to what the Uk did to German cities in WWII, or what the US did to Japan. Facing an existential threat we took some tough decisions. Regrettably if we faced the same threat today the Nazis would win. The populace is too weak, lazy and brainwashed, the military a social service, politicians would need the consent of human rights lawyers and the civil service before they could blow their noses. The SS would be frogmarching down Pall Mall in a fortnight." Quite right. The government should be allowed to nuke civilian population centres on a whim.  | |||
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"I'm seeing 'give them their land back'. I may be wrong but I don't thunk Israel have been 'taking' any of the Gaza strip for quite some time. Even the PA wiped their hands of Gaza because of Hamas. What land are Israel to give back? The West Bank is 15 times the size of Gaza and was taken by force https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/ My bad, I thought we were talking about Gaza. How can we separate the two, both areas were formally part of Palestine. " Because we're continually told this is a war between Hamas & Israel. Unless you're telling us its between Palestine & Israel? Maybe that's why there's so much confusion if we can't even agree who it's between. | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved. This is a terrible solution. Without US backing and protection, Israel would be gone. " Does that not tell you in itself that the state isn’t viable? If the USA has to stand guard, how long will it be there? 10 years? 20 years? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." Do what the settlers did in the US and Australia to natives. Ethnically cleanse them and take all the land. Including West Bank after you finish with Gaza. Until there is a insignificant amount left to threaten you. Only this will stop more attacks. Because the next ones wanting to attack you have already been born by the current situation and will wait their time. So best to complete the job now. | |||
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"I'm seeing 'give them their land back'. I may be wrong but I don't thunk Israel have been 'taking' any of the Gaza strip for quite some time. Even the PA wiped their hands of Gaza because of Hamas. What land are Israel to give back? The West Bank is 15 times the size of Gaza and was taken by force https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/ My bad, I thought we were talking about Gaza. How can we separate the two, both areas were formally part of Palestine. Because we're continually told this is a war between Hamas & Israel. Unless you're telling us its between Palestine & Israel? Maybe that's why there's so much confusion if we can't even agree who it's between. " The ‘war’ now genocide, is a by product of land thieved from Palestine, that Israel now occupies Two million Palestinians now living in 90 square miles. Battery hens have more space. https://www.palestineportal.org/learn-teach/israelpalestine-the-basics/maps/maps-loss-of-land/ | |||
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"I'm seeing 'give them their land back'. I may be wrong but I don't thunk Israel have been 'taking' any of the Gaza strip for quite some time. Even the PA wiped their hands of Gaza because of Hamas. What land are Israel to give back? The West Bank is 15 times the size of Gaza and was taken by force https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/ My bad, I thought we were talking about Gaza. How can we separate the two, both areas were formally part of Palestine. Because we're continually told this is a war between Hamas & Israel. Unless you're telling us its between Palestine & Israel? Maybe that's why there's so much confusion if we can't even agree who it's between. The ‘war’ now genocide, is a by product of land thieved from Palestine, that Israel now occupies Two million Palestinians now living in 90 square miles. Battery hens have more space. https://www.palestineportal.org/learn-teach/israelpalestine-the-basics/maps/maps-loss-of-land/ " Far too emotive to worry about a solution. I'll leave you to crack on. You should do a little research into the 'land grab' and how this all actually started back in the 40s | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved. This is a terrible solution. Without US backing and protection, Israel would be gone. Does that not tell you in itself that the state isn’t viable? If the USA has to stand guard, how long will it be there? 10 years? 20 years?" Forever because if it goes nuclear you can go there in 20 and admire the ashes and the glass. | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved. This is a terrible solution. Without US backing and protection, Israel would be gone. Does that not tell you in itself that the state isn’t viable? If the USA has to stand guard, how long will it be there? 10 years? 20 years? Forever because if it goes nuclear you can go there in 20 and admire the ashes and the glass." You don't half like to dramatise it like a Hollywood movie. Ever thought of writing some scripts.. | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved. This is a terrible solution. Without US backing and protection, Israel would be gone. Does that not tell you in itself that the state isn’t viable? If the USA has to stand guard, how long will it be there? 10 years? 20 years? Forever because if it goes nuclear you can go there in 20 and admire the ashes and the glass." Like Vietnam and Afghanistan? If you think it’s escalating now, wait if it goes nuclear. I’m sure Pakistan will have something to say | |||
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"I would stop building on Palestinian land. I would abey the numerous UN resolutions that have been past.I would vote against the extreme right wing policies of the government. There have not been elections in Gaza for 17 years. It's like the street gang have taken over and everyone lives in fear of the gang.I would ask the UN to enforce its resolutions as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan against Israel. I'd pursue the war crimes of collective punishment including cutting off supplies. There is plenty more. For me the fact is the countries who are cheer leading this massacre have made their way in this world by doing the same thing else where. Britain carved up this land in the first place. Read the same for India and Pakistan, the United States, Australia and many African countries. Its genocidal behaviour endorsed by the genocidal original gangsters. You would avoid the question altogether, too? "Maybe he is but go through all the various threads you won’t find many responses from pro Jewish or Jewish members to his question though. Hamas didn’t come from nowhere they came from 70yrs if Palestinians being treated like shit. End of argument, we are now on the next page called retribution & counter retribution. After this will be counter, counter retribution & on & on. Before Hamas it was ISIL, before ISIL the PLO. Once Hamas are spent it’ll be more Fatah or Islamic Jihad. Only gormless two brain cell’d idiots would think for one second it ends with Hamas. But to the actual OP’s question.. The only time you can justify killing a civilian is one on one when the bad guy is directly behind them. No other form of attack is imo justifiable because what you are saying is my professional soldiers life is worth more than many many non combatants of the other side which is patently BS. One is a well equipped professional soldier who would expect all “Reasonable” precautions to be made to protect them & should & will be prepared to die in combat. levelling whole areas full of civilians is not “Reasonable” in mine or many others books. The only ones who seem to think it is reasonable are the uptight righteous ones, you know “We are Gods chosen, we can do no wrong”. Those types. The military could take a leaf out of Blu’s lot in Okinawa & not bother getting them out & just bulldoze, seal & concrete them in? Or seal it up & gas them, that’d be ironic wouldn’t it. S | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved. This is a terrible solution. Without US backing and protection, Israel would be gone. Does that not tell you in itself that the state isn’t viable? If the USA has to stand guard, how long will it be there? 10 years? 20 years? Forever because if it goes nuclear you can go there in 20 and admire the ashes and the glass. Like Vietnam and Afghanistan? If you think it’s escalating now, wait if it goes nuclear. I’m sure Pakistan will have something to say" say what everything would be glass. Nothing left. If that is your preferred outcome.. Pakistan is not under threat. They would sit back watch. | |||
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"I would stop building on Palestinian land. I would abey the numerous UN resolutions that have been past.I would vote against the extreme right wing policies of the government. There have not been elections in Gaza for 17 years. It's like the street gang have taken over and everyone lives in fear of the gang.I would ask the UN to enforce its resolutions as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan against Israel. I'd pursue the war crimes of collective punishment including cutting off supplies. There is plenty more. For me the fact is the countries who are cheer leading this massacre have made their way in this world by doing the same thing else where. Britain carved up this land in the first place. Read the same for India and Pakistan, the United States, Australia and many African countries. Its genocidal behaviour endorsed by the genocidal original gangsters. You would avoid the question altogether, too?
Maybe he is but go through all the various threads you won’t find many responses from pro Jewish or Jewish members to his question though. Hamas didn’t come from nowhere they came from 70yrs if Palestinians being treated like shit. End of argument, we are now on the next page called retribution & counter retribution. After this will be counter, counter retribution & on & on. Before Hamas it was ISIL, before ISIL the PLO. Once Hamas are spent it’ll be more Fatah or Islamic Jihad. Only gormless two brain cell’d idiots would think for one second it ends with Hamas.
But to the actual OP’s question..
The only time you can justify killing a civilian is one on one when the bad guy is directly behind them.
No other form of attack is imo justifiable because what you are saying is my professional soldiers life is worth more than many many non combatants of the other side which is patently BS.
One is a well equipped professional soldier who would expect all “Reasonable” precautions to be made to protect them & should & will be prepared to die in combat. levelling whole areas full of civilians is not “Reasonable” in mine or many others books.
The only ones who seem to think it is reasonable are the uptight righteous ones, you know “We are Gods chosen, we can do no wrong”. Those types.
The military could take a leaf out of Blu’s lot in Okinawa & not bother getting them out & just bulldoze, seal & concrete them in? Or seal it up & gas them, that’d be ironic wouldn’t it.
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too? "Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians? The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes. | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes. "Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack, hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians". | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
"It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong. " hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians"." Honestly this just makes it weirder. Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others? | |||
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"Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack, hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do." You should really meet Mao and Stalin. The most leftist duo from the 20th century understood sacrifice for the greatest good... | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack, hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians"."Nope they need to kill has many has possible. They will never get another opportunity like this. So they need to fill their boots. | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?"What else should Israel do? If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative. If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate. If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness. | |||
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"Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack, hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. You should really meet Mao and Stalin. The most leftist duo from the 20th century understood sacrifice for the greatest good..." Cue the "But that's not real communism" responses  | |||
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"Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack, hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. You should really meet Mao and Stalin. The most leftist duo from the 20th century understood sacrifice for the greatest good..." A good bit of house spring cleaning never did any harm | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." Let's look at it another way. Say the army storms or bombs the hospital, after being given a 24h warning. Do you say that the doctor who boldly and defiantly stayed at his post is a hero or an idiot? How about the father who shelters his family in the car park, defiantly stating that they will not be moved by an imperial force? Hero, martyr or idiot? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Let's look at it another way. Say the army storms or bombs the hospital, after being given a 24h warning. Do you say that the doctor who boldly and defiantly stayed at his post is a hero or an idiot? How about the father who shelters his family in the car park, defiantly stating that they will not be moved by an imperial force? Hero, martyr or idiot?" That's like saying I sacrificed my family because I didn't aheed to the F5 tornado warning me to move and get out of the way. Is it my faults or the tornado? | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do? If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate. If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness. "This and that is why I also agree with israels ambassador who had a speech about it few days ago, that they dont have any other choice but to defend themselves against terrorism, which is right too. | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do? If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate. If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness. This and that is why I also agree with israels ambassador who had a speech about it few days ago, that they dont have any other choice but to defend themselves against terrorism, which is right too."Too right, Palestinians breed like flies anyways. So the stock will quickly be replenished. | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. " They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault." Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust. | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust." Darwinism at its finest. | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust. Darwinism at its finest. " Good testing ground to try some new weapons also. | |||
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"All countries have been formed by some sort of land grab/war. There's no difference between history and recent history, it's all history. There's just so much subconscious antisemitism from people who only choose to believe the rhetoric of the day. WHAT did Hamas expect would happen? WHY does Hamas use it's own people as human shields? WHY in a population of 2 million do so few choose to fight on the Palestinian side. There is no right and two wrongs definitely do not make a right but reap as you shall sow sums it up" Exactly, lovers love to cry. Its like the football song goes. You only sing when your winning. Now their getting pumped its all tears. | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust. Darwinism at its finest. Good testing ground to try some new weapons also." True some of Israels new weapons avoiding civilians is pretty impressive. I have to admit. | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust. Darwinism at its finest. Good testing ground to try some new weapons also. True some of Israels new weapons avoiding civilians is pretty impressive. I have to admit. " Iron sting instead of a larger munition. Less collateral damage. Don't you think? | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust. Darwinism at its finest. Good testing ground to try some new weapons also. True some of Israels new weapons avoiding civilians is pretty impressive. I have to admit. " Shame they won't be using them..  | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust. Darwinism at its finest. Good testing ground to try some new weapons also. True some of Israels new weapons avoiding civilians is pretty impressive. I have to admit. Shame they won't be using them.. "They are using you should look up iron sting usage... How are Hamas at limiting civilians again? Again I ask you if I you had warning to move if a F5 Tornado was going to devastate you are you just going to sit there and wait? Or move? It's the same move or be destroyed. Israel has been giving ample warning . Have they not? | |||
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"Things are warming up nicely. A bit of Jew bashing has started in Dagestan. " answer move or stay. Irrelevant. Simple. You trying to deflect? Typical. | |||
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"I would stop building on Palestinian land. I would abey the numerous UN resolutions that have been past.I would vote against the extreme right wing policies of the government. There have not been elections in Gaza for 17 years. It's like the street gang have taken over and everyone lives in fear of the gang.I would ask the UN to enforce its resolutions as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan against Israel. I'd pursue the war crimes of collective punishment including cutting off supplies. There is plenty more. For me the fact is the countries who are cheer leading this massacre have made their way in this world by doing the same thing else where. Britain carved up this land in the first place. Read the same for India and Pakistan, the United States, Australia and many African countries. Its genocidal behaviour endorsed by the genocidal original gangsters. You would avoid the question altogether, too?
Maybe he is but go through all the various threads you won’t find many responses from pro Jewish or Jewish members to his question though. Hamas didn’t come from nowhere they came from 70yrs if Palestinians being treated like shit. End of argument, we are now on the next page called retribution & counter retribution. After this will be counter, counter retribution & on & on. Before Hamas it was ISIL, before ISIL the PLO. Once Hamas are spent it’ll be more Fatah or Islamic Jihad. Only gormless two brain cell’d idiots would think for one second it ends with Hamas.
But to the actual OP’s question..
The only time you can justify killing a civilian is one on one when the bad guy is directly behind them.
No other form of attack is imo justifiable because what you are saying is my professional soldiers life is worth more than many many non combatants of the other side which is patently BS.
One is a well equipped professional soldier who would expect all “Reasonable” precautions to be made to protect them & should & will be prepared to die in combat. levelling whole areas full of civilians is not “Reasonable” in mine or many others books.
The only ones who seem to think it is reasonable are the uptight righteous ones, you know “We are Gods chosen, we can do no wrong”. Those types.
The military could take a leaf out of Blu’s lot in Okinawa & not bother getting them out & just bulldoze, seal & concrete them in? Or seal it up & gas them, that’d be ironic wouldn’t it.
S You are living on the outcomes of military strategy for the greater good according to difficult decisions made by others are you not? You can't say you are not."I could also say I’m living in a world of angst, uncertainty, betrayal & this is also due to the same conflicts. Militarily I’d put the events of the last four weeks up there with Dresden in WW2, My Lao in Vietnam. Neither of those events left the attackers in a positive light either. S | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Let's look at it another way. Say the army storms or bombs the hospital, after being given a 24h warning. Do you say that the doctor who boldly and defiantly stayed at his post is a hero or an idiot? How about the father who shelters his family in the car park, defiantly stating that they will not be moved by an imperial force? Hero, martyr or idiot? That's like saying I sacrificed my family because I didn't aheed to the F5 tornado warning me to move and get out of the way. Is it my faults or the tornado?" No it’s not because a Tirnado doesn’t come, stay, take your homeland & keep you out. It comes destroys & goes away & you move back & rebuild. Palestinians have had seventy years of being booted about by Israel accelerating in the last twenty. That is why they won’t leave, S | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do? If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate. If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness. This and that is why I also agree with israels ambassador who had a speech about it few days ago, that they dont have any other choice but to defend themselves against terrorism, which is right too.
Too right, Palestinians breed like flies anyways. So the stock will quickly be replenished."Irony at it finest. Population of Israel in 2003 3m population of Israel today 9m approx, Population of Palestine 3003 3.2m population of Palestine 21 5.4m average age. They may well breed like rabbits but it appears they are not the only ones & their rabbits stay in their own burrows. S | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." Just bunker bust it without warning. | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do?
"Not mass murder civilians. " If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative. If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate. " Even if this was true, which it's not, why do you jump directly to mass murdering civilians? " If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness. " Why are Hamas scumbags for killing civilians, but Israel aren't? | |||
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"For me it’s the equivalent to what the Uk did to German cities in WWII, or what the US did to Japan. Facing an existential threat we took some tough decisions. Regrettably if we faced the same threat today the Nazis would win. The populace is too weak, lazy and brainwashed, the military a social service, politicians would need the consent of human rights lawyers and the civil service before they could blow their noses. The SS would be frogmarching down Pall Mall in a fortnight." Japan really isn’t comparable. Turns out America knew Japan was about to surrender. They went ahead with nukes because they wanted Russia to live in fear of the US and it’s shiney new weapon now that the war was drawing to an end. It also meant the US could more easily gaslight the world in to us thinking that the US won that war when any historian will tell you that the Russians did all the heavy lifting throughout. | |||
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"For me it’s the equivalent to what the Uk did to German cities in WWII, or what the US did to Japan. Facing an existential threat we took some tough decisions. Regrettably if we faced the same threat today the Nazis would win. The populace is too weak, lazy and brainwashed, the military a social service, politicians would need the consent of human rights lawyers and the civil service before they could blow their noses. The SS would be frogmarching down Pall Mall in a fortnight. Japan really isn’t comparable. Turns out America knew Japan was about to surrender. They went ahead with nukes because they wanted Russia to live in fear of the US and it’s shiney new weapon now that the war was drawing to an end. It also meant the US could more easily gaslight the world in to us thinking that the US won that war when any historian will tell you that the Russians did all the heavy lifting throughout." Agreed, The Germans were finished before the USA jumped in & they only jumped in post Stalingrad when the writing was on the wall. No doubt their involvement hastened the end however it was going to happen anyway & to come in because you are shit scared of communism & then make everyone else pay for your help & involvement sticks in the throat a bit. S | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do?
Not mass murder civilians.
If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate.
Even if this was true, which it's not, why do you jump directly to mass murdering civilians?
If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness.
Why are Hamas scumbags for killing civilians, but Israel aren't?"You still haven't given an alternative that will protect Israel from Hamas. You are saying that Hamas will do whatever atrocities they want and Israel needs to sit quietly because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. Give an alternative that will genuinely stop Hamas from attacking Israel. Hamas are scumbags for killing civilians because they could have taken the battle to the Israel army. They had a choice and went for civilians. But Israel does not have a choice because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. It's not that hard to see. | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do?
Not mass murder civilians.
If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate.
Even if this was true, which it's not, why do you jump directly to mass murdering civilians?
If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness.
Why are Hamas scumbags for killing civilians, but Israel aren't?
You still haven't given an alternative that will protect Israel from Hamas. You are saying that Hamas will do whatever atrocities they want and Israel needs to sit quietly because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. Give an alternative that will genuinely stop Hamas from attacking Israel.
Hamas are scumbags for killing civilians because they could have taken the battle to the Israel army. They had a choice and went for civilians. But Israel does not have a choice because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. It's not that hard to see."Okay, so you perceive that there Israel has no choice but to mass murder civilians, and so you're all on board with it! Astounding. Can't even speculate where you got such fucked up point of view from. No further questions. | |||
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"What else should Israel do? Not mass murder civilians." (1) Perhaps, but what should Israel actually do in the question posed by the OP? (2) Is the greater hazard allowing Hamas (or any group) be allowed to engineer a situation where they can attack with relative impunity, or taking them out with regrettable but inevitable civilian casualties? (3) Does the population of Gaza bear any responsibility, however small, for permitting, tolerating or encouraging attacks on Israel by Hamas? (4) In your opinion is a military action in which there are inevitable civilian casualties ever justified? | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do?
Not mass murder civilians.
If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate.
Even if this was true, which it's not, why do you jump directly to mass murdering civilians?
If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness.
Why are Hamas scumbags for killing civilians, but Israel aren't?
You still haven't given an alternative that will protect Israel from Hamas. You are saying that Hamas will do whatever atrocities they want and Israel needs to sit quietly because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. Give an alternative that will genuinely stop Hamas from attacking Israel.
Hamas are scumbags for killing civilians because they could have taken the battle to the Israel army. They had a choice and went for civilians. But Israel does not have a choice because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. It's not that hard to see.
Okay, so you perceive that there Israel has no choice but to mass murder civilians, and so you're all on board with it!
Astounding.
Can't even speculate where you got such fucked up point of view from.
No further questions. "You have been asked on numerous occasions to offer an alternative. If you can't do that, I'm not sure what qualifies you to take the moral high ground. | |||
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"What else should Israel do? Not mass murder civilians. (1) Perhaps, but what should Israel actually do in the question posed by the OP? " Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. It would be more interesting to pose this question to those with a boner for mass murdering people. Because any of us opposed to such things would suggest all the other options first such as send in an under cover sniper. However none of us are IDF military strategists, so why is the onus on us to come up with a plan? " (2) Is the greater hazard allowing Hamas (or any group) be allowed to engineer a situation where they can attack with relative impunity, or taking them out with regrettable but inevitable civilian casualties? " This question appears to be the wrong way around. Israel are currently committing war crimes with impunity. " (3) Does the population of Gaza bear any responsibility, however small, for permitting, tolerating or encouraging attacks on Israel by Hamas? " Presumably some of them support Hamas. Personally I don't think all the women and children who live there deserve the death penalty " (4) In your opinion is a military action in which there are inevitable civilian casualties ever justified?" Not sure what question four has got to do with anything. In my opinion, everything should be done to avoid civilian casualties. What about you, what are your answers to these questions? | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do?
Not mass murder civilians.
If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate.
Even if this was true, which it's not, why do you jump directly to mass murdering civilians?
If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness.
Why are Hamas scumbags for killing civilians, but Israel aren't?
You still haven't given an alternative that will protect Israel from Hamas. You are saying that Hamas will do whatever atrocities they want and Israel needs to sit quietly because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. Give an alternative that will genuinely stop Hamas from attacking Israel.
Hamas are scumbags for killing civilians because they could have taken the battle to the Israel army. They had a choice and went for civilians. But Israel does not have a choice because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. It's not that hard to see.
Okay, so you perceive that there Israel has no choice but to mass murder civilians, and so you're all on board with it!
Astounding.
Can't even speculate where you got such fucked up point of view from.
No further questions. "If Israel has a choice, tell me what the choice is. Remember that by taking your choice, Israel should have its hostages back and have its country safe from Hamas. Pretty sure someone gave a much simpler example to you in another thread and you didn't give an answer there either. Someone is shooting at your family while hiding behind their own family. The only way you can protect your own family is to attack him and the can't do that without attacking their family. If you really care about protecting your family, you have no choice but to do it. If you believe that not attacking them somehow gives you a moral superiority even if your own family gets killed, now that's a fucked up view. | |||
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" Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. " If a randomer on a swinging site believes he is morally smug enough to give some vague advice like "just don't kill civilians", that morally smug person should also give the alternative. Giving lame advice like that is easy if you don't have to give a solution. | |||
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" Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. If a randomer on a swinging site believes he is morally smug enough to give some vague advice like "just don't kill civilians", that morally smug person should also give the alternative. Giving lame advice like that is easy if you don't have to give a solution. " You're right. I'm not an IDF strategist, so can't articulate the alternatives. You've convinced me that we should all cheer on the mass murder of civilians in Gaza. No questions asked. Furthermore anyone who thinks it's not okay to just jump directly into bombing women and children should be hounded on a swingers website. Let's go! | |||
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" Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. If a randomer on a swinging site believes he is morally smug enough to give some vague advice like "just don't kill civilians", that morally smug person should also give the alternative. Giving lame advice like that is easy if you don't have to give a solution. You're right. I'm not an IDF strategist, so can't articulate the alternatives. You've convinced me that we should all cheer on the mass murder of civilians in Gaza. No questions asked. Furthermore anyone who thinks it's not okay to just jump directly into bombing women and children should be hounded on a swingers website. Let's go! "No one here is cheering the death of civilians. At the same time, people understand the sad inevitability of it. That's why we are asking you to give alternatives because you keep saying that IDF should not do this. If you are going to use the "I am not an IDF strategist" excuse, you should also avoid giving useless advice to IDF like "just don't kill the civilians". It's like going to a doctor cutting someone's limb off because of medical circumstances and saying "Cutting someone's limb off is just wrong. But I don't know the alternative. You are the doctor. You figure it out." | |||
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" Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. If a randomer on a swinging site believes he is morally smug enough to give some vague advice like "just don't kill civilians", that morally smug person should also give the alternative. Giving lame advice like that is easy if you don't have to give a solution. You're right. I'm not an IDF strategist, so can't articulate the alternatives. You've convinced me that we should all cheer on the mass murder of civilians in Gaza. No questions asked. Furthermore anyone who thinks it's not okay to just jump directly into bombing women and children should be hounded on a swingers website. Let's go!
No one here is cheering the death of civilians. At the same time, people understand the sad inevitability of it. That's why we are asking you to give alternatives because you keep saying that IDF should not do this. If you are going to use the "I am not an IDF strategist" excuse, you should also avoid giving useless advice to IDF like "just don't kill the civilians".
It's like going to a doctor cutting someone's limb off because of medical circumstances and saying "Cutting someone's limb off is just wrong. But I don't know the alternative. You are the doctor. You figure it out.""Nope. You couldn't be further from my point if you tried. Besides, you won me over. They should go directly to plan A. Mass murderer civilians. | |||
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"Apparently Hamas have taken 18 Thai nationals and a few Thai nationals were killed in their first attack too. If Thailand attacks Palestine to save their people, would that be justified or will the leftists do some mental gymnastics to say that's immoral too?
Why is it only "leftists" that are opposed to mass murdering civilians?
The weirdest shit ever gets posted on this forum sometimes.
Simplifying the whole situation into "but killing civilians is wrong", completely ignoring the initial hamas attack,
It really is that simple. Killing those civilians was also wrong.
hamas using Humans as shield is the kind of thing only leftists can do. Essentially Hamas will do a barbaric attack and hide behind civilians. And Israel or Thailand in this case should shut up and do nothing about it because "Hey those civilians".
Honestly this just makes it weirder.
Maybe you could explain why is cool to mass murder some civilians, but not others?
What else should Israel do?
Not mass murder civilians.
If they do nothing, Hamas will take advantage of that and attack Israel again. Should they just let their women get r*ped and kids getting killed just because Hamas are a bunch of disgusting cowards using civilians as shields? Instead of just repeatedly parroting "Killing civilians is wrong", please give an alternative.
If a country is attacked, it's the moral duty of its government to retaliate.
Even if this was true, which it's not, why do you jump directly to mass murdering civilians?
If Israel does not retaliate, scumbags like hamas will only consider that as a weakness.
Why are Hamas scumbags for killing civilians, but Israel aren't?
You still haven't given an alternative that will protect Israel from Hamas. You are saying that Hamas will do whatever atrocities they want and Israel needs to sit quietly because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. Give an alternative that will genuinely stop Hamas from attacking Israel.
Hamas are scumbags for killing civilians because they could have taken the battle to the Israel army. They had a choice and went for civilians. But Israel does not have a choice because Hamas are hiding behind civilians. It's not that hard to see."What a load of shit, fight the IDF in the open. As I said they are not fighting the IDF they are fighting the IDF/USA. I agree they should come out & fight in the open. But, Same numbers, no planes, no tanks. Small arms & Mano o Mano. No resupply, no outside assistance winner take all. Losers leave & never come back, not even for a holiday. Banned, persona non grata forever. That’s the only fair “Out in the open” fight isn’t it? Would you agree to that as an out in the open fight or is your version of out in the open “So we can just slaughter them from afar without even getting blood on our uniforms”. I’d come out & fight in the first, I’d be an idiot to come out & fight in the second. As an aside our eleven year old said TicTok is full of people saying who you should support. She’s not been following so I froze the TV on a picture of Gaza & said the following. Ok, so you live on right/wrong not following any religion, So we’ll keep this simple. In that city underground are the bad guys who attacked Israel & killed 1500 people. Most died but their friends have spent years digging tunnels under the city so you have to get them out what do you do when 2m people live above them? “Send the army into the tunnels”. “You don’t just blow up the people on the surface? “Why would you do that? Why would you kill those people?”. “So you send the army in, you might lose more soldiers that way?” “True, but that’s their job isn’t it?” “Ok, well so far they haven’t done that, they’ve been blowing up the city & have killed 8000 people over 3000 of them children” “Well that’s just wrong”. “But they attacked you?” “Yeah but if Lucas beat me up, I beat Lucas up, I don’t beat up his brother Gareth do I”. Simple really. S | |||
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" Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. If a randomer on a swinging site believes he is morally smug enough to give some vague advice like "just don't kill civilians", that morally smug person should also give the alternative. Giving lame advice like that is easy if you don't have to give a solution. You're right. I'm not an IDF strategist, so can't articulate the alternatives. You've convinced me that we should all cheer on the mass murder of civilians in Gaza. No questions asked. Furthermore anyone who thinks it's not okay to just jump directly into bombing women and children should be hounded on a swingers website. Let's go!
No one here is cheering the death of civilians. At the same time, people understand the sad inevitability of it. That's why we are asking you to give alternatives because you keep saying that IDF should not do this. If you are going to use the "I am not an IDF strategist" excuse, you should also avoid giving useless advice to IDF like "just don't kill the civilians".
It's like going to a doctor cutting someone's limb off because of medical circumstances and saying "Cutting someone's limb off is just wrong. But I don't know the alternative. You are the doctor. You figure it out."
Nope.
You couldn't be further from my point if you tried.
Besides, you won me over. They should go directly to plan A. Mass murderer civilians. "You didn't make any point at all, other than repeatedly parroting "just don't kill civilians" Tell us how to destroy Hamas without going through civilians. If you don't have an alternative, your moral opinion is as useful as a cotton condom. | |||
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" Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. If a randomer on a swinging site believes he is morally smug enough to give some vague advice like "just don't kill civilians", that morally smug person should also give the alternative. Giving lame advice like that is easy if you don't have to give a solution. You're right. I'm not an IDF strategist, so can't articulate the alternatives. You've convinced me that we should all cheer on the mass murder of civilians in Gaza. No questions asked. Furthermore anyone who thinks it's not okay to just jump directly into bombing women and children should be hounded on a swingers website. Let's go!
No one here is cheering the death of civilians. At the same time, people understand the sad inevitability of it. That's why we are asking you to give alternatives because you keep saying that IDF should not do this. If you are going to use the "I am not an IDF strategist" excuse, you should also avoid giving useless advice to IDF like "just don't kill the civilians".
It's like going to a doctor cutting someone's limb off because of medical circumstances and saying "Cutting someone's limb off is just wrong. But I don't know the alternative. You are the doctor. You figure it out."
Nope.
You couldn't be further from my point if you tried.
Besides, you won me over. They should go directly to plan A. Mass murderer civilians.
You didn't make any point at all, other than repeatedly parroting "just don't kill civilians" Tell us how to destroy Hamas without going through civilians. If you don't have an alternative, your moral opinion is as useful as a cotton condom."I made one suggestion. What are your suggestions? | |||
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" What a load of shit, fight the IDF in the open. As I said they are not fighting the IDF they are fighting the IDF/USA. I agree they should come out & fight in the open. But, Same numbers, no planes, no tanks. Small arms & Mano o Mano. No resupply, no outside assistance winner take all. Losers leave & never come back, not even for a holiday. Banned, persona non grata forever. That’s the only fair “Out in the open” fight isn’t it? Would you agree to that as an out in the open fight or is your version of out in the open “So we can just slaughter them from afar without even getting blood on our uniforms”. I’d come out & fight in the first, I’d be an idiot to come out & fight in the second. As an aside our eleven year old said TicTok is full of people saying who you should support. She’s not been following so I froze the TV on a picture of Gaza & said the following. Ok, so you live on right/wrong not following any religion, So we’ll keep this simple. In that city underground are the bad guys who attacked Israel & killed 1500 people. Most died but their friends have spent years digging tunnels under the city so you have to get them out what do you do when 2m people live above them? “Send the army into the tunnels”. “You don’t just blow up the people on the surface? “Why would you do that? Why would you kill those people?”. “So you send the army in, you might lose more soldiers that way?” “True, but that’s their job isn’t it?” “Ok, well so far they haven’t done that, they’ve been blowing up the city & have killed 8000 people over 3000 of them children” “Well that’s just wrong”. “But they attacked you?” “Yeah but if Lucas beat me up, I beat Lucas up, I don’t beat up his brother Gareth do I”. Simple really. S" It's not like Hamas did not receive funding from other countries. Hamas has two options. Two come out in the open and take the fight like real freedom fighters or hide behind civilians and eventually get killed, but only after the death of thousands of civilians. The fact that they chose the second option shows how much they care about Palestinians. If they are not willing to face the repurcussion, they should not have done the attack in the first place. You don't go and brutally kill so many people and have a shocked pikachu look when Israel retaliate. As far as Lucas and Gareth example is concerned, imagine Lucas shooting at you repeatedly keeping Gareth as a shield. That's the better anology. Would you let Lucas kill you because Gareth is innocent or would you protect yourself at all cost? If Lucas cared about Gareth, he wouldn't be using him as a shield and if Gareth believes that Lucas is wrong, he would move out of the way and ask Lucas to go and fight without bringing him into this. | |||
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"What else should Israel do? Not mass murder civilians. (1) Perhaps, but what should Israel actually do in the question posed by the OP? Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. It would be more interesting to pose this question to those with a boner for mass murdering people. Because any of us opposed to such things would suggest all the other options first such as send in an under cover sniper. However none of us are IDF military strategists, so why is the onus on us to come up with a plan? (2) Is the greater hazard allowing Hamas (or any group) be allowed to engineer a situation where they can attack with relative impunity, or taking them out with regrettable but inevitable civilian casualties? This question appears to be the wrong way around. Israel are currently committing war crimes with impunity. (3) Does the population of Gaza bear any responsibility, however small, for permitting, tolerating or encouraging attacks on Israel by Hamas? Presumably some of them support Hamas. Personally I don't think all the women and children who live there deserve the death penalty (4) In your opinion is a military action in which there are inevitable civilian casualties ever justified? Not sure what question four has got to do with anything. In my opinion, everything should be done to avoid civilian casualties. What about you, what are your answers to these questions?" (1) Give warning, knock with warning missiles, convince as many people to leave as possible, use disinformation to convince them that there are missiles incoming, then send in a forces (not demolish it). If this were absolutely not an option for some reason and it were demonstrated to a high degree of certainty that its existence posed a threat, it would be missile strikes instead of infantry. We are not privy to the reality of the threat from the hospital or the actual plans to deal with it, of course - this is all speculation and hypothetical. (2) The overarching goal (and presumably why the West is supporting Israel) is the prevention of future situations like this, whether that be by eradicating Hamas entirely, demonstrating that it is never a good calculus to take civilians in this manner. It's like paying a black-mailer. It's a painful choice, and ultimately damaging in many ways for both sides. In this instance, it's more painful for Gazans, which makes for some very difficult Israeli questions. There is no question that the cost of the invasion by Hamas must be outweigh the benefit as a deterrent. The cost should be towards Hamas where possible. "This question appears to be the wrong way around. Israel are currently committing war crimes with impunity." The question is the right way around and remains valid - there is no question that Hamas has committed and continues to commit war crimes. There is an another question, which is: "is Israel committing war crimes, is it justified and what action should be taken against them?". Whattaboutism is, however, a convenient way to dodge a hard question, deflecting with righteous indignation .
(3) There is a spectrum of people within Gaza, some of whom hate Hamas and are persecuted by them and some of whom support them fully in a material and moral sense. Those who celebrate Israeli deaths may not actually harm Israelis, but they provide an environment in which Hamas can thrive. This is an incredibly difficult question to answer, and it's a bit like asking whether the Nazi Party represented Germany and whether German citizens were responsible for the horrors committed in their name. What's most difficult is knowing whether to treat Gaza as a small state who is committing aggressive acts (indiscriminate rockets, capturing civilians) against Israel or a state held hostage by Hamas. This ambiguity is exactly the issue that is being exploited by Hamas. Hamas has engineered a position in which their attacks are "a bunch of terrorists who do not represent the people of Gaza", but they actually act as the representative government of Gaza. So attacking them is difficult and a propaganda win whatever happens.
You could argue that they are kind-of neither, but are a people resisting occupation, which gives them moral impunity for any actions taken (this does seem to be a popular opinion in many circles). This is a difficult position to take for Gaza, specifically, though, given its history.
The fact of the matter is that Gazans are oppressed by Hamas, Israel and Egypt, each for their own reasons, whether justified or not. The young children are blameless. But is a mother who actively raises a child to become a murderer completely blameless? Is a female suicide bomber? In the modern age, "women and children" does not necessarily mean "non-combatants". And a harder question is what about the fully trained and armed 15/16 year-old participating in hostilities? But truly, these two examples might just be red herrings - who knows.
(4) Of course.
What question 4 has to do with anything is... Everything to do with the OP's original question. The unresolved question is "where do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable".
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You are right about why a "randomer on a swinging site" needs to do or say anything, but we're all here and commenting, aren't we? Why even have a politics forum (answer: to keep politics discussions out of the sex discussions). Since we're here, we might as well get things right where we can. | |||
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"4000 people are sheltering at this hospital mainly women and children.… they are frightened… the are confused… they are in shock… they have no where to go… they were told to evacuate south of Gaza.. then it was hit by an airstrike numerous times (the south of Gaza) 400 people in that hospital cannot move as they have severe injuries and health problems… the Dr’s won’t leave them… so what is the best option? I am talking about the Al-quds hospital… there is actually no proof that hamas are under that hospital… it’s what israel have said but not actually confirmed by anyone.. if they bomb the place with all those civilians.. there will be absolute outcry around the world. They have been warned repeatedly. Like I said are you going to move your family elsewhere if a F5 Tornado is coming? Or are you going to just sit there and be a dumbass? If you stay it's your fault. Exactly a few less idiots Arabs to worry about. Also gets rid of those old arsenal thats been sitting on shelves gathering dust." Your clearly a racist… “less Arabs to worry about” so anything you say is just blindly one sided | |||
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"What else should Israel do? Not mass murder civilians. (1) Perhaps, but what should Israel actually do in the question posed by the OP? Not sure why it's a randomer on a swinging site that needs to offer alternatives. Firstly I would have thought that mass murdering women and children should be more of a last resort, rather than a first port of call. It would be more interesting to pose this question to those with a boner for mass murdering people. Because any of us opposed to such things would suggest all the other options first such as send in an under cover sniper. However none of us are IDF military strategists, so why is the onus on us to come up with a plan? (2) Is the greater hazard allowing Hamas (or any group) be allowed to engineer a situation where they can attack with relative impunity, or taking them out with regrettable but inevitable civilian casualties? This question appears to be the wrong way around. Israel are currently committing war crimes with impunity. (3) Does the population of Gaza bear any responsibility, however small, for permitting, tolerating or encouraging attacks on Israel by Hamas? Presumably some of them support Hamas. Personally I don't think all the women and children who live there deserve the death penalty (4) In your opinion is a military action in which there are inevitable civilian casualties ever justified? Not sure what question four has got to do with anything. In my opinion, everything should be done to avoid civilian casualties. What about you, what are your answers to these questions? (1) Give warning, knock with warning missiles, convince as many people to leave as possible, use disinformation to convince them that there are missiles incoming, then send in a forces (not demolish it). If this were absolutely not an option for some reason and it were demonstrated to a high degree of certainty that its existence posed a threat, it would be missile strikes instead of infantry. We are not privy to the reality of the threat from the hospital or the actual plans to deal with it, of course - this is all speculation and hypothetical. (2) The overarching goal (and presumably why the West is supporting Israel) is the prevention of future situations like this, whether that be by eradicating Hamas entirely, demonstrating that it is never a good calculus to take civilians in this manner. It's like paying a black-mailer. It's a painful choice, and ultimately damaging in many ways for both sides. In this instance, it's more painful for Gazans, which makes for some very difficult Israeli questions. There is no question that the cost of the invasion by Hamas must be outweigh the benefit as a deterrent. The cost should be towards Hamas where possible. This question appears to be the wrong way around. Israel are currently committing war crimes with impunity. The question is the right way around and remains valid - there is no question that Hamas has committed and continues to commit war crimes. There is an another question, which is: "is Israel committing war crimes, is it justified and what action should be taken against them?". Whattaboutism is, however, a convenient way to dodge a hard question, deflecting with righteous indignation .
(3) There is a spectrum of people within Gaza, some of whom hate Hamas and are persecuted by them and some of whom support them fully in a material and moral sense. Those who celebrate Israeli deaths may not actually harm Israelis, but they provide an environment in which Hamas can thrive. This is an incredibly difficult question to answer, and it's a bit like asking whether the Nazi Party represented Germany and whether German citizens were responsible for the horrors committed in their name. What's most difficult is knowing whether to treat Gaza as a small state who is committing aggressive acts (indiscriminate rockets, capturing civilians) against Israel or a state held hostage by Hamas. This ambiguity is exactly the issue that is being exploited by Hamas. Hamas has engineered a position in which their attacks are "a bunch of terrorists who do not represent the people of Gaza", but they actually act as the representative government of Gaza. So attacking them is difficult and a propaganda win whatever happens.
You could argue that they are kind-of neither, but are a people resisting occupation, which gives them moral impunity for any actions taken (this does seem to be a popular opinion in many circles). This is a difficult position to take for Gaza, specifically, though, given its history.
The fact of the matter is that Gazans are oppressed by Hamas, Israel and Egypt, each for their own reasons, whether justified or not. The young children are blameless. But is a mother who actively raises a child to become a murderer completely blameless? Is a female suicide bomber? In the modern age, "women and children" does not necessarily mean "non-combatants". And a harder question is what about the fully trained and armed 15/16 year-old participating in hostilities? But truly, these two examples might just be red herrings - who knows.
(4) Of course.
What question 4 has to do with anything is... Everything to do with the OP's original question. The unresolved question is "where do you draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable".
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It is a highly complex and tragic set of circumstances across the Middle East and in and around Israel specifically, and in the Palestinian Territories more specifically. It's all around messy and very little is clear-cut.
You are right about why a "randomer on a swinging site" needs to do or say anything, but we're all here and commenting, aren't we? Why even have a politics forum (answer: to keep politics discussions out of the sex discussions). Since we're here, we might as well get things right where we can."This is a thoughtful answer. I've no problem with discussing actual options and opinions. I was answering the chap who seemed to get angry and insulting when faced with any opinion other than Israel has no choice but to bomb civilians. That's just has bad as Hamas supporters, who presumably feel the same way in reverse. | |||
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"What a load of shit, fight the IDF in the open. As I said they are not fighting the IDF they are fighting the IDF/USA. ... “Send the army into the tunnels”. “You don’t just blow up the people on the surface? “Why would you do that? Why would you kill those people?”. “So you send the army in, you might lose more soldiers that way?” “True, but that’s their job isn’t it?” " So Hamas would be stupid to engage in an open-battlefield fight, but the IDF should be taking the risk in the tunnels. That's like sending the Persians to Thermopylae. Bear in mind that the IDF is an army of civilians who are conscripted, made up of primarily reservists who, outside of military duty, are regular folk. The IDF are not going to send in waves of troops into tunnels without first creating conditions for a win and minimal losses on their side. | |||
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"Israel has the USA at their back, not necessarily to hide behind but without that cover it would be a different middle East given they are surrounded by enemies.." Here is a thought... The USA's backing of Israel does not actually protect Israel. It protects the rest of the Middle East. In the earlier days, it was not US backing that enabled Israel to win - Israel managed to fend off quite a few armies on multiple occasions, pretty much by themselves (yes, this can be debated, but it's broadly true). Israel is a nuclear power. There's no question that, if they faced the same armies as they did previously (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan +others) and they looked like they were going to lose, they'd invoke the nuclear option. The USA spends more effort in restraining Israel than enabling aggression. Look at Iron Dome - if it did not exist, what would Israel's option be? There was even outrage from Israel's military about Iron Dome in its planning stages, because Israel had an offensive doctrine, not a defensive one. It now tolerates thousands of missiles. The US funds it for two reasons. (1) Field testing, data and R&D, and (2) It allows Israel to not react and upset the balance of peace. What changed on October 7 (other than a spectacular failing from the military, intelligence and its political oversight) is that Israel could not remain complacent. This worried the USA, specifically because of the rest of the Middle East. Should Hezbollah get involved, should Yemen get involved, should Syria get involved... Israel might go after them, Saudi Arabia might get involved, Turkey might, who knows what the Kurds would do. This is where the petrodollar and fuel security become interesting. The USA does not really want to support Israel's aggressive activities, but rather curtail them and contain any regional fallout. | |||
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"Israel has the USA at their back, not necessarily to hide behind but without that cover it would be a different middle East given they are surrounded by enemies.. Here is a thought... The USA's backing of Israel does not actually protect Israel. It protects the rest of the Middle East. In the earlier days, it was not US backing that enabled Israel to win - Israel managed to fend off quite a few armies on multiple occasions, pretty much by themselves (yes, this can be debated, but it's broadly true). Israel is a nuclear power. There's no question that, if they faced the same armies as they did previously (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan +others) and they looked like they were going to lose, they'd invoke the nuclear option. The USA spends more effort in restraining Israel than enabling aggression. Look at Iron Dome - if it did not exist, what would Israel's option be? There was even outrage from Israel's military about Iron Dome in its planning stages, because Israel had an offensive doctrine, not a defensive one. It now tolerates thousands of missiles. The US funds it for two reasons. (1) Field testing, data and R&D, and (2) It allows Israel to not react and upset the balance of peace. What changed on October 7 (other than a spectacular failing from the military, intelligence and its political oversight) is that Israel could not remain complacent. This worried the USA, specifically because of the rest of the Middle East. Should Hezbollah get involved, should Yemen get involved, should Syria get involved... Israel might go after them, Saudi Arabia might get involved, Turkey might, who knows what the Kurds would do. This is where the petrodollar and fuel security become interesting. The USA does not really want to support Israel's aggressive activities, but rather curtail them and contain any regional fallout." Agreed.. | |||
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"Israel has the USA at their back, not necessarily to hide behind but without that cover it would be a different middle East given they are surrounded by enemies.. Here is a thought... The USA's backing of Israel does not actually protect Israel. It protects the rest of the Middle East. In the earlier days, it was not US backing that enabled Israel to win - Israel managed to fend off quite a few armies on multiple occasions, pretty much by themselves (yes, this can be debated, but it's broadly true). Israel is a nuclear power. There's no question that, if they faced the same armies as they did previously (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan +others) and they looked like they were going to lose, they'd invoke the nuclear option. The USA spends more effort in restraining Israel than enabling aggression. Look at Iron Dome - if it did not exist, what would Israel's option be? There was even outrage from Israel's military about Iron Dome in its planning stages, because Israel had an offensive doctrine, not a defensive one. It now tolerates thousands of missiles. The US funds it for two reasons. (1) Field testing, data and R&D, and (2) It allows Israel to not react and upset the balance of peace. What changed on October 7 (other than a spectacular failing from the military, intelligence and its political oversight) is that Israel could not remain complacent. This worried the USA, specifically because of the rest of the Middle East. Should Hezbollah get involved, should Yemen get involved, should Syria get involved... Israel might go after them, Saudi Arabia might get involved, Turkey might, who knows what the Kurds would do. This is where the petrodollar and fuel security become interesting. The USA does not really want to support Israel's aggressive activities, but rather curtail them and contain any regional fallout." Gotta protect that petrodollar. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." You believe the pro Isreali propaganda the west propagates . Our politicians and media are disgusting. Yes hamas should be pilloried and condemned and the assault was unforgivable but Isreal has no resolve to find a peaceful solution while the blood money to buy armoury floods in from u.s. congress. 95 per cent of civilian deaths in the last 15 years ? Palestinian. 99 per cent conviction rate for Palestinian detainees. Gazzans denied access to basic amenities including medical in an open air prison. There land continuously sequestrated and homes bulldozed. 80 per cent of Palestinian children suffering clinical psychological trauma due to constant bombardment. Who's attacking who? Strange also that the world's most sophisticated intelligence service didn't know it was coming and stranger still the iron dome rendered useless. You ask what is isreal to do? It's simple. Treat the Palestinian people with dignity and not like dogs , which they have been doing for 50 years . Of all the people in history who should recognise the folly of subjugation and tyranny its the Jews. Yes it has a right to exist. Yes it should defend itself but proportionally. Yes the Arab states should stop the anti Isreal rhetoric. Isreal thought are blatantly the main protagonists in the conflict . | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest.You believe the pro Isreali propaganda the west propagates . Our politicians and media are disgusting. Yes hamas should be pilloried and condemned and the assault was unforgivable but Isreal has no resolve to find a peaceful solution while the blood money to buy armoury floods in from u.s. congress. 95 per cent of civilian deaths in the last 15 years ? Palestinian. 99 per cent conviction rate for Palestinian detainees. Gazzans denied access to basic amenities including medical in an open air prison. There land continuously sequestrated and homes bulldozed. 80 per cent of Palestinian children suffering clinical psychological trauma due to constant bombardment. Who's attacking who? Strange also that the world's most sophisticated intelligence service didn't know it was coming and stranger still the iron dome rendered useless. You ask what is isreal to do? It's simple. Treat the Palestinian people with dignity and not like dogs , which they have been doing for 50 years . Of all the people in history who should recognise the folly of subjugation and tyranny its the Jews. Yes it has a right to exist. Yes it should defend itself but proportionally. Yes the Arab states should stop the anti Isreal rhetoric. Isreal thought are blatantly the main protagonists in the conflict ." Who believes what now?  | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved." My god are you human? | |||
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"Israel has the USA at their back, not necessarily to hide behind but without that cover it would be a different middle East given they are surrounded by enemies.. Here is a thought... The USA's backing of Israel does not actually protect Israel. It protects the rest of the Middle East. In the earlier days, it was not US backing that enabled Israel to win - Israel managed to fend off quite a few armies on multiple occasions, pretty much by themselves (yes, this can be debated, but it's broadly true). Israel is a nuclear power. There's no question that, if they faced the same armies as they did previously (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan +others) and they looked like they were going to lose, they'd invoke the nuclear option. The USA spends more effort in restraining Israel than enabling aggression. Look at Iron Dome - if it did not exist, what would Israel's option be? There was even outrage from Israel's military about Iron Dome in its planning stages, because Israel had an offensive doctrine, not a defensive one. It now tolerates thousands of missiles. The US funds it for two reasons. (1) Field testing, data and R&D, and (2) It allows Israel to not react and upset the balance of peace. What changed on October 7 (other than a spectacular failing from the military, intelligence and its political oversight) is that Israel could not remain complacent. This worried the USA, specifically because of the rest of the Middle East. Should Hezbollah get involved, should Yemen get involved, should Syria get involved... Israel might go after them, Saudi Arabia might get involved, Turkey might, who knows what the Kurds would do. This is where the petrodollar and fuel security become interesting. The USA does not really want to support Israel's aggressive activities, but rather curtail them and contain any regional fallout." | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved.My god are you human?" Sometimes. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created " I agree. | |||
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"Easy solution. Abandon the middleast. Live and live. No outside interference. If Israel gets cornered and starts throwing nukes it wouldn't be anyone's fault but the belligerents in the Mideast. Let the best team win. The blame game would just be on those involved. Imagine that carnage. It would appease some people though no one was involved.My god are you human?" How about abandoning Jerusalem & irradiating it for a thousand years so no one can go within a hundred miles of it like a big Chernobyl. Hopefully the fighting over territory will slow down & in a thousand years we may have discovered all religion is in fact hokum or we may discover or be contacted by the one true God who then tells us which if any religion were right within that time frame & everyone can go “Oh, Ok, we were right/wrong all along, Oh well never mind, when’s Emmerdale on? S S | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree. "
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S"Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand. | |||
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"I believe that Hamas and Hezbollah are backed by Iran, a Shi'ite state and others." Not quite so simple. Hamas is Islamic Brotherhood, which is a Sunni movement. Iran hates Israel more than they hate Sunni, so they back Hamas. Hezbollah is Shi'ite. It's very closely aligned with Iran. There is a LOT going on in the Middle East beyond religion. In Islam, you have Shi'ite, Sunni and countless other sects with varying degrees of cooperation and hatred. All of the other numerous religions get along with all others with wildly varying success. You have racial tensions, with Persians, Kurds, Yazidis, Mirahi Jews, Druze, Ashkenazi Jews, Turks, Ethiopan, Sudanese, other Africans. Some religions see racial tiers or issues, others don't. Then you have nations, many of which are very recent and artificial (like Jordan, as one example) and have no real historical antecedent - this breeds nationalism that is more about confirming the power of its dictators. In fact, tribalism and family are usually more important to many in the region than nationalism (which is a kind of tribalism of the ruler, anyway) or even religion. "Israel is backed by the West and others. Any peacekeeping would only be acceptable to Israel if Sunni sponsored which wouldn'tbe accepted by Iran. This would also mirror the current Iran v Saudi malaise which I think was the real reason why the current violence is taking place in that it wasn't in the Iranian interest for Saudi to normalise relations with Israel." This is not really correct, and is at best an oversimplification with some conjecture thrown in. Israel would not really care who peacekeepers were, as long as they were effective peacekeepers. There is no way that anyone on the planet (except Russia/NK) would want Iran in any way involved. Egypt would be the most logical, since Gaza was actually administered by Egypt and Gazans had/have Egyptian passports. However, Egypt pretty much sees them as undesirables (the way UKIP sees Romanian Gypsies) and has no interest in them at all. They keep the border tight to stop them flooding into Egypt. "So where is this going after the current violence ceases? I believe that there will be a period of uneasy quiet while the West plays the Sunni card while Iran continues to support the Shi'ite cause. This may sound like a simplistic view and Sunni doesn't always mean good nor Shi'ite, bad. After all,Osama bin Laden was a Sunni." Who says "Sunni good, Shi'ite, bad"? "But people do not always look at the background before commenting." Indeed. "One last consideration, if Iran gets more involved, just watch the price of energy rocket again." Yes. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand."I mean if Israel didn’t have the backing of the US no matter what would they be this aggressive, aware that there are repurcusions? And if history recalls blu, America is the only country that has ever actually fired a nuclear arm at others | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.
I mean if Israel didn’t have the backing of the US no matter what would they be this aggressive, aware that there are repurcusions?
And if history recalls blu, America is the only country that has ever actually fired a nuclear arm at others"If Israel didn’t have the USA or the USA said “Ok you lot, fight it out amongst yourselves but first one to fire a nuke no matter who will cease to exist”. Then Israel would be attacked & likely fend off the attackers but from there any attacks would unlike now be tit for tat, not like the last fifty plus year where they have been tit for rattatat tat. The numbers do not lie & there’s only so many you can blame on the other side using human shields. 2/1? Maybe 3/1 would be acceptable but some years it’s been 100/1 & that’s not excusable. S | |||
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"The numbers do not lie & there’s only so many you can blame on the other side using human shields. 2/1? Maybe 3/1 would be acceptable but some years it’s been 100/1 & that’s not excusable." Which statistics are these - civilians to terrorists, Palestinians to Israelis? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.
I mean if Israel didn’t have the backing of the US no matter what would they be this aggressive, aware that there are repurcusions?
And if history recalls blu, America is the only country that has ever actually fired a nuclear arm at others
If Israel didn’t have the USA or the USA said “Ok you lot, fight it out amongst yourselves but first one to fire a nuke no matter who will cease to exist”.
Then Israel would be attacked & likely fend off the attackers but from there any attacks would unlike now be tit for tat, not like the last fifty plus year where they have been tit for rattatat tat.
The numbers do not lie & there’s only so many you can blame on the other side using human shields. 2/1? Maybe 3/1 would be acceptable but some years it’s been 100/1 & that’s not excusable.
S"they were attacked they are going to the direct combatants that caused the attack. Should Syria Lebanon and Iran be involved? Hamas gets military backing from them. No different than the US supplying Israel. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.
I mean if Israel didn’t have the backing of the US no matter what would they be this aggressive, aware that there are repurcusions?
And if history recalls blu, America is the only country that has ever actually fired a nuclear arm at others"We did drop it to end the war.would you prefer Israel to do the same? | |||
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"Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, taken and occupied by force since 1947 You will need to explain that, modify your year or brush up on Middle Eastern history. Which settlements existed since 1947/8, exactly?" Read up about the massacre of Deir Yassin, occurring one month before Israel came to being. Palestinian villagers where butchered. Carried out by Zionist militant groups aka terrorists, the Lehi and Irgun. Even Einstein referred to them as terrorists. Between 1947-1949, 750,000 indigenous Palestinians where forced out of their homes by gunpoint, bombings and 15 thousand of them were slaughtered. This pattern of oppression has continued ever since. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand."Lessons in comprehension from an American? How ironic. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.Lessons in comprehension from an American? How ironic."That's a bit low. Attack the post. Not the poster. | |||
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"Read up about the massacre of Deir Yassin, occurring one month before Israel came to being. Palestinian villagers where butchered." Deir Yassin massacre: Both chief Rabbis and many Jews condemned the attack. Jews and Israel acknowledged it as a terrorist attack, and apologised. What's an apology worth? More than nothing. An acknowledgement of wrongdoing. Now, why not bring up the other side of that equation and the massacres committed by Arabs against Jews around the same time, for more context? "Between 1947-1949, 750,000 indigenous Palestinians where forced out of their homes by gunpoint, bombings and 15 thousand of them were slaughtered. This pattern of oppression has continued ever since." The context of the question "Which settlements existed since 1947/8, exactly?" was in response to "Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, taken and occupied by force since 1947". Now - what happened to the Jews who were in the Arab controlled areas pre-1948? Were all 750,000 marched off at gunpoint, or did some leave under different circumstances? There is no issue with your facts, but when you present one side without the context of the other, it kind of looks a little... one-sided. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage " You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.
I mean if Israel didn’t have the backing of the US no matter what would they be this aggressive, aware that there are repurcusions?
And if history recalls blu, America is the only country that has ever actually fired a nuclear arm at others We did drop it to end the war.would you prefer Israel to do the same? "Get it right you dropped the bomb to end a war that was ending anyway a bit earlier. It was less about the war & more about sending a signal to the Russians. Obviously a free test or two on the long term effects on humans without recourse is not to be sniffed at either. America did not need to drop the bomb, it chose to, sure it saved GI lives which is a good thing but seeing as America went to Korea just a few years later it’s obvious that was not the primary reason for dropping the bomb, Russia was. S | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that." So UNRWA teaching children to shoot guns is fact then? (Israel Foreign minister) Or is only the Palestinian side full of bullshit? S | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. So UNRWA teaching children to shoot guns is fact then? (Israel Foreign minister) Or is only the Palestinian side full of bullshit? S" Are you asking me? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.
I mean if Israel didn’t have the backing of the US no matter what would they be this aggressive, aware that there are repurcusions?
And if history recalls blu, America is the only country that has ever actually fired a nuclear arm at others
If Israel didn’t have the USA or the USA said “Ok you lot, fight it out amongst yourselves but first one to fire a nuke no matter who will cease to exist”.
Then Israel would be attacked & likely fend off the attackers but from there any attacks would unlike now be tit for tat, not like the last fifty plus year where they have been tit for rattatat tat.
The numbers do not lie & there’s only so many you can blame on the other side using human shields. 2/1? Maybe 3/1 would be acceptable but some years it’s been 100/1 & that’s not excusable.
S they were attacked they are going to the direct combatants that caused the attack. Should Syria Lebanon and Iran be involved? Hamas gets military backing from them. No different than the US supplying Israel.
"Fuck me those tunnels must be huge! Tanks, F15s,16’s, F35’s or the Mig equivalent, cruise missiles? Makes you wonder why they haven’t used all these weapons already really.
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. So UNRWA teaching children to shoot guns is fact then? (Israel Foreign minister) Or is only the Palestinian side full of bullshit? S Are you asking me?" I guess yes. If Israeli leaders can come up with this bollox to try & pre justify killing kids in the ground offensive what makes you think anything else they say is true? S | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. So UNRWA teaching children to shoot guns is fact then? (Israel Foreign minister) Or is only the Palestinian side full of bullshit? S Are you asking me? I guess yes. If Israeli leaders can come up with this bollox to try & pre justify killing kids in the ground offensive what makes you think anything else they say is true? S" What 'bollocks' are you talking about? I was replying to Fabio. I haven't said anything either side has said is true or false. If you read my OP, you'll see that I clearly said I seen that question posed elsewhere. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.
I mean if Israel didn’t have the backing of the US no matter what would they be this aggressive, aware that there are repurcusions?
And if history recalls blu, America is the only country that has ever actually fired a nuclear arm at others We did drop it to end the war.would you prefer Israel to do the same?
Get it right you dropped the bomb to end a war that was ending anyway a bit earlier. It was less about the war & more about sending a signal to the Russians.
Obviously a free test or two on the long term effects on humans without recourse is not to be sniffed at either.
America did not need to drop the bomb, it chose to, sure it saved GI lives which is a good thing but seeing as America went to Korea just a few years later it’s obvious that was not the primary reason for dropping the bomb, Russia was.
S"Did Japan capitulate after Operation Meetinghouse? No they did not.(Which was way worse than what the Enola gay and boxcar dropped.) That how you win wars. If you want to bring up bodies stacked. Well there isn't enough forum space for what GB has done. How is your life by the way? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. If I was Israeli, withdraw to your original borders and create a palestinian state which links the west bank to Gaza, because without a Palestinian state there can be no peace for Israel. As the british goverment stop saying Israel has a right to defend itself as this version of defence is a genocide. From a global perspective why are American warships off the coast? You’ll eventually return to somewhere else in the world and leave a trail of carnage like Afghanistan and then complain about refugees that your tax dollars indirectly created I agree.
I did ask the Warmonger expert here where has America got involved & left a population in a better place than before they arrived.
Surprisingly I didn’t actually get an answer so i’ll do it myself.
Cambodia 67-75 -Nope
Libya 86 - Nope
Panama - Maybe
Gulf 1 - Nope
Somalia - Maybe
Haiti 94/95 - Puppet reinstated so maybe
Iraq - Nope
Afghanistan - Nope
Yemen - Ongoing really
Gulf 2 - Nope
Libya - Got rid of a once ally in mad Gaddafi But Nope
Syria - Ongoing
My question is not did you defeat an enemy, actually rather the enemy of the USA or it’s allies as in many instances this was successful.
My question was from an individual of those lands perspective did the USA actually leave anywhere in a better position than when they arrived.
If the answer is no then who is the real danger to the civilian minding their own business. The terrorist or the USA?
If Israel occupy Gaza who thinks Palestinians will say “Thank fck they are here & got rid of those terrorists Hamas”. From a refugee tent amongst the rubble, on the wrong side of a new wall in Gaza while watching the seafront condo’s go up?
Anyone?
S Balfour Agreement? If you want to cast blame. This a direct result. You don't like the US preventing a nuclear war. Send your fleet and military to Palestine then show us how it is done. Go stop Israel. It would be fantastic if we pulled out and have other nations get blamed. Sit back and watch the light show. Contact your PM and do that. Have the UK military go it alone. Wishful thinking on my part. If you can't see the bigger picture. It's not my fault that you do not understand.Lessons in comprehension from an American? How ironic."What is Ironic is the USS Battann full of seamen and Marines in the Med. Baton and Battann almost sound the same and I get attacked. Funny.  | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that." I am not inclined to believe Hamas…. I am not inclined to believe the IDF Do you want to know who I am inclined to believe… the Red Cross/Red Crescent who say they thank moving those patients would be in effect a death sentence I am inclined to believe the United Nations… UNRWA and UNICEF.. who’s relief workers are on the ground, teaching in the schools, managing the relief effort aid I am inclined to believe Medicine Sans Frontiere , who are supplying a lot of the doctors in the hospitals Israel are pre warning you of the excuses that will be used The moment they bomb the shit out of hospitals they are no better than Hamas who brutally killed those people One set of war crimes doesn’t excuse another…. | |||
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"Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context…" Convenient how? What had Israel to gain if they bomb a hospital? " it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. " Hamas wins a PR victory. What does Israel gain? Are you putting out that Israel is actually just full of evil baby killers, for no military or strategic gain? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. I am not inclined to believe Hamas…. I am not inclined to believe the IDF Do you want to know who I am inclined to believe… the Red Cross/Red Crescent who say they thank moving those patients would be in effect a death sentence I am inclined to believe the United Nations… UNRWA and UNICEF.. who’s relief workers are on the ground, teaching in the schools, managing the relief effort aid I am inclined to believe Medicine Sans Frontiere , who are supplying a lot of the doctors in the hospitals Israel are pre warning you of the excuses that will be used The moment they bomb the shit out of hospitals they are no better than Hamas who brutally killed those people One set of war crimes doesn’t excuse another…. " Israel have to pre warn due to Article 19. By pre warning, they are in fact not commiting a crime by dropping a bomb on said location. I haven't said at any point they are any better than Hamas, I question you exaggerating figures. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. I am not inclined to believe Hamas…. I am not inclined to believe the IDF Do you want to know who I am inclined to believe… the Red Cross/Red Crescent who say they thank moving those patients would be in effect a death sentence I am inclined to believe the United Nations… UNRWA and UNICEF.. who’s relief workers are on the ground, teaching in the schools, managing the relief effort aid I am inclined to believe Medicine Sans Frontiere , who are supplying a lot of the doctors in the hospitals Israel are pre warning you of the excuses that will be used The moment they bomb the shit out of hospitals they are no better than Hamas who brutally killed those people One set of war crimes doesn’t excuse another…. " I can understand your list of more trusted sources. Are you saying that these organizations know whether or not Hamas has a base under the hospital? Are you also saying that Israel wants to bomb the hospital just to kill civilians? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. I am not inclined to believe Hamas…. I am not inclined to believe the IDF Do you want to know who I am inclined to believe… the Red Cross/Red Crescent who say they thank moving those patients would be in effect a death sentence I am inclined to believe the United Nations… UNRWA and UNICEF.. who’s relief workers are on the ground, teaching in the schools, managing the relief effort aid I am inclined to believe Medicine Sans Frontiere , who are supplying a lot of the doctors in the hospitals Israel are pre warning you of the excuses that will be used The moment they bomb the shit out of hospitals they are no better than Hamas who brutally killed those people One set of war crimes doesn’t excuse another…. I can understand your list of more trusted sources. Are you saying that these organizations know whether or not Hamas has a base under the hospital? Are you also saying that Israel wants to bomb the hospital just to kill civilians?" This is what the Israeli prime minister said literally a couple of hours ago: “There will not be a ceasefire, this is a time for war, a time for everyone to decide where they stand. Even the most just wars have unintended civilian casualties “ They are pre warning you…. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. I am not inclined to believe Hamas…. I am not inclined to believe the IDF Do you want to know who I am inclined to believe… the Red Cross/Red Crescent who say they thank moving those patients would be in effect a death sentence I am inclined to believe the United Nations… UNRWA and UNICEF.. who’s relief workers are on the ground, teaching in the schools, managing the relief effort aid I am inclined to believe Medicine Sans Frontiere , who are supplying a lot of the doctors in the hospitals Israel are pre warning you of the excuses that will be used The moment they bomb the shit out of hospitals they are no better than Hamas who brutally killed those people One set of war crimes doesn’t excuse another…. I can understand your list of more trusted sources. Are you saying that these organizations know whether or not Hamas has a base under the hospital? Are you also saying that Israel wants to bomb the hospital just to kill civilians? This is what the Israeli prime minister said literally a couple of hours ago: “There will not be a ceasefire, this is a time for war, a time for everyone to decide where they stand. Even the most just wars have unintended civilian casualties “ They are pre warning you…. " None of this answers the questions I asked in relation to your statements. Again do you know if your trusted sources know whether there is a Hamas base under the hospital? Are you saying that Israel want to bomb the hospital just to kill civilians? | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." I've got to applaud you on your post and I'm surprised you've been allowed to keep the post as it doesn't go with all the woke snowflakes versions of the nasty isralie government and what they are doing to poor Hamas in gaza.they are both to blame for the situation and years of hatrid between them has finally boiled over with Hamas underestimating how Israel would retaliate | |||
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"You should see the YouTube figures viewing the live war cams. It's doing well. People love violence " It is war. People that are generally interested. Never experienced it. They try to grasp the situation to get a better understanding. Isn't social media grand... | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that." Re: figures I quoted…. 103 aid workers killed in total including 67 UNRWA personnel Source… the UK ambassador to the United Nations in the UN security council meeting this evening (would you like the timestamp for the meeting on YouTube… I can find it for you if you absolutely want me to) | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. Re: figures I quoted…. 103 aid workers killed in total including 67 UNRWA personnel Source… the UK ambassador to the United Nations in the UN security council meeting this evening (would you like the timestamp for the meeting on YouTube… I can find it for you if you absolutely want me to) " at what point are you are going to realize that the body bags you are counting are in a warzone? The people you are complaining about knew the risks. Guess you can't grasp that concept. It's war. Tell me it is not. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. Re: figures I quoted…. 103 aid workers killed in total including 67 UNRWA personnel Source… the UK ambassador to the United Nations in the UN security council meeting this evening (would you like the timestamp for the meeting on YouTube… I can find it for you if you absolutely want me to) at what point are you are going to realize that the body bags you are counting are in a warzone? The people you are complaining about knew the risks. Guess you can't grasp that concept. It's war. Tell me it is not. " I will give them the valiant effort of trying. You see how valantry plays out sometimes. | |||
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"Would everyone be happy if I post past wars body counts every single day? Or does everyone need the current count. Civilians and military deaths. Just to be fair. Japan had a mind boggling amount. Oh look there are a ally. Weird. After all that tragedy. They have evolved into a wonderful country. " Can't deny that. Fanatics. Yet learned tolerance. Same scenario same fanatics different religion. Strange. | |||
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"Would everyone be happy if I post past wars body counts every single day? Or does everyone need the current count. Civilians and military deaths. Just to be fair. Japan had a mind boggling amount. Oh look there are a ally. Weird. After all that tragedy. They have evolved into a wonderful country. " my point. It strange how history repeats itself. Yet people can't realize the past mistakes. Yet those same mistakes apply now and people can't learn from the past. Back then Japan where fanatical. Putting thier population at risk. Yet now they are a staunch ally. The atrocities that Japan committed makes Hamas look like amateurs. Yet when Japan was taught to kneel to global persuasion for those beliefs. Hamas gets the go ahead to do what they want. It's just my perspective. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. Re: figures I quoted…. 103 aid workers killed in total including 67 UNRWA personnel Source… the UK ambassador to the United Nations in the UN security council meeting this evening (would you like the timestamp for the meeting on YouTube… I can find it for you if you absolutely want me to) " You should be more careful with your words... You specifically quoted UN personnel. Of which the UN themselves says there has been 63. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. Re: figures I quoted…. 103 aid workers killed in total including 67 UNRWA personnel Source… the UK ambassador to the United Nations in the UN security council meeting this evening (would you like the timestamp for the meeting on YouTube… I can find it for you if you absolutely want me to) You should be more careful with your words... You specifically quoted UN personnel. Of which the UN themselves says there has been 63." Give it a few hours 
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest." I would expect my country to do pretty much what Israel is doing in this circumstance, give plenty of warning and at a given time flatten the hospital. The terrorists have a strategy of hiding amongst the innocent to prevent attacks on themselves, with zero care if it causes casualties or deaths of those they hide amongst. Taking this hard route could have many longterm advantages, Hamas no longer feel safe hiding in these places, people know these places are not safe and still Hamas use them as a base. If it turns the tide of opinion or choice, it could bring about change. | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx" This is a terrorist supporting chant I believe? I guess you are either naive, or a terrorist.. | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx This is a terrorist supporting chant I believe? I guess you are either naive, or a terrorist.. " It isn't specifically a terrorist chant. It is broadly believed to mean that Israel plus the Palestinian Territories should be under the rule of Palestinians (from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean). The often perceived subtext is that it should be cleansed of Jews, although this is not explicitly stated. | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx This is a terrorist supporting chant I believe? I guess you are either naive, or a terrorist.. It isn't specifically a terrorist chant. It is broadly believed to mean that Israel plus the Palestinian Territories should be under the rule of Palestinians (from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean). The often perceived subtext is that it should be cleansed of Jews, although this is not explicitly stated." I was saying it was a chant that is recognised as support, not is a specific terrorist chant. The ambiguity of use should be faced into for what it is, deliberate play on words to be offensive and stay on in line with could be, it might not be. If someone uses this phrase, I believe them to be naive or a supporter for the total removal of Jews in Israel. | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx Anything else to contribute besides what you been told? It's not like you are being original. Social media much? " says blu who swallows whatever the Israeli gov says | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx Anything else to contribute besides what you been told? It's not like you are being original. Social media much? says blu who swallows whatever the Israeli gov says" I didn't chant anything  | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx Anything else to contribute besides what you been told? It's not like you are being original. Social media much? says blu who swallows whatever the Israeli gov says I didn't chant anything "nope but you are fully behind the Israeli goverment wiping out gaza u just as bad as those who are cheering what hamas done | |||
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"I was saying it was a chant that is recognised as support, not is a specific terrorist chant. The ambiguity of use should be faced into for what it is, deliberate play on words to be offensive and stay on in line with could be, it might not be. If someone uses this phrase, I believe them to be naive or a supporter for the total removal of Jews in Israel." It could be support for terrorism. Many people believe that Israel is a bunch of European Jews who kicked out peaceful indigenous Arabs from their homeland by force and are occupying their land. If you believe that, then the chant is not necessarily support for terrorists (although it often is), but rather a political or moral view on the Israel/Palestine situation. In a free society, we allow people to hold these views, whether or not we agree with them. When it is chanted at a Jew in London going about their business, it's harassment and misguided anti-Semitism. When it's chanted at a rally, it probably means "destroy Israel and all the non-Arabs (i.e. Jews) in it", but the ambiguity allows tolerance of it. | |||
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"Palestinians should also be free of the threat and the actuality of being evicted from villages their families have lived in for decades by armed settler's acting under the security of the IDF in the West Bank.. " The racist and discriminatory actions of far-right Israeli settlers against Arabs in the West Bank is a shame for Israel and its legitimacy. However, would it be appropriate to say "the actions of those settlers didn't happen in a vacuum"? | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx Anything else to contribute besides what you been told? It's not like you are being original. Social media much? says blu who swallows whatever the Israeli gov says I didn't chant anything nope but you are fully behind the Israeli goverment wiping out gaza u just as bad as those who are cheering what hamas done"It is war. I been saying that repeatedly. In case you haven't noticed. Hamas the ruling giver in Gaza chose to attack the ruling government in Israel. Israel has the bigger stick and now the government in Gaza is paying the price of course Palestinians are going to die. Israel declared war. That is on every news outlet. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. I am not inclined to believe Hamas…. I am not inclined to believe the IDF Do you want to know who I am inclined to believe… the Red Cross/Red Crescent who say they thank moving those patients would be in effect a death sentence I am inclined to believe the United Nations… UNRWA and UNICEF.. who’s relief workers are on the ground, teaching in the schools, managing the relief effort aid I am inclined to believe Medicine Sans Frontiere , who are supplying a lot of the doctors in the hospitals Israel are pre warning you of the excuses that will be used The moment they bomb the shit out of hospitals they are no better than Hamas who brutally killed those people One set of war crimes doesn’t excuse another…. I can understand your list of more trusted sources. Are you saying that these organizations know whether or not Hamas has a base under the hospital? Are you also saying that Israel wants to bomb the hospital just to kill civilians? This is what the Israeli prime minister said literally a couple of hours ago: “There will not be a ceasefire, this is a time for war, a time for everyone to decide where they stand. Even the most just wars have unintended civilian casualties “ They are pre warning you…. " Making the audience use to murder, already giving the excuse of why such large numbers should be murdered. Kind of murder by agreement, if they are hiding in the hospital, then it is ok to murder all the people around and inside. After all Israel has the right to defend itself. | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx Anything else to contribute besides what you been told? It's not like you are being original. Social media much? says blu who swallows whatever the Israeli gov says I didn't chant anything nope but you are fully behind the Israeli goverment wiping out gaza u just as bad as those who are cheering what hamas done It is war. I been saying that repeatedly. In case you haven't noticed. Hamas the ruling giver in Gaza chose to attack the ruling government in Israel. Israel has the bigger stick and now the government in Gaza is paying the price of course Palestinians are going to die. Israel declared war. That is on every news outlet."Gotta protect that petrodollar. | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx Anything else to contribute besides what you been told? It's not like you are being original. Social media much? says blu who swallows whatever the Israeli gov says I didn't chant anything nope but you are fully behind the Israeli goverment wiping out gaza u just as bad as those who are cheering what hamas done It is war. I been saying that repeatedly. In case you haven't noticed. Hamas the ruling giver in Gaza chose to attack the ruling government in Israel. Israel has the bigger stick and now the government in Gaza is paying the price of course Palestinians are going to die. Israel declared war. That is on every news outlet.
Gotta protect that petrodollar."Yes that what it is. Not the fact Hamas decided to go on a rampage and Israel is responding to that attack. | |||
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free xx Anything else to contribute besides what you been told? It's not like you are being original. Social media much? says blu who swallows whatever the Israeli gov says I didn't chant anything nope but you are fully behind the Israeli goverment wiping out gaza u just as bad as those who are cheering what hamas done It is war. I been saying that repeatedly. In case you haven't noticed. Hamas the ruling giver in Gaza chose to attack the ruling government in Israel. Israel has the bigger stick and now the government in Gaza is paying the price of course Palestinians are going to die. Israel declared war. That is on every news outlet.
Gotta protect that petrodollar. Yes that what it is. Not the fact Hamas decided to go on a rampage and Israel is responding to that attack."Which if not controlled would escalate prices for the old economy, ours included but your would be greatly affected as oil is traded in the good old dollar. Yep gotta protect that petrodollar. | |||
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"Palestinians should also be free of the threat and the actuality of being evicted from villages their families have lived in for decades by armed settler's acting under the security of the IDF in the West Bank.. The racist and discriminatory actions of far-right Israeli settlers against Arabs in the West Bank is a shame for Israel and its legitimacy. However, would it be appropriate to say "the actions of those settlers didn't happen in a vacuum"?" Course it could but allowing it makes no sense strategy wise with one front in Gaza, the potential for Hezbollah entering the fight who are much better trained and armed than Hamas .. Maybe it's part of a plan to ethnically cleanse more parts of the West Bank to allow further unlawful settlements but it only serves to further inflame an already under siege part of the population who if they feel they simply have no option may will react en masse.. And Iran/Syria etc will use that.. | |||
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"I have this on twitter and tbh it made me actually think about it so.... I have a serious question and I’d appreciate a real answer. Hamas is using a hospital as its base. They are set up under the hospital. They are literally using sick people as human shields. Besides the blatant war crime that the world is so conveniently ignoring, what would you have Israel do? They have weapons of all kinds there and are attacking Israeli cities from within there. Asking for a real answer. What would you expect your country to do if it was in Israel’s position right now? We know exactly where the terrorists are hiding, exactly what they’re planning, exactly how they’re attacking us non stop, and they are using human shields so we don’t retaliate. I’d like to know what you’d want your government to do in this situation. Please be honest. Israel are alleging this… it’s a bit convenient to be right under the hospital, UNRWA is denying it’s being used in that context… it sets up Israel excuse for when they level it when it’s fill to the brim with hospital patients, babies in incubators, and patients in intensive care units , and people using it as a recognised UN shelter bearings in my homes have been destroyed They will claim people could have left, or that they are being used as human shields…. Just remember the amount of UN personnel that have been killed so far… approaching 100… teachers in U.N. schools , medical staff in U.N. facilities, food administration staff….. They will used to excuse people didn’t leave, and they are collateral damage You didn't answer the question Fabio. However, you were doing well u til you decided to inflate the UNRWA death figure. Not sure why you had to do that. I am not inclined to believe Hamas…. I am not inclined to believe the IDF Do you want to know who I am inclined to believe… the Red Cross/Red Crescent who say they thank moving those patients would be in effect a death sentence I am inclined to believe the United Nations… UNRWA and UNICEF.. who’s relief workers are on the ground, teaching in the schools, managing the relief effort aid I am inclined to believe Medicine Sans Frontiere , who are supplying a lot of the doctors in the hospitals Israel are pre warning you of the excuses that will be used The moment they bomb the shit out of hospitals they are no better than Hamas who brutally killed those people One set of war crimes doesn’t excuse another…. I can understand your list of more trusted sources. Are you saying that these organizations know whether or not Hamas has a base under the hospital? Are you also saying that Israel wants to bomb the hospital just to kill civilians? This is what the Israeli prime minister said literally a couple of hours ago: “There will not be a ceasefire, this is a time for war, a time for everyone to decide where they stand. Even the most just wars have unintended civilian casualties “ They are pre warning you…. Making the audience use to murder, already giving the excuse of why such large numbers should be murdered. Kind of murder by agreement, if they are hiding in the hospital, then it is ok to murder all the people around and inside. After all Israel has the right to defend itself." You are correct they do. Hamas are choosing to use those areas as staging grounds knowing it gives them the PR advantage if those areas are targeted and struck. They are complicit in the same murder. So yes civilians will die. | |||
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