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By *atEvolution OP   Couple 2 weeks ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sets-out-priorities-on-energy-and-climate-but-how-achievable-are-they-13175165

Besides, the cover photograph looking like an out take from a new episode of Wallis and Gromit . . .

But are we really going to believe these targets? I don't think so. 8/7 years to build a Nuclear power station. Wind farms much quicker at 3/5 months (but then there are those windless days, and the hyper windy days that you just can't generate anything. Large Solar Farms 4/5 months, for those lovely long sunshine days that we have in the 3 month summer of the UK. Tidal Power. Has anyone built a full commercial one, yet, that is worth it's salt?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sets-out-priorities-on-energy-and-climate-but-how-achievable-are-they-13175165

Besides, the cover photograph looking like an out take from a new episode of Wallis and Gromit . . .

But are we really going to believe these targets? I don't think so. 8/7 years to build a Nuclear power station. Wind farms much quicker at 3/5 months (but then there are those windless days, and the hyper windy days that you just can't generate anything. Large Solar Farms 4/5 months, for those lovely long sunshine days that we have in the 3 month summer of the UK. Tidal Power. Has anyone built a full commercial one, yet, that is worth it's salt?

"

Wikipedia has a list of tidal power stations.

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By *atEvolution OP   Couple 2 weeks ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke


"https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sets-out-priorities-on-energy-and-climate-but-how-achievable-are-they-13175165

Besides, the cover photograph looking like an out take from a new episode of Wallis and Gromit . . .

But are we really going to believe these targets? I don't think so. 8/7 years to build a Nuclear power station. Wind farms much quicker at 3/5 months (but then there are those windless days, and the hyper windy days that you just can't generate anything. Large Solar Farms 4/5 months, for those lovely long sunshine days that we have in the 3 month summer of the UK. Tidal Power. Has anyone built a full commercial one, yet, that is worth it's salt?

Wikipedia has a list of tidal power stations.

"

Don't put out much energy do they?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 2 weeks ago

Gilfach


"https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sets-out-priorities-on-energy-and-climate-but-how-achievable-are-they-13175165

Besides, the cover photograph looking like an out take from a new episode of Wallis and Gromit . . .

But are we really going to believe these targets? I don't think so. 8/7 years to build a Nuclear power station. Wind farms much quicker at 3/5 months (but then there are those windless days, and the hyper windy days that you just can't generate anything. Large Solar Farms 4/5 months, for those lovely long sunshine days that we have in the 3 month summer of the UK. Tidal Power. Has anyone built a full commercial one, yet, that is worth it's salt?"


"Wikipedia has a list of tidal power stations."

If we could replicate the most powerful of those (Sihwa Lake) here in the UK, we'd only need to build 90 of them to get to 100% green energy (since we already have a lot of 'renewables').

Of course, we'd still need all the nuclear and fossil fuel stations to keep us going for the 14 hours a day that our new stations weren't producing any power, because they only generate power on a rising tide.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 2 weeks ago

Central

We need to increase our energy production, storage and network connection abilities. Storage allows for some offsetting between generation types and usage needs. Tidal offshore is a possibility, as well as in places such as bays. We certainly need to be careful of wildlife and ecosystem damage.

At least inland wind generation can now continue

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sets-out-priorities-on-energy-and-climate-but-how-achievable-are-they-13175165

Besides, the cover photograph looking like an out take from a new episode of Wallis and Gromit . . .

But are we really going to believe these targets? I don't think so. 8/7 years to build a Nuclear power station. Wind farms much quicker at 3/5 months (but then there are those windless days, and the hyper windy days that you just can't generate anything. Large Solar Farms 4/5 months, for those lovely long sunshine days that we have in the 3 month summer of the UK. Tidal Power. Has anyone built a full commercial one, yet, that is worth it's salt?

Wikipedia has a list of tidal power stations.

If we could replicate the most powerful of those (Sihwa Lake) here in the UK, we'd only need to build 90 of them to get to 100% green energy (since we already have a lot of 'renewables').

Of course, we'd still need all the nuclear and fossil fuel stations to keep us going for the 14 hours a day that our new stations weren't producing any power, because they only generate power on a rising tide."

Or instead combine them with solar, wind, biogas, nuclear, pumped storage, geothermal, hydro, and some efficiencies.

But of course that wouldn't keep fossil fuels company profits high, so completely unrealistic.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 2 weeks ago

nearby

According to Reform, the UK carbon footprint is 0.8% of global footprint

Given global population expected to increase +25% an extra 2bn people by 2080, the majority borne into emerging economies with aspirations to achieve western living standards is the whole net zero agenda actually possible to achieve ?

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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sets-out-priorities-on-energy-and-climate-but-how-achievable-are-they-13175165

Besides, the cover photograph looking like an out take from a new episode of Wallis and Gromit . . .

But are we really going to believe these targets? I don't think so. 8/7 years to build a Nuclear power station. Wind farms much quicker at 3/5 months (but then there are those windless days, and the hyper windy days that you just can't generate anything. Large Solar Farms 4/5 months, for those lovely long sunshine days that we have in the 3 month summer of the UK. Tidal Power. Has anyone built a full commercial one, yet, that is worth it's salt?

Wikipedia has a list of tidal power stations.

If we could replicate the most powerful of those (Sihwa Lake) here in the UK, we'd only need to build 90 of them to get to 100% green energy (since we already have a lot of 'renewables').

Of course, we'd still need all the nuclear and fossil fuel stations to keep us going for the 14 hours a day that our new stations weren't producing any power, because they only generate power on a rising tide.

Or instead combine them with solar, wind, biogas, nuclear, pumped storage, geothermal, hydro, and some efficiencies.

But of course that wouldn't keep fossil fuels company profits high, so completely unrealistic. "

I think you worry too much about fossil fuel companies.

The future of our energy really isn’t a thing yet, when we can get to a place were we can combine nanotechnology and quantum technology, the breakthrough in clean synthetic energies will be realised.

Obviously that is a prediction

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 2 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Given global population expected to increase +25% an extra 2bn people by 2080, the majority borne into emerging economies with aspirations to achieve western living standards is the whole net zero agenda actually possible to achieve ?"

Even without an increase in population, it's still impossible to achieve.

Net zero doesn't mean that we won't be producing greenhouse gases, it just means that we'll 'offset' the emissions by getting some other country to plant trees for us. If that country is selling its green space to us, it won't be able to offset its own emissions.

Of course, humans being humans, what will actually happen is that UK companies will buy offsetting certificates, and rich people in foreign-land will pocket the money without bothering to plant the trees.

The only way to get down to actual zero is to stop burning fossil fuels, and we don't have any other alternatives at the moment.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"According to Reform, the UK carbon footprint is 0.8% of global footprint

"

What does the Beano say?


"

Given global population expected to increase +25% an extra 2bn people by 2080, the majority borne into emerging economies with aspirations to achieve western living standards is the whole net zero agenda actually possible to achieve ? "

It's very achievable. The main object is lack of political will, because the fossil fuel companies donate to most political parties around the globe.

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By *JB1954Man 2 weeks ago

Reading

If people check up online. Drax power station stopped burning coal. Yet now they burn wood pellets . So gone from fossil fuel to improve climate. But wood pellets. Yet trees are being planted to stop CO2. Pellets are shipped from abroad . Possibly rain forest.

Does that make good sense ?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"https://news.sky.com/story/labour-sets-out-priorities-on-energy-and-climate-but-how-achievable-are-they-13175165

Besides, the cover photograph looking like an out take from a new episode of Wallis and Gromit . . .

But are we really going to believe these targets? I don't think so. 8/7 years to build a Nuclear power station. Wind farms much quicker at 3/5 months (but then there are those windless days, and the hyper windy days that you just can't generate anything. Large Solar Farms 4/5 months, for those lovely long sunshine days that we have in the 3 month summer of the UK. Tidal Power. Has anyone built a full commercial one, yet, that is worth it's salt?

Wikipedia has a list of tidal power stations.

If we could replicate the most powerful of those (Sihwa Lake) here in the UK, we'd only need to build 90 of them to get to 100% green energy (since we already have a lot of 'renewables').

Of course, we'd still need all the nuclear and fossil fuel stations to keep us going for the 14 hours a day that our new stations weren't producing any power, because they only generate power on a rising tide.

Or instead combine them with solar, wind, biogas, nuclear, pumped storage, geothermal, hydro, and some efficiencies.

But of course that wouldn't keep fossil fuels company profits high, so completely unrealistic.

I think you worry too much about fossil fuel companies.

The future of our energy really isn’t a thing yet, when we can get to a place were we can combine nanotechnology and quantum technology, the breakthrough in clean synthetic energies will be realised.

Obviously that is a prediction "

I don't "worry" about them. Just how it is, governments around the world work in their interests. Follow the money.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 2 weeks ago

nearby


"According to Reform, the UK carbon footprint is 0.8% of global footprint

What does the Beano say?

Given global population expected to increase +25% an extra 2bn people by 2080, the majority borne into emerging economies with aspirations to achieve western living standards is the whole net zero agenda actually possible to achieve ?

It's very achievable. The main object is lack of political will, because the fossil fuel companies donate to most political parties around the globe. "

What about other options, I read 25% of global emissions are from meat farming.

Plant based diets would make a significant reduction ?

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/challenges/meat-and-dairy/#:~:text=Agriculture%20and%20deforestation%20contribute%20a,from%20a%20variety%20of%20sources.

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By *exy_HornyCouple 2 weeks ago

Leigh


"If people check up online. Drax power station stopped burning coal. Yet now they burn wood pellets . So gone from fossil fuel to improve climate. But wood pellets. Yet trees are being planted to stop CO2. Pellets are shipped from abroad . Possibly rain forest.

Does that make good sense ? "

Manufacturing wood pellets for power stations results in the destruction of ancient temperate rainforest. It is re-planted but the diverse ecosystem is lost for ever.

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By *iman2100Man 2 weeks ago

Glasgow

I feel very sorry for children born today. They are likely to be

the last humans, or parents of the last humans, to live on earth.

The way it goes is this. No government, or group of governments, is going to have the political courage, power or longevity to do what is necessary to stop global warming.

The changes in global weather will continue rendering more of the planet too hot and arid for humans to live in. Other areas will suffer from rising sea levels and increasingly violent storms that ruin crops on the ever decreasing agricultural land.

People's from non-viable lands will start to migrate to lands where humans can survive. The people's in those lands will fight to keep out the ever increasing tide of refugees.

The refugees will arm themselves because they have no choice. Skirmishes will increase to border wars until someone, probably Russia protecting its vast underutilised land mass, uses nuclear weapons. Then nuclear armagedden will commence.

So burn away the the fossil fuels we are not going to stop it.

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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"I feel very sorry for children born today. They are likely to be

the last humans, or parents of the last humans, to live on earth.

The way it goes is this. No government, or group of governments, is going to have the political courage, power or longevity to do what is necessary to stop global warming.

The changes in global weather will continue rendering more of the planet too hot and arid for humans to live in. Other areas will suffer from rising sea levels and increasingly violent storms that ruin crops on the ever decreasing agricultural land.

People's from non-viable lands will start to migrate to lands where humans can survive. The people's in those lands will fight to keep out the ever increasing tide of refugees.

The refugees will arm themselves because they have no choice. Skirmishes will increase to border wars until someone, probably Russia protecting its vast underutilised land mass, uses nuclear weapons. Then nuclear armagedden will commence.

So burn away the the fossil fuels we are not going to stop it."

the speed of climate change will not wipe out the human race in the next 2 generations.

Is this what is driving the anxiety amongst people?

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By *iman2100Man 2 weeks ago

Glasgow


"I feel very sorry for children born today. They are likely to be

the last humans, or parents of the last humans, to live on earth.

The way it goes is this. No government, or group of governments, is going to have the political courage, power or longevity to do what is necessary to stop global warming.

The changes in global weather will continue rendering more of the planet too hot and arid for humans to live in. Other areas will suffer from rising sea levels and increasingly violent storms that ruin crops on the ever decreasing agricultural land.

People's from non-viable lands will start to migrate to lands where humans can survive. The people's in those lands will fight to keep out the ever increasing tide of refugees.

The refugees will arm themselves because they have no choice. Skirmishes will increase to border wars until someone, probably Russia protecting its vast underutilised land mass, uses nuclear weapons. Then nuclear armagedden will commence.

So burn away the the fossil fuels we are not going to stop it.

the speed of climate change will not wipe out the human race in the next 2 generations.

Is this what is driving the anxiety amongst people?"

Climate change will not but armed unrestricted migration probably will. Increasing population and reducing human viable land mass is a dangerous scenario.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"According to Reform, the UK carbon footprint is 0.8% of global footprint

What does the Beano say?

Given global population expected to increase +25% an extra 2bn people by 2080, the majority borne into emerging economies with aspirations to achieve western living standards is the whole net zero agenda actually possible to achieve ?

It's very achievable. The main object is lack of political will, because the fossil fuel companies donate to most political parties around the globe.

What about other options, I read 25% of global emissions are from meat farming.

Plant based diets would make a significant reduction ?

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/challenges/meat-and-dairy/#:~:text=Agriculture%20and%20deforestation%20contribute%20a,from%20a%20variety%20of%20sources.

"

True, finding a way to feed everyone with less CO2 emissions is a piece in the puzzle.

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By *oolyCoolyCplCouple 2 weeks ago

Newcastle under Lyme

Who is profitting from NetZero contracts and policies? That's what folk need to be focussing on.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"Who is profitting from NetZero contracts and policies? That's what folk need to be focussing on."

Not much profit, compared to the fossil fuels industry. Which is why there is a lack of political will.

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By *onica-mayhemWoman 2 weeks ago

Belfast/dublin

I wish they'd hurry up with the solution or action plan. I'm totally fed up with sweltering under the extreme temperatures we're experiencing this summer.

With this being the hottest summer on record (surpassing the previous summer which was also the hottest on record) I am so through with baking under the heat!

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By *eroy1000Man 2 weeks ago

milton keynes


"Who is profitting from NetZero contracts and policies? That's what folk need to be focussing on."

Possibly big business again and with deadlines looming they will be needed more and more. Sometimes such situations lead to profiteering and artificially keeping prices high as without them targets are missed.

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By *2000ManMan 2 weeks ago

Worthing

Miliband bans new North Sea oil and gas licences. We will have to import even more now as the wind does not always blow. Sun does not always shine. Uk has sme of the highest energy bills in Europe and this happens. What a plank.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"Miliband bans new North Sea oil and gas licences. We will have to import even more now as the wind does not always blow. Sun does not always shine. Uk has sme of the highest energy bills in Europe and this happens. What a plank."

Moving away from externally priced fossil fuels will give us energy independence and in the long term, cheaper energy.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 2 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Miliband bans new North Sea oil and gas licences. We will have to import even more now as the wind does not always blow. Sun does not always shine. Uk has sme of the highest energy bills in Europe and this happens. What a plank."


"Moving away from externally priced fossil fuels will give us energy independence and in the long term, cheaper energy. "

Agreed.

But moving away from fossil fuels will take some time. If it takes 15 years to move away (possible if we start building nuclear now), then we need to make sure that we have 15 years worth of fossil fuel supplies to keep us going till then.

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By *oxychick35Couple 2 weeks ago

thornaby


"Miliband bans new North Sea oil and gas licences. We will have to import even more now as the wind does not always blow. Sun does not always shine. Uk has sme of the highest energy bills in Europe and this happens. What a plank.

Moving away from externally priced fossil fuels will give us energy independence and in the long term, cheaper energy. "

agree but fixing a plane while flying it is a bit silly

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"Miliband bans new North Sea oil and gas licences. We will have to import even more now as the wind does not always blow. Sun does not always shine. Uk has sme of the highest energy bills in Europe and this happens. What a plank.

Moving away from externally priced fossil fuels will give us energy independence and in the long term, cheaper energy. agree but fixing a plane while flying it is a bit silly "

Don't need to. It's just a transition.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"Miliband bans new North Sea oil and gas licences. We will have to import even more now as the wind does not always blow. Sun does not always shine. Uk has sme of the highest energy bills in Europe and this happens. What a plank.

Moving away from externally priced fossil fuels will give us energy independence and in the long term, cheaper energy.

Agreed.

But moving away from fossil fuels will take some time. If it takes 15 years to move away (possible if we start building nuclear now), then we need to make sure that we have 15 years worth of fossil fuel supplies to keep us going till then."

Which is fine, but it should be being pared back year on year.

And in actuality, it should have been started decades ago.

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