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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anything that gets the economy off the front pages is good news for Labour.
The most damaging aspects of Reeves’ budget are yet to kick in.
The Ukraine situation isn’t going to make anyone in the UK better off. If it has any economic or fiscal impact at all it is going to make things worse.
I’m sure Britain “standing up to dictators” kindles some deep historic psychological recollection for people in the UK. We love being reminded of “our finest hour” and better times.
But it’s not going to pay the bills. And the economy will soon be back in the headlines. |
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The meeting with Trump, well the offer of a state visit, was a misjudgment but I'm more impressed that he has met Zelenskyy, with a royal meeting, so soon after the ambush by the SpunkTrumpet and that evil little puddle of ejaculate Vance.
However, Starmer is soon going to have to tell Reeves that those red lines of hers can no longer apply... |
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I was thinking the same thing tonight OP.
The fact that he stepped straight into the hole that Trump and Vance left by bashing Zelensky is interesting . Offering the meeting with the King tomorrow is a power move given he only handed the letter to Trump a couple of days ago - I read that as him saying “Fuck you”. I think that what you are seeing here. along with the summit tomorrow, is the first steps away from a US orientated foreign policy to a more autonomous one.
I think the outcome of this summit (and the following) French one could be pivotal and it looks like Starmer could be going for it. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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My perspective is that the noise from government has reduced since last summer and that he to be a good thing in its own right. I think Starmer is OK, he is not embarrassing us on the world stage (far from it) and he is just getting on with government stuff. Personally I don’t want to feel triggered every few days by new radical policies - I just want things to to be steadfast and stable. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The meeting with Trump, well the offer of a state visit, was a misjudgment but I'm more impressed that he has met Zelenskyy, with a royal meeting, so soon after the ambush by the SpunkTrumpet and that evil little puddle of ejaculate Vance.
However, Starmer is soon going to have to tell Reeves that those red lines of hers can no longer apply... "
Yes, the economy is the big one. Either Reeves changes course or she is changes. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?"
There is a huge difference between a diplomat and a leader, ask Zelensky  |
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over a year ago
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Depends what you think he should be aspiring to? Another Trump? Vance? Putin? Erdogan? I think the world has enough macho leaders right now, and a 'cool head' is most welcome. In the circumstances, we might be lucky to have him. |
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Depends what you think he should be aspiring to? Another Trump? Vance? Putin? Erdogan? I think the world has enough macho leaders right now, and a 'cool head' is most welcome. In the circumstances, we might just be extremely lucky to have him. |
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I don’t think he’s getting better. Both domestic and foreign policies are driven by ideological dogma not by reality.
Chagos islands - complete madness to give them to Mauritius based on some advisory ruling by a non binding court.
Trade deal with the US. If it happens it will certainly not be in our favour. There will be something in there we have rejected before, maybe with the Labour obsession with destroying our farmers it will be relaxing food standards.
And domestically, pensioners, farmers, taxes, net zero etc. All making us poorer and destroying our green spaces.
He is also a liar, fiddling with numbers in the worst way possible. For example the 18bn defence increase is nothing of the sort and it isn’t clear whether it includes the payments to Mauritius. |
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Latest UK “loan” to Ukraine yesterday: £2.2 billion
Savings from scrapping Winter Fuel Allowance £2 billion.
If only the “hashtag Stand with Ukraine” posturing was free of charge.
The US seems to be very happy with the UK stepping in. Zelensky has ceased to be a US problem and has become a UK problem.
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He’s starting to look like a leader into standing upto to international aggression but domestically hasn’t improved things at all from the last 14 years. Few of his pledges seem to be happening at all but it can be hard to decipher the true impact due to left/right spin the polarisation that exists now. There is no middle ground of reasoning or nuance/context in a lot of discourse, social media hasn’t helped I don’t think. |
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He’s going through the doing ‘quite badly at home so look tough abroad’ phase.
I honestly think foreign policy is the only thing that can stop Labour being ousted at the next general election.
Without foreign policy successes, I could easily see them going the way of the SPD in Germany last week. Labour’s majority maybe a mile wide but it’s only an inch deep & remember they only enjoy unopposed power under our ridiculous electoral system which both the Lab & Con parties love so much because it enables this on a minority of votes.
You’d think Labour, being a ‘progressive’ party would see this clear injustice & right the wrong. But they aren’t interested. Wonder why. |
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"Anything that gets the economy off the front pages is good news for Labour.
The most damaging aspects of Reeves’ budget are yet to kick in.
The Ukraine situation isn’t going to make anyone in the UK better off. If it has any economic or fiscal impact at all it is going to make things worse.
I’m sure Britain “standing up to dictators” kindles some deep historic psychological recollection for people in the UK. We love being reminded of “our finest hour” and better times.
But it’s not going to pay the bills. And the economy will soon be back in the headlines. "
Not unless we put more in to Ukraine in the short term for a % of the minerals that could wipe out the national Debt and put the UK in a strong position. Then it's about where the cash comes from in the short term and if any other country wants in out side of the US |
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"Are people really going to judge the government on how Starmer supports Zelensky over Trump?
There is short sighted and this..."
I see the support as no different to how the tories got support during covid, or at least the first two waves and ppe scandal aside. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Are people really going to judge the government on how Starmer supports Zelensky over Trump?
There is short sighted and this...
I see the support as no different to how the tories got support during covid, or at least the first two waves and ppe scandal aside."
The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary."
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands. |
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"Not unless we put more in to Ukraine in the short term for a % of the minerals that could wipe out the national Debt and put the UK in a strong position."
Ukraine doesn't have any valuable minerals. It has about the same level of rare earths as anywhere else on the planet. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands. "
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day. "
I agree with you and ok, the televised Oval Office meeting was a bit of a car crash but I actually think Trump’s plan from what we know is much better than what Biden was enabling ie an incessant war.
1. The US recoups it’s financial outlay
2. US workers mining in Ukraine deter further Russian aggression
3. All the killing stops.
Sounds ok to me  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
I agree with you and ok, the televised Oval Office meeting was a bit of a car crash but I actually think Trump’s plan from what we know is much better than what Biden was enabling ie an incessant war.
1. The US recoups it’s financial outlay
2. US workers mining in Ukraine deter further Russian aggression
3. All the killing stops.
Sounds ok to me "
Trump has a plan, Europe doesn't beyond throwing sacrificial money at Ukraine. |
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Till there's a peace plan and the only one Putin will listen to at the moment is trump, then Europe has to continue the support both militarily and sanctions..
Any lessening of such support would only lead to Russia continuing it's war and stalling talks.. |
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"What actually is the Starmer/European plan?
They don’t seem to have one beyond going to conferences and tweeting stuff."
It might so cunning a plan that they sort of don't want to put it on social media for everyone to see ..
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"Not unless we put more in to Ukraine in the short term for a % of the minerals that could wipe out the national Debt and put the UK in a strong position.
Ukraine doesn't have any valuable minerals. It has about the same level of rare earths as anywhere else on the planet."
Realy where is the UK’S gold mine. 🤔 don't think there is much in the way of mining hear anymore even the gypsum mine is low on deposits. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day. "
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war. |
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?"
Perhaps rather than somewhat arrogantly suggesting Sir Keir (not Kier as you write) is growing into the job, I might arrogantly suggest perhaps it is you who is growing your understanding about what the role involves?
Yes a nasty comment about you, but many of us always felt Starmer would make the best PM of the choices available. Welcome to our world! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war. "
That is a different proposition to what is happening now or expected, so I would expect a different outcome.
It would be a good start to get a plan for now as a priority. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war. "
I’m sure fights break out all over the UK every Saturday night but I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to get involved in all of them. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war.
That is a different proposition to what is happening now or expected, so I would expect a different outcome.
It would be a good start to get a plan for now as a priority. "
Sow you think Putin will stick to the agreement with Trump even if the USA don't want anything to do with it.
I see it more as USA confirming Europe is now on its own with Russia. And what happens will happen.
But I guess as individuals there is not much we can do but watch from the side line. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war.
I’m sure fights break out all over the UK every Saturday night but I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to get involved in all of them."
So your happy to get involved in some of them. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war.
I’m sure fights break out all over the UK every Saturday night but I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to get involved in all of them.
So your happy to get involved in some of them. "
Maybe if my next door neighbour was fighting in my garden I’d go and see what was happening and see if I could de-escalate the situation.
But I wouldn’t particularly bother travelling to Aberdeen to get involved. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war.
I’m sure fights break out all over the UK every Saturday night but I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to get involved in all of them.
So your happy to get involved in some of them.
Maybe if my next door neighbour was fighting in my garden I’d go and see what was happening and see if I could de-escalate the situation.
But I wouldn’t particularly bother travelling to Aberdeen to get involved."
Ukraine did not travel to Russia what would you do if the fight in you garden broke you front window. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war.
I’m sure fights break out all over the UK every Saturday night but I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to get involved in all of them.
So your happy to get involved in some of them.
Maybe if my next door neighbour was fighting in my garden I’d go and see what was happening and see if I could de-escalate the situation.
But I wouldn’t particularly bother travelling to Aberdeen to get involved.
Ukraine did not travel to Russia what would you do if the fight in you garden broke you front window."
I’d probably get all my mates to come round and then the guy who broke the window could get his mates to come around and we could have a big fight until a few people are dead over a broken window. |
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The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
Of course, but for example, those of us who remember Thatcher know that domestically she wasn’t doing too well at all. Her medicine wasn’t going down too well in the polls initially. Then the Argentinians invaded the Falklands.
That was a different set of circumstances though.
Here we have people applauding and cheering Starmer on because he appears to be continuing to support the military effort of Ukraine, which is the opposite direction to Trump and the US.
The war needs to end and Starmer along with Zelensky need to wake up to the fact that no amount of weaponry or money is going to turn this around in Ukraines favour.
So my opinion of Starmer is weakening, it would increase if he were to start to bring about meaningful conversations that were intended to bring the war to an end. Until then he is throwing our tax money at a war that can't be won, not to mention the needles deaths that are going on day after day.
So what happens if Putin says he wants all of Ukraine or the special opposition carry on, would you give the aggressor what he wants to stop the war.
I’m sure fights break out all over the UK every Saturday night but I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to get involved in all of them.
So your happy to get involved in some of them.
Maybe if my next door neighbour was fighting in my garden I’d go and see what was happening and see if I could de-escalate the situation.
But I wouldn’t particularly bother travelling to Aberdeen to get involved.
Ukraine did not travel to Russia what would you do if the fight in you garden broke you front window.
I’d probably get all my mates to come round and then the guy who broke the window could get his mates to come around and we could have a big fight until a few people are dead over a broken window."
Well if Putins mate is Kim Jon un and Trump Europe is done for. |
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"Realy where is the UK’S gold mine."
"There are several of them, not least Cononish in Scotland, and Clogau in Wales."
"clogau shut almost 30 years ago"
And its owners have applied to re-open it, since there's still plenty of gold in there, and modern techniques make it easier to extract. |
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I don’t get this Starmer love? He got rinsed by Trump, made to look very weak indeed. Vance ruined him about free speech. Trump and Vance made it pretty clear what they feel about Starmer
The Zelenskyy thing is a massive bluff. Just a PR stunt with little substance. Basically, without the backing of the US, Europe will struggle to achieve anything. |
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?"
YES he is an even bigger butt kisser than he was before he conned all of us to vote for him to get into power so he can kiss and lick even more high powered arses,,  |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?"
I think he has done ok with the difficult trump/ Ukraine situation. As our PM this is what I expect from him. We seem to have sunk so low that when the PM doesn't mess up, it's classed as a good day. Will he improve the situation in the UK or continue to allow our fake chancellor to drag the economy down, is more important in my view. |
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"Realy where is the UK’S gold mine.
There are several of them, not least Cononish in Scotland, and Clogau in Wales.
clogau shut almost 30 years ago
And its owners have applied to re-open it, since there's still plenty of gold in there, and modern techniques make it easier to extract."
to be honest Alba have been struggling to make it viable and suffered numerous setbacks, so i would be surprised if it's a goer really. even their regurging of the historic waste tip has yielded only 3.2g per ton and totals less than 50g so far. then there's the battle they're fighting with the dewatering of level 4.5 & level 5, the lack of pressure for the drilling rig at those levels, along with the access road that keeps being washed away.
NRW aren't looking favourable at granting the licence or even extending the exploration licence when it runs out.
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?
I think he has done ok with the difficult trump/ Ukraine situation. As our PM this is what I expect from him. We seem to have sunk so low that when the PM doesn't mess up, it's classed as a good day. Will he improve the situation in the UK or continue to allow our fake chancellor to drag the economy down, is more important in my view. "
i'm pretty sure that the export finance agreement being banded about today will itself show up as an increase in GDP .... then that finance is to be spent on weapons procurement from the likes of thales etc which will further increase GDP ..... thales subcontracts to the likes of denis feranti etc which will push GDP up again.
we'll see i guess
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?
I think he has done ok with the difficult trump/ Ukraine situation. As our PM this is what I expect from him. We seem to have sunk so low that when the PM doesn't mess up, it's classed as a good day. Will he improve the situation in the UK or continue to allow our fake chancellor to drag the economy down, is more important in my view.
i'm pretty sure that the export finance agreement being banded about today will itself show up as an increase in GDP .... then that finance is to be spent on weapons procurement from the likes of thales etc which will further increase GDP ..... thales subcontracts to the likes of denis feranti etc which will push GDP up again.
we'll see i guess
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That’s exactly why it is being structured in the way it is. Ukraine is buying weapons from a factory in Northen Ireland - GDP gets pushed up. |
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?
I think he has done ok with the difficult trump/ Ukraine situation. As our PM this is what I expect from him. We seem to have sunk so low that when the PM doesn't mess up, it's classed as a good day. Will he improve the situation in the UK or continue to allow our fake chancellor to drag the economy down, is more important in my view.
i'm pretty sure that the export finance agreement being banded about today will itself show up as an increase in GDP .... then that finance is to be spent on weapons procurement from the likes of thales etc which will further increase GDP ..... thales subcontracts to the likes of denis feranti etc which will push GDP up again.
we'll see i guess
That’s exactly why it is being structured in the way it is. Ukraine is buying weapons from a factory in Northen Ireland - GDP gets pushed up. "
We give Ukraine £2 bn in aid, they then use it to buy some weapons from the UK.
Sounds like a massive Ponzi scheme. |
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No he's friends with everyone but the British people, he's even more friends with putin than the British people and supposedly hates putin.
He's only doing what he's supposed to do and he can't throw the people he's dealing with in jail if they oppose him.
He's verging on a dictator.
Blair mkII Americas lap dog. Once Blair started flying around the world he lost the British people he was happier doing world diplomacy and forgot his own country.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?
I think he has done ok with the difficult trump/ Ukraine situation. As our PM this is what I expect from him. We seem to have sunk so low that when the PM doesn't mess up, it's classed as a good day. Will he improve the situation in the UK or continue to allow our fake chancellor to drag the economy down, is more important in my view.
i'm pretty sure that the export finance agreement being banded about today will itself show up as an increase in GDP .... then that finance is to be spent on weapons procurement from the likes of thales etc which will further increase GDP ..... thales subcontracts to the likes of denis feranti etc which will push GDP up again.
we'll see i guess
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At 1.6 billion it will barely register on the GDP figures and likely any gain will be more than wiped out by the budget measures that are soon to be implemented. |
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It's a very challenging time for him. What is he supposed to do that's in the countries best interests?
Can't fully side with trump but then can't lose him as an ally and want to avoid the trade tariffs that he is slapping on everyone else. Think he's doing the best he can do and looks to have aged about 5 years since being elected |
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"It's a very challenging time for him. What is he supposed to do that's in the countries best interests?
Can't fully side with trump but then can't lose him as an ally and want to avoid the trade tariffs that he is slapping on everyone else. Think he's doing the best he can do and looks to have aged about 5 years since being elected"
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I think trumps plan is "maga" or to make the USA more or less a self sufficient "superpower" country.
Ar present most of the ion, lithium and other rare minerals used to make chips are found in China but with access to Ukraines they might not have to rely on them. China is cheaper to import due to labour costs and lack of unions etc for their workers. With the DOGE program he can cut costs and have american workers on lower pay with less rights.
With the tariffs he can make imports more expensive and encourage people to buy American.
Leaving nato means he will not have to get involved in any wars he doesn't have to but with one of the most powerful military in the world.
Great for some but not for the average American joe
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How is Starmer doing well? He seems to want to put British forces in potential harms way. The economy is imploding. Illegal immigration at an all time high. The NI hit on companies about to put many out of work. The NHS is even worse than ever and Cabinet ministers resigning or being sacked.
Yeah, great Job Sir Keith. 🙄 |
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"How is Starmer doing well? He seems to want to put British forces in potential harms way. The economy is imploding. Illegal immigration at an all time high. The NI hit on companies about to put many out of work. The NHS is even worse than ever and Cabinet ministers resigning or being sacked.
Yeah, great Job Sir Keith. 🙄"
I agree, he's a plank. Does anyone know who's advising him? Who are/is his Dominic Cummins?
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"I think trumps plan is "maga" or to make the USA more or less a self sufficient "superpower" country.
Ar present most of the ion, lithium and other rare minerals used to make chips are found in China but with access to Ukraines they might not have to rely on them. China is cheaper to import due to labour costs and lack of unions etc for their workers. With the DOGE program he can cut costs and have american workers on lower pay with less rights.
With the tariffs he can make imports more expensive and encourage people to buy American.
Leaving nato means he will not have to get involved in any wars he doesn't have to but with one of the most powerful military in the world.
Great for some but not for the average American joe
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According to some, this Ukraine reserves of rare Minerals is a embellishments of previous geology reports.
Google rare minerals and Ukraine doesn't even enter the charts compared to other countries. I mean the US has its own reserves much larger than other countries.
People have compared these reports to the ones about Afghanistan having some of the largest reserves of gems and lithium on the planet. Once the Americans pulled out, the Chinese went in and found it was bs and hardly anything about it has been mentioned since. |
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"According to some, this Ukraine reserves of rare Minerals is a embellishments of previous geology reports.
Google rare minerals and Ukraine doesn't even enter the charts compared to other countries. I mean the US has its own reserves much larger than other countries.
People have compared these reports to the ones about Afghanistan having some of the largest reserves of gems and lithium on the planet. Once the Americans pulled out, the Chinese went in and found it was bs and hardly anything about it has been mentioned since."
It's a wild embellishment. Rare Earth minerals are not at all rare, they're all over the place. The problem is finding them in a sufficient concentration that it's worth digging them up. Ukraine doesn't have any such such concentrations. If it did, they'd have started digging then up 15 years ago, when the world realised that China was attempting to control supply. |
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?"
Mine has!I think he's behaving in a very statesman like manner and doing a good job if it. I don't agree with most of the govt policies but I think he's doing ok on this issue |
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?
Mine has!I think he's behaving in a very statesman like manner and doing a good job if it. I don't agree with most of the govt policies but I think he's doing ok on this issue "
Agree, although Trump doing his best to undermine him. |
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"Are people really going to judge the government on how Starmer supports Zelensky over Trump?
There is short sighted and this...
I see the support as no different to how the tories got support during covid, or at least the first two waves and ppe scandal aside.
The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary."
I'm trying to point out you can support the government doing something even if you oppose their political leaning |
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"Are people really going to judge the government on how Starmer supports Zelensky over Trump?
There is short sighted and this...
I see the support as no different to how the tories got support during covid, or at least the first two waves and ppe scandal aside.
The measure of Starmer should be in the results of the government domestically as a priority and internationally as a secondary.
I'm trying to point out you can support the government doing something even if you oppose their political leaning "
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"I don’t get this Starmer love? He got rinsed by Trump, made to look very weak indeed. Vance ruined him about free speech. Trump and Vance made it pretty clear what they feel about Starmer
The Zelenskyy thing is a massive bluff. Just a PR stunt with little substance. Basically, without the backing of the US, Europe will struggle to achieve anything. "
I doubt Starmer will be upset by your personal view. People who know Trump will have advised him to feed tango man's ego. |
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"No he's friends with everyone but the British people, he's even more friends with putin than the British people and supposedly hates putin.
He's only doing what he's supposed to do and he can't throw the people he's dealing with in jail if they oppose him.
He's verging on a dictator.
Blair mkII Americas lap dog. Once Blair started flying around the world he lost the British people he was happier doing world diplomacy and forgot his own country.
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A little contradictory crap I've just read. Dictator and doing what he's supposed to do are in opposition of each other. |
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?
Mine has!I think he's behaving in a very statesman like manner and doing a good job if it. I don't agree with most of the govt policies but I think he's doing ok on this issue "
Woohoo someone else who can separate issues from their own political leaning. It's rare on here. |
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?
Mine has!I think he's behaving in a very statesman like manner and doing a good job if it. I don't agree with most of the govt policies but I think he's doing ok on this issue
Agree, although Trump doing his best to undermine him."
Only so his own shine is not out shone  . We all "know" the end of the war will be Trump's doing  |
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Starmer is hoping to get us into WW3 as that is the only thing that will keep him in power here in the UK. They prob have the conscription lists for the front line made. Those protesting in London etc will be the first. Handy way for our dictator Starmer to get rid of those here willing to stand up against him. leaving more homes for the illegals coming on boats. Bet none of them would be sent to a war that would be against their rights. |
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"Makes me piss that he's trying to protect Ukrainian's border when ours is being breached on a daily basis."
Actually there's a pathway between brain and bladder that makes you piss.
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"Starmer is hoping to get us into WW3 as that is the only thing that will keep him in power here in the UK. They prob have the conscription lists for the front line made. Those protesting in London etc will be the first. Handy way for our dictator Starmer to get rid of those here willing to stand up against him. leaving more homes for the illegals coming on boats. Bet none of them would be sent to a war that would be against their rights."
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By *oalie66Man
over a year ago
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"Makes me piss that he's trying to protect Ukrainian's border when ours is being breached on a daily basis.
Actually there's a pathway between brain and bladder that makes you piss.
You're welcome "
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"Makes me piss that he's trying to protect Ukrainian's border when ours is being breached on a daily basis."
The uk is a signatory to the 1994 Budapest agreement. Which gives Ukraine security in exchange for non proliferation of nuclear weapons. At the end of the cold war Ukraine had a third of the nuclear weapons on the globe
Ukraine upheld their part of the agreement. |
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"That's all well and good but what use is it if we can't protect our own citizens at the first line of defence,our own borders?"
1700 arrived on 34 small boats in the last week but they did not bring or threaten nuclear weapons
Ukraine has defended an 1100 mile border against a 200,000 man invading army, the uk seems inadequate in holding back peaceful small boats on 350 miles of Kent coastline.
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By *atonMan
over a year ago
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"I've been one of his critics but perhaps Sir Kier is growing into the job. I thought he had a good week with his increases to defence spending and successful trip to the US. Also impressed that he met Zelensky straight after his bashing from Trump.So extra expenditure on arms and munitions and brown nosing the convicted felon and genocide enablers arse is a good week?
Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?"
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"He’s a useless clown"
I agree , just wait until the shake up of the benifit system happens. The forthcoming by election will be a good indication if Labour are good.
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His targeted demographic, leftist and left leaning liberals are attempting to paint him as an all of a sudden popular politician. I remember the same thing happening with Corbyn. It’s like, who cares? LibLabCon will no doubt believe that their own shit don’t stink, and that nobody else stands a cat in hell’s chance. They will find out how wrong they are in 2028, |
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By *oalie66Man
over a year ago
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"Makes me piss that he's trying to protect Ukrainian's border when ours is being breached on a daily basis.
Who is launching missiles at our borders. Must have missed that on the news🤷♀️"
Didn't say we were having missiles launched at our border did I,you know full well what I meant by being breached. |
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"Makes me piss that he's trying to protect Ukrainian's border when ours is being breached on a daily basis.
Who is launching missiles at our borders. Must have missed that on the news🤷♀️
Didn't say we were having missiles launched at our border did I,you know full well what I meant by being breached."
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The latest three polls suggest that Labour is stationary or falling back.
It looks like even the Ukraine sabre rattling hasn’t manage to move the dial for Starmer. It turns out he isn’t another Churchill, he really is just an incompetent middle manager.
Maybe people in the UK aren’t quite so desperate to get to the Eastern Front after all. |
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Starmer only got in because the opposition vote was split by Reform. He actually got less votes than Corbyn at the last election. However now he's in he's gone back on pretty well every promise. He and his incompetent cabinet are destroying small and medium businesses, destroying our food security, encouraging the wrong migrants in and making the working people of this country poorer. He will return Farage's favour by giving him the keys to no 10 in 4 years time, assuming this inept government survives that long. He's also going to make Labour unelectable for a very long time. |
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"He's also going to make Labour unelectable for a very long time. "
I agree with this, if not all of your post. The only way Labour are going to be electable next time around is if there is some kind of coup and they ditch Starmer, Reeves and their associates. That ain't gonna happen. |
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The alt right/Reform hate him, Stay at home Tories will never vote for him because he’s from ‘The Labour Party’ no matter how bad the Tories are, the left hate him because they think he’s a Tory.
Can’t see him improving on that 34% ‘landslide’ he got tbf.
Hoping for a hung parly next election & electoral reform comes out of it tbh
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By *007ManMan
over a year ago
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Has your opinion of him changed at all recently?"
No I did expect more at the start but his choice of cabinet has been very poor. People with not even any business experience trying to run the country. Regarding defence, means nothing if you have no control over who enters the country illegally. |
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I don't think he's a bad guy, I don't think he's a good PM but he's better than I was expecting. Not happy with the ready to hit the ground running claim - he's had 9 months and I see nothing on immigration or social care to name but two issues. Also he made a big thing about country before party... that's laughable when every response to a question is answered with "the Tories had 14 years" or "we inherited this" or "liz truss crashed the economy". It gives the opposite impression. |
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over a year ago
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"The alt right/Reform hate him, Stay at home Tories will never vote for him because he’s from ‘The Labour Party’ no matter how bad the Tories are, the left hate him because they think he’s a Tory.
Can’t see him improving on that 34% ‘landslide’ he got tbf.
Hoping for a hung parly next election & electoral reform comes out of it tbh
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How does electoral reform change anything in your view? |
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"How does electoral reform change anything in your view?"
It can only improve things in the sense that you actually vote for your preferred choice rather than ‘least worst option’ in too many cases.
In terms of what coalitions are subsequently formed to form a government of course we still have less control over that, but I still think electoral reform would be preferable due to the first point. |
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"Also how can it be right that a government can be formed on less than 34% of the vote?"
That black rod gezza makes sure a government can take office by knocking in the front door even if only one person voted, parliamentary democracy yeah right.  |
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All the talk about Reform splitting the Conservative vote is bullshit. The Tories are finished, after 14 years of failure. Those who voted Reform will probably never vote Tory again. If the current bunch of Liebour goon last the full five years, they will never get elected again.
Whatapity! |
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"He would make a good conservative leader .he is not labour you don't hit the pensioners or disabled like he has.i have always voted labour,I won't while he is in charge."
Yep, he was the status quo candidate, no major changes bar a bit of tweaking here & there.
I’d rather we turn away from neoliberalism, it’s been on life support since 2008 & has been ruling the roost via the Con/Lab parties for the last 45 years. It has had long enough imo
Won’t vote for Reform, I’m not convinced ‘UK DOGE’ is anything other than Austerity (yet again) on steroids.
Would like to see an ‘Old Labour’ option with a smoother operator than Corbyn as the figurehead.
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over a year ago
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"How does electoral reform change anything in your view?
It can only improve things in the sense that you actually vote for your preferred choice rather than ‘least worst option’ in too many cases.
In terms of what coalitions are subsequently formed to form a government of course we still have less control over that, but I still think electoral reform would be preferable due to the first point."
Thank you for your explanation of your reasoning. You sound quite left of thinking and lacking any sentiment for the past or present order of things as they're quite progressive.
No judgement, not really how I see things personally. |
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over a year ago
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"Also how can it be right that a government can be formed on less than 34% of the vote?"
You could look at it like that and you may have a point it may be unfair when you look at it like that. But you could also argue the reason reform, libs etc got so many votes is because some people who regularly vote Conservatives will NEVER vote labour and the apathetic tone at the last election was too much for even the most seasoned of Conservative voters. The low poll turn out was another consideration too.
So I don't think it's as simple as just changing the way we elect in the UK. Let's be clear about one thing, don't confuse my opinion for being a defender of right wing conservativism either, as it's not. I've been accused of being a liberal leftie, and both couldn't be further from the truth 😂 |
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"All the talk about Reform splitting the Conservative vote is bullshit. The Tories are finished, after 14 years of failure. Those who voted Reform will probably never vote Tory again. If the current bunch of Liebour goon last the full five years, they will never get elected again.
Whatapity!"
Labour has 400 MPs and Reform has 4.
There are plenty of Conversatives who will never vote Reform because they have nothing in common with the unemployed of Clacton or Boston. Nigel Garbage knows this hence why he is trying to broaden the appeal of Reform. But then the right wing nutters won't be happy as we have already seen with Reform imploding in areas like the Isle of Wight. |
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"All the talk about Reform splitting the Conservative vote is bullshit. The Tories are finished, after 14 years of failure. Those who voted Reform will probably never vote Tory again. If the current bunch of Liebour goon last the full five years, they will never get elected again.
Whatapity!
Labour has 400 MPs and Reform has 4.
There are plenty of Conversatives who will never vote Reform because they have nothing in common with the unemployed of Clacton or Boston. Nigel Garbage knows this hence why he is trying to broaden the appeal of Reform. But then the right wing nutters won't be happy as we have already seen with Reform imploding in areas like the Isle of Wight."
I know how things are now, and in no way can anyone say that it is good. They have 400 MPs and are running this country into the ground. Indeed the damage they are causing really will take a lot of fixing. The fact is that they are not what anyone more trustworthy than the Tories before them.
Reform UK are the answer, and they are ahead in the national opinion polls. Nigel Farage is 3/1 favourite with Bet365 to be the next Prime Minister.
Looking forward to that day! |
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"All the talk about Reform splitting the Conservative vote is bullshit. The Tories are finished, after 14 years of failure. Those who voted Reform will probably never vote Tory again. If the current bunch of Liebour goon last the full five years, they will never get elected again.
Whatapity!
Labour has 400 MPs and Reform has 4.
There are plenty of Conversatives who will never vote Reform because they have nothing in common with the unemployed of Clacton or Boston. Nigel Garbage knows this hence why he is trying to broaden the appeal of Reform. But then the right wing nutters won't be happy as we have already seen with Reform imploding in areas like the Isle of Wight.
I know how things are now, and in no way can anyone say that it is good. They have 400 MPs and are running this country into the ground. Indeed the damage they are causing really will take a lot of fixing. The fact is that they are not what anyone more trustworthy than the Tories before them.
Reform UK are the answer, and they are ahead in the national opinion polls. Nigel Farage is 3/1 favourite with Bet365 to be the next Prime Minister.
Looking forward to that day! "
It will never happen..
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"All the talk about Reform splitting the Conservative vote is bullshit. The Tories are finished, after 14 years of failure. Those who voted Reform will probably never vote Tory again. If the current bunch of Liebour goon last the full five years, they will never get elected again.
Whatapity!
Labour has 400 MPs and Reform has 4.
There are plenty of Conversatives who will never vote Reform because they have nothing in common with the unemployed of Clacton or Boston. Nigel Garbage knows this hence why he is trying to broaden the appeal of Reform. But then the right wing nutters won't be happy as we have already seen with Reform imploding in areas like the Isle of Wight."
. What a bizarre post referring to people as right wing nutters. Whether anyone agrees with Nigel Farages policies or not he is probably one of the most successfull politicians of all time. He was the driving force behind the referendum which was a true exercise in democracy. Every citizen in the UK voted on the future of the UK. It is likely that the Conservatives and Reform will merge. Conservatives lost the last election due to the right wing vote being split between two parties.
Opinion polls suggest that Reform may even win the next general election without a deal with the Conservatives. Only time will tell. |
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"All the talk about Reform splitting the Conservative vote is bullshit. The Tories are finished, after 14 years of failure. Those who voted Reform will probably never vote Tory again. If the current bunch of Liebour goon last the full five years, they will never get elected again.
Whatapity!
Labour has 400 MPs and Reform has 4.
There are plenty of Conversatives who will never vote Reform because they have nothing in common with the unemployed of Clacton or Boston. Nigel Garbage knows this hence why he is trying to broaden the appeal of Reform. But then the right wing nutters won't be happy as we have already seen with Reform imploding in areas like the Isle of Wight.. What a bizarre post referring to people as right wing nutters. Whether anyone agrees with Nigel Farages policies or not he is probably one of the most successfull politicians of all time. He was the driving force behind the referendum which was a true exercise in democracy. Every citizen in the UK voted on the future of the UK. It is likely that the Conservatives and Reform will merge. Conservatives lost the last election due to the right wing vote being split between two parties.
Opinion polls suggest that Reform may even win the next general election without a deal with the Conservatives. Only time will tell. "
"Every citizen in the UK voted on the future of the UK". Really? So turnout was 100% then?
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"All the talk about Reform splitting the Conservative vote is bullshit. The Tories are finished, after 14 years of failure. Those who voted Reform will probably never vote Tory again. If the current bunch of Liebour goon last the full five years, they will never get elected again.
Whatapity!
Labour has 400 MPs and Reform has 4.
There are plenty of Conversatives who will never vote Reform because they have nothing in common with the unemployed of Clacton or Boston. Nigel Garbage knows this hence why he is trying to broaden the appeal of Reform. But then the right wing nutters won't be happy as we have already seen with Reform imploding in areas like the Isle of Wight.. What a bizarre post referring to people as right wing nutters. Whether anyone agrees with Nigel Farages policies or not he is probably one of the most successfull politicians of all time. He was the driving force behind the referendum which was a true exercise in democracy. Every citizen in the UK voted on the future of the UK. It is likely that the Conservatives and Reform will merge. Conservatives lost the last election due to the right wing vote being split between two parties.
Opinion polls suggest that Reform may even win the next general election without a deal with the Conservatives. Only time will tell. "
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