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By *riskygaz OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
Well after a couple of years of great returns from the stock market, Donald trump is in power for a month and it is already starting to crash, my returns have dropped about £400 in the last two weeks.
How bad do you think it will get, and are you worried about the money you currently have invested ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it’s about to get worse. Trump kicks off a trade war with Canada, then he backs down and wants to halve the tariffs, now Canada are keeping theirs in place until Trump removes all Tariffs.
Masterful gambit from Trump 🙄 |
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"Well after a couple of years of great returns from the stock market, Donald trump is in power for a month and it is already starting to crash, my returns have dropped about £400 in the last two weeks.
How bad do you think it will get, and are you worried about the money you currently have invested ?"
The stocks and shares market has been artificially inflated since 2008 with 0% interest rates influencing buy backs in stocks shares and loans, take boeing they got better returns in buy backs in stocks than actually building the aeroplanes, we can see how that has gone, like trump said build baby build in jobs and put the wealth and power into the many rather than the few.
10/10, the daily mail, fantastic
0/10, the guardian, absolute drivel.
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Personally I would be happy if the market got trashed. If you are long term investor then the majority of us would be better off if the stock market fell for the lifetime of the Trump administration - most people are buying stocks (pensions etc) rather than selling and you want the price to be low when you buy. If you are investing frequently then you want your dollar/pound averaging to be as low as possible.
The ideal stock market for most people would be one that crashed for your entire life and then realised all its gains just before you sold. |
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By *riskygaz OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
"I'm at the age where I worry about my pension "
i am the same i have under seven years till retirement, so now scrambling to make the most of my money and build up the pension pot. i have a stocks and shares ISA And a SIPP Hopefully it will generate and extra 3K or so on top of my state pension and works pension.
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"Personally I would be happy if the market got trashed. If you are long term investor then the majority of us would be better off if the stock market fell for the lifetime of the Trump administration - most people are buying stocks (pensions etc) rather than selling and you want the price to be low when you buy. If you are investing frequently then you want your dollar/pound averaging to be as low as possible.
The ideal stock market for most people would be one that crashed for your entire life and then realised all its gains just before you sold. "
That's a rather selfish attitude you have there Nigel... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Stock markets are swings and roundabouts that’s their nature.
Mine is heavily down the last week but over the last few months it has been heavily up.
Stock markets are very much influenced by herd behaviour. Which they shouldn’t be but that’s just reality. There is a tendency for people to panic.
There could very easily be what is widely perceived as “good news” next week and the losses are reversed.
You can’t invest in the market and expect only gains. |
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Why woums any investor be worried about short term fluctuations.? Only a fool would expect the market to rise every week or year. What matters is long term performance over msny years and the USA market returns have been superior compared to nearly all other markets. |
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I watched a clip of fox "news" the other night and they questioned trumps economic adviser asking them to explain the Dow Jones dropping 670 points when he announced the tarrifs. Their reply
"That's nothing to do with trump it's the last of the biden administration going down the plug hole"
They also spoke to trumps agricultural advisor on the price of eggs their reply was
"Well the best solution is for every American to get their own chickens as I believe that there is a farmer deep in every American just waiting to get out"
I mean what!!!!!! |
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"I watched a clip of fox "news" the other night and they questioned trumps economic adviser asking them to explain the Dow Jones dropping 670 points when he announced the tarrifs. Their reply
"That's nothing to do with trump it's the last of the biden administration going down the plug hole"
They also spoke to trumps agricultural advisor on the price of eggs their reply was
"Well the best solution is for every American to get their own chickens as I believe that there is a farmer deep in every American just waiting to get out"
I mean what!!!!!!"
Who knew that Biden was secretly planning to release avian flu upon the planet in his last year of office..
I do wonder if the cuts that are going on will further impact the outbreak.. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I watched a clip of fox "news" the other night and they questioned trumps economic adviser asking them to explain the Dow Jones dropping 670 points when he announced the tarrifs. Their reply
"That's nothing to do with trump it's the last of the biden administration going down the plug hole"
They also spoke to trumps agricultural advisor on the price of eggs their reply was
"Well the best solution is for every American to get their own chickens as I believe that there is a farmer deep in every American just waiting to get out"
I mean what!!!!!!
Who knew that Biden was secretly planning to release avian flu upon the planet in his last year of office..
I do wonder if the cuts that are going on will further impact the outbreak.."
End of next week is going to be an interesting one, as that is when the US again reach the debt ceiling, and if there is no agreement to raise it… government shutdown!
This is basically the only time in the next two years where the democrats will have any leverage… with a majority of 3, there is zero chance you will get all 217 republicans congressional members on the same page |
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Biden left two letters to Trump, one labelled open in the event of trouble, the other labelled. Open in the event of continuing trouble.
The first letter reads. Blame the previous person in charge.
The second letter reads. Write two letters.  |
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"Personally I would be happy if the market got trashed. If you are long term investor then the majority of us would be better off if the stock market fell for the lifetime of the Trump administration - most people are buying stocks (pensions etc) rather than selling and you want the price to be low when you buy. If you are investing frequently then you want your dollar/pound averaging to be as low as possible.
The ideal stock market for most people would be one that crashed for your entire life and then realised all its gains just before you sold. "
Exactly this but some one sells everyday, so with you way of thinking it would be high every day for everyone. Or where you just thinking of YOU. |
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"Personally I would be happy if the market got trashed. If you are long term investor then the majority of us would be better off if the stock market fell for the lifetime of the Trump administration - most people are buying stocks (pensions etc) rather than selling and you want the price to be low when you buy. If you are investing frequently then you want your dollar/pound averaging to be as low as possible.
The ideal stock market for most people would be one that crashed for your entire life and then realised all its gains just before you sold.
Exactly this but some one sells everyday, so with you way of thinking it would be high every day for everyone. Or where you just thinking of YOU. "
Just thinking of me - which is why I started my comment with “Personally”
I understand others would want the opposite but they are talking their portfolio position and I am talking mine. |
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This is basically the only time in the next two years where the democrats will have any leverage… with a majority of 3, there is zero chance you will get all 217 republicans congressional members on the same page "
It's a brave republican who would stand up to Trump in this current climate. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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This is basically the only time in the next two years where the democrats will have any leverage… with a majority of 3, there is zero chance you will get all 217 republicans congressional members on the same page
It's a brave republican who would stand up to Trump in this current climate."
For a lot of republicans , especially the hardcore right, it’s going to be about a balanced budget…. And the huge tax cuts Trump wants plus the increases in defence spending would mean huge cuts which would touch everything including Medicare and potentially social security… which is also like touching the 3rd rail in American politics |
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It's a brave republican who would stand up to Trump in this current climate.
For a lot of republicans , especially the hardcore right, it’s going to be about a balanced budget…. And the huge tax cuts Trump wants plus the increases in defence spending would mean huge cuts which would touch everything including Medicare and potentially social security… which is also like touching the 3rd rail in American politics "
Ten years ago, you'd be 100% right. You might still be 100% right. But right now, anyone who doesn't toe the line gets a very, very big target put on them. Most republicans with a backbone have been purged. |
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It's a brave republican who would stand up to Trump in this current climate.
For a lot of republicans , especially the hardcore right, it’s going to be about a balanced budget…. And the huge tax cuts Trump wants plus the increases in defence spending would mean huge cuts which would touch everything including Medicare and potentially social security… which is also like touching the 3rd rail in American politics
Ten years ago, you'd be 100% right. You might still be 100% right. But right now, anyone who doesn't toe the line gets a very, very big target put on them. Most republicans with a backbone have been purged."
Does that mean no one will whisper 'its the economy stupid' in trumps vicinity..? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
They are not liking it being called the trumpcession… especially when he can’t blame anyone else because Biden handed him the best preforming economy in the world
They cannot get the messaging straight.. he is saying recession, economic advisors are saying no… the reasons for tariffs, he keeps on giving the game away by saying it’s economic… his spokespeople on the Sunday morning shows are saying it’s drugs (because they have to by law because it’s the only way he can legally do it on national security grounds)
Now they are using the words “short term pain, long term gain” which is not helpful!
So we will see if his supporters follow him |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"They are not liking it being called the trumpcession… especially when he can’t blame anyone else because Biden handed him the best preforming economy in the world
They cannot get the messaging straight.. he is saying recession, economic advisors are saying no… the reasons for tariffs, he keeps on giving the game away by saying it’s economic… his spokespeople on the Sunday morning shows are saying it’s drugs (because they have to by law because it’s the only way he can legally do it on national security grounds)
Now they are using the words “short term pain, long term gain” which is not helpful!
So we will see if his supporters follow him"
It was the largest economy but best performing? India's economy grew by 6.4% 2024, with the US growing 2.8%.
Ref the markets, anything solid or are we looking at predictions of risk to underpin the new buzz word: Trumpcession  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Ref the markets, anything solid or are we looking at predictions of risk to underpin the new buzz word: Trumpcession "
Well the Atlanta fed produced the report saying the 1st quarter GDP could shrink by as much as 2.8% ….. from 2.8% to -2.8% is huge, bearing in mind there has not been a minus number GDP for the last 60 months (if you take out Covid the number would go back to the end of bush 2) that report is being backed up in part by the fed of Kansas city
The economic advisors on the Sunday morning shows were saying hopefully above 0% but maybe not |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Ref the markets, anything solid or are we looking at predictions of risk to underpin the new buzz word: Trumpcession
Well the Atlanta fed produced the report saying the 1st quarter GDP could shrink by as much as 2.8% ….. from 2.8% to -2.8% is huge, bearing in mind there has not been a minus number GDP for the last 60 months (if you take out Covid the number would go back to the end of bush 2) that report is being backed up in part by the fed of Kansas city
The economic advisors on the Sunday morning shows were saying hopefully above 0% but maybe not "
We will know for sure in June, but it will be interesting to see the estimate of GDP April 30th and compare. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Why woums any investor be worried about short term fluctuations.? Only a fool would expect the market to rise every week or year. What matters is long term performance over msny years and the USA market returns have been superior compared to nearly all other markets. "
They were on a steady climb up to mid-January and it has been all downhill since then.
I divested all of our pension funds that were exposed to the US markets after seeing them peak in December.
The markets will not take kindly to Trump simply because business likes stability and predictability. As long as he keeps going with his idiotic economy bashing tariffs, which go on and off at a whim, the US markets will continue to fall.
Say what you want about Biden but his policies were good for the US and World markets.
Maybe, just maybe being a serious politician is not such a bad thing after all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My Rolls Royce shares that Maggie Thatcher got for me have been climbing well shall I sell now or hang on in there.
Buy any and all European armaments stocks that you can."
And the same for Tech |
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