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"No oversea care workers, shorter visas for overseas university students, English tests
Looks like a game changer is coming on immigration"
The same bloke that said that it was vital to save our NHS, is now saying that the UK can't hire new care workers. That'll go well won't it. |
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We we’ve had “smash the gangs” and Sunak wanted to stop the boats. Neither of those slogans worked so yet another slogan is just that. Meaningless words.
What I don’t get is how someone who crosses the channel in a small boat with no passport is allowed to stay? Put up in a hotel for 12-18 months then 95% are granted status and the other 5% are granted it on appeal. So just about everyone stays. So save the £145 a day per head and just let them stay, with no benefits, no free house, no free NHS and they have to wait 5 years before bringing any family over. How can you prove who is family with no ID?
Yet if anyone arrived at any airport in the world without a passport, they would be detained and deported |
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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Who is advising Starmer, he is consistently missing the target and tone. Surely he knows what issues people are concerned about, yet he steers clear of the hard to fix and focuses on the easy to manage.
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho.."
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be? |
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be? "
Tbh no idea as I've not seen any polls etc and they like the media are biased
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Hazarding a 'guess', the boats..
Which whilst an issue are a drop in the ocean  compared to the level of immigration over the last 20 years and the impact that has had upon services which during that time we're cut.. |
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Possibly Rayner has told Kier she can’t build the 1.5 million new homes and Serco are making private rental tenants homeless so their homes can be rented to asylum seekers
Now he needs to make a show. |
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"What I don’t get is how someone who crosses the channel in a small boat with no passport is allowed to stay? Put up in a hotel for 12-18 months then 95% are granted status and the other 5% are granted it on appeal. So just about everyone stays. So save the £145 a day per head and just let them stay, with no benefits, no free house, no free NHS and they have to wait 5 years before bringing any family over."
That would be illegal. Under the 1951 Convention, if someone is granted asylum they have to be given all of the things that a normal citizen would get. That means that they have to be housed and fed, and are entitled to the same benefits that a citizen would get.
Obviously that's only once asylum has been granted. Before that happens we just have to house, feed, and medically treat them. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be?
Tbh no idea as I've not seen any polls etc and they like the media are biased
..
Hazarding a 'guess', the boats..
Which whilst an issue are a drop in the ocean compared to the level of immigration over the last 20 years and the impact that has had upon services which during that time we're cut.."
That drop in the ocean costs £5billion a year now, heading for £11billion by 2026. 45K+ small boat arrivals last year alone.
Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage .
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken. |
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"What I don’t get is how someone who crosses the channel in a small boat with no passport is allowed to stay? Put up in a hotel for 12-18 months then 95% are granted status and the other 5% are granted it on appeal. So just about everyone stays. So save the £145 a day per head and just let them stay, with no benefits, no free house, no free NHS and they have to wait 5 years before bringing any family over.
That would be illegal. Under the 1951 Convention, if someone is granted asylum they have to be given all of the things that a normal citizen would get. That means that they have to be housed and fed, and are entitled to the same benefits that a citizen would get.
Obviously that's only once asylum has been granted. Before that happens we just have to house, feed, and medically treat them."
Yeah I know. And I’ll admit I took it to the extreme to demonstrate a point, but a lot has changed since 1951. So many acts, treaties, laws and conventions are so out of date and no longer fit for purpose in 2025. How many asylum seekers did we get in the ‘50s and ‘60s? A couple of thousand? |
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be? "
The number one concern is that foreign (looking/sounding/behaving) people are invading (becoming more visible, in larger numbers), sometimes with negative associations. (Nobody really minds Australians, Canadians or New Zealanders in moderation).
Coming close second is the perception that these foreigners consume resources that "proper" British people have worked hard for, without contributing commensurately.
These are, of course, very messy issues on both sides of the political spectrum. |
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"Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage.
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken."
To be fair to him, the part he's addressing is also broken. There's a thriving trade in 'care work' companies that don't actually have any jobs, but make thousands of visa applications to bring people in. That does need addressing.
But I agree, it's not the issue that people are complaining about. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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"Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage.
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken.
To be fair to him, the part he's addressing is also broken. There's a thriving trade in 'care work' companies that don't actually have any jobs, but make thousands of visa applications to bring people in. That does need addressing.
But I agree, it's not the issue that people are complaining about."
I suspect the reason Starmer avoids tackling the boat crossings head on is the 1951 Refugee Convention, it limits what action any government can take.
He needs to be honest with the public, as long as we remain bound by that convention, the problem won’t go away.
It is that simple, and Farage has grasped that. |
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be?
Tbh no idea as I've not seen any polls etc and they like the media are biased
..
Hazarding a 'guess', the boats..
Which whilst an issue are a drop in the ocean compared to the level of immigration over the last 20 years and the impact that has had upon services which during that time we're cut..
That drop in the ocean costs £5billion a year now, heading for £11billion by 2026. 45K+ small boat arrivals last year alone.
Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage .
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken."
Politics eh..
Both of the main parties, Labour before they lost in 2010 and the Tories in their 14 years struggled with the numbers which have only increased so as with most things they'll try headline grabbing initiatives..
There was a means to apply but the last lot scrapped that which led to the rise in the gangs and numbers your quoting..
How anyone thinks farage is the answer is another question.. |
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"There was a means to apply but the last lot scrapped that which led to the rise in the gangs and numbers your quoting.."
There has never been a means to apply for asylum from outside of the UK. There have been some special visa schemes, which allowed people from certain countries to come here, but not as asylum seekers.
"How anyone thinks farage is the answer is another question.."
Because Reform are saying that they'll pull the UK out of the ECHR, which would allow us to interpret the 1951 Convention more strictly. Whether you believe that will happen or not, that's why people think that Farage is the answer. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be?
Tbh no idea as I've not seen any polls etc and they like the media are biased
..
Hazarding a 'guess', the boats..
Which whilst an issue are a drop in the ocean compared to the level of immigration over the last 20 years and the impact that has had upon services which during that time we're cut..
That drop in the ocean costs £5billion a year now, heading for £11billion by 2026. 45K+ small boat arrivals last year alone.
Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage .
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken.
Politics eh..
Both of the main parties, Labour before they lost in 2010 and the Tories in their 14 years struggled with the numbers which have only increased so as with most things they'll try headline grabbing initiatives..
There was a means to apply but the last lot scrapped that which led to the rise in the gangs and numbers your quoting..
How anyone thinks farage is the answer is another question.."
Farage appears to have a plan as mentioned above by MrD.
The devil will be in the detail, and I suspect it could take a number of years to complete a withdraw from ECHR, due to legal challenges and other significant changes that would need to happen to make that work. If that was achieved it would be a further 3 - 5 years to rewrite a convention and implement it, is my guess.
Why people believe Farage has an answer, is because he talks openly about it and doesn't skirt around the issue, like Starmer has done today.
Starmer could quite easily stand up and point out the challenges we have as above, and explain the process of getting a successful outcome. That would defuse Farage and take away the sentiment of Reform or Farage being a quick win, and having the answers.
Or he can do the same old thing and ignore it, but tell people he is listening.
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"There was a means to apply but the last lot scrapped that which led to the rise in the gangs and numbers your quoting..
There has never been a means to apply for asylum from outside of the UK. There have been some special visa schemes, which allowed people from certain countries to come here, but not as asylum seekers.
How anyone thinks farage is the answer is another question..
Because Reform are saying that they'll pull the UK out of the ECHR, which would allow us to interpret the 1951 Convention more strictly. Whether you believe that will happen or not, that's why people think that Farage is the answer."
I got confused with the asylum quotas the Tories said they would bring in before 2010..
Oh I know what he's promised, again whether people think he's the answer is another question.. |
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be?
Tbh no idea as I've not seen any polls etc and they like the media are biased
..
Hazarding a 'guess', the boats..
Which whilst an issue are a drop in the ocean compared to the level of immigration over the last 20 years and the impact that has had upon services which during that time we're cut..
That drop in the ocean costs £5billion a year now, heading for £11billion by 2026. 45K+ small boat arrivals last year alone.
Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage .
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken.
Politics eh..
Both of the main parties, Labour before they lost in 2010 and the Tories in their 14 years struggled with the numbers which have only increased so as with most things they'll try headline grabbing initiatives..
There was a means to apply but the last lot scrapped that which led to the rise in the gangs and numbers your quoting..
How anyone thinks farage is the answer is another question..
Farage appears to have a plan as mentioned above by MrD.
The devil will be in the detail, and I suspect it could take a number of years to complete a withdraw from ECHR, due to legal challenges and other significant changes that would need to happen to make that work. If that was achieved it would be a further 3 - 5 years to rewrite a convention and implement it, is my guess.
Why people believe Farage has an answer, is because he talks openly about it and doesn't skirt around the issue, like Starmer has done today.
Starmer could quite easily stand up and point out the challenges we have as above, and explain the process of getting a successful outcome. That would defuse Farage and take away the sentiment of Reform or Farage being a quick win, and having the answers.
Or he can do the same old thing and ignore it, but tell people he is listening.
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Farage has an idea yes, they all do some on an almost daily basis whether that will ever be accomplished or as with complex issues it'll get fudged is another question..
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Other countries seem to have “closed their borders” if the media are to believed. If it’s true, will that mean even more heading this way.
But theoretically, if France and Belgium were to close their borders, that would all but stop the boats |
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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be?
Tbh no idea as I've not seen any polls etc and they like the media are biased
..
Hazarding a 'guess', the boats..
Which whilst an issue are a drop in the ocean compared to the level of immigration over the last 20 years and the impact that has had upon services which during that time we're cut..
That drop in the ocean costs £5billion a year now, heading for £11billion by 2026. 45K+ small boat arrivals last year alone.
Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage .
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken.
Politics eh..
Both of the main parties, Labour before they lost in 2010 and the Tories in their 14 years struggled with the numbers which have only increased so as with most things they'll try headline grabbing initiatives..
There was a means to apply but the last lot scrapped that which led to the rise in the gangs and numbers your quoting..
How anyone thinks farage is the answer is another question..
Farage appears to have a plan as mentioned above by MrD.
The devil will be in the detail, and I suspect it could take a number of years to complete a withdraw from ECHR, due to legal challenges and other significant changes that would need to happen to make that work. If that was achieved it would be a further 3 - 5 years to rewrite a convention and implement it, is my guess.
Why people believe Farage has an answer, is because he talks openly about it and doesn't skirt around the issue, like Starmer has done today.
Starmer could quite easily stand up and point out the challenges we have as above, and explain the process of getting a successful outcome. That would defuse Farage and take away the sentiment of Reform or Farage being a quick win, and having the answers.
Or he can do the same old thing and ignore it, but tell people he is listening.
Farage has an idea yes, they all do some on an almost daily basis whether that will ever be accomplished or as with complex issues it'll get fudged is another question..
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That is exactly what I'm saying, they are fudging it, whilst not knowing how to deal with Farage who is calling it from the sidelines.
The answer is in under their noses, tell the truth, explain the situation we are in, the way out and what that means.
It might come as a bit of a shock to our politicians that people want the truth, not spoon fed excuses. |
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"That is exactly what I'm saying, they are fudging it, whilst not knowing how to deal with Farage who is calling it from the sidelines."
The problem a lot of people on the left have is that they lack empathy. They have some compassion for the migrants, and feel that we should be doing something to help, and they can't imagine anyone disagreeing with them. So when they see people saying refugees should not be allowed in, the only reason they can think of is that the complainer is racist.
With that mindset, they don't see that there's a difference between legal and illegal immigration. They assume that the complaints are against all forms of immigration. Starmer's announcement today is coming from that mindset, where they assume that reducing legal migration will appease the racists, and win them some votes. They are completely missunderstanding what people are complaining about. |
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"Damned if they try to do something and damned if they don't..
Hey ho..
If I asked you what the number 1 concern is amongst the population, regarding border control and immigration, what would you expect the answer to be?
Tbh no idea as I've not seen any polls etc and they like the media are biased
..
Hazarding a 'guess', the boats..
Which whilst an issue are a drop in the ocean compared to the level of immigration over the last 20 years and the impact that has had upon services which during that time we're cut..
That drop in the ocean costs £5billion a year now, heading for £11billion by 2026. 45K+ small boat arrivals last year alone.
Starmer’s targeting legal immigration with tougher English tests and impacting business by trying to force local hiring but that’s not where the real problems are, that is the soft underbelly that is visible and very easy to manage .
Voters want tougher border control from the influx of small boat crossings. Starmer ignores that and starts talking about fixing the part that isn’t broken.
Politics eh..
Both of the main parties, Labour before they lost in 2010 and the Tories in their 14 years struggled with the numbers which have only increased so as with most things they'll try headline grabbing initiatives..
There was a means to apply but the last lot scrapped that which led to the rise in the gangs and numbers your quoting..
How anyone thinks farage is the answer is another question..
Farage appears to have a plan as mentioned above by MrD.
The devil will be in the detail, and I suspect it could take a number of years to complete a withdraw from ECHR, due to legal challenges and other significant changes that would need to happen to make that work. If that was achieved it would be a further 3 - 5 years to rewrite a convention and implement it, is my guess.
Why people believe Farage has an answer, is because he talks openly about it and doesn't skirt around the issue, like Starmer has done today.
Starmer could quite easily stand up and point out the challenges we have as above, and explain the process of getting a successful outcome. That would defuse Farage and take away the sentiment of Reform or Farage being a quick win, and having the answers.
Or he can do the same old thing and ignore it, but tell people he is listening.
Farage has an idea yes, they all do some on an almost daily basis whether that will ever be accomplished or as with complex issues it'll get fudged is another question..
That is exactly what I'm saying, they are fudging it, whilst not knowing how to deal with Farage who is calling it from the sidelines.
The answer is in under their noses, tell the truth, explain the situation we are in, the way out and what that means.
It might come as a bit of a shock to our politicians that people want the truth, not spoon fed excuses."
I am in agreement on that and yes being open and honest about something we all know and not just this issue would be a welcome change but there's so much scepticism and mistrust in our political classes how much of it would be actually believed is another thing..
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When Brexit party, ukip or reform say it, it's right wing, racist and extremist...but it's ok if Labour, or the Tories for that matter, dress it up differently. And let's be fair, so called Tories did sod all in power, labour is using the "world has changed" argument to renege on promises, it's all just to head off the surge of reform who are, basically, more conservative than the opposition |
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"They challenge will be how to get the 9 mil. 'economically inactive' Brits into the workforce. Otherwise there'll be worker shortages in key industries."
Quite. I can just see workshy Dave sat there on benefits champing at the bit to get into the workforce & wipe some OAP’s backside.
Or maybe he’ll just go & deal some instead. |
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The fears of people in Europe not just the UK is that it's reported or said that a lot of people claiming asylum throw away their papers and Passports so it's impossible to know who they are or where they are really from as they all claim to be from countries with known issues. The disposal of documents makes it look like they have something to hide and for all anyone knows they could be convicted criminals and terrorists. |
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Keir Starmers language is changing, this morning he said Britain risked becoming “an island of strangers” without fair immigration controls.
The number of people claiming asylum in the UK in 2024 reached its highest level since records began in 1979.
According to data published in February, 108,138 people claimed asylum in the year to December 2024 - an increase of 18% on 2023 and almost twice the number in 2021.
The UK now receives the fifth largest number of asylum seekers in the "EU plus" area. |
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"The fears of people in Europe not just the UK is that it's reported or said that a lot of people claiming asylum throw away their papers and Passports so it's impossible to know who they are or where they are really from as they all claim to be from countries with known issues. The disposal of documents makes it look like they have something to hide and for all anyone knows they could be convicted criminals and terrorists."
The UN predicts another 1.2 billion migrants entering Europe by 2080.
The UK reportedly receiving 20% of migrants from the EU plus area comprising EU27 plus four countries.
If the UN predictions are correct, and add a generation of births from those already here we are looking at a migrant epidemic.
This 1951 convention will need to be changed or uk exits from it ? |
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"What I don’t get is how someone who crosses the channel in a small boat with no passport is allowed to stay? Put up in a hotel for 12-18 months then 95% are granted status and the other 5% are granted it on appeal. So just about everyone stays. So save the £145 a day per head and just let them stay, with no benefits, no free house, no free NHS and they have to wait 5 years before bringing any family over.
That would be illegal. Under the 1951 Convention, if someone is granted asylum they have to be given all of the things that a normal citizen would get. That means that they have to be housed and fed, and are entitled to the same benefits that a citizen would get.
Obviously that's only once asylum has been granted. Before that happens we just have to house, feed, and medically treat them."
The people of Great Britain, those native to these shores, are not given any of those things. Public housing exists, but good luck getting it if you don’t belong to a so called ‘minority group.’
Giving all these things to migrants is to put native Brits to the back of every list or queue. It is true that we are second class citizens in our own country. |
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Isn’t it a strange state of affairs that someone from another country can just jump in a boat on a French beach and land on a beach in the UK and they have more rights than the government.
We can’t send them back to France. We can’t send them back to their own country. We can’t just ignore them. We can’t lock them up. In fact despite knowing that the only reason they are here in most cases is for a free ride in life, we’re seemingly powerless to do anything or we get dragged into an international court. Once there they will lie through their teeth and we look like the bad guys for not coughing up.
Free homes, free healthcare, free education, free money and they can bring their family over to enjoy the same freebies. You can’t blame them. That’s the issue that needs fixing. But we can’t legally fix it.
The left see people fleeing torture and persecution. The right see freeloaders.
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They are free loaders, only here because of out ridiculous benefits system. They get elevated status on public housing lists. There are charities out there that provide free furniture for those who have none. There housing is ready to move straight into. Free money benefits, housing benefits to pay their rent, free health care, ability to bring family members who also get benefits.
THAT is why they won’t stay in any of the other safe countries they pass through on their way here. I mean what is wrong with staying on France? It’s safer in Paris than it is in London. The French provide benefits too, just not as generously as we do here.
We need a government to make it loud and clear, that they won’t get anything if they come here illegally. Basic food plus a bed in a dormitory with fifty others and one shared toilet. Word would soon get out, and numbers of migrants applying for residency in France would probably skyrocket. |
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"They are free loaders, only here because of out ridiculous benefits system. They get elevated status on public housing lists. There are charities out there that provide free furniture for those who have none. There housing is ready to move straight into. Free money benefits, housing benefits to pay their rent, free health care, ability to bring family members who also get benefits.
THAT is why they won’t stay in any of the other safe countries they pass through on their way here. I mean what is wrong with staying on France? It’s safer in Paris than it is in London. The French provide benefits too, just not as generously as we do here.
We need a government to make it loud and clear, that they won’t get anything if they come here illegally. Basic food plus a bed in a dormitory with fifty others and one shared toilet. Word would soon get out, and numbers of migrants applying for residency in France would probably skyrocket."
The solution would be to get France to change over to speaking English. Then they would probably prefer living there. I probably would.
It is very telling that most of them ideally want to end up in the UK or USA.
Could that be that is because of the overwhelming language advantage more than much else? |
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"Keir Starmers language is changing, this morning he said Britain risked becoming “an island of strangers” without fair immigration controls.
The number of people claiming asylum in the UK in 2024 reached its highest level since records began in 1979.
According to data published in February, 108,138 people claimed asylum in the year to December 2024 - an increase of 18% on 2023 and almost twice the number in 2021.
The UK now receives the fifth largest number of asylum seekers in the "EU plus" area."
Can you imagine the uproar if the Tories had made such statements. I wonder if this change in attitude is a reaction to how well Reform done in the recent elections. Legal migration has already been heading down since the previous lot changed the minimum earnings for those applying but is still massively high. Illegal crossings are still increasing dramatically and a hot topic. Is farage getting some of his policies (all be it watered down) implemented without being in government? |
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"Keir Starmers language is changing, this morning he said Britain risked becoming “an island of strangers” without fair immigration controls.
The number of people claiming asylum in the UK in 2024 reached its highest level since records began in 1979.
According to data published in February, 108,138 people claimed asylum in the year to December 2024 - an increase of 18% on 2023 and almost twice the number in 2021.
The UK now receives the fifth largest number of asylum seekers in the "EU plus" area.
Can you imagine the uproar if the Tories had made such statements. I wonder if this change in attitude is a reaction to how well Reform done in the recent elections. Legal migration has already been heading down since the previous lot changed the minimum earnings for those applying but is still massively high. Illegal crossings are still increasing dramatically and a hot topic. Is farage getting some of his policies (all be it watered down) implemented without being in government?"
It is purely a response to the success of reform. They realised that if they are not seen to be trying to do something they have no chance of a 2nd term. |
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"A fire at the front door of Starmers rented out London home
Mob rules coming for starmer. "
A police source has stated that they are going through a suspect list one by one.
All 60 million of them.  |
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"Really don’t get Labour’s attempted pacification of the Reform vote.
As if many Farage supporters are going to vote for Starmer’s Labour? They’d rather stick pins in their eyes surely."
It seems not. Outside of greater London Labour support is in freefall.
It wasn't disaffected Tories that voted Reform in Runcorn or Durham or Lancashire Etc.
The only reason Labour didn't lose as many council seats as the Tories was because they were defending far fewer.
As a percentage of seats defended Labour lost as many as the Tories.
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Maybe it is time for me,yet again, to remind Labour to change their name for something more appealing to a mdern electorate.
What present day sybarites really want to vote for a life which sounds like being a grind? ( other than the sort of grind everyone is looking for on here)
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"Maybe it is time for me,yet again, to remind Labour to change their name for something more appealing to a mdern electorate.
What present day sybarites really want to vote for a life which sounds like being a grind? ( other than the sort of grind everyone is looking for on here)
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They need more than a rebrand mate. Don’t think I’ve ever seen the leaders of a party piss off so many of their party faithful in such a short space of time. Goes without saying those on the right wouldn’t be happy with them, but to drop 15-20 percentage points in the polls in less than a year? Even when Margret Thatcher came up with the poll tax, support didn’t drop like this. |
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Funny how the party that was going to "rub the rights nose in diversity" and "sent out search party's for migrants" is now saying we are "becoming a nation of strangers".
Labour should start a rally team. They'd be brilliant on the hairpins. |
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The strangers comment was a bit odd but I do see what he’s trying to do and the reasons why. I’m not sure how successful it will be and it masks the boats issue, whilst pandering to a load minority.
Add to that Suella’s comments about migrants loathing this country and wanting to destroy it make it a bad week all in all |
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"Maybe it is time for me,yet again, to remind Labour to change their name for something more appealing to a mdern electorate.
What present day sybarites really want to vote for a life which sounds like being a grind? ( other than the sort of grind everyone is looking for on here)
They need more than a rebrand mate. Don’t think I’ve ever seen the leaders of a party piss off so many of their party faithful in such a short space of time. Goes without saying those on the right wouldn’t be happy with them, but to drop 15-20 percentage points in the polls in less than a year? Even when Margret Thatcher came up with the poll tax, support didn’t drop like this. "
Council elections said it all
4 years at best of this nonsense.
No 1.5 million new homes
Boats not stopped
Economic growth outlook halved
Pensioners, farmers and disabled targeted. |
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"The strangers comment was a bit odd but I do see what he’s trying to do and the reasons why. I’m not sure how successful it will be and it masks the boats issue, whilst pandering to a load minority.
Add to that Suella’s comments about migrants loathing this country and wanting to destroy it make it a bad week all in all "
All he is trying to do is damage limitation from the council elections where Labour and Tory’s lost 65% of their seats to reform and libdem
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