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"I would be keen to connect with people whose politics are more right leaning. "
How much of a lean, how far right do you lean. a look over the shoulder lean or a moto gp scrapping the shoulder lean. |
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As far to the right as Labour is to the left. I consider the current Labour Party and those supporting their policies to be moto GP leaning.
If people start using the term far right, they loose me and often don’t understand the legitimacy of holding a right wing position and can’t get it into their small brains that right wing does not mean racist white individuals but rather those who support sustainable governance and resist the Marxism that is pervasive in British politics.
I believe that people need to pay for the NHS when they fail to take personal responsibility for their health, that people must take responsibility for the care of their children and not rely on the state to feed them and finally, that social benefits should not be provided indefinitely and council houses should be utilitarian with a very clear understanding that once children leave education, the parents are obliged to relocate to smaller houses to make space for those families needing the space for young dependants. The idea that anyone who chooses to enter the country via any route other than the official ports of entry should be recognised with no debate as criminal and as illegal immigrants they should be immediately deported to their country of birth. |
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right."
I find that those who consider this “hard right” are likely to be hard left and so any centre right views seem extreme when you are looking at them from way over on the left side. |
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right."
"Is there any further right than hard right?"
I suppose there's extreme right, and some people might want to suggest the chap's views are extreme. But I'm guessing it'll be a mixture of 'centre-right' and 'hard-right'.
I wonder who'll spot the left parts of that chap's views. |
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right.
Is there any further right than hard right?
I suppose there's extreme right, and some people might want to suggest the chap's views are extreme. But I'm guessing it'll be a mixture of 'centre-right' and 'hard-right'.
I wonder who'll spot the left parts of that chap's views."
There was one, I think. |
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By *end1Man 8 weeks ago
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Trouble with today's politics is anyone who doesn't agree with the left of politics will be shouted down as a far right fascist. Yet more n more European countries are starting to turn away from the central and far left parties. Germany Poland Holland France. |
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"well you came to the correct place considering 95% of the politics forum users are rightwing extremists, totalitarians and falangists."
Have you not considered the possibility that 95% of the forum users are normal, and that it's you that's the extremist? |
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right.
Is there any further right than hard right?
I suppose there's extreme right, and some people might want to suggest the chap's views are extreme. But I'm guessing it'll be a mixture of 'centre-right' and 'hard-right'.
I wonder who'll spot the left parts of that chap's views."
I’d consider myself to be pretty extremely left wing.
The views of the OP aren’t even close to the hard right or the far right. And I don’t think anyone would mistake them for that. |
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I'd say there is a good spread of opinion on the Politics Thread OP so just post what interests you.
The left-right dynamic is a confusing one these days as the left has adopted so many ideas traditionally associated with the right: an obsession with identity, support for globalisation and open borders, hostility to free speech, anti semitism, contempt for working class people, etc. |
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"well you came to the correct place considering 95% of the politics forum users are rightwing extremists, totalitarians and falangists.  "
Mmmmm, I love the left wing approach to over exaggerated the right in an attempt to suggest a risk or threat. And it can never be that it is simply right leaning policy supporters… you feel the need to badge them (me too maybe) as extremists, totalitarians and falangists. Really, are you so certain that unless you open the borders to every disenfranchised individual and ensure that we are all taxed to a homogeneous mediocrity, you are the next Hitler?
OMG, how our education system has failed our nation. |
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"The left-right dynamic is a confusing one these days as the left has adopted so many ideas traditionally associated with the right"
Nah, I think there are still the same basic differences as there have been for generations..
Equailty v hierachy
Rights v order
Modernism v tradition
Secularism v religion
Republicanism v monarchy
Internationalism v nationalism
Social protection v individual responsibiity
Diversity v stability
Pacifism v militarism
Views on the right have changed on things like feminism, divorce, mixed-race marriage and homosexuality though.
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Nah, I think there are still the same basic differences as there have been for generations..
Views on the right have changed on things like feminism, divorce, mixed-race marriage and homosexuality though.
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Equailty v hierachy
You can’t have true equality, that’s the issue. There has to be some for of hierarchy
Rights v order
Only those on the far left would say those on the right want to take your rights away. Order is not a bad thing
Modernism v tradition
Craving 1970s socialism isn’t being modern. Abandoning traditions is not always a good thing
Secularism v religion
Republicanism v monarchy
I think both of these are equally spread on both sides of the political divide
Internationalism v nationalism
Again, these are extremes. Putting foreign national before your own people is not noble, it’s just a different form of selfishness
Social protection v individual responsibiity
The middle ground here is what most want, again it’s the extremes that want to make us choose
Diversity v stability
Having a diverse unstable society is in nobody’s interests
Pacifism v militarism
This one I 100% agree with. The left would be happy to give away our country where the right want to defend it. |
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right."
Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right.
I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”
It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. |
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right.
Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right.
I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”
It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. "
If I quoted other things Churchill said I’d be banned from the forum such was the nastiness of many of his views. |
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If I quoted other things Churchill said I’d be banned from the forum such was the nastiness of many of his views. "
Attributed (genuine) quotes in the context of academic debate will not get your banned. |
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right.
Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right.
I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”
It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. "
That was his opinion, and if that were true, all of the older population would not be socialist. That simply isn't the case. |
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"I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”"
"That was his opinion, and if that were true, all of the older population would not be socialist. That simply isn't the case."
No, he was quite clear, there would be socialists over 40, it's just that they were all fools (was his opinion). |
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"I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”
That was his opinion, and if that were true, all of the older population would not be socialist. That simply isn't the case.
No, he was quite clear, there would be socialists over 40, it's just that they were all fools (was his opinion)."
Fair point. |
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right.
Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right.
I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”
It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. "
Well put. |
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right.
Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right.
I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”
It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money.
If I quoted other things Churchill said I’d be banned from the forum such was the nastiness of many of his views. "
The same is true of many other politicians, who like all of us, are flawed. I hope you and I are measured on our aggregated contribution and not simply on single events, lest they catch us on a bad day… or is it just me that makes mistakes? |
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I must say I'm greatly surprised at this thread. As soon as I saw the OP I thought that it would soon turn into a mud slinging match with people coming just to criticise the OP for having right wing views. But that hasn't happened. Instead we've had some reasonable debate.
Maybe the politics forum is growing up a bit. |
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I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you "
It's an interesting anecdote, but when Churchill was a young Tory, he was so angered by the anti-immigration 'Aliens Act' of 1905, that he went and sat on the Liberal Party benches for a while.
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