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"Fed up of seeing boats of young men washing up on the shores, committee crimes, not Integrating and bringing views that are outdated and not inline with British values. Voted labour and greens all my life. But enough is enough. Time for labour to do something about these criminals who come here illegally and stop treating people who don't like the erosion of British culture as bigots." What are the British values you refer to? | |||
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"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices. I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. " Well said 
There is no ‘British culture’. The world I, my parents and my grandparents grew up in were each very different places. Unrecognisable to each other. I am going through the same thing with my kids and how they see the world.
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"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices. I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. " It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want. Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices | |||
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"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices. I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want. Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices " You’re so close to self-awareness, just keep following that logic… | |||
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"for starter's reform is a misnomer .... there's no way i'm voting for a PLC business entity with a single share holder that has no facility for members to decide the policies of the corporation. this country is already held to ransom far too much by private business to even begin to think about scrapping the modicum of democracy we have and replacing it with autocracy." I guess businesses cant be holding the country to ransom that well or we wouldn’t have a government that couldn’t care less about business and is running things to benefit its mates in the public sector trade unions. Are businesses happy with the Labour government? How would a Reform government that’s been elected in a general election (let’s say) be any less democratic than any other government? If you don’t like what they do, kick them out at the next election, as Labour will be. At the moment we have a government that was elected by under 20% of the electorate. It’s difficult to see that things could get much less democratic. | |||
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" I guess businesses cant be holding the country to ransom that well or we wouldn’t have a government that couldn’t care less about business and is running things to benefit its mates in the public sector trade unions. Are businesses happy with the Labour government? How would a Reform government that’s been elected in a general election (let’s say) be any less democratic than any other government? If you don’t like what they do, kick them out at the next election, as Labour will be. At the moment we have a government that was elected by under 20% of the electorate. It’s difficult to see that things could get much less democratic." groomed | |||
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"What would need to happen for me to vote Reform ? . If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK. ..." Your post makes a lot of points about 'culture', and how you consider it to be a bad thing. Surely then, Reform attempting to 'deculturise' the UK would be a good thing. I'm not sure what it is that you think Reform are going to do that would be bad. | |||
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"I guess businesses cant be holding the country to ransom that well or we wouldn’t have a government that couldn’t care less about business and is running things to benefit its mates in the public sector trade unions. Are businesses happy with the Labour government? How would a Reform government that’s been elected in a general election (let’s say) be any less democratic than any other government? If you don’t like what they do, kick them out at the next election, as Labour will be. At the moment we have a government that was elected by under 20% of the electorate. It’s difficult to see that things could get much less democratic." "groomed" As per usual, someone asks you to justify your argument, and you ignore the question and resort to personal abuse. | |||
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"for starter's reform is a misnomer ..." How is it a misnomer? Reform are planning to make some quite significant changes, or to put it another way, make some 'reforms' to our political system. It seems to me that their name is quite apt. | |||
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"I guess businesses cant be holding the country to ransom that well or we wouldn’t have a government that couldn’t care less about business and is running things to benefit its mates in the public sector trade unions. Are businesses happy with the Labour government? How would a Reform government that’s been elected in a general election (let’s say) be any less democratic than any other government? If you don’t like what they do, kick them out at the next election, as Labour will be. At the moment we have a government that was elected by under 20% of the electorate. It’s difficult to see that things could get much less democratic. groomed As per usual, someone asks you to justify your argument, and you ignore the question and resort to personal abuse. " no ... just the truth | |||
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"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices. I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want. Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices " Sharia Law!?! Time to lose the paranoia  only a tiny minority of a tiny minority are doing that. Only 6% of us are Muslim and barely any of them come from Sharia ruled back grounds. Which is also irrelevant because it has no, none , zero relevance here. | |||
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"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices. I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want. Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices Sharia Law!?! Time to lose the paranoia only a tiny minority of a tiny minority are doing that. Only 6% of us are Muslim and barely any of them come from Sharia ruled back grounds. Which is also irrelevant because it has no, none , zero relevance here."i was in a supermarket the other day an the man in front of me was an islam an he dint have enough money to pay for his grosserys and I paid for his grosserys an he said i was kind so he was goin to b kind to and warnd me that muslins want shania law | |||
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"What would need to happen for me to vote Reform ? . If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK. ... Your post makes a lot of points about 'culture', and how you consider it to be a bad thing. Surely then, Reform attempting to 'deculturise' the UK would be a good thing. I'm not sure what it is that you think Reform are going to do that would be bad." That is quite some feat to take my warnings about embedded culture and then present Reform as being the solution to deculturalise. Reform are "doubling down" on the jingoism and nationalism, not tearing it apart and consigning it to the dustbin. . Whilst you may not be sure what it is that I think about what Reform are going to do, that pales in to insignificance in to what much more learned and wise political experts far cleverer than you or I are warning. There is enough material out there to get a multi-opinioned overview. | |||
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"for starter's reform is a misnomer .... there's no way i'm voting for a PLC business entity with a single share holder that has no facility for members to decide the policies of the corporation. this country is already held to ransom far too much by private business to even begin to think about scrapping the modicum of democracy we have and replacing it with autocracy." you live in a PLC | |||
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"What would need to happen for me to vote Reform ? . If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK. ..." "Your post makes a lot of points about 'culture', and how you consider it to be a bad thing. Surely then, Reform attempting to 'deculturise' the UK would be a good thing. I'm not sure what it is that you think Reform are going to do that would be bad." "That is quite some feat to take my warnings about embedded culture and then present Reform as being the solution to deculturalise. Reform are "doubling down" on the jingoism and nationalism, not tearing it apart and consigning it to the dustbin." It sounds to me that you think Reform are building up a nationalist culture. I'm still confused as to why you would describe them as having plans to deculturalise the UK. I see 'deculturalise' as meaning "remove all sense of a unified culture". What did you intend it to mean? | |||
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"Fed up of seeing boats of young men washing up on the shores, committee crimes, not Integrating and bringing views that are outdated and not inline with British values. Voted labour and greens all my life. But enough is enough. Time for labour to do something about these criminals who come here illegally and stop treating people who don't like the erosion of British culture as bigots." If they: Stopped being funded by the fossil fuels industry, started to recognise and understand the science of climate change. Stopped promoting fear and hate towards foreigners, immigrants, Muslims, etc. Stopping promoting outrage over the LGBTQ+ community, pride events, rainbow flags etc. Changed their stance on healthcare, social care and wanted to help the most vulnerable in society instead. Got rid of their top tier, Farage, Tice, Lee Anderson etc. The entire Brexit crew. Moved away from right wing popularism. Had a realistic economic plan that made some kind of sense. Stopped trying to divide the population, and actually represent the electorate. Basically, to Vote Reform they would have to be completely different with who is in the party and pretty much every single policy and piece of rhetoric. | |||
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" I see 'deculturalise' as meaning "remove all sense of a unified culture". What did you intend it to mean?" I'm scratching my head wondering where on earth I said "Reform plan to "deculturalise" the UK. So I read my initial post which said.. "If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK." Sorry if I did not make it clearer, but perhaps I should have said.. "I might consider voting for Reform *IF* they completely pivot and introduced plans to "deculturalise" the UK." . Since that is not on their agenda, it's a moot point. | |||
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"I'm scratching my head wondering where on earth I said "Reform plan to "deculturalise" the UK. So I read my initial post which said.. "If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK." Sorry if I did not make it clearer, but perhaps I should have said.. "I might consider voting for Reform *IF* they completely pivot and introduced plans to "deculturalise" the UK." . Since that is not on their agenda, it's a moot point." It's now your fault, it's me. I've just been back and re-read your first post and it does indeed say what you said is does. Up to now I've been reading it as "If they completely pivot and renounce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK". I apologise for confusing you with my nonsensical arguments. | |||
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"If they: Stopped being funded by the fossil fuels industry, started to recognise and understand the science of climate change." Can you point to evidence of Reform being directly funded by fossil fuel companies, or are you just inferring that from their stance on climate change? | |||
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"If they: Stopped being funded by the fossil fuels industry, started to recognise and understand the science of climate change. Can you point to evidence of Reform being directly funded by fossil fuel companies, or are you just inferring that from their stance on climate change?" There's a piece in the NYT that discussed just this entitled: "A Threat on the Right to Britain’s Conservatives, as Donors Fund a Populist Rival" You can peruse at your leisure and note the fossil fuels investors etc that donate to Reform. But as mentioned, this is but one of the many things (ie pretty much everything) Reform would need to change to attract my vote. | |||
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"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH " We’ve just had a couple of substantial areas limited 20mph I was wondering why is the problem with it. | |||
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"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices. I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want. Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices Sharia Law!?! Time to lose the paranoia only a tiny minority of a tiny minority are doing that. Only 6% of us are Muslim and barely any of them come from Sharia ruled back grounds. Which is also irrelevant because it has no, none , zero relevance here.
i was in a supermarket the other day an the man in front of me was an islam an he dint have enough money to pay for his grosserys and I paid for his grosserys an he said i was kind so he was goin to b kind to and warnd me that muslins want shania law "Ha ha ha! There you have it. Conclusive proof! A bloke you bumped into at the supermarket said so! Ha ha ha! | |||
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"Reform would need to tax the rich, and bring in more robust tax laws on avoidance. Tax the ordinary man less, or at least get a better progressive tax system. Then reduce or remove all together the regressive taxes." One of Reform's policies is to increase the Income Tax threshold to £20,000. That'll help the ordinary man, and leave the rich paying a higher percentage of tax. Is that a step in the right direction? | |||
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"I'm scratching my head wondering where on earth I said "Reform plan to "deculturalise" the UK. So I read my initial post which said.. "If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK." Sorry if I did not make it clearer, but perhaps I should have said.. "I might consider voting for Reform *IF* they completely pivot and introduced plans to "deculturalise" the UK." . Since that is not on their agenda, it's a moot point. It's now your fault, it's me. I've just been back and re-read your first post and it does indeed say what you said is does. Up to now I've been reading it as "If they completely pivot and renounce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK". I apologise for confusing you with my nonsensical arguments." No worries. Having reread my initial post, I felt in hindsight it was worth clarifying. | |||
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"Reform would need to tax the rich, and bring in more robust tax laws on avoidance. Tax the ordinary man less, or at least get a better progressive tax system. Then reduce or remove all together the regressive taxes. One of Reform's policies is to increase the Income Tax threshold to £20,000. That'll help the ordinary man, and leave the rich paying a higher percentage of tax. Is that a step in the right direction?" In isolation to everything else, yes. In isolation. Unfortunately, the rest of the baggage is toxic. I'm not prepared to eat a shit sandwich on the promise there might be a shaving of chocolate in it | |||
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"Reform would need to tax the rich, and bring in more robust tax laws on avoidance. Tax the ordinary man less, or at least get a better progressive tax system. Then reduce or remove all together the regressive taxes. One of Reform's policies is to increase the Income Tax threshold to £20,000. That'll help the ordinary man, and leave the rich paying a higher percentage of tax. Is that a step in the right direction?" How will that make billionaires pay more tax? To pay for that, they will probably have to cut other public spending, which will likely make the poorest worse off. It's like the American model; more money in your pocket, but fall on hard times and you're screwed. Farage is a fan of the US though, wants US style privatisation of NHS and all the vulture capitalism that comes with that. I met a few Canadians recently, not socialists at all, not by a long stretch. They said that when they cross the border they laugh at all the advertisements/signposts for putting lawsuit claims in and the general parasitic nature of the place. States is one of the worst countries on the planet now unless you're a multi millionaire, like farage is... | |||
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"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH We’ve just had a couple of substantial areas limited 20mph I was wondering why is the problem with it. " because the Telegraph says there is | |||
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"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH " You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific. I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. | |||
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"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific. I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. " (phonetic wenglish) .... aye, ee wansa reorpen orl a corl mines an force orla kids t'work down air? e's fukin mental but! | |||
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"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific. I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. " I'd prefer both less road traffic deaths AND no Reform in power. | |||
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"They would need to change their economic agenda. Farage is a Thatcherite." | |||
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"Fed up of seeing boats of young men washing up on the shores, committee crimes, not Integrating and bringing views that are outdated and not inline with British values. Voted labour and greens all my life. But enough is enough. Time for labour to do something about these criminals who come here illegally and stop treating people who don't like the erosion of British culture as bigots." I wouldn't even consider it. They don't align with my values also being that they have none. Do people like you ever worry about things like poverty ect or do you believe that all problems are due to the people you listed? Genuine question. | |||
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"As the child of immigrants, born in this country, I could never vote for reform. Right now, their target is the boat people. After that it will be the legal immigrants of colour. After that it will be remigration for British citizens who are second, third, even fourth generation immigrants of colour. It would be like a Turkey voting for Christmas. " Exactly! | |||
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"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific. I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. " Thank you for saying this as I was about to! | |||
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"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific. I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. Thank you for saying this as I was about to! " | |||
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"got to be better than these clowns in now . bring back boris " That's hilarious. | |||
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"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it. I'd rather vote for the village cat. " Me too! | |||
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"If many of the posts on this thread are typical of the general population then Reform can expect quite a beating in forthcoming elections. Or the surgeon's will have been extremely busy with lobotomy operations" For my money this thread shows a resurgence of the phenomenon known back in 1992 as "shy Tory". Back then there were lots of people in the media talking about how Labour would definitely win the election. It was hard to find a voice saying otherwise. But Labour lost. It turned out that a lot of people had been planning to vote Tory, but didn't want to have an argument about it, so they stayed quiet. In my view, a similar thing is happening now. In my view there are a lot of people that are strongly considering voting for Reform, but who don't want to say so because they'll get shouted down by those that hate the party. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Reform having a lot more support than the polls show. | |||
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"If many of the posts on this thread are typical of the general population then Reform can expect quite a beating in forthcoming elections. Or the surgeon's will have been extremely busy with lobotomy operations For my money this thread shows a resurgence of the phenomenon known back in 1992 as "shy Tory". Back then there were lots of people in the media talking about how Labour would definitely win the election. It was hard to find a voice saying otherwise. But Labour lost. It turned out that a lot of people had been planning to vote Tory, but didn't want to have an argument about it, so they stayed quiet. In my view, a similar thing is happening now. In my view there are a lot of people that are strongly considering voting for Reform, but who don't want to say so because they'll get shouted down by those that hate the party. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Reform having a lot more support than the polls show." Reform would actually have to have a fulky costed manifesto before anyone sane would even contemplate voting for them. If you read their current document everything is 'potential savings' and no evidence of how they'll fund all their suggestions. The only thing in the whole document I agree with is scrapping HS2. The rest is just nationalistic rhetoric and ramblings that they think will appeal to people. If they really think they'll reduce divorce rates by adjusting tax thresholds for married couples I have a bridge to sell them......🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ | |||
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"If many of the posts on this thread are typical of the general population then Reform can expect quite a beating in forthcoming elections. Or the surgeon's will have been extremely busy with lobotomy operations For my money this thread shows a resurgence of the phenomenon known back in 1992 as "shy Tory". Back then there were lots of people in the media talking about how Labour would definitely win the election. It was hard to find a voice saying otherwise. But Labour lost. It turned out that a lot of people had been planning to vote Tory, but didn't want to have an argument about it, so they stayed quiet. In my view, a similar thing is happening now. In my view there are a lot of people that are strongly considering voting for Reform, but who don't want to say so because they'll get shouted down by those that hate the party. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Reform having a lot more support than the polls show." That's an interesting thought and possibility. They don't seem shy when it comes to the polling companies given that they are doing pretty well in that recently. On forums or in person discussions perhaps keeping quiet is a fair way to avoid conflict and possible abuse | |||
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"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on. If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying? " Scrapping HS2 is moronic. | |||
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"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on. If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying? Scrapping HS2 is moronic. "Too far in to scrap it. | |||
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"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on. If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying? Scrapping HS2 is moronic.
Too far in to scrap it. "Half of it has already been scrapped. When it eventually goes live in about 10 years the journey time from Birmingham to the centre of London will take the same time as it does now. Capacity may increase. Travel won't decrease. It's always been a vanity project and one that's more than doubled in cost. Without the full extension to Manchester it's pretty pointless. | |||
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"They get my vote..its time for change" Change is only good if it's in some way positive. Do you have an example of the kind of change Reform would bring? | |||
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"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on. If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying? Scrapping HS2 is moronic.
Too far in to scrap it.
Half of it has already been scrapped.
When it eventually goes live in about 10 years the journey time from Birmingham to the centre of London will take the same time as it does now. Capacity may increase. Travel won't decrease. It's always been a vanity project and one that's more than doubled in cost. Without the full extension to Manchester it's pretty pointless. "Absolutely. I never said I wasn't filled with rage when rishi announced the northern leg would be scrapped. But scrapping the whole thing is moronic. That money won't get diverted to other capital investment if scrapped, let alone massive national transport investment; something the UK apart from south east has lacked any of for 60 years. | |||
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"They get my vote..its time for change Change is only good if it's in some way positive. Do you have an example of the kind of change Reform would bring?" Well they would implement brexit properly and we would get all the benefits farage promised
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"They get my vote..its time for change Change is only good if it's in some way positive. Do you have an example of the kind of change Reform would bring? Well they would implement brexit properly and we would get all the benefits farage promised
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"They would need to change their economic agenda. Farage is a Thatcherite." | |||
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"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it. I'd rather vote for the village cat. " Completely agree And yes, Larry for prime minister | |||
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"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it. I'd rather vote for the village cat. Completely agree And yes, Larry for prime minister" i am with this ... I wanted Larry to be available. Luckily my local election didnt vote in reform but they have got control of our main council  | |||
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"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it. I'd rather vote for the village cat. Completely agree And yes, Larry for prime minister i am with this ... I wanted Larry to be available. Luckily my local election didnt vote in reform but they have got control of our main council "They have Kent County Council I'm watching with interest and a face like this 😱 | |||
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"The biggest danger is what happened at the last election. Reform and the Tories split the sensible voters leaving the current dangerous and incompetent government to get a second term by default." Panicking about foreigners, pretending science isn't real and transferring wealth and power from ordinary people to those at the top is "sensible"? Amazing. | |||
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"Judging by recent opinion polls not a lot needs to happen. They are already in the lead which is a remarkable achievement from a standing start. Part privatisation of the health service will improve the service to the public. The NHS should be run for the benefit of the public, not those who work in it. Every other European countrry has a part privatised health service. . At least reform has a vision of the future , compares the UK to other countries and is prepared to take action. " Their manifesto days that people will get a voucher for private treatment if the can't see their GP in 3 days, a consultant in 3 weeks and a surgeon on 9 weeks. The private sector doesn't have the capacity to meet existing waiting lists let alone any future needs. And they've given zero details how this would be funded. Much like every other 'policy'. It's all guestimates, soundbites and words designed to garner support rather than any costed, workable actions. Some of the manifesto content isnt even possible from a practical, legal and financial point of view. But people fall for it and actually believe it will be done. Much like the brexit promises made pre referendum.....🤦♂️🤦♂️ | |||
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"Judging by recent opinion polls not a lot needs to happen. They are already in the lead which is a remarkable achievement from a standing start. Part privatisation of the health service will improve the service to the public. The NHS should be run for the benefit of the public, not those who work in it. Every other European countrry has a part privatised health service. . At least reform has a vision of the future , compares the UK to other countries and is prepared to take action. Their manifesto days that people will get a voucher for private treatment if the can't see their GP in 3 days, a consultant in 3 weeks and a surgeon on 9 weeks. The private sector doesn't have the capacity to meet existing waiting lists let alone any future needs. And they've given zero details how this would be funded. Much like every other 'policy'. It's all guestimates, soundbites and words designed to garner support rather than any costed, workable actions. Some of the manifesto content isnt even possible from a practical, legal and financial point of view. But people fall for it and actually believe it will be done. Much like the brexit promises made pre referendum.....🤦♂️🤦♂️" I agree with a lot of that, but it’s exactly the same as what Labour are doing. They just announced £300 billion extra spending, cuts that will save maybe one or two billion and £119 billion of extra borrowing. No mention of where the other £180 billion will come from and if it’s tax, that will have to be from basic rate income tax and/or a massive increase in VAT. My guess is 2% on basic tax, 5% on the middle and top rate and 2% on VAT. | |||
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"Judging by recent opinion polls not a lot needs to happen. They are already in the lead which is a remarkable achievement from a standing start. Part privatisation of the health service will improve the service to the public. The NHS should be run for the benefit of the public, not those who work in it. Every other European countrry has a part privatised health service. . At least reform has a vision of the future , compares the UK to other countries and is prepared to take action. Their manifesto days that people will get a voucher for private treatment if the can't see their GP in 3 days, a consultant in 3 weeks and a surgeon on 9 weeks. The private sector doesn't have the capacity to meet existing waiting lists let alone any future needs. And they've given zero details how this would be funded. Much like every other 'policy'. It's all guestimates, soundbites and words designed to garner support rather than any costed, workable actions. Some of the manifesto content isnt even possible from a practical, legal and financial point of view. But people fall for it and actually believe it will be done. Much like the brexit promises made pre referendum.....🤦♂️🤦♂️ I agree with a lot of that, but it’s exactly the same as what Labour are doing. They just announced £300 billion extra spending, cuts that will save maybe one or two billion and £119 billion of extra borrowing. No mention of where the other £180 billion will come from and if it’s tax, that will have to be from basic rate income tax and/or a massive increase in VAT. My guess is 2% on basic tax, 5% on the middle and top rate and 2% on VAT. " This is a useful read. The figures look daunting, but that's how they'll always come across to many as they see a Spending Review in the same terms as an annual budget, which it isnt in any way shape or form. https://news.sky.com/story/the-five-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-spending-review-13381750 | |||
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"Voting hasn't been working and civil war against establishment is looking mighty tempting. That said, Reform appear to be reviewing pointless DEI wastage in Staffordshire and roads that have been bad for months got fixed this month. Well probably give them a punt as a last ditch bit we expect they'll end up being just another puppet of the establishment." Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂 | |||
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" Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂" Repairing pot holes doesn't need months of planning. Councils can do reactive repairs on simpler defects at much shorter notice. Alot of folk in Staffordshire county Council have been signing up to their union as they can see the writing may be on the wall for some of them. Hopefully it is because they're an appalling council. | |||
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" Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂 Repairing pot holes doesn't need months of planning. Councils can do reactive repairs on simpler defects at much shorter notice. Alot of folk in Staffordshire county Council have been signing up to their union as they can see the writing may be on the wall for some of them. Hopefully it is because they're an appalling council." One of reforms policies is to leave the ECHR. Which if that happened would remove the legal protection of the right to join a trade union. Combined with a statement of intent in the manifesto to 'cut red tape' in relation to hiring and firing....and I'd be joining a union too if I was a council employee. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Voting hasn't been working and civil war against establishment is looking mighty tempting. That said, Reform appear to be reviewing pointless DEI wastage in Staffordshire and roads that have been bad for months got fixed this month. Well probably give them a punt as a last ditch bit we expect they'll end up being just another puppet of the establishment. Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂" The bigger stuff is but pot holes can form, worsen, get tagged and fixed within a few weeks. Or left forever of course 🤣 | |||
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"Voting hasn't been working and civil war against establishment is looking mighty tempting. That said, Reform appear to be reviewing pointless DEI wastage in Staffordshire and roads that have been bad for months got fixed this month. Well probably give them a punt as a last ditch bit we expect they'll end up being just another puppet of the establishment. Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂 The bigger stuff is but pot holes can form, worsen, get tagged and fixed within a few weeks. Or left forever of course 🤣" Yep. And usually rush job maintenance to quieten complaints that needs doing again a few weeks later...... But it does make for good PR sometimes. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Voting hasn't been working and civil war against establishment is looking mighty tempting. That said, Reform appear to be reviewing pointless DEI wastage in Staffordshire and roads that have been bad for months got fixed this month. Well probably give them a punt as a last ditch bit we expect they'll end up being just another puppet of the establishment. Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂 The bigger stuff is but pot holes can form, worsen, get tagged and fixed within a few weeks. Or left forever of course 🤣 Yep. And usually rush job maintenance to quieten complaints that needs doing again a few weeks later...... But it does make for good PR sometimes. 🤷♂️" Agree totally. In a village near us someone had the idea to paint a cock and balls on all the pot holes overnight. They were fixed within days | |||
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. " Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew. | |||
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"2402 arrivals in small boats this last week What are Labour doing. " Labour are smashing the gangs remember. | |||
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"2402 arrivals in small boats this last week What are Labour doing. Labour are smashing the gangs remember. " Labours business model to smash gangs, let more in and boat rides become cheaper and gangs make less money. Typical labour business plan that is. | |||
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew." . Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country . | |||
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew.. Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country . " Which laws were you thinking of? | |||
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew.. Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country . " We already have the right to deport anyone who doesn’t have the right to be here. The problem a lot of the time is the country they are from denies they are their citizens and refuse to accept them. The irony is if the migrant was fleeing persecution, their home country would love to get them back. So this kinda proves what a bunch of lying freeloaders they were in the first place. | |||
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew.. Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country . "
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew.. Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country . We already have the right to deport anyone who doesn’t have the right to be here. The problem a lot of the time is the country they are from denies they are their citizens and refuse to accept them. The irony is if the migrant was fleeing persecution, their home country would love to get them back. So this kinda proves what a bunch of lying freeloaders they were in the first place. " No. We really don't. "International law (specifically the 1951 Refugee Convention) prevents returning refugees to countries where they face persecution or threats to their life or freedom." There are specific circumstances where people can be returned to their country of origin. "Refusal of Asylum Claim: If an asylum seeker's claim is assessed and deemed unfounded, their application will be refused, and they may be subject to return. Withdrawal of Claim: An asylum seeker can withdraw their claim, which can also lead to their return. Third-Country Provisions: Under certain agreements (like the Dublin Regulation in the EU), an asylum seeker can be returned to a country they previously passed through, where their claim should have been processed. *no longer applicable to the UK due to brexit of course* Criminality or Threat to Public Safety: If an asylum seeker is found to have committed a crime or is deemed a threat to public safety, they may be deported and returned." We can't just choose to. | |||
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. " The Dublin Agreements meant that we could return some immigrants if they'd previously made an asylum claim in the EU. We never returned more than 2,500 people in a year, and in every year that it ran we had more people returned to us than we sent to the EU. So it only applied to a small percentage of arrivals, and overall it resulted in more people arriving, but yes, it was ended by Brexit. | |||
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"I would, will, always will vote REFORM UK. The only political party in this country that is worth voting for. Nigel for PM!" Always some comedy gold in this thread to brighten my day. | |||
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"I would, will, always will vote REFORM UK. The only political party in this country that is worth voting for. Nigel for PM!" Record numbers of small boats this year over last year, a 35% increase. ‘Stop the boats’, will Reform be chatting shit like Labour | |||
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"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe. Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system. But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum". So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew.. Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country . We already have the right to deport anyone who doesn’t have the right to be here. The problem a lot of the time is the country they are from denies they are their citizens and refuse to accept them. The irony is if the migrant was fleeing persecution, their home country would love to get them back. So this kinda proves what a bunch of lying freeloaders they were in the first place. No. We really don't. "International law (specifically the 1951 Refugee Convention) prevents returning refugees to countries where they face persecution or threats to their life or freedom." There are specific circumstances where people can be returned to their country of origin. "Refusal of Asylum Claim: If an asylum seeker's claim is assessed and deemed unfounded, their application will be refused, and they may be subject to return. Withdrawal of Claim: An asylum seeker can withdraw their claim, which can also lead to their return. Third-Country Provisions: Under certain agreements (like the Dublin Regulation in the EU), an asylum seeker can be returned to a country they previously passed through, where their claim should have been processed. *no longer applicable to the UK due to brexit of course* Criminality or Threat to Public Safety: If an asylum seeker is found to have committed a crime or is deemed a threat to public safety, they may be deported and returned." We can't just choose to. " Exactly, those people have no right to be here which is exactly what I said. | |||
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"I would, will, always will vote REFORM UK. The only political party in this country that is worth voting for. Nigel for PM! Record numbers of small boats this year over last year, a 35% increase. ‘Stop the boats’, will Reform be chatting shit like Labour " Why would Reform want to do anything about immigration or small boat crossings? Most of their supporters seem to live in a state of permanent panic about foreigners. So why would they take away their main source of support. | |||
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"Why would Reform want to do anything about immigration or small boat crossings? Most of their supporters seem to live in a state of permanent panic about foreigners. So why would they take away their main source of support." Does that also explain why Labour have done very little about the issue, because their supporters are all in a racist fervour? | |||
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" One of reforms policies is to leave the ECHR. Which if that happened would remove the legal protection of the right to join a trade union. Combined with a statement of intent in the manifesto to 'cut red tape' in relation to hiring and firing....and I'd be joining a union too if I was a council employee. 🤷♂️" Empty excuses and nothing more. Here's a thought; Imagine what would happen if the government did make trade unions illegal... Also, unions aren't protected under EHCR in Australia yet still they exist... | |||
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" One of reforms policies is to leave the ECHR. Which if that happened would remove the legal protection of the right to join a trade union. Combined with a statement of intent in the manifesto to 'cut red tape' in relation to hiring and firing....and I'd be joining a union too if I was a council employee. 🤷♂️ Empty excuses and nothing more. Here's a thought; Imagine what would happen if the government did make trade unions illegal... Also, unions aren't protected under EHCR in Australia yet still they exist..." It's not unions that are protected. It's the right to join one. There's a massive difference. 😉 | |||
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"Why would Reform want to do anything about immigration or small boat crossings? Most of their supporters seem to live in a state of permanent panic about foreigners. So why would they take away their main source of support. Does that also explain why Labour have done very little about the issue, because their supporters are all in a racist fervour?" Don't understand the question sorry. | |||
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"Oh and mind how after Brexit all the leaders of that shit show moved their money out of the uk. Yes conmen who will use us to pay for their market manipulation." Do you have access to Farage's investment portfolio? How do you know that he moved all his money out of the UK? Ignoring that, if it had been market manipulation, they would have moved their money before the vote. Moving money after the event is just reacting to news. | |||
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"I agree It's only the threat of Reform that's driving change. Starmer has back tracked on the enquiry and the benefits. If he doesn't get a grip on the influx of economic migrants labour is toast. Ironically, the Labour majority is because Reform split the Tory vote. I'd say if Reform ever got into office it would shake up British Politics as much has DT has in the US - Something needs to be done - we can have an NHS and a benefit system but we can't have open borders " I've got good news for you. We don't have open boarders. Phew. So no need to vote for those science denying, foreigner-blaming, self servicing pricks. | |||
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"As I suspect, reform are the party for the rich. https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/06/23/britannia-card-tax-cost-uk/" How is that for the rich? Rich people already here can't use it. It's a scheme to attract foreign entrepreneurs here. They'll have to live here, which means paying tax here on all their UK earnings. The alternative is to not allow them to pay £250,000, to not come here to live, and to not pay any taxes here. How is that better? | |||
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"... when they sell off the NHS you will all have to start paying health insurance ..." We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance. "... once its gone it cant be got back ..." Why not? There was a time before the NHS, and we managed to build one. Why couldn't we do that again? | |||
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" We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance. " national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage. | |||
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"We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance." "national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage." The word you're looking for is "hypothecated", and no National insurance isn't a hypothecated tax, but it was increased when the NHS was created to help pay for it. Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance. | |||
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"We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance. national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage. The word you're looking for is "hypothecated", and no National insurance isn't a hypothecated tax, but it was increased when the NHS was created to help pay for it. Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance." I think that's optimistic. I dread to think how much mine would be at 68 with hypothyroidism. Or my 98 year old father with prostate cancer. | |||
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" Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance." And you think that would end up cheaper??? | |||
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"We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance. national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage. The word you're looking for is "hypothecated", and no National insurance isn't a hypothecated tax, but it was increased when the NHS was created to help pay for it. Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance. I think that's optimistic. I dread to think how much mine would be at 68 with hypothyroidism. Or my 98 year old father with prostate cancer. " Refer to the US; where people living in slums because they can't pay for their medication or treatment with chronic illnesses and life threatening condition. Low taxes, but f**ked when you need the state to back you. No thanks. | |||
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