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I can't see AI driven vehicles ever being a thing in Britain.
Sat nav is too unreliable. Doesn't pick up all road closures, variable speed limits, roadwork speed limits, temporary traffic lights or road signs.
Then there's the unpredictability of humans driving. We travel around 30k miles a year and see some awful driving. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"I can't see AI driven vehicles ever being a thing in Britain.
Sat nav is too unreliable. Doesn't pick up all road closures, variable speed limits, roadwork speed limits, temporary traffic lights or road signs.
Then there's the unpredictability of humans driving. We travel around 30k miles a year and see some awful driving. "
Why is this an issue for autonomous cars? It is definitely an issue for humans who need to assess every issue in realtime when they are in control of a moving vehicle.
The point about sat-nav not being updated, this is a good point. When we move to full autonomous self driving, we need to establish one protocol that links everything together to remove that issue. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work. "
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"Yes, it makes perfect sense to do so."
I get the safety aspects but….
Add in the HGV, coach, bus, tube, tram and train drivers and you’ve got just under a million people that could be put out of work almost overnight.
A rough calculation puts that at costing the treasury about £20-25 billion in lost tax and increased benefits.
That’s potentially a 3% increase in basic rate of tax or 13% increase in the higher rate, or a combination of the two obviously.
I personally think starting with trains would be easier. Train crashes are nearly all from human error and have much higher casualties rates. Less frequent of course, it’s impossible for a train to swerve across the tracks because the driver dropped his phone. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out. "
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Yes, it makes perfect sense to do so.
I get the safety aspects but….
Add in the HGV, coach, bus, tube, tram and train drivers and you’ve got just under a million people that could be put out of work almost overnight.
A rough calculation puts that at costing the treasury about £20-25 billion in lost tax and increased benefits.
That’s potentially a 3% increase in basic rate of tax or 13% increase in the higher rate, or a combination of the two obviously.
I personally think starting with trains would be easier. Train crashes are nearly all from human error and have much higher casualties rates. Less frequent of course, it’s impossible for a train to swerve across the tracks because the driver dropped his phone. "
Take the money out of the net zero pool  .
Being serious, there will be a whole sectors disappear, but as always they will impact those doing the jobs today not those coming up behind them. This is why it is important to get the strategy correct to support those needing to retrain etc.
With this tech will also come new opportunities yet to be exploited. |
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"I’d feel safer riding pillion to Michael Dunlop on the Isle of Man TT course.
Have you ever travelled by plane?"
Completely different situation, plane autopilot is not an autonomous system, it holds a basic predetermining route, which is overseen by both the pilots and traffic controllers, it does not need to worry about traffic enroute in any shape. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"I’d feel safer riding pillion to Michael Dunlop on the Isle of Man TT course.
Have you ever travelled by plane?
Completely different situation, plane autopilot is not an autonomous system, it holds a basic predetermining route, which is overseen by both the pilots and traffic controllers, it does not need to worry about traffic enroute in any shape."
It’s only a “completely different situation” because air travel was designed to make autopilot safe.
If we did the same for roads, autonomous driving would outperform humans easily.
Do you think autonomous vehicles are somehow sentient? |
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"I’d feel safer riding pillion to Michael Dunlop on the Isle of Man TT course.
Have you ever travelled by plane?
Completely different situation, plane autopilot is not an autonomous system, it holds a basic predetermining route, which is overseen by both the pilots and traffic controllers, it does not need to worry about traffic enroute in any shape.
It’s only a “completely different situation” because air travel was designed to make autopilot safe.
If we did the same for roads, autonomous driving would outperform humans easily.
Do you think autonomous vehicles are somehow sentient?"
Air travel was not designed for autopilot, the structure of air travel is the way it has always been, it’s safe for a dumb autopilot because of the reduced traffic, 3d space and, existing safety measures of separation and flight paths. Basically it’s safe by the fact there’s less to crash In to. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"I’d feel safer riding pillion to Michael Dunlop on the Isle of Man TT course.
Have you ever travelled by plane?
Completely different situation, plane autopilot is not an autonomous system, it holds a basic predetermining route, which is overseen by both the pilots and traffic controllers, it does not need to worry about traffic enroute in any shape.
It’s only a “completely different situation” because air travel was designed to make autopilot safe.
If we did the same for roads, autonomous driving would outperform humans easily.
Do you think autonomous vehicles are somehow sentient?
Air travel was not designed for autopilot, the structure of air travel is the way it has always been, it’s safe for a dumb autopilot because of the reduced traffic, 3d space and, existing safety measures of separation and flight paths. Basically it’s safe by the fact there’s less to crash In to."
You could if interested look at the following:
Waymo One: 56.7 million miles driven without a human driver. The fleet is now covering 1million miles a month on one of the most challenging road networks in the world. The accident rate is 90% less than that of humans. Jan 2024 - Jan 2025 38 accidents, which 4 were the fault of Waymo One. Finally they are completing around 250k trips a week with paying customers.
I think you will agree that those stats do not reflect your scepticism. |
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"I’d feel safer riding pillion to Michael Dunlop on the Isle of Man TT course.
Have you ever travelled by plane?
Completely different situation, plane autopilot is not an autonomous system, it holds a basic predetermining route, which is overseen by both the pilots and traffic controllers, it does not need to worry about traffic enroute in any shape.
It’s only a “completely different situation” because air travel was designed to make autopilot safe.
If we did the same for roads, autonomous driving would outperform humans easily.
Do you think autonomous vehicles are somehow sentient?
Air travel was not designed for autopilot, the structure of air travel is the way it has always been, it’s safe for a dumb autopilot because of the reduced traffic, 3d space and, existing safety measures of separation and flight paths. Basically it’s safe by the fact there’s less to crash In to.
You could if interested look at the following:
Waymo One: 56.7 million miles driven without a human driver. The fleet is now covering 1million miles a month on one of the most challenging road networks in the world. The accident rate is 90% less than that of humans. Jan 2024 - Jan 2025 38 accidents, which 4 were the fault of Waymo One. Finally they are completing around 250k trips a week with paying customers.
I think you will agree that those stats do not reflect your scepticism. "
I’ve never said I was sceptical or it does not work, just that your analogy was false equivalence. I just think autonomous cars are pointless, if you don’t want to drive a car, get a human to drive you help a fellow human earn some money. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination."
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home. 
And who is going to charge these vehicles. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles."
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"I’d feel safer riding pillion to Michael Dunlop on the Isle of Man TT course.
Have you ever travelled by plane?
Completely different situation, plane autopilot is not an autonomous system, it holds a basic predetermining route, which is overseen by both the pilots and traffic controllers, it does not need to worry about traffic enroute in any shape.
It’s only a “completely different situation” because air travel was designed to make autopilot safe.
If we did the same for roads, autonomous driving would outperform humans easily.
Do you think autonomous vehicles are somehow sentient?
Air travel was not designed for autopilot, the structure of air travel is the way it has always been, it’s safe for a dumb autopilot because of the reduced traffic, 3d space and, existing safety measures of separation and flight paths. Basically it’s safe by the fact there’s less to crash In to.
You could if interested look at the following:
Waymo One: 56.7 million miles driven without a human driver. The fleet is now covering 1million miles a month on one of the most challenging road networks in the world. The accident rate is 90% less than that of humans. Jan 2024 - Jan 2025 38 accidents, which 4 were the fault of Waymo One. Finally they are completing around 250k trips a week with paying customers.
I think you will agree that those stats do not reflect your scepticism.
I’ve never said I was sceptical or it does not work, just that your analogy was false equivalence. I just think autonomous cars are pointless, if you don’t want to drive a car, get a human to drive you help a fellow human earn some money. "
Great to hear that your are now onboard |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles.
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking. "
But there is no driver, who is going to plug it in. Who is going to help the mother getting the pram in the boot, and just think of the line of cars blocking up tescos 6 taxi drop off pick up spaces. And hope they don't drive off with your garlic bread in the boot to boot. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles.
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking. "
Renault had that idea for electric vehicles a decade ago, swapping batteries in a fully automated process at a “filling station” type centre. I don’t know why it got ditched, my mate was manager at a Renault dealership, he told me about it, but he doesn’t work for them anymore |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles.
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking.
But there is no driver, who is going to plug it in. Who is going to help the mother getting the pram in the boot, and just think of the line of cars blocking up tescos 6 taxi drop off pick up spaces. And hope they don't drive off with your garlic bread in the boot to boot. "
Have ever seen lawnmowers and hoovers travel back to their charging base?
On the problem with getting in and out in outlier cases, it wouldn't be a stretch to offer a service that supports that need.
Solutions are always available at Fab auto cars.  |
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"I’d feel safer riding pillion to Michael Dunlop on the Isle of Man TT course.
Have you ever travelled by plane?
Completely different situation, plane autopilot is not an autonomous system, it holds a basic predetermining route, which is overseen by both the pilots and traffic controllers, it does not need to worry about traffic enroute in any shape.
It’s only a “completely different situation” because air travel was designed to make autopilot safe.
If we did the same for roads, autonomous driving would outperform humans easily.
Do you think autonomous vehicles are somehow sentient?
Air travel was not designed for autopilot, the structure of air travel is the way it has always been, it’s safe for a dumb autopilot because of the reduced traffic, 3d space and, existing safety measures of separation and flight paths. Basically it’s safe by the fact there’s less to crash In to.
You could if interested look at the following:
Waymo One: 56.7 million miles driven without a human driver. The fleet is now covering 1million miles a month on one of the most challenging road networks in the world. The accident rate is 90% less than that of humans. Jan 2024 - Jan 2025 38 accidents, which 4 were the fault of Waymo One. Finally they are completing around 250k trips a week with paying customers.
I think you will agree that those stats do not reflect your scepticism.
I’ve never said I was sceptical or it does not work, just that your analogy was false equivalence. I just think autonomous cars are pointless, if you don’t want to drive a car, get a human to drive you help a fellow human earn some money.
Great to hear that your are now onboard "
You might want to improve your reading skills. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles.
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking.
But there is no driver, who is going to plug it in. Who is going to help the mother getting the pram in the boot, and just think of the line of cars blocking up tescos 6 taxi drop off pick up spaces. And hope they don't drive off with your garlic bread in the boot to boot.
Have ever seen lawnmowers and hoovers travel back to their charging base?
On the problem with getting in and out in outlier cases, it wouldn't be a stretch to offer a service that supports that need.
Solutions are always available at Fab auto cars. "
So half way through the journey it goes for a charge, who is going to plug it in to get charged, which insurance company would take the risk, how are you going to exchange details if you do crash into one. |
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With this tech will also come new opportunities yet to be exploited. "
What as human batteries to charge all the servers for the AI.
Just another line for the gullible to swallow and to accept losing their livelihood. |
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I've actually been driven by a driverless taxi in San Francisco, bit wierd at first especially when you ask if' hes been busy and he dosen't reply.
Strange stood outside the hotel when it pulls up without a driver,I had to unlock the doors via a app on my phone. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles.
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking.
But there is no driver, who is going to plug it in. Who is going to help the mother getting the pram in the boot, and just think of the line of cars blocking up tescos 6 taxi drop off pick up spaces. And hope they don't drive off with your garlic bread in the boot to boot.
Have ever seen lawnmowers and hoovers travel back to their charging base?
On the problem with getting in and out in outlier cases, it wouldn't be a stretch to offer a service that supports that need.
Solutions are always available at Fab auto cars.
So half way through the journey it goes for a charge, who is going to plug it in to get charged, which insurance company would take the risk, how are you going to exchange details if you do crash into one."
No, the vehicle would not be assigned if it hadn't got the capacity to complete the journey. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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With this tech will also come new opportunities yet to be exploited.
What as human batteries to charge all the servers for the AI.
Just another line for the gullible to swallow and to accept losing their livelihood. "
Or you could look at it from a more proactive stand point, because burying your head in the sand rarely provides the better outcome. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles.
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking.
But there is no driver, who is going to plug it in. Who is going to help the mother getting the pram in the boot, and just think of the line of cars blocking up tescos 6 taxi drop off pick up spaces. And hope they don't drive off with your garlic bread in the boot to boot.
Have ever seen lawnmowers and hoovers travel back to their charging base?
On the problem with getting in and out in outlier cases, it wouldn't be a stretch to offer a service that supports that need.
Solutions are always available at Fab auto cars.
So half way through the journey it goes for a charge, who is going to plug it in to get charged, which insurance company would take the risk, how are you going to exchange details if you do crash into one.
No, the vehicle would not be assigned if it hadn't got the capacity to complete the journey."
I’d figured that part already, but this aspect prompted another thought. If vehicles are basically in service 24/7, how much of that time are they on charge? It’s possible they would spend almost as much time on charge as they would driving, unless the battery swapping idea was in play, for which the technology doesn’t exist. And if it did, there would need to be 3 batteries for each car, and as they are so expensive, there may not be any cost savings at all.
Also, this vision of yours seems to rely on data connectivity to see around corners so cars can go through junctions really fast. How many people would die because of a data drop off, a dead spot, a power loss to a data hub etc?
Just to be clear, i actually love the idea in principle, I just think it’s at least 100 years off and a nuclear war is quite likely before then. |
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With this tech will also come new opportunities yet to be exploited.
What as human batteries to charge all the servers for the AI.
Just another line for the gullible to swallow and to accept losing their livelihood.
Or you could look at it from a more proactive stand point, because burying your head in the sand rarely provides the better outcome. "
Facing reality is not burying your head in the sand. For you to say the new opportunities that will arise, will come anywhere near replacing the numbers of jobs lost is a fallacy.
I know all these things are coming, a friend of mines as bought a robot for his restaurant that collects dishes. So next it will be waiting and bar staff being replaced.
Why not just say tough luck if you can't retrain and get another job, instead of this false hope the politicians and companies peddle and your parroting.
It will be either universal basic income or the hungry rioting. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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With this tech will also come new opportunities yet to be exploited.
What as human batteries to charge all the servers for the AI.
Just another line for the gullible to swallow and to accept losing their livelihood.
Or you could look at it from a more proactive stand point, because burying your head in the sand rarely provides the better outcome.
Facing reality is not burying your head in the sand. For you to say the new opportunities that will arise, will come anywhere near replacing the numbers of jobs lost is a fallacy.
I know all these things are coming, a friend of mines as bought a robot for his restaurant that collects dishes. So next it will be waiting and bar staff being replaced.
Why not just say tough luck if you can't retrain and get another job, instead of this false hope the politicians and companies peddle and your parroting.
It will be either universal basic income or the hungry rioting."
Is this how you really think? |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
I would cancel the ride just as I get in knowing their is no driver to kick me out.
You would then be travelling to the next random person who has hired the vehicle and not your destination.
A few cold pensioners would love a day out in a warm car, just rebook the ride to take you home.
And who is going to charge these vehicles.
They will recharge when needed, just like a taxi fills up when needed. The vehicle with the correct amount of energy will pick you up.
Also, charging will be phased out for battery swapping of under 5 minutes is also my thinking.
But there is no driver, who is going to plug it in. Who is going to help the mother getting the pram in the boot, and just think of the line of cars blocking up tescos 6 taxi drop off pick up spaces. And hope they don't drive off with your garlic bread in the boot to boot.
Have ever seen lawnmowers and hoovers travel back to their charging base?
On the problem with getting in and out in outlier cases, it wouldn't be a stretch to offer a service that supports that need.
Solutions are always available at Fab auto cars.
So half way through the journey it goes for a charge, who is going to plug it in to get charged, which insurance company would take the risk, how are you going to exchange details if you do crash into one.
No, the vehicle would not be assigned if it hadn't got the capacity to complete the journey.
I’d figured that part already, but this aspect prompted another thought. If vehicles are basically in service 24/7, how much of that time are they on charge? It’s possible they would spend almost as much time on charge as they would driving, unless the battery swapping idea was in play, for which the technology doesn’t exist. And if it did, there would need to be 3 batteries for each car, and as they are so expensive, there may not be any cost savings at all.
Also, this vision of yours seems to rely on data connectivity to see around corners so cars can go through junctions really fast. How many people would die because of a data drop off, a dead spot, a power loss to a data hub etc?
Just to be clear, i actually love the idea in principle, I just think it’s at least 100 years off and a nuclear war is quite likely before then. "
Lets take the battery charging problem first. A fleet of cars will be moving around no different to how taxis move around today, and lots of down time during the evening. Bare in mind privately owned cars are idol for over 90% of the day.
Battery swapping does exist today and fast charging is getting faster too.
Finally the connected vehicles and data drop off, that could happen and if it was to happen it would almost always be isolated to a single area. When that happens the cars would slow to todays speeds and use tech they have now lidar and radar to navigate through the blackspot until communications were established. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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I'm finding the different types of resistance to AV's really interesting.
I think what makes it interesting is the people who are opposed to the idea are not the customer of the product, unless once at a certain age, travelling independently you will be forced to use AV within the next 20 years.
This change will come about and when it does, many things will change with it. Car parks will disappear, drive ways will no longer be built, urban design will alter, clean air will be the norm, heavy lorries will not drive past schools, rush hour will be a breeze. I would like that to be in place now.
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work. "
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities "
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data. |
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"I'm finding the different types of resistance to AV's really interesting.
I think what makes it interesting is the people who are opposed to the idea are not the customer of the product, unless once at a certain age, travelling independently you will be forced to use AV within the next 20 years.
This change will come about and when it does, many things will change with it. Car parks will disappear, drive ways will no longer be built, urban design will alter, clean air will be the norm, heavy lorries will not drive past schools, rush hour will be a breeze. I would like that to be in place now.
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A lot of people think AVs will get rid of traffic, but that really depends on everything working perfectly and everyone using them. In reality, we might just end up with a different kind of traffic — like empty driverless cars driving around waiting to pick someone up or looking for somewhere to park. Car parks might get smaller eventually, but cities aren’t ready for that kind of change yet. Updating roads and infrastructure takes a long time and costs a lot, and city planning usually moves way slower than new technology does. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data."
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times. |
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"This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work. "
This argument gets brought up every time something new is invented. When steam power arrived people were saying "but what will all the farriers and whip makers do". When diesel engines took over on the railways people said "but what will all the stokers and oilers do". When computers came along they said "but what will all the computers do" (human beings that did calculations were called 'computers').
There's always a huge fuss about how nanny people will be put out of work, and it's always forgotten as soon as the transition is made. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times."
I agree and the amount of people with road rage screaming at a driverless vehicle that has just pulled into a single track country road that refuses to reverse or pull to the side. |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times."
Stats in terms of accidents caused by AV's do not support your worry.
57 million miles of data and racking up 250K a month is proving to AV's to be a very solid piece of Tech. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times.
Stats in terms of accidents caused by AV's do not support your worry.
57 million miles of data and racking up 250K a month is proving to AV's to be a very solid piece of Tech. "
I would disagree, it depends on how many miles or numbers of those trips done in rural vs urban areas. I don’t want to sound like I am against the idea, on the contrary. However, real life is not designed only around urban, well defined roads. Rural coverage is almost negligible, only some pilot, predefined routes and majority of them are under safety driver supervision.
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times.
Stats in terms of accidents caused by AV's do not support your worry.
57 million miles of data and racking up 250K a month is proving to AV's to be a very solid piece of Tech.
I would disagree, it depends on how many miles or numbers of those trips done in rural vs urban areas. I don’t want to sound like I am against the idea, on the contrary. However, real life is not designed only around urban, well defined roads. Rural coverage is almost negligible, only some pilot, predefined routes and majority of them are under safety driver supervision.
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times.
Stats in terms of accidents caused by AV's do not support your worry.
57 million miles of data and racking up 250K a month is proving to AV's to be a very solid piece of Tech.
I would disagree, it depends on how many miles or numbers of those trips done in rural vs urban areas. I don’t want to sound like I am against the idea, on the contrary. However, real life is not designed only around urban, well defined roads. Rural coverage is almost negligible, only some pilot, predefined routes and majority of them are under safety driver supervision.
The info is out there if you are interested in the data"
It is there, I know because it is my domain, hence my comment with a certain degree of confidence. Tech is great, no question but a rushed adoption might not be the best course of action given that all the requirements for that is not ready |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times.
Stats in terms of accidents caused by AV's do not support your worry.
57 million miles of data and racking up 250K a month is proving to AV's to be a very solid piece of Tech.
I would disagree, it depends on how many miles or numbers of those trips done in rural vs urban areas. I don’t want to sound like I am against the idea, on the contrary. However, real life is not designed only around urban, well defined roads. Rural coverage is almost negligible, only some pilot, predefined routes and majority of them are under safety driver supervision.
The info is out there if you are interested in the data
It is there, I know because it is my domain, hence my comment with a certain degree of confidence. Tech is great, no question but a rushed adoption might not be the best course of action given that all the requirements for that is not ready"
Interesting, in what way?
I too have been in this space, in various M&A's. |
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times.
Stats in terms of accidents caused by AV's do not support your worry.
57 million miles of data and racking up 250K a month is proving to AV's to be a very solid piece of Tech.
I would disagree, it depends on how many miles or numbers of those trips done in rural vs urban areas. I don’t want to sound like I am against the idea, on the contrary. However, real life is not designed only around urban, well defined roads. Rural coverage is almost negligible, only some pilot, predefined routes and majority of them are under safety driver supervision.
The info is out there if you are interested in the data
It is there, I know because it is my domain, hence my comment with a certain degree of confidence. Tech is great, no question but a rushed adoption might not be the best course of action given that all the requirements for that is not ready
Interesting, in what way?
I too have been in this space, in various M&A's. "
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" Battery swapping does exist today and fast charging is getting faster too. "
Completely automated removal, charging and insertion with zero human interaction? How many batteries and vehicles can they handle at any given time?
I love to read more about that if you can point me in the right direction.
"Finally the connected vehicles and data drop off, that could happen and if it was to happen it would almost always be isolated to a single area. When that happens the cars would slow to todays speeds and use tech they have now lidar and radar to navigate through the blackspot until communications were established. "
You missed my point. You said multiple vehicles traveling at high speed into a junction with no traffic lights. They are aware of all vehicles approaching from all directions because of a data feed. As new traffic joins, pulling out from a shop car park for example, a new variable is added and multiple vehicles need to modify road position and speed because of that. But if there’s a data issue at that point in time, there’s no way of knowing what every other vehicle has done and how quickly it did it. Sure you can slow down for 100 to 20, but not instantly.
One final note, never before has new travel technology required the removal of the previous generation to be able to function. Humans are very reluctant to change, even if it’s for the better |
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By *otMe66Man 3 days ago
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" Battery swapping does exist today and fast charging is getting faster too.
Completely automated removal, charging and insertion with zero human interaction? How many batteries and vehicles can they handle at any given time?
I love to read more about that if you can point me in the right direction.
Finally the connected vehicles and data drop off, that could happen and if it was to happen it would almost always be isolated to a single area. When that happens the cars would slow to todays speeds and use tech they have now lidar and radar to navigate through the blackspot until communications were established.
You missed my point. You said multiple vehicles traveling at high speed into a junction with no traffic lights. They are aware of all vehicles approaching from all directions because of a data feed. As new traffic joins, pulling out from a shop car park for example, a new variable is added and multiple vehicles need to modify road position and speed because of that. But if there’s a data issue at that point in time, there’s no way of knowing what every other vehicle has done and how quickly it did it. Sure you can slow down for 100 to 20, but not instantly.
One final note, never before has new travel technology required the removal of the previous generation to be able to function. Humans are very reluctant to change, even if it’s for the better "
The system is not a monitoring system as such. AV is an integrated system that connects each unit allowing it to communicate in realtime. This would not be unique to an AV network. |
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By *otMe66Man 2 days ago
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"Would you get in a taxi that is driven by AI and doesn’t have a driver?
This technology could save insurance companies millions but also put nearly 400,000 people out of work.
Having seen some of the answers to questions generated by various AI sites I'm afraid it'll be a no for now. It's not ready for all eventualities
AI in AV's is not the same as AI in a chatbot.
The AI in AV's are dedicated and specialised models, that work on the lidar, radar and camera for object detection. It isn't sourcing you answers it is calculating actions based on sensor input and learned patterns from millions upon millions of miles of available data.
Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
And while millions of miles of training data helps, it’s still impossible to train for every edge case — weird road layouts, unexpected human behavior, or sensor failures in poor weather. The complexity of real-world driving is what makes AV AI so hard to fully trust at scale — not because it’s not advanced, but because the environment is just too unpredictable at times.
Stats in terms of accidents caused by AV's do not support your worry.
57 million miles of data and racking up 250K a month is proving to AV's to be a very solid piece of Tech.
I would disagree, it depends on how many miles or numbers of those trips done in rural vs urban areas. I don’t want to sound like I am against the idea, on the contrary. However, real life is not designed only around urban, well defined roads. Rural coverage is almost negligible, only some pilot, predefined routes and majority of them are under safety driver supervision.
The info is out there if you are interested in the data
It is there, I know because it is my domain, hence my comment with a certain degree of confidence. Tech is great, no question but a rushed adoption might not be the best course of action given that all the requirements for that is not ready
Interesting, in what way?
I too have been in this space, in various M&A's.
Tech stack"
I would be very interested in understanding the limitations you are calling in out in more detail.
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Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash."
Just to be pedantic... The software behind autonomous driving and a chatbot are not remotely comparable. Elon Musk might be doing some funky things (like using optical only and eschewing LiDAR), but other serious players are developing much more reliable software that is fundamentally different from chatbots. Also, the software layer that deals with ADAS (underpinning/evolving into self drive functions) is tested for pretty much* every edge case, with failsafes.
The technology is, sensibly, being rolled out only into environments where it is stable. Self driving taxis aren't yet navigating rural Uzbekistan, but it's slowly getting there. Even so, the software running it will not be as random as a chatbot hallucinating. |
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With this tech will also come new opportunities yet to be exploited.
What as human batteries to charge all the servers for the AI.
Just another line for the gullible to swallow and to accept losing their livelihood.
Or you could look at it from a more proactive stand point, because burying your head in the sand rarely provides the better outcome.
Facing reality is not burying your head in the sand. For you to say the new opportunities that will arise, will come anywhere near replacing the numbers of jobs lost is a fallacy.
I know all these things are coming, a friend of mines as bought a robot for his restaurant that collects dishes. So next it will be waiting and bar staff being replaced.
Why not just say tough luck if you can't retrain and get another job, instead of this false hope the politicians and companies peddle and your parroting.
It will be either universal basic income or the hungry rioting.
Is this how you really think?"
Am open for you to change my thinking.
If you can give me your vision of the new opportunities that will open up. The number of jobs these opportunities will provide..? |
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As much as I do not want to see any crash and innocents harmed, I do wonder if the companies developing these systems have given any thought to who is responsible if there is a crash ?
And will they be subpoenaed if need be to release their findings of a crash investigation ?
And if those findings were due to glitch in the code, who is responsible ? The company surely ?
I foresee some very challenging and lengthy court cases in the future.
I also foresee some insurance companies massively hiking up the cost of insuring the vehicles (until the dust settles at least).
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" Battery swapping does exist today and fast charging is getting faster too.
Completely automated removal, charging and insertion with zero human interaction? How many batteries and vehicles can they handle at any given time?
I love to read more about that if you can point me in the right direction.
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Check out the Chinese car company named "Nio" and their sub-brand "Onvo". They have automated battery swap that switches battery in 3 minutes. It solves the charging time problem for many. They provide battery as a service and they also take advantage of charging in bulk when there is less load on the grid.
The biggest advantage is longevity if the car as battery is the most expensive part of to change on a typical EV. Making battery swappable by design solves that problem. |
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" Battery swapping does exist today and fast charging is getting faster too.
Completely automated removal, charging and insertion with zero human interaction? How many batteries and vehicles can they handle at any given time?
I love to read more about that if you can point me in the right direction.
Check out the Chinese car company named "Nio" and their sub-brand "Onvo". They have automated battery swap that switches battery in 3 minutes. It solves the charging time problem for many. They provide battery as a service and they also take advantage of charging in bulk when there is less load on the grid.
The biggest advantage is longevity if the car as battery is the most expensive part of to change on a typical EV. Making battery swappable by design solves that problem."
Thank you, I will.
A question this poses is will batteries be universal? So any vehicle could swap at a supermarket forecourt for example. Or will the cubicle have to go to a specific dealer? Because manufacturers are notorious for making parts specific for just their cars and even just one model.
For example, even something as simple as brake pads are specific to the vehicle. One could argue that an Aston Martin need better brake pads than a fiat 500, but in this future world, no vehicle will ever be going faster than any other. |
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" Battery swapping does exist today and fast charging is getting faster too.
Completely automated removal, charging and insertion with zero human interaction? How many batteries and vehicles can they handle at any given time?
I love to read more about that if you can point me in the right direction.
Check out the Chinese car company named "Nio" and their sub-brand "Onvo". They have automated battery swap that switches battery in 3 minutes. It solves the charging time problem for many. They provide battery as a service and they also take advantage of charging in bulk when there is less load on the grid.
The biggest advantage is longevity if the car as battery is the most expensive part of to change on a typical EV. Making battery swappable by design solves that problem.
Thank you, I will.
A question this poses is will batteries be universal? So any vehicle could swap at a supermarket forecourt for example. Or will the cubicle have to go to a specific dealer? Because manufacturers are notorious for making parts specific for just their cars and even just one model.
For example, even something as simple as brake pads are specific to the vehicle. One could argue that an Aston Martin need better brake pads than a fiat 500, but in this future world, no vehicle will ever be going faster than any other. "
While the other companies haven't started using this technology, many have worked with Nio on building the standards. It would be self harming for the companies to follow different standards for basic functioning of the car. Charging standards are mostly the same across most electric cars. So if other car companies decide to adopt this, I would be surprised if they built their own standards.
In China, Nio has built the infrastructure for battery swap all over the country. It's easy for the other companies to use that instead of reinventing the wheel.
But right now, other car companies are still betting that the charging technology would keep improving and reach a point where battery swap would not be necessary. Nio supports both swapping and charging. It would be interesting to see if Nio's bet succeeds. |
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Unlike a chatbot, which can give a wrong answer without serious consequence, AVs don’t have that luxury. A wrong decision in object detection or path planning can mean a crash.
Just to be pedantic... The software behind autonomous driving and a chatbot are not remotely comparable. Elon Musk might be doing some funky things (like using optical only and eschewing LiDAR), but other serious players are developing much more reliable software that is fundamentally different from chatbots. Also, the software layer that deals with ADAS (underpinning/evolving into self drive functions) is tested for pretty much* every edge case, with failsafes.
The technology is, sensibly, being rolled out only into environments where it is stable. Self driving taxis aren't yet navigating rural Uzbekistan, but it's slowly getting there. Even so, the software running it will not be as random as a chatbot hallucinating."
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"I'd prefer people to have employment and so would avoid them. If there's something I've really got to catch and they were the only option, I'd probably accept it but not be happy  "
Usually it will turn out be a matter of pricing. Autonomous cars will be cheaper than the ones driven by the driver. Will you be willing to pay more just to have a driver in the car? I can already see autonomous cars being a better choice for women as they don't have to get into a car with a stranger driving it. |
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"I'd prefer people to have employment and so would avoid them. If there's something I've really got to catch and they were the only option, I'd probably accept it but not be happy
Usually it will turn out be a matter of pricing. Autonomous cars will be cheaper than the ones driven by the driver. Will you be willing to pay more just to have a driver in the car? I can already see autonomous cars being a better choice for women as they don't have to get into a car with a stranger driving it."
Driver wages is not the only component of the taxi fare. What if a vehicle costs twice as much? Or three times? And what about licences for software? And what do you think will happen to the cost of charging vehicles when the government loses taxes from fuel? We’re already seeing vehicle excise duty rates changing for electric vehicles.
In 2040 the cheapest taxi could well be a diesel lorry. |
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Can see a idea for a future Mad Max type movie here.
A few last stand diesel car taxi driving. Using illy produced bio-deosel. Fighting to stay in business, sabotaging automotive electric taxi's and their charge points. The Auto taxi's having defence systems. |
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"Can see a idea for a future Mad Max type movie here.
A few last stand diesel car taxi driving. Using illy produced bio-deosel. Fighting to stay in business, sabotaging automotive electric taxi's and their charge points. The Auto taxi's having defence systems. "
Mad Max or Demolition Man? |
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"I'm finding the different types of resistance to AV's really interesting.
I think what makes it interesting is the people who are opposed to the idea are not the customer of the product, unless once at a certain age, travelling independently you will be forced to use AV within the next 20 years.
This change will come about and when it does, many things will change with it. Car parks will disappear, drive ways will no longer be built, urban design will alter, clean air will be the norm, heavy lorries will not drive past schools, rush hour will be a breeze. I would like that to be in place now.
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Luddite motorists need to start destroying autonomous vehicles sooner rather than later, before a momentum is created which the majority will wish had never become a reality. |
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