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 . Did you think these dangerous people had gone away, as we've not really heard from them, sadly as our child vaccination rates plummet? | |||
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"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! " A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 | |||
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"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! " It's not an opinion on them it's an opinion on their cancer based on no evidence whatsoever. I doubt he has access to their medical records much less them in person | |||
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"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! " The doctor should be free to say whatever. If that whatever demonstrates that they're a danger to the public as a doctor, they should have that privilege removed. | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! The doctor should be free to say whatever. If that whatever demonstrates that they're a danger to the public as a doctor, they should have that privilege removed." There are the famous words of news speak "A danger to the public", remove their rights, Shun him, shun him. | |||
"This was at the Reform party conference wasn't it?" Yes it was…. And this is why we’re need to tackle reform on policy other than immigration Tackle them on health, there lovely plans for the NHS, on education, on the economy | |||
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"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended?" Nothing about being distasteful and everything to do with medical ethics and competence. | |||
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"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? Nothing about being distasteful and everything to do with medical ethics and competence. " 👍👍 | |||
"This was at the Reform party conference wasn't it? Yes it was…. And this is why we’re need to tackle reform on policy other than immigration Tackle them on health, there lovely plans for the NHS, on education, on the economy " It does seem that people are reluctant to do that. | |||
"A Doctor has pronounced that at least one of the royals cancer is because of the Covid vaccine. It's highly insensitive and repulsive to make such announcements for people he's has no medical involvement with. . Did you think these dangerous people had gone away, as we've not really heard from them, sadly as our child vaccination rates plummet? ". We live in a free society and everyone is entitled to express an opinion. How many people accept his opinions. ? He has hardly done any harm. No one is going to act on his opinion. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended?" It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. | |||
"It's irresponsible and pretty offensive. I'm a little surprised that Farage and Tice etc allowed it, thought they were trying to portray themselves as serious politicians now? I'm hoping this might put a few people off them, but I won't hold my breath. " Farage will be making money from it which is always his first priority..he's the Chairman [and founder] of an odd, anti-vax, anti-World Health Organisation called, Action on World Health. Renowned anti-vax crank, Aseem Malhotra is their 'Chief Health Advisor'. Action on World Health say they want to 'replace the WHO'. It's a whole Brexit but for health thing. They even use the same slogans — Take Back Control etc. It's headed up by another shady guy called David Roach who is a lobbyist for the nicotine industry. | |||
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"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. " I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. | |||
" If that whatever demonstrates that they're a danger to the public as a doctor, they should have that privilege removed. There are the famous words of news speak "A danger to the public", remove their rights, Shun him, shun him." If a doctor publicly stated that injecting bleach will cure COVID... You don't think their license should be revoked? | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand." Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. | |||
" If that whatever demonstrates that they're a danger to the public as a doctor, they should have that privilege removed. There are the famous words of news speak "A danger to the public", remove their rights, Shun him, shun him. If a doctor publicly stated that injecting bleach will cure COVID... You don't think their license should be revoked?" I don't know were is this doctor? | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced." Nobody is saying he shouldn't have the right to free speech, they are saying that free speech comes with consequences. the consequence in this case is credibility and questionable professionalism from a person who most would consider to have significant authority in this area. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced." Free speech is a right. But with rights come responsibilities. A doctor suspecting the cause of any illness should gather evidence, commission research, and publish the results in The Lancet. It's called professionalism. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Nobody is saying he shouldn't have the right to free speech, they are saying that free speech comes with consequences. the consequence in this case is credibility and questionable professionalism from a person who most would consider to have significant authority in this area. " If he hadn't said it, you wouldn't be offended. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Free speech is a right. But with rights come responsibilities. A doctor suspecting the cause of any illness should gather evidence, commission research, and publish the results in The Lancet. It's called professionalism." Wrap it up all you wish, you're offended or you wouldn't want him punished. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Free speech is a right. But with rights come responsibilities. A doctor suspecting the cause of any illness should gather evidence, commission research, and publish the results in The Lancet. It's called professionalism. Wrap it up all you wish, you're offended or you wouldn't want him punished." I'm not especially offended tbh, but I might be if I was the King or the PoW. Would you want YOUR medical conditions speculated-on at a political conference? | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Free speech is a right. But with rights come responsibilities. A doctor suspecting the cause of any illness should gather evidence, commission research, and publish the results in The Lancet. It's called professionalism. Wrap it up all you wish, you're offended or you wouldn't want him punished. I'm not especially offended tbh, but I might be if I was the King or the PoW. Would you want YOUR medical conditions speculated-on at a political conference?" I do not support him Farage I mean, do you? Because it was at this reform conference were this info came out? So ask the one who you support, if it is wise to speculate about the king. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Free speech is a right. But with rights come responsibilities. A doctor suspecting the cause of any illness should gather evidence, commission research, and publish the results in The Lancet. It's called professionalism. Wrap it up all you wish, you're offended or you wouldn't want him punished." If your only argument now is “you’re offended” then you haven’t got much of an argument anymore. 🤣 Also; to name yourself after a legendary Star Trek captain in an organisation that’s literally dedicated to scientific truth and exploration is just absolutely peak irony. Lmao. 😂 | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Nobody is saying he shouldn't have the right to free speech, they are saying that free speech comes with consequences. the consequence in this case is credibility and questionable professionalism from a person who most would consider to have significant authority in this area. If he hadn't said it, you wouldn't be offended." I'm not offended. He actually didn't say anything on the subject in his own name, he referred to Professor Angus Dalgleish. However it is reasonable, to assume people will take what he said as correct considering his title and the platform he was on. That comes with accountability. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Free speech is a right. But with rights come responsibilities. A doctor suspecting the cause of any illness should gather evidence, commission research, and publish the results in The Lancet. It's called professionalism. Wrap it up all you wish, you're offended or you wouldn't want him punished. If your only argument now is “you’re offended” then you haven’t got much of an argument anymore. 🤣 Also; to name yourself after a legendary Star Trek captain in an organisation that’s literally dedicated to scientific truth and exploration is just absolutely peak irony. Lmao. 😂" Yes and you missed out the right to freedom of speech and expression for all regardless of race. When one falls into posting expressive comments about a person they only know through freedom of speech and expression, and the other puts said person down says a lot for that person. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Nobody is saying he shouldn't have the right to free speech, they are saying that free speech comes with consequences. the consequence in this case is credibility and questionable professionalism from a person who most would consider to have significant authority in this area. If he hadn't said it, you wouldn't be offended. I'm not offended. He actually didn't say anything on the subject in his own name, he referred to Professor Angus Dalgleish. However it is reasonable, to assume people will take what he said as correct considering his title and the platform he was on. That comes with accountability." You are parroting a well known narrative which is well has endangered free speech and expression. He the doctor in question im being told now is parroting another doctors view? so you can parrot what is being said that you agree with, but If you do not agree shun them it seems. The original person who started this claim is the person responsible and if you wish be held accountable, by striking her off, made to face some sort of panel, ruining her life for comments made. But its ok for you, remember everything you wish for applies to you. | |||
"It's an echo of Trump and RFK spouting unproven bonkers claims." Aseem Malhotra is in fact the Chief Medical Adviser of the Make America Healthy Again group founded by RFK. | |||
"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Nobody is saying he shouldn't have the right to free speech, they are saying that free speech comes with consequences. the consequence in this case is credibility and questionable professionalism from a person who most would consider to have significant authority in this area. If he hadn't said it, you wouldn't be offended. I'm not offended. He actually didn't say anything on the subject in his own name, he referred to Professor Angus Dalgleish. However it is reasonable, to assume people will take what he said as correct considering his title and the platform he was on. That comes with accountability. You are parroting a well known narrative which is well has endangered free speech and expression. He the doctor in question im being told now is parroting another doctors view? so you can parrot what is being said that you agree with, but If you do not agree shun them it seems. The original person who started this claim is the person responsible and if you wish be held accountable, by striking her off, made to face some sort of panel, ruining her life for comments made. But its ok for you, remember everything you wish for applies to you. " You’re jumping from one thing to another. I’ve been clear, the doctor has every right to say what he feels is necessary, but he must also be accountable for what he says as a professional. If your car broke down and a mechanic told you that you needed a new engine when it was only a spark plug you needed, you would hardly accept that as good professional service. It’s the same principle, authority brings responsibility. | |||
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"For having an opinion that some find distasteful he should be struck off. Could this be a threat to free speech? If so from who the doctor or those he offended? It’s not a matter of free speech, it’s a matter of professional and medical ethics. If he wants to grift and spout nonsense then resign as a doctor and stop practising. We’ve seen one death already of a woman because her mother believed the sort of nonsense these people spout and thought coffee enema’s would cure her daughters cancer. I agree. Highly unprofessional to make uninformed speculation on patients he's not involved with. He risks being struck off, or at the very least a reprimand. Yes shun him, for saying things against the narrative. As for professional ethics who here is an expert. Who here is a doctor. Who here wants free speech. Who wants to silence those who offend them? Because the very first casualty is yourselves, you can't talk about the boats and sending migrants to camps anymore, can't call for keeping communities safe anymore, you might offend someone and then be silenced. Nobody is saying he shouldn't have the right to free speech, they are saying that free speech comes with consequences. the consequence in this case is credibility and questionable professionalism from a person who most would consider to have significant authority in this area. If he hadn't said it, you wouldn't be offended. I'm not offended. He actually didn't say anything on the subject in his own name, he referred to Professor Angus Dalgleish. However it is reasonable, to assume people will take what he said as correct considering his title and the platform he was on. That comes with accountability. You are parroting a well known narrative which is well has endangered free speech and expression. He the doctor in question im being told now is parroting another doctors view? so you can parrot what is being said that you agree with, but If you do not agree shun them it seems. The original person who started this claim is the person responsible and if you wish be held accountable, by striking her off, made to face some sort of panel, ruining her life for comments made. But its ok for you, remember everything you wish for applies to you. You’re jumping from one thing to another. I’ve been clear, the doctor has every right to say what he feels is necessary, but he must also be accountable for what he says as a professional. If your car broke down and a mechanic told you that you needed a new engine when it was only a spark plug you needed, you would hardly accept that as good professional service. It’s the same principle, authority brings responsibility." I have also been clear free speech is ok with all here as long as it meets a certain standard especially if the commentator is a professional, and those holding court are not. And when the commentator are as well followed within a certain group then that group will follow the leader. | |||
"He's entirely entitled to his opinion. If my child was ill would Imtrusr his diagnosis or suggested treatment ? I'd struggle to find sympathy if he was struck off and if he's a GP I'd certainly be changing to another practice if he wasn't. " Would you not burn him at the stake, after a through lashing. | |||
"He's entirely entitled to his opinion. If my child was ill would Imtrusr his diagnosis or suggested treatment ? I'd struggle to find sympathy if he was struck off and if he's a GP I'd certainly be changing to another practice if he wasn't. " I will put it in another way. He is entitled to his (but it wasn't his opinion he was parroting an opinion of another, but he still should be shunned and take accountability for another). So my question is if he is entitled to his opinion which wasn't his opinion in the first place, why would you leave his Pratice? Is it because you took the vax? | |||
"A Doctor has pronounced that at least one of the royals cancer is because of the Covid vaccine. It's highly insensitive and repulsive to make such announcements for people he's has no medical involvement with. . Did you think these dangerous people had gone away, as we've not really heard from them, sadly as our child vaccination rates plummet? . We live in a free society and everyone is entitled to express an opinion. How many people accept his opinions. ? He has hardly done any harm. No one is going to act on his opinion. "We do live in a free country. However, he has taken an oath and never treated the King nor Kate. He's broken his oath. And he's lied. He should be struck off. | |||
"A Doctor has pronounced that at least one of the royals cancer is because of the Covid vaccine. It's highly insensitive and repulsive to make such announcements for people he's has no medical involvement with. . Did you think these dangerous people had gone away, as we've not really heard from them, sadly as our child vaccination rates plummet? . We live in a free society and everyone is entitled to express an opinion. How many people accept his opinions. ? He has hardly done any harm. No one is going to act on his opinion.
We do live in a free country.
However, he has taken an oath and never treated the King nor Kate.
He's broken his oath.
And he's lied.
He should be struck off.
"How has he broken his oath? How did he lie? You were informed as I was that he was using an opinion or comment of another. But he lied and should be struck off. I will leave you to echo in your chamber. | |||
"This was at the Reform party conference wasn't it? Yes it was…. And this is why we’re need to tackle reform on policy other than immigration Tackle them on health, there lovely plans for the NHS, on education, on the economy It does seem that people are reluctant to do that. " I wonder why that is….. If they claim to be ready for government then they should be challenged… they get off lightly | |||
"This was at the Reform party conference wasn't it? Yes it was…. And this is why we’re need to tackle reform on policy other than immigration Tackle them on health, there lovely plans for the NHS, on education, on the economy It does seem that people are reluctant to do that. I wonder why that is….. If they claim to be ready for government then they should be challenged… they get off lightly " They do and they get far more exposure than the number of mps warrants. If I was so inclined I'd think there was undue influence at work | |||
"This was at the Reform party conference wasn't it? Yes it was…. And this is why we’re need to tackle reform on policy other than immigration Tackle them on health, there lovely plans for the NHS, on education, on the economy It does seem that people are reluctant to do that. I wonder why that is….. If they claim to be ready for government then they should be challenged… they get off lightly " I genuinely hope that Reform don’t get in. That said I find it strange that people are fixating on their lack of policies years out from the election. It is a genuine shame that Labour weren’t subject to the same focus on their lack of meaningful policies when the Tories were making a complete disaster of their final years. If Labour had been _properly_ questioned then maybe they wouldn’t have come into government so woefully unprepared and Reform wouldn’t have been able to get a foothold. | |||
"This was at the Reform party conference wasn't it? Yes it was…. And this is why we’re need to tackle reform on policy other than immigration Tackle them on health, there lovely plans for the NHS, on education, on the economy It does seem that people are reluctant to do that. I wonder why that is….. If they claim to be ready for government then they should be challenged… they get off lightly I genuinely hope that Reform don’t get in. That said I find it strange that people are fixating on their lack of policies years out from the election. It is a genuine shame that Labour weren’t subject to the same focus on their lack of meaningful policies when the Tories were making a complete disaster of their final years. If Labour had been _properly_ questioned then maybe they wouldn’t have come into government so woefully unprepared and Reform wouldn’t have been able to get a foothold." I agree with all you wrote except one, I do not think any party would give away their secrets (I wonder do reform have secrets, more skeletons), only before or a little after an election is called. And I suppose they do that so other parties cannot take the win by stealing other policies. Not that Reform have any. | |||
"He's entirely entitled to his opinion. If my child was ill would Imtrusr his diagnosis or suggested treatment ? I'd struggle to find sympathy if he was struck off and if he's a GP I'd certainly be changing to another practice if he wasn't. I will put it in another way. He is entitled to his (but it wasn't his opinion he was parroting an opinion of another, but he still should be shunned and take accountability for another). So my question is if he is entitled to his opinion which wasn't his opinion in the first place, why would you leave his Pratice? Is it because you took the vax?" I'll keep it simple for you. He's entitled to his opinion I don't have to believe it I dont give a fuck about your opinions. | |||
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"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients." Who was forced to have the vaccine? | |||
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"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? " Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. " So, some people choose to get vaccinated for economic reasons, rather than ethical? | |||
"It's sad that this has been connected to politics but perhaps that was the objective from him or backers. I don't know this alleged Doctor. Someone alleged he pays tax here. But it seems fully unethical to try to diagnose someone who you've never examined, don't have their medical notes, etc and to do so publicly and for conditions that are complex. Charlatan comes to mind. " Exactly. No doctor worth his/her salt will discuss their own patient's case in public much less the case of another doctor. Medical professionals are bound by the ethics of patient confidentiality. I expect this doctor to be getting a reprimand off both his employer and professional body. | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. " You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. " In the same way that someone who chose to become a Kapo in a concentration camp was “making a choice”. “Man the gas chambers and take your chances or be shot now. It’s not me forcing you to do anything. You are making a choice”. | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. In the same way that someone who chose to become a Kapo in a concentration camp was “making a choice”. “Man the gas chambers and take your chances or be shot now. It’s not me forcing you to do anything. You are making a choice”." Hardly the same comparison, as you well know. | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. In the same way that someone who chose to become a Kapo in a concentration camp was “making a choice”. “Man the gas chambers and take your chances or be shot now. It’s not me forcing you to do anything. You are making a choice”." No, not in the same way at all, nobody was threatened with being shot if they didn’t take it, I know plenty who chose not too, people had complete freedom to choose whether to take the vaccine, but if you want to keep deluding yourself feel free to carry on🤷🏻♂️ | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. In the same way that someone who chose to become a Kapo in a concentration camp was “making a choice”. “Man the gas chambers and take your chances or be shot now. It’s not me forcing you to do anything. You are making a choice”. No, not in the same way at all, nobody was threatened with being shot if they didn’t take it, I know plenty who chose not too, people had complete freedom to choose whether to take the vaccine, but if you want to keep deluding yourself feel free to carry on🤷🏻♂️" By all means if you think people should have been forced to take the Covid vaccine just be honest with yourself and others and say so. It’s an intellectually honest position to take: “We can’t trust the peasants to do the right thing just force them to take it. A few will suffer the consequences, we have no data on which of them will be harmed or die but it’s a small number so it’s a price worth someone else paying. Tell them to take it or they can’t go on holiday and won’t be able to work”. That at least is an honest if unsavoury position. If it helps you to understand the vacuity of your argument here is what a Covid vaccine programme based on free choice and usual ethical standards would look like. The government would say that in its opinion, people should take the vaccine if not for their own benefit then for the benefit of those around them. The overwhelming majority of people do not need to take the vaccine and are not in danger, but the government would like the citizenry to think of others. However there are risks for everyone, and ultimately each must decide for themselves based on their own medical and social circumstances and in consultation with their doctor. It is a matter of choice and there are no social consequences regardless of what choice each of you makes. We would encourage everyone to think of others in the decision they make. That’s what “free choice” looks like. | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. In the same way that someone who chose to become a Kapo in a concentration camp was “making a choice”. “Man the gas chambers and take your chances or be shot now. It’s not me forcing you to do anything. You are making a choice”. No, not in the same way at all, nobody was threatened with being shot if they didn’t take it, I know plenty who chose not too, people had complete freedom to choose whether to take the vaccine, but if you want to keep deluding yourself feel free to carry on🤷🏻♂️ By all means if you think people should have been forced to take the Covid vaccine just be honest with yourself and others and say so. It’s an intellectually honest position to take: “We can’t trust the peasants to do the right thing just force them to take it. A few will suffer the consequences, we have no data on which of them will be harmed or die but it’s a small number so it’s a price worth someone else paying. Tell them to take it or they can’t go on holiday and won’t be able to work”. That at least is an honest if unsavoury position. If it helps you to understand the vacuity of your argument here is what a Covid vaccine programme based on free choice and usual ethical standards would look like. The government would say that in its opinion, people should take the vaccine if not for their own benefit then for the benefit of those around them. The overwhelming majority of people do not need to take the vaccine and are not in danger, but the government would like the citizenry to think of others. However there are risks for everyone, and ultimately each must decide for themselves based on their own medical and social circumstances and in consultation with their doctor. It is a matter of choice and there are no social consequences regardless of what choice each of you makes. We would encourage everyone to think of others in the decision they make. That’s what “free choice” looks like." Did you opt out of having the vaccine? | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. In the same way that someone who chose to become a Kapo in a concentration camp was “making a choice”. “Man the gas chambers and take your chances or be shot now. It’s not me forcing you to do anything. You are making a choice”. No, not in the same way at all, nobody was threatened with being shot if they didn’t take it, I know plenty who chose not too, people had complete freedom to choose whether to take the vaccine, but if you want to keep deluding yourself feel free to carry on🤷🏻♂️ By all means if you think people should have been forced to take the Covid vaccine just be honest with yourself and others and say so. It’s an intellectually honest position to take: “We can’t trust the peasants to do the right thing just force them to take it. A few will suffer the consequences, we have no data on which of them will be harmed or die but it’s a small number so it’s a price worth someone else paying. Tell them to take it or they can’t go on holiday and won’t be able to work”. That at least is an honest if unsavoury position. If it helps you to understand the vacuity of your argument here is what a Covid vaccine programme based on free choice and usual ethical standards would look like. The government would say that in its opinion, people should take the vaccine if not for their own benefit then for the benefit of those around them. The overwhelming majority of people do not need to take the vaccine and are not in danger, but the government would like the citizenry to think of others. However there are risks for everyone, and ultimately each must decide for themselves based on their own medical and social circumstances and in consultation with their doctor. It is a matter of choice and there are no social consequences regardless of what choice each of you makes. We would encourage everyone to think of others in the decision they make. That’s what “free choice” looks like." If you can read my comment and turn that into what you have written then I genuinely believe you are unhinged mentally. You are so desperate to convince yourself you were forced to take a vaccine you are completely blind to anything that is written, your responses are now becoming comical but if it keeps you happy, crack on. | |||
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"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷" The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. " Are you talking about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who injected people with chemicals while having no idea what the risks were, just for a few quid extra? | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. Are you talking about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who injected people with chemicals while having no idea what the risks were, just for a few quid extra?" All medical professionals understand there is a risk vs benefits trade-off with medicines and vaccines. It's a fallacy to think any medicine is risk free. Basically, "Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice" | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. Are you talking about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who injected people with chemicals while having no idea what the risks were, just for a few quid extra?" Did you get vaccinated or not? | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. Are you talking about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who injected people with chemicals while having no idea what the risks were, just for a few quid extra? Did you get vaccinated or not? " You should be “safe”. I don’t think you can catch COVID off the internet. | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. Are you talking about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who injected people with chemicals while having no idea what the risks were, just for a few quid extra? Did you get vaccinated or not? You should be “safe”. I don’t think you can catch COVID off the internet." Try answering a direct question with an unequivocal answer. | |||
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"Did you get vaccinated or not?" It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous. | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. Are you talking about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who injected people with chemicals while having no idea what the risks were, just for a few quid extra?" People drink alcohol and they know the damage it does, they smoke and they know the damage, they take recreational drugs and they know the damage, they engage in dangerous sports and they know the damage. Life is full of risks, and some very significant ones relate to communicable diseases. All medicines that are prescribed are passed after stringent testing (except recreational drugs) and the medical profession, like their patients, rely on that testing. The vast majority of medics are not motivated, like drug dealers, drinks companies and extreme sports companies, by money. However, not all humans are the same. As a consequence you can find on the shelves of any supermarket certain food substances** that will kill certain people. We all know this and yet we do not stop it. In a similar manner some people may have an adverse reaction to a vaccination. But, like those killed by food stuffs**, they are the extreme exception not the rule. Vaccinations work for the vast majority. Whilst I feel for the 1:100,000 who has an adverse reaction we should not seek to frighten the other 99,999 into not having what will save them. ** peanuts | |||
"Did you get vaccinated or not? It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous." If you are referring to me what have I posted that is “anti-vax”? I simply argue for informed and free choice, which is customary for vaccinations and in line with usual ethical principles. I am actually very pro-vaccination but despair at the harm that has been done to vaccination programmes by the authoritarian and unethical Covid response. I will be offered a flu vaccine this year. I will turn it down as for my medical circumstances I adjudge it to be unnecessary. Nobody will pester me about it. They will accept my choice. I won’t be threatened with: Not being allowed into the office and losing my job Not being allowed to leave the country Not being allowed to socialise in pubs, restaurants and other social settings etc. My position is not “anti-vax” in the slightest. It is in accordance with what would have been standard medical ethics up to March 2020. Unfortunately the “medical profession” has a long history of engagement with authoritarian regimes, particularly when money is part of the equation. | |||
"Did you get vaccinated or not? It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous." I remember the anti seatbelt campaigners. Apparently we were going to be far more seriously injured by the seat belt than by bashing our head against the windscreen or being thrown through it. 🤷♀️ | |||
"Did you get vaccinated or not? It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous. I remember the anti seatbelt campaigners. Apparently we were going to be far more seriously injured by the seat belt than by bashing our head against the windscreen or being thrown through it. 🤷♀️" Me too, hung upside down in a burning car! | |||
"Bearing in mind this doctor has paid taxes which in turn have paid for both the king and Kate’s treatment and standard of living they enjoy and last time I looked we lived in a free country albeit the far right work hard to lie to people that we don’t …. I’d say the doctor can air their opinion … it might ne true it might be bullshit but it’s an opinion on public figures .. whoops never heard those before on public figures !! A doctor, however, has an oath to respect, and shouldn't be pronouncing on people he's never met, nor treated.🥷 The Hippocratic Oath, which is sadly not now standard throughout the UK, commits the doctor to "do no harm". Ever since Edward Jenner in 1796 administrated the first vaccination millions, if not Billions, of people have been saved from death or disfigurement by vaccination. Conspiracy theorists, condemning the practice based on fabricated "evidence" are now reintroducing diseases that were once eradicated. Children and adults are consequently dying from preventable diseases. I struggle to see how any right minded person can gain satisfaction from harming other innocent people that are unknown to them. Are you talking about doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who injected people with chemicals while having no idea what the risks were, just for a few quid extra? Did you get vaccinated or not? You should be “safe”. I don’t think you can catch COVID off the internet." They might be working on it  | |||
"Did you get vaccinated or not? It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous. I remember the anti seatbelt campaigners. Apparently we were going to be far more seriously injured by the seat belt than by bashing our head against the windscreen or being thrown through it. 🤷♀️ Me too, hung upside down in a burning car! "Yes because if you weren't wearing a seat belt you'd be completely uninjured, conscious and able to calmly make your escape. Then there was the ' it'll harm unborn babies' crew | |||
"Did you get vaccinated or not? It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous. I remember the anti seatbelt campaigners. Apparently we were going to be far more seriously injured by the seat belt than by bashing our head against the windscreen or being thrown through it. 🤷♀️ Me too, hung upside down in a burning car!
Yes because if you weren't wearing a seat belt you'd be completely uninjured, conscious and able to calmly make your escape. Then there was the ' it'll harm unborn babies' crew"Amazing! Racing drivers did not wear seat belts either. Each year several drivers died. It was the old story of getting out of the car. 
Interestingly, the Volvo man who invented the 3 point seat belt decided not to patent it so that it could be used universally to save lives. | |||
"Did you get vaccinated or not? It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous. I remember the anti seatbelt campaigners. Apparently we were going to be far more seriously injured by the seat belt than by bashing our head against the windscreen or being thrown through it. 🤷♀️ Me too, hung upside down in a burning car!
Yes because if you weren't wearing a seat belt you'd be completely uninjured, conscious and able to calmly make your escape. Then there was the ' it'll harm unborn babies' crew
Amazing! Racing drivers did not wear seat belts either. Each year several drivers died. It was the old story of getting out of the car.
Interestingly, the Volvo man who invented the 3 point seat belt decided not to patent it so that it could be used universally to save lives. "A true philanthropist. When I was 17 an acquaintance lost his sight after going through a car windscreen. Complete blindness in a nanosecond. Imagine the shock not to mention anything else. | |||
"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. " I had the first vaccine, but chose not to take the second. As a business owner I was backed into a corner, take it, or lose new contracts. With no known end to lockdown and no support through furlough, I could not keep the business going without it. Was it forced? Not literally, but the rules left no real choice if I wanted to work. Looking back, I think most of the world got it wrong, lockdowns and restrictions should have been targeted at the vulnerable. On the thread topic, a doctor making unfounded connections between x and y is wrong. But I support choice, whether people had every vaccine, or none at all. It made no difference to me either way. | |||
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"People have short memories, what about the healthy young people dying in ICUs up and down the country mid 2020 Or was that just staged for the media 🙄" More hysterical nonsense. Mortality rates for children 0-17: 1 per million Mortality rates for adults 18-29: 14 deaths per million. Deaths usually among those with comorbidities or obesity issues. | |||
"People have short memories, what about the healthy young people dying in ICUs up and down the country mid 2020 Or was that just staged for the media 🙄 More hysterical nonsense. Mortality rates for children 0-17: 1 per million Mortality rates for adults 18-29: 14 deaths per million. Deaths usually among those with comorbidities or obesity issues. " How were those deaths distributed pre and post vaccine roll out? Statistics just stayed without context aren't terribly useful | |||
"But I support choice, whether people had every vaccine, or none at all. It made no difference to me either way." Is that really true or are you just benefiting from other people making wiser choices than you? There are fortunately still enough sensible people about that measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), hepatitis B, Meningococcal group B. pneumococcal, human papillomavirus, influenza, shingles and respiratory syncytial virus aren't too prevalent. But people like Aseem Malhotra, RFK and even worse Andrew Wakefield are trying ther hardest to spread ignorance. | |||
"A Doctor has pronounced that at least one of the royals cancer is because of the Covid vaccine. It's highly insensitive and repulsive to make such announcements for people he's has no medical involvement with. . Did you think these dangerous people had gone away, as we've not really heard from them, sadly as our child vaccination rates plummet? "I take it this doctor has had a full breakdown of their diagnosis and treatment plan. Had access to the individuals test, bloodworks, biopsies etc and been able to consult with fellow professionals involved in their individual care and actually spoken, examined and consulted with the patient involved. From these in depth examinations and consultations, their conclusions would then be discussed with other health care consultants and then conclusions reached. Or I could be that the patient succumbed to Covid and therefore it's the reason for being diagnosed with cancer. Bit like 2 plus 2 equals 7. But, to be fair, most cancers have a driver and in some a virus is the driver but I've not experienced Covid as a driver in most virus driven cancers but would be interested in the evidence. | |||
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"But I support choice, whether people had every vaccine, or none at all. It made no difference to me either way. Is that really true or are you just benefiting from other people making wiser choices than you? There are fortunately still enough sensible people about that measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), hepatitis B, Meningococcal group B. pneumococcal, human papillomavirus, influenza, shingles and respiratory syncytial virus aren't too prevalent. But people like Aseem Malhotra, RFK and even worse Andrew Wakefield are trying ther hardest to spread ignorance. " You are disingenuous how you slice up comments, to quote... Going back to my actual comment and its reference the "covid vaccine".. How was "I" benefitting from people taking or not taking a covid vaccine? I'm not talking about any other vaccine here, so please keep it on topic. | |||
"People have short memories, what about the healthy young people dying in ICUs up and down the country mid 2020 Or was that just staged for the media 🙄 More hysterical nonsense. Mortality rates for children 0-17: 1 per million Mortality rates for adults 18-29: 14 deaths per million. Deaths usually among those with comorbidities or obesity issues. How were those deaths distributed pre and post vaccine roll out? Statistics just stayed without context aren't terribly useful " I don't worry about these things, as the death rate throughout history has remained perfectly stable at one per person. | |||
"You are disingenuous how you slice up comments, to quote... Going back to my actual comment and its reference the "covid vaccine".. How was "I" benefitting from people taking or not taking a covid vaccine? I'm not talking about any other vaccine here, so please keep it on topic." You said you felt forced against your will to have the first covid vaccine but then declined others. You will have benefited from that first jab but you will also have benefited from other people having all their covid vaccinations (and other vaccinations) because this made it less likely that you would become ill. Unless your argument is that vaccinations have nothing other than negative effects. | |||
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"You are disingenuous how you slice up comments, to quote... Going back to my actual comment and its reference the "covid vaccine".. How was "I" benefitting from people taking or not taking a covid vaccine? I'm not talking about any other vaccine here, so please keep it on topic. You said you felt forced against your will to have the first covid vaccine but then declined others. You will have benefited from that first jab but you will also have benefited from other people having all their covid vaccinations (and other vaccinations) because this made it less likely that you would become ill. Unless your argument is that vaccinations have nothing other than negative effects. " The COVID vaccine was never designed to provide immunity, it was designed to reduce symptoms, prevent severe illness and reduce hospitals admissions. That’s why whether someone else took it or not made no real difference to my own likelihood of catching COVID, only to theirs in terms of how ill they became. Having said that, the reduced symptoms the vaccine provided allowed people to continue to go about their daily lives, and is thought to have played a considerable role in the ongoing spread of the virus.... As I mentioned, I'm not talking about other vaccines and you still try and shoehorn that in. Many people considered the covid vaccine rushed and that is why they didn't take it. Other vaccines have had a lot longer in the field and are evidenced based on outcomes, that is not what this is about.... We should also return to the topic, ref the doctor who claimed royal family cancer was likely caused by the covid vaccine. | |||
"Did you get vaccinated or not? It would be also interesting to hear whether the anti-vax poster ever wore a mask during covid. But if he doesn't want to anwer then we should be fine with his desire for privacy. The push back against vaccination and masks reminds me of those who wanted smoking inside pubs, restaurants, offices, puplic transport etc to be allowed. Also going way back, to those who thought that seatbelts were dangerous. I remember the anti seatbelt campaigners. Apparently we were going to be far more seriously injured by the seat belt than by bashing our head against the windscreen or being thrown through it. 🤷♀️ Me too, hung upside down in a burning car!
Yes because if you weren't wearing a seat belt you'd be completely uninjured, conscious and able to calmly make your escape. Then there was the ' it'll harm unborn babies' crew
Amazing! Racing drivers did not wear seat belts either. Each year several drivers died. It was the old story of getting out of the car.
Interestingly, the Volvo man who invented the 3 point seat belt decided not to patent it so that it could be used universally to save lives. "Back when open racing cars did not use seat belts the single biggest cause of death was being burnt alive while trapped in the wreckage, so they preferred to be thrown out and take their chances with what ever injuries they sustained from that. | |||
"People have short memories, what about the healthy young people dying in ICUs up and down the country mid 2020 Or was that just staged for the media 🙄 More hysterical nonsense. Mortality rates for children 0-17: 1 per million Mortality rates for adults 18-29: 14 deaths per million. Deaths usually among those with comorbidities or obesity issues. " Lol | |||
"The COVID vaccine was never designed to provide immunity, it was designed to reduce symptoms, prevent severe illness and reduce hospitals admissions. That’s why whether someone else took it or not made no real difference to my own likelihood of catching COVID, only to theirs in terms of how ill they became. Having said that, the reduced symptoms the vaccine provided allowed people to continue to go about their daily lives, and is thought to have played a considerable role in the ongoing spread of the virus...." Let's take your claim that covid vaccinations caused the R rate to increase rather than decrease as being true for the sake of argument. Wouldn't other people being vaccinated and therefore not overloading the healthcare system still increase your chance of survival if you became sympomatic? "We should also return to the topic, ref the doctor who claimed royal family cancer was likely caused by the covid vaccine." The points are related. Aseem Malhotra and indirectly Reform are promoting the idea that vaccination is a bad thing. | |||
"“The autism epidemic has now reached a scale unprecedented in human history because it affects the young,” said HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. “The risks and costs of this crisis are a thousand times more threatening to our country than COVID-19. Autism is preventable and it is unforgivable that we have not yet identified the underlying causes. We should have had these answers 20 years ago.”" In April this year RFK said “we expect to begin to have answers by September.” So we shouldn't have long to wait. This isn't science. - he's saying that autism is preventable yet the underlying causes are unknown. If you don't know the underlying causes then how do you know it's preventable? Forget concepts like falsifiability, MAHA is just going to be looking for data to confirm the conspiracy theories they already believe to be true. | |||
"627 people under the age of 30 died from covid in the UK during the main 2020-22 period. While this was far less than in older age groups, describing... "People have short memories, what about the healthy young people dying in ICUs up and down the country mid 2020" ...as "hysterical nonsense" is hysterical nonsense." So about 200 a year. And what around 5,000 deaths a year in the under 30 age group generally from all causes? Hysterical nonsense is exactly what it is. | |||
"So about 200 a year. And what around 5,000 deaths a year in the under 30 age group generally from all causes? Hysterical nonsense is exactly what it is." How many young people would have to die before you'd consider it not hysterical nonsense? | |||
"627 people under the age of 30 died from covid in the UK during the main 2020-22 period. While this was far less than in older age groups, describing... "People have short memories, what about the healthy young people dying in ICUs up and down the country mid 2020" ...as "hysterical nonsense" is hysterical nonsense. So about 200 a year. And what around 5,000 deaths a year in the under 30 age group generally from all causes? Hysterical nonsense is exactly what it is." There is no point trying to explain the effect of lockdowns and vaccinations to someone who has no understanding of the principle. Hysteria lol | |||
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"So about 200 a year. And what around 5,000 deaths a year in the under 30 age group generally from all causes? Hysterical nonsense is exactly what it is. How many young people would have to die before you'd consider it not hysterical nonsense?" I’m more concerned about the 5000 dying every year than a tiny percentage increase. Aren’t you? | |||
"The COVID vaccine was never designed to provide immunity, it was designed to reduce symptoms, prevent severe illness and reduce hospitals admissions. That’s why whether someone else took it or not made no real difference to my own likelihood of catching COVID, only to theirs in terms of how ill they became. Having said that, the reduced symptoms the vaccine provided allowed people to continue to go about their daily lives, and is thought to have played a considerable role in the ongoing spread of the virus.... Let's take your claim that covid vaccinations caused the R rate to increase rather than decrease as being true for the sake of argument. Wouldn't other people being vaccinated and therefore not overloading the healthcare system still increase your chance of survival if you became sympomatic? We should also return to the topic, ref the doctor who claimed royal family cancer was likely caused by the covid vaccine. The points are related. Aseem Malhotra and indirectly Reform are promoting the idea that vaccination is a bad thing." It wasn't my claim... Lets put this to bed, as you are going in circles here trying to argue something I have not said.... The R rate is not what I said, I said spread. The reduced effect of symptoms is thought to have increased the spread. People were still going to work, or going out so the spread became wider in those places. Lastly, Reform have distanced themselves from this doctor, but they did provide him a platform, however they are not as you say indirectly promoting that vaccination is a bad thing. You have also conveniently shoehorned in all vaccinations again with your statement. I will remind you again, I'm not talking about all vaccines | |||
"I’m more concerned about the 5000 dying every year than a tiny percentage increase. Aren’t you?" Ah, the pathetic thousands are dying so what's a few hundred more argument. Self-harm and road traffic accidents are I believe the leading causes of death amongst young people. These are two things I am very concerned about. Perhaps we can discuss them on another thread. | |||
"The R rate is not what I said, I said spread. The reduced effect of symptoms is thought to have increased the spread. People were still going to work, or going out so the spread became wider in those places." What do you mean by "spread"? There's the R rate which is the reproduction rate so if R is 1.2 it means that 10 people will infect 12 people. The other measure is % growth which is the number of new infections per unit time. R and growth are just ways of looking at the spreading of infection. "Lastly, Reform have distanced themselves from this doctor, but they did provide him a platform, however they are not as you say indirectly promoting that vaccination is a bad thing." Right, so it's all just a coincidence and Reform didn't know this guy's opinions. "You have also conveniently shoehorned in all vaccinations again with your statement. I will remind you again, I'm not talking about all vaccines" My posts aren't exclusively directed at you. I'm making a general point that this doctor is deeply involved in the anti-vax movement - him pushing the notion that the covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family at a Reform party conference is just one example of this. | |||
"The R rate is not what I said, I said spread. The reduced effect of symptoms is thought to have increased the spread. People were still going to work, or going out so the spread became wider in those places. What do you mean by "spread"? There's the R rate which is the reproduction rate so if R is 1.2 it means that 10 people will infect 12 people. The other measure is % growth which is the number of new infections per unit time. R and growth are just ways of looking at the spreading of infection. Lastly, Reform have distanced themselves from this doctor, but they did provide him a platform, however they are not as you say indirectly promoting that vaccination is a bad thing. Right, so it's all just a coincidence and Reform didn't know this guy's opinions. You have also conveniently shoehorned in all vaccinations again with your statement. I will remind you again, I'm not talking about all vaccines My posts aren't exclusively directed at you. I'm making a general point that this doctor is deeply involved in the anti-vax movement - him pushing the notion that the covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family at a Reform party conference is just one example of this. " R rate is the average number of people infected from 1 person. Spread is the where, the who and the pattern. Hence people not having hard symptoms were able to spread it more easily, they carried on mixing. | |||
"R rate is the average number of people infected from 1 person. Spread is the where, the who and the pattern. Hence people not having hard symptoms were able to spread it more easily, they carried on mixing." So, as I expected, your notion of spread - as being "the where, the who and the pattern" is yet another one of your woolly concepts. As you have argued that "Looking back, I think most of the world got it wrong, lockdowns and restrictions should have been targeted at the vulnerable" and you say you were travelling extensively, it seems possible that you might have been spreading covid around to a greater degree than those who perhaps took the issue more seriously. | |||
"R rate is the average number of people infected from 1 person. Spread is the where, the who and the pattern. Hence people not having hard symptoms were able to spread it more easily, they carried on mixing. So, as I expected, your notion of spread - as being "the where, the who and the pattern" is yet another one of your woolly concepts. As you have argued that "Looking back, I think most of the world got it wrong, lockdowns and restrictions should have been targeted at the vulnerable" and you say you were travelling extensively, it seems possible that you might have been spreading covid around to a greater degree than those who perhaps took the issue more seriously. " Do some proper research instead of dismissing points as woolly, it isn't a good look.... The difference between R rate and spread isn’t my invention. And as I already said, reduced symptoms meant many carried on mixing without realising they had COVID, that’s how spread continued. I also stand by my view that lockdowns could have been handled much better than a total lockdown, I’ve explained my reasoning, but you have glossed over it for the sake of wanting to argue that I did not take COVID seriously, which is pure fiction that you have created. | |||
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"Inevitable that vaccination rates would drop after our experience during covid/lockdowns. Any idiot could have predicted what the outcome would be. Unfortunately it’s what happens when you force vaccines on people who don’t need them, and people take medication not on any clinical grounds but so they can go on holiday. Catastrophic breakdown of trust between the medical profession and patients. Who was forced to have the vaccine? Forced, maybe not. However I had work that meant I needed to travel, I couldn't do that without a vaccine passport, and tests either side. You took a decision that the value of the work outweighed any possible health implications there might be regarding the taking of the vaccine, you made a choice. In the same way that someone who chose to become a Kapo in a concentration camp was “making a choice”. “Man the gas chambers and take your chances or be shot now. It’s not me forcing you to do anything. You are making a choice”. No, not in the same way at all, nobody was threatened with being shot if they didn’t take it, I know plenty who chose not too, people had complete freedom to choose whether to take the vaccine, but if you want to keep deluding yourself feel free to carry on🤷🏻♂️ By all means if you think people should have been forced to take the Covid vaccine just be honest with yourself and others and say so. It’s an intellectually honest position to take: “We can’t trust the peasants to do the right thing just force them to take it. A few will suffer the consequences, we have no data on which of them will be harmed or die but it’s a small number so it’s a price worth someone else paying. Tell them to take it or they can’t go on holiday and won’t be able to work”. That at least is an honest if unsavoury position. If it helps you to understand the vacuity of your argument here is what a Covid vaccine programme based on free choice and usual ethical standards would look like. The government would say that in its opinion, people should take the vaccine if not for their own benefit then for the benefit of those around them. The overwhelming majority of people do not need to take the vaccine and are not in danger, but the government would like the citizenry to think of others. However there are risks for everyone, and ultimately each must decide for themselves based on their own medical and social circumstances and in consultation with their doctor. It is a matter of choice and there are no social consequences regardless of what choice each of you makes. We would encourage everyone to think of others in the decision they make. That’s what “free choice” looks like." You mean …. Like …. Actual decisions may have actual consequences attached to them Heaven forbid!!!!! | |||
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