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Well if the consensus is that Labour have failed, and the Tory's had obviously been voted out what's the next alternative and how will they succeed where others have failed ?
Increase taxes ?
Slash public services ?
Slash benefits ?
They may or may not stop the boats but financially that would appear to have a minimum overall effect on the economy ? |
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By *otMe66Man 34 weeks ago
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Reform say the economy would improve by removing waste, lowering taxes, and improving services to deliver more for less. Their view is freeing up business with lower corporation tax and less regulation drives growth and productivity. Scrapping arbitrary net zero targets that they see as expensive to achieve and offers little return and hinders business. There will be more things on their agenda for cuts, but they claim, money saved would be redirected into NHS staff, police, housing etc without raising taxes.
Whether the numbers work is very questionable but that’s how they claim they would improve the economy.
My question is do any of the other parties have anything more solid than this? |
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They are a continuation party, backed by the very wealthy. They have discussed cancelling employment protection, for example.
Trickle down economics is not going to work. The number of billionaires has ballooned at the same time as financial health for most has flatlined.
Previous Conservatives don't care or hold responsibility for any harms caused. Reform would continue the harm to the majority and likely not make good changes to immigration. |
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"Reform say the economy would improve by removing waste, lowering taxes, and improving services to deliver more for less. Their view is freeing up business with lower corporation tax and less regulation drives growth and productivity. Scrapping arbitrary net zero targets that they see as expensive to achieve and offers little return and hinders business. There will be more things on their agenda for cuts, but they claim, money saved would be redirected into NHS staff, police, housing etc without raising taxes.
Whether the numbers work is very questionable but that’s how they claim they would improve the economy.
My question is do any of the other parties have anything more solid than this?"
It's very much a case of believing in Santa Clause or facing reality. |
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They're not going to. They're merely a load of failed torys who've defected. They'll wreck well established modern green industries putting hundreds of thousands out of work whilst simultaneously trashing pension funds that are now heavily invested, all out of some childishly idealogical sour grapes. They're just another wave of juvenile fantasists from the metropolitan elite living in the past. |
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The headline grabbers, cutting immigration, cutting benefits etc won’t do anything for the £3trn economy.
Manufacturing and farming have been globalised for cheaper production costs and lower wages.
It is time to face reality. A workforce of around 30 million supporting a population of 70 million, an ageing population, less people in pensionable employment, more people in poverty, importing cheap sugar laden foods to feed us. Reduced home ownership, low levels of personal savings, more businesses closing than opening, deferral of state pension age, a generation owing over a quarter trillion pounds of student debt.
Career politicians of all parties are not equipped to build economic growth.
Back to basics would be my thoughts.
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By *otMe66Man 34 weeks ago
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"Reform say the economy would improve by removing waste, lowering taxes, and improving services to deliver more for less. Their view is freeing up business with lower corporation tax and less regulation drives growth and productivity. Scrapping arbitrary net zero targets that they see as expensive to achieve and offers little return and hinders business. There will be more things on their agenda for cuts, but they claim, money saved would be redirected into NHS staff, police, housing etc without raising taxes.
Whether the numbers work is very questionable but that’s how they claim they would improve the economy.
My question is do any of the other parties have anything more solid than this?
It's very much a case of believing in Santa Clause or facing reality."
The question is still valid, what do the other parties offer? |
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"Reform say the economy would improve by removing waste, lowering taxes, and improving services to deliver more for less. Their view is freeing up business with lower corporation tax and less regulation drives growth and productivity. Scrapping arbitrary net zero targets that they see as expensive to achieve and offers little return and hinders business. There will be more things on their agenda for cuts, but they claim, money saved would be redirected into NHS staff, police, housing etc without raising taxes.
Whether the numbers work is very questionable but that’s how they claim they would improve the economy.
My question is do any of the other parties have anything more solid than this?
It's very much a case of believing in Santa Clause or facing reality.
The question is still valid, what do the other parties offer? "
Nothing
Everything they propose gets dissected in the media and voted down.
Nobody is prepared to make the tough decisions |
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Well the likes of Amazon, Microsoft, Apple google Vodafone Starbucks etc etc all owe over £200bn a year on tax. If we stopped them hiding it offshore we could solve anfuxk ton of problems. And that’s only at a 20% tax rate. If we charged them 30%, like they do for us, we could raise more.
We also lost over £150bn a year from manufacturing and smaller local businesses.
So I would tax thenbollocks outnid the mega corps and spend that money trying to improve local companies to reclaim that £300bn a year missing from the economy.
If Apple don’t want to pay, I would. A them out right from the uk. No slaws or services at all.
There is a book called ‘ The Establishment: And How They Get Away with It“ by Owen jones. It’s well worth a read. |
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By *hirleyMan 34 weeks ago
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So I would tax thenbollocks outnid the mega corps and spend that money trying to improve local companies to reclaim that £300bn a year missing from the economy.
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This is NOT how tax works in a modern economy.
Do you really think governments “spend” based only what they collect, like a business does, balancing the books? Do you really think teachers, nurses, doctors and police are literally paid straight from your income tax?
It's rather strange logic if you do. Given the UK Treasury has run deficits for decades. Yet the government keeps going, because currency issuers (UK government) don’t work anything like how companies work. Any private business running losses like that long would have been wound up years ago.
Taxes don’t “fund” spending, they create demand for the currency and are the only control for inflation. |
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By *otMe66Man 34 weeks ago
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So I would tax thenbollocks outnid the mega corps and spend that money trying to improve local companies to reclaim that £300bn a year missing from the economy.
This is NOT how tax works in a modern economy.
Do you really think governments “spend” based only what they collect, like a business does, balancing the books? Do you really think teachers, nurses, doctors and police are literally paid straight from your income tax?
It's rather strange logic if you do. Given the UK Treasury has run deficits for decades. Yet the government keeps going, because currency issuers (UK government) don’t work anything like how companies work. Any private business running losses like that long would have been wound up years ago.
Taxes don’t “fund” spending, they create demand for the currency and are the only control for inflation. "
You bang this drum with only one stick.. |
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"If you liked Thatcher, you’ll love Reform (I didn’t)
I did.  "
Thatcher was pretty good overall. Privatising the essentials for life (power, telecoms and water) was a mistake, as was backtracking on the Poll Tax. Most of the rest was good.
Reform have a charismatic chancer as a leader but don’t really have any policies. They may develop plausible ideas by the next election but don’t have any experience of running anything.
None of the political parties have the quality or depth in their MPs to take and implement the decisions necessary to stop the decline of the UK. |
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"If you liked Thatcher, you’ll love Reform (I didn’t)
I did. "
Jolly good for you. However, the majority of the UK electorate, including me, didn’t. She’s a very good example of why we need electoral reform. A maximum of 44% of the vote isn’t majority consent for the radical changes she implemented. |
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The neas this morning that a former BoE economist and the Adam Smith Institute are estimating the public sector pensions liability will hit £5.8 trillion next year should send shivers down the spine. That is roughly twice our GDP. France is in an even worse state and it's easy to forget that this was exactly the problem that crashed the Greek economy in 2008. It's probably the biggest financial issue this country faces. And must be addressed sooner rather than later. |
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"If you liked Thatcher, you’ll love Reform (I didn’t)
I did.
Jolly good for you. However, the majority of the UK electorate, including me, didn’t. She’s a very good example of why we need electoral reform. A maximum of 44% of the vote isn’t majority consent for the radical changes she implemented."
She won 3 GE's and her 44% was a damn site more than Starmer's 34%.
Electoral reform?
Be careful what you wish for.
One look at France or the dogs breakfast of the German government should be enough. |
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"If you liked Thatcher, you’ll love Reform (I didn’t)
I did.
Jolly good for you. However, the majority of the UK electorate, including me, didn’t. She’s a very good example of why we need electoral reform. A maximum of 44% of the vote isn’t majority consent for the radical changes she implemented.
She won 3 GE's and her 44% was a damn site more than Starmer's 34%.
Electoral reform?
Be careful what you wish for.
One look at France or the dogs breakfast of the German government should be enough."
44% is still a minority last time I looked & I make absolutely no excuses for Starmer, complete sham he is allowed to form a government on such a paltry share of the vote.
Yes, France & Germany are having some issues at the moment. Hardly always been the case though has it.
I suppose you’re going to tell me the last few years in the UK under the one Tory umbrella were stable through Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss & Sunak? |
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"The neas this morning that a former BoE economist and the Adam Smith Institute are estimating the public sector pensions liability will hit £5.8 trillion next year should send shivers down the spine. That is roughly twice our GDP. France is in an even worse state and it's easy to forget that this was exactly the problem that crashed the Greek economy in 2008. It's probably the biggest financial issue this country faces. And must be addressed sooner rather than later."
Your post all credibility when it got to Adam Smith |
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"The neas this morning that a former BoE economist and the Adam Smith Institute are estimating the public sector pensions liability will hit £5.8 trillion next year should send shivers down the spine. That is roughly twice our GDP. France is in an even worse state and it's easy to forget that this was exactly the problem that crashed the Greek economy in 2008. It's probably the biggest financial issue this country faces. And must be addressed sooner rather than later."
Your post lost all credibility when it got to Adam Smith .... Fkn autocarrot 😆 |
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By (user no longer on site) 34 weeks ago
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Reform would need to do two things:-
1. Stop illegal immigration, which, like it or not, has become a bellwether of public opinion.
2. Reign-in public expenditure which is causing debt to mount unsustainably and is inhibiting economic growth. |
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"Fkn autocarrot 😆
Pot, kettle black. Is that the best you can offer?"
Autocarrot is a euphemism for autocorrect.... Which is why I reposted the correction.... So put away your childish response before you embarrass yourself further |
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"If you liked Thatcher, you’ll love Reform (I didn’t)
I did.
Jolly good for you. However, the majority of the UK electorate, including me, didn’t. She’s a very good example of why we need electoral reform. A maximum of 44% of the vote isn’t majority consent for the radical changes she implemented.
She won 3 GE's and her 44% was a damn site more than Starmer's 34%.
Electoral reform?
Be careful what you wish for.
One look at France or the dogs breakfast of the German government should be enough.
44% is still a minority last time I looked & I make absolutely no excuses for Starmer, complete sham he is allowed to form a government on such a paltry share of the vote.
Yes, France & Germany are having some issues at the moment. Hardly always been the case though has it.
I suppose you’re going to tell me the last few years in the UK under the one Tory umbrella were stable through Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss & Sunak?"
Suppose what you like.
No it hasn't always been the case in France and Germany but we live in a different world politically.
The old 3 party system could survive coalitions. Now there are just too many parties so none will get a majority.
The last 3 governments in Germany have been cobbled together with minor parties holding the balance. The result being that now Germany is ruled by a minority coalition with a combined total of 44% with a junior partner that only polled 16%. Needless to say it is about as stable as quicksand.
In France it's even worse. They seem to get a new PM almost every month and their financial woes make Britain look prudent.
I didn't mention Spain but it's no better there. Small parties with just a handfull (or less) of MP's dictating policy with hardly any mandate.
While a cursory glance at PR can make it look all fair and cuddly. The reality is, more often than not, chaos.
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"Well if the consensus is that Labour have failed, and the Tory's had obviously been voted out what's the next alternative and how will they succeed where others have failed ?
Increase taxes ?
Slash public services ?
Slash benefits ?
They may or may not stop the boats but financially that would appear to have a minimum overall effect on the economy ?"
Whilst I read this garbage regarding stop the boats and people getting across our boarders who we do not know.
I am busy buying up all the assets you publicly own, you have had no time to object because my mates media empire is busy getting the likes of you upset about what I am doing, but blaming others from aboard.
You will all witness my next phase, as I and my mates have brought up all of the poor assets and we have milked those assets for what they are worth, the middle class will have to bare the brunt of what the poor can no longer give us.
I thank you all, and please keep on with your differences we couldn't do what we do without it. |
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By *007ManMan 34 weeks ago
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It's net zero that's holding us back. We have millions (if not billions) of our own oil/gas reserves which are now being cancelled by Silliband. Sun does not always shine and wind does not always blow hence we have to import expensive oil/gas. |
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Whilst I read this garbage regarding stop the boats and people getting across our boarders who we do not know.
I am busy buying up all the assets you publicly own, you have had no time to object because my mates media empire is busy getting the likes of you upset about what I am doing, but blaming others from aboard.
You will all witness my next phase, as I and my mates have brought up all of the poor assets and we have milked those assets for what they are worth, the middle class will have to bare the brunt of what the poor can no longer give us.
I thank you all, and please keep on with your differences we couldn't do wh cat we do without it. "
You are actually on the nail there.
If you had thought to run it through context sensitive spelling checks, before hitting the send button the value of the post would have been greatly enhanced!
Boarders are a type of schoolboy, not the country's boundaries and aboard is where people sit in small boats when coming from abroad.
In fairness, you are not the only one making these common errors.
Keep up your perceptive analysis of the ongoing politico economic scene. It makes a change from the rabid right versus loony left divide! |
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"It's net zero that's holding us back. We have millions (if not billions) of our own oil/gas reserves which are now being cancelled by Silliband. Sun does not always shine and wind does not always blow hence we have to import expensive oil/gas."
We don't just have to look at 1 option and we certainly shouldn't be prioritising the option that's got the world to the brink of too much catastrophe. Power storage is an option for some intermittent generation, for example. As well as looking for other ways to get resiliency.
There's opportunity for the economy, from pursuing newer cleaner power. |
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By *hirleyMan 34 weeks ago
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So I would tax thenbollocks outnid the mega corps and spend that money trying to improve local companies to reclaim that £300bn a year missing from the economy.
This is NOT how tax works in a modern economy.
Do you really think governments “spend” based only what they collect, like a business does, balancing the books? Do you really think teachers, nurses, doctors and police are literally paid straight from your income tax?
It's rather strange logic if you do. Given the UK Treasury has run deficits for decades. Yet the government keeps going, because currency issuers (UK government) don’t work anything like how companies work. Any private business running losses like that long would have been wound up years ago.
Taxes don’t “fund” spending, they create demand for the currency and are the only control for inflation.
You bang this drum with only one stick.."
What are you talking about? |
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"Fkn autocarrot 😆
Pot, kettle black. Is that the best you can offer?
Autocarrot is a euphemism for autocorrect.... Which is why I reposted the correction.... So put away your childish response before you embarrass yourself further "
You are the one who needs to grow up. Resorting to "fkn" big boy? |
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"Reform say the economy would improve by removing waste, lowering taxes, and improving services to deliver more for less. Their view is freeing up business with lower corporation tax and less regulation drives growth and productivity. Scrapping arbitrary net zero targets that they see as expensive to achieve and offers little return and hinders business. There will be more things on their agenda for cuts, but they claim, money saved would be redirected into NHS staff, police, housing etc without raising taxes.
Whether the numbers work is very questionable but that’s how they claim they would improve the economy.
My question is do any of the other parties have anything more solid than this?"
Reform sounds like a change of course, but we're very suspicious that they're just another sockpuppet with empty platitudes. |
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By *otMe66Man 33 weeks ago
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"Reform say the economy would improve by removing waste, lowering taxes, and improving services to deliver more for less. Their view is freeing up business with lower corporation tax and less regulation drives growth and productivity. Scrapping arbitrary net zero targets that they see as expensive to achieve and offers little return and hinders business. There will be more things on their agenda for cuts, but they claim, money saved would be redirected into NHS staff, police, housing etc without raising taxes.
Whether the numbers work is very questionable but that’s how they claim they would improve the economy.
My question is do any of the other parties have anything more solid than this?
Reform sounds like a change of course, but we're very suspicious that they're just another sockpuppet with empty platitudes."
At this point into Labour's term there are going to be no parties declaring their GE policies with any amount of detail behind the headline. However, it has become a theme to push on reforms policies by the left, in what they see as exposing the gaps. What I think we can take away from the last GE, is the main parties have the headlines and some detail behind their policies but not necessarily the know how to deliver them.
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Reform probably has no firm plans to save the economy after about six months but Liebour had 14 years to plan. Just watching the lunchtime news,another £18 billion overspend so far and Reeves will need to slash spending or raise taxes by another £40 billion. Last time she tried small cuts the backbenchers gave her a kicking so more taxes it is. 16 months and £100 billion extra taken in taxes,going forward huge inflation, massive public pay demands from the unions, plus private sector which means more taxes which means....you get the idea. No economy left for Reform to do anything in 2029 |
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A governments role in the economy is fairly simple. Their policies either promote private sector growth, stifle it, or maintain the status quo.
It seems Labour created a £22 billion black hole with public sector pay increases when they got in, and we now have a £50 billion black hole. How has this one come about? Spending has obviously increased and based on their own figures the economy has not improved because of that spending. So any government coming in would do well to reverse all that spending as a first order of business.
Increasing taxes never stimulates the private sector, history has shown this. Government spending needs to be cut and the savings used to cut debt, which in itself cuts spending. I’d imagine there’s lots of things we waste money on that the public don’t even know about. Look after the pennies…
If I was in power…..
Find out what foreign aid is being spent on and cut where possible
Deport all foreign nationals who are in prison
Find an uninhabited island to dump all offenders of serious crimes so they don’t cost us money.
Get rid of every quango that is noting more than an extra layer of civil service
Overhaul the benefits system so that it’s not a career choice.
Cut free nursery places for those on benefits. If we’re paying you to stay at home the least you can do is look after your own kids.
Cut carers allowance for people caring for their own children.
Instead of paying £1500 a week or more for a care home, pay people to look after family members at home so they don’t have to work. This creates jobs and saves money.
I’m not a reform voter and I don’t know what policies they have in the pipeline, but a five year old could do a better job than the corrupt mob we have in at the moment.
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"A governments role in the economy is fairly simple. Their policies either promote private sector growth, stifle it, or maintain the status quo.
It seems Labour created a £22 billion black hole with public sector pay increases when they got in, and we now have a £50 billion black hole. How has this one come about? Spending has obviously increased and based on their own figures the economy has not improved because of that spending. So any government coming in would do well to reverse all that spending as a first order of business.
Increasing taxes never stimulates the private sector, history has shown this. Government spending needs to be cut and the savings used to cut debt, which in itself cuts spending. I’d imagine there’s lots of things we waste money on that the public don’t even know about. Look after the pennies…
If I was in power…..
Find out what foreign aid is being spent on and cut where possible.
Deport all foreign nationals who are in prison.
Find an uninhabited island to dump all offenders of serious crimes so they don’t cost us money.
Get rid of every quango that is noting more than an extra layer of civil service.
Overhaul the benefits system so that it’s not a career choice.
Cut free nursery places for those on benefits. If we’re paying you to stay at home the least you can do is look after your own kids.
Cut carers allowance for people caring for their own children. Not 100% sure about that one but worth looking at.
Instead of paying £1500 a week or more for a care home, pay people to look after family members at home so they don’t have to work. This creates jobs and saves money.
I’m not a reform voter and I don’t know what policies they have in the pipeline, but a five year old could do a better job than the corrupt mob we have in at the moment.
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I'm voting for him. |
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