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"Unfortunately this is the intent of the state, the Fabian society are the reason behind the steady decline of the uk! Here’s a post I recently read about them, but it’s all easy enough to look into! I have been meaning to post about this for a while because the truth is, once you understand who the Fabians are, you stop wondering how the world became this twisted and you start seeing the pattern. You stop thinking it is chaos and you start realising it is design. We have been conditioned to think change happens through revolutions, riots or coups, but what if I told you that the real power, the real architects of the system we live under, were the ones who never shouted, never marched, never set a street on fire… they just quietly infiltrated everything. That is the Fabian Society. The hidden hand that did not need to break the system because they became the system. They started in London in 1884, a group of well-heeled intellectuals and social engineers who saw the crumbling British Empire and decided to rebuild the world in their own image. They did not want chaotic uprisings that might spiral out of their control like the French Revolution or the Bolsheviks. They wanted control. Order. A slow, deliberate reconstruction of everything, so gradual that the masses would not even notice until it was done. That is why they named themselves after the Roman general Fabius Maximus, known as the Delayer, who defeated stronger enemies not through battle but by waiting them out, slowly weakening them until he struck. Their emblem was a tortoise and their motto was “When I strike, I strike hard.” Their coat of arms was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They told us exactly what they were from the beginning. Wolves wrapped in fleece, smiling politely while they gutted the world. The names attached to them are ones you will recognise from schoolbooks and old literature, but no one ever tells you what they were really doing. George Bernard Shaw, the famous playwright, was one of their key founders. He worshipped the idea of Nietzsche’s Übermensch, the Superman, and fantasised openly about building a world ruled by a godlike elite. He called Lenin the greatest Fabian of them all and pushed for population control, forced sterilisation and licensing who could even be born. He was not some eccentric poet. He was a eugenicist with influence. H G Wells was another Fabian, writing endless books not just about science fiction but about a planned world state, a New World Order run by experts and bureaucrats. Sidney and Beatrice Webb quietly designed the framework of the modern welfare state and the bureaucracy that came with it. Annie Besant, another Fabian, was a Theosophist who believed in preparing the world for a new messiah figure, the so-called World Teacher, which just so happens to mirror the same Luciferian cult belief system that keeps popping up in elite circles. These people were not trying to uplift humanity. They were trying to erase it and rebuild it like clay in their hands. This is the key thing to understand. The Fabians did not go after the masses. They went after the gatekeepers. They infiltrated the education system, the universities, the civil service, the media, the banks and the political parties. They even founded the London School of Economics to train their own army of policy-makers, economists and global managers. They created the Labour Party as their political weapon. Every Labour government of the last century has been packed full of Fabians, from Clement Attlee to Harold Wilson to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Even the supposedly opposite Conservative Party has its own Oxbridge feeder network pushing the same agenda under different branding. It is all the same machine. What makes them so dangerous is their method. They do not try to smash society in one blow. They slowly reshape it, one tiny step at a time, so each change feels normal. They call it gradualism. Boil the frog slowly and it will not jump out. By the time people wake up, the entire landscape has shifted. Culture, law, education, family, finance, religion, all of it quietly rewritten. That is why they use the tortoise as their symbol. They are slow, patient and relentless, but when they strike, they strike hard. Wars, financial collapses, cultural revolutions and engineered crises are not accidents. They are the hammer blows. They spend decades heating the world red hot through chaos, fear and exhaustion, then they reshape it on the anvil. George Bernard Shaw even designed a stained-glass window to celebrate their mission, which still sits at the London School of Economics today. It shows the Fabians literally hammering the world on an anvil while a shield above them bears the words “Pray devoutly, Hammer stoutly” and at the centre, a wolf in sheep’s clothing hovers over the globe. The inscription reads “Remould it nearer to the heart’s desire.” They could not have been more honest about it. These people have always believed that humanity is too stupid to run its own life, so the educated class must do it for them. They see the rest of us as cattle to be managed, controlled, medicated, tracked and if necessary, culled. It is the same belief system you see in the modern technocrats, the World Economic Forum, the UN, the WHO, the central bankers and the Silicon Valley elite. All of them are pushing the same vision the Fabians sketched out more than a century ago. A centralised global system with no borders, no private property, no traditional families, no faith and no freedom. Just digital IDs, central bank digital currencies, algorithmic social credit scores and a single global religion managed by their hand-picked clerics. Even Tony Blair, a Fabian, launched the Tony Blair Faith Foundation to push Faith and Globalisation, which is just code for merging religions into one system to prop up their world government. They want control down to the level of your thoughts and they are dressing it all up in words like sustainability and equity to make it palatable. This is not conspiracy theory. This is what they have always said, and they have done it in plain sight. They are the reason everything feels orchestrated from the top down, because it is. They do not break systems, they become them. They do not storm the gates, they become the gatekeepers. They do not burn the world down in riots, they rot it out from within, and by the time anyone notices, it is too late. They are the silent engineers of the collapse we are watching now. They do not care about freedom, or justice, or truth. They care about power. And they have played the longest game of all to get it. The Fabian Society is not some relic of the past. It is alive, it is embedded in the very fabric of our governments and institutions, and it has never abandoned its mission. It waits patiently, building, infiltrating, reshaping, and when the world is finally hot enough, when the chaos has softened it up, when people are broken and begging for order, it will strike. Because that is what it was always created to do. It waits long. But when it strikes, it strikes hard." you might need some time away from those far right conspiracy theory channels on the dark web chap | |||
"Reading a very sad news story in local area of teens brazenly running riot in local high street in Southampton area. Not even remotely scared of police and mocking shop owners who are powerless to intervene as one is filmed stating " you can't lay a finger on me as I'll have you for assault" whilst stealing and smashing up shop's. This is the state of society entitled teens aware of the fact that anyone including the police are powerless. We have taken the power away from authority and given it to the irresponsible and immature. This is a nationwide issue. " this is what happens when you tell parents they can't give there kids a clump | |||
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"Reading a very sad news story in local area of teens brazenly running riot in local high street in Southampton area. Not even remotely scared of police and mocking shop owners who are powerless to intervene as one is filmed stating " you can't lay a finger on me as I'll have you for assault" whilst stealing and smashing up shop's. This is the state of society entitled teens aware of the fact that anyone including the police are powerless. We have taken the power away from authority and given it to the irresponsible and immature. This is a nationwide issue. " They only understand one thing, get one of them on his own somewhere quiet and kick the shite out of him usually ends it. Works for me 👍 | |||
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"it's hardly surprising the kids are just picking up from their parents who are the same arseholes who constantly bleat on and on about two tier policing, flags, save our women and kids from foreigners etc. " Is that conjecture, or fact? | |||
"Maybe Fox News' Brian Kilmeade has the solution? "Involantary lethal injection" I am sure our right wing folk would love that as a solution. "That's some leap!! From complaining about feral kids to lethal injections in one bound! | |||
"Maybe Fox News' Brian Kilmeade has the solution? "Involantary lethal injection" I am sure our right wing folk would love that as a solution.
That's some leap!! From complaining about feral kids to lethal injections in one bound! "Yes. Pity we don't have a British version of Fox and friends over here. He said it about homeless people.  | |||
"it's hardly surprising the kids are just picking up from their parents who are the same arseholes who constantly bleat on and on about two tier policing, flags, save our women and kids from foreigners etc. Is that conjecture, or fact?" this whole thread is conjecture | |||
"Unfortunately this is the intent of the state, the Fabian society are the reason behind the steady decline of the uk! Here’s a post I recently read about them, but it’s all easy enough to look into! I have been meaning to post about this for a while because the truth is, once you understand who the Fabians are, you stop wondering how the world became this twisted and you start seeing the pattern. You stop thinking it is chaos and you start realising it is design. We have been conditioned to think change happens through revolutions, riots or coups, but what if I told you that the real power, the real architects of the system we live under, were the ones who never shouted, never marched, never set a street on fire… they just quietly infiltrated everything. That is the Fabian Society. The hidden hand that did not need to break the system because they became the system. They started in London in 1884, a group of well-heeled intellectuals and social engineers who saw the crumbling British Empire and decided to rebuild the world in their own image. They did not want chaotic uprisings that might spiral out of their control like the French Revolution or the Bolsheviks. They wanted control. Order. A slow, deliberate reconstruction of everything, so gradual that the masses would not even notice until it was done. That is why they named themselves after the Roman general Fabius Maximus, known as the Delayer, who defeated stronger enemies not through battle but by waiting them out, slowly weakening them until he struck. Their emblem was a tortoise and their motto was “When I strike, I strike hard.” Their coat of arms was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They told us exactly what they were from the beginning. Wolves wrapped in fleece, smiling politely while they gutted the world. The names attached to them are ones you will recognise from schoolbooks and old literature, but no one ever tells you what they were really doing. George Bernard Shaw, the famous playwright, was one of their key founders. He worshipped the idea of Nietzsche’s Übermensch, the Superman, and fantasised openly about building a world ruled by a godlike elite. He called Lenin the greatest Fabian of them all and pushed for population control, forced sterilisation and licensing who could even be born. He was not some eccentric poet. He was a eugenicist with influence. H G Wells was another Fabian, writing endless books not just about science fiction but about a planned world state, a New World Order run by experts and bureaucrats. Sidney and Beatrice Webb quietly designed the framework of the modern welfare state and the bureaucracy that came with it. Annie Besant, another Fabian, was a Theosophist who believed in preparing the world for a new messiah figure, the so-called World Teacher, which just so happens to mirror the same Luciferian cult belief system that keeps popping up in elite circles. These people were not trying to uplift humanity. They were trying to erase it and rebuild it like clay in their hands. This is the key thing to understand. The Fabians did not go after the masses. They went after the gatekeepers. They infiltrated the education system, the universities, the civil service, the media, the banks and the political parties. They even founded the London School of Economics to train their own army of policy-makers, economists and global managers. They created the Labour Party as their political weapon. Every Labour government of the last century has been packed full of Fabians, from Clement Attlee to Harold Wilson to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Even the supposedly opposite Conservative Party has its own Oxbridge feeder network pushing the same agenda under different branding. It is all the same machine. What makes them so dangerous is their method. They do not try to smash society in one blow. They slowly reshape it, one tiny step at a time, so each change feels normal. They call it gradualism. Boil the frog slowly and it will not jump out. By the time people wake up, the entire landscape has shifted. Culture, law, education, family, finance, religion, all of it quietly rewritten. That is why they use the tortoise as their symbol. They are slow, patient and relentless, but when they strike, they strike hard. Wars, financial collapses, cultural revolutions and engineered crises are not accidents. They are the hammer blows. They spend decades heating the world red hot through chaos, fear and exhaustion, then they reshape it on the anvil. George Bernard Shaw even designed a stained-glass window to celebrate their mission, which still sits at the London School of Economics today. It shows the Fabians literally hammering the world on an anvil while a shield above them bears the words “Pray devoutly, Hammer stoutly” and at the centre, a wolf in sheep’s clothing hovers over the globe. The inscription reads “Remould it nearer to the heart’s desire.” They could not have been more honest about it. These people have always believed that humanity is too stupid to run its own life, so the educated class must do it for them. They see the rest of us as cattle to be managed, controlled, medicated, tracked and if necessary, culled. It is the same belief system you see in the modern technocrats, the World Economic Forum, the UN, the WHO, the central bankers and the Silicon Valley elite. All of them are pushing the same vision the Fabians sketched out more than a century ago. A centralised global system with no borders, no private property, no traditional families, no faith and no freedom. Just digital IDs, central bank digital currencies, algorithmic social credit scores and a single global religion managed by their hand-picked clerics. Even Tony Blair, a Fabian, launched the Tony Blair Faith Foundation to push Faith and Globalisation, which is just code for merging religions into one system to prop up their world government. They want control down to the level of your thoughts and they are dressing it all up in words like sustainability and equity to make it palatable. This is not conspiracy theory. This is what they have always said, and they have done it in plain sight. They are the reason everything feels orchestrated from the top down, because it is. They do not break systems, they become them. They do not storm the gates, they become the gatekeepers. They do not burn the world down in riots, they rot it out from within, and by the time anyone notices, it is too late. They are the silent engineers of the collapse we are watching now. They do not care about freedom, or justice, or truth. They care about power. And they have played the longest game of all to get it. The Fabian Society is not some relic of the past. It is alive, it is embedded in the very fabric of our governments and institutions, and it has never abandoned its mission. It waits patiently, building, infiltrating, reshaping, and when the world is finally hot enough, when the chaos has softened it up, when people are broken and begging for order, it will strike. Because that is what it was always created to do. It waits long. But when it strikes, it strikes hard." Thats an interesting read..thanks for posting | |||
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"Well if you go on the BBC news main page today there's a news report about antisocial behaviour in Portsmouth. If you live in a nice quiet area and think this is all bullshit, look at the report watch the video. This is life today for millions of people many prisoners in their own homes fearing violence from others. " I have just watched it, the guy dressed in black and masked up riding the e-scooter who rode past the police when asked to stop, sums up the problem for me. The police officer could have took hold of him but seemed too worried about the consequences. Our legal system needs to punish people who are breaking the law and support those who are not. Until that is fixed these undesirables will continue to cause havoc with impunity. | |||
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"For the sake of balance, it's not just the UK of course. . France: Theft below €300 can be dealt with a fixed criminal fine if the goods ore returned or compensated. Otherwise normal prosecution. . Germany: Doesn't have a specific hard euro limit, but typically "low-value items" are only prosecuted IF the victim complains. . Spain : Theft below €400 is a minor offence. Usually a fine. . Many countries triage petty shop theft and won’t send officers unless someone is detained or there’s a risk of harm." It's not just about petty theft tho is it. It's more about antisocial behaviour and criminal behaviour designed to intimidated and cause distress to others. A good example is the current trend of riding E bike's that have been chipped at high speed along highway's and pedestrian areas, ridden recklessly and dangerously and on more than a few occasions has ended in serious injuries and deaths. Yet it's allowed to happen for some reason usually lads with face's covered ( coz they brave innit). Look I'm not suggesting that previous generations acted any better, but at least the police had the powers and the system backed them up. I could go on a rant about liberal do gooders infiltration of the justice system who have turned victims into criminals and protecting actual criminals turning them into victims. The proliferation of lawyers making huge profit from this system tying up case's with red tape to ensure they get £££££ and making it extremely difficult for police to prosecute. Or a detention and jail system overflowing unable to cope due to decades of underfunding. Or The systematic breakdown is core values in society today children being taught from an early age they can do whatever they want because no-one says " NO YOU CAN'T AND MUSTN'T DO THAT" It's more " AHH bless you sweetheart here's a reward for being bad coz clearly your having a bad day" To the point kid's are and have grown up not knowing the difference between wrong and right, zero respect for authority and no fear at all. We live in an anti social anti establishment era where people are more concerned about their access to pornography than the actions of people commenting criminal acts right outside their windows. We have allowed this to happen, we have allowed others to dictate how we raise our children and how we discipline them to the point countless numbers have no clue how to parent, raising them like feral animals. Don't believe me go to your average infants and junior school the numbers of kid's turning up no breakfast, can't go to toilet properly, unwashed. Teacher's are more social workers than educators today. I could rant about all this but I won't. And I certainly won't go on about grown entitled adults who should know better but don't and set bad examples that others follow, even politicians in the house of lords acting like a bunch of kid's with no respect for each other. People riot when a person is filmed being treated badly by police but fail to act when police and emergency staff are assaulted daily. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOCIETY? | |||
"Well if you go on the BBC news main page today there's a news report about antisocial behaviour in Portsmouth. If you live in a nice quiet area and think this is all bullshit, look at the report watch the video. This is life today for millions of people many prisoners in their own homes fearing violence from others. I have just watched it, the guy dressed in black and masked up riding the e-scooter who rode past the police when asked to stop, sums up the problem for me. The police officer could have took hold of him but seemed too worried about the consequences. Our legal system needs to punish people who are breaking the law and support those who are not. Until that is fixed these undesirables will continue to cause havoc with impunity." It would have been fairly easy to grab the guy on the scooter but absolutely nothing was done. The guy was riding an illegal scooter (which is, technically, a motor vehicle) and failed to stop for the police. Therefore tactical contact is justified to stop him. But for some reason he was left to go on his way, breaking the law. Hypothetically, if he had an accident and injured someone wouldn’t the police be responsible as they failed to act? | |||
"Unfortunately this is the intent of the state, the Fabian society are the reason behind the steady decline of the uk! Here’s a post I recently read about them, but it’s all easy enough to look into! I have been meaning to post about this for a while because the truth is, once you understand who the Fabians are, you stop wondering how the world became this twisted and you start seeing the pattern. You stop thinking it is chaos and you start realising it is design. We have been conditioned to think change happens through revolutions, riots or coups, but what if I told you that the real power, the real architects of the system we live under, were the ones who never shouted, never marched, never set a street on fire… they just quietly infiltrated everything. That is the Fabian Society. The hidden hand that did not need to break the system because they became the system. They started in London in 1884, a group of well-heeled intellectuals and social engineers who saw the crumbling British Empire and decided to rebuild the world in their own image. They did not want chaotic uprisings that might spiral out of their control like the French Revolution or the Bolsheviks. They wanted control. Order. A slow, deliberate reconstruction of everything, so gradual that the masses would not even notice until it was done. That is why they named themselves after the Roman general Fabius Maximus, known as the Delayer, who defeated stronger enemies not through battle but by waiting them out, slowly weakening them until he struck. Their emblem was a tortoise and their motto was “When I strike, I strike hard.” Their coat of arms was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They told us exactly what they were from the beginning. Wolves wrapped in fleece, smiling politely while they gutted the world. The names attached to them are ones you will recognise from schoolbooks and old literature, but no one ever tells you what they were really doing. George Bernard Shaw, the famous playwright, was one of their key founders. He worshipped the idea of Nietzsche’s Übermensch, the Superman, and fantasised openly about building a world ruled by a godlike elite. He called Lenin the greatest Fabian of them all and pushed for population control, forced sterilisation and licensing who could even be born. He was not some eccentric poet. He was a eugenicist with influence. H G Wells was another Fabian, writing endless books not just about science fiction but about a planned world state, a New World Order run by experts and bureaucrats. Sidney and Beatrice Webb quietly designed the framework of the modern welfare state and the bureaucracy that came with it. Annie Besant, another Fabian, was a Theosophist who believed in preparing the world for a new messiah figure, the so-called World Teacher, which just so happens to mirror the same Luciferian cult belief system that keeps popping up in elite circles. These people were not trying to uplift humanity. They were trying to erase it and rebuild it like clay in their hands. This is the key thing to understand. The Fabians did not go after the masses. They went after the gatekeepers. They infiltrated the education system, the universities, the civil service, the media, the banks and the political parties. They even founded the London School of Economics to train their own army of policy-makers, economists and global managers. They created the Labour Party as their political weapon. Every Labour government of the last century has been packed full of Fabians, from Clement Attlee to Harold Wilson to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Even the supposedly opposite Conservative Party has its own Oxbridge feeder network pushing the same agenda under different branding. It is all the same machine. What makes them so dangerous is their method. They do not try to smash society in one blow. They slowly reshape it, one tiny step at a time, so each change feels normal. They call it gradualism. Boil the frog slowly and it will not jump out. By the time people wake up, the entire landscape has shifted. Culture, law, education, family, finance, religion, all of it quietly rewritten. That is why they use the tortoise as their symbol. They are slow, patient and relentless, but when they strike, they strike hard. Wars, financial collapses, cultural revolutions and engineered crises are not accidents. They are the hammer blows. They spend decades heating the world red hot through chaos, fear and exhaustion, then they reshape it on the anvil. George Bernard Shaw even designed a stained-glass window to celebrate their mission, which still sits at the London School of Economics today. It shows the Fabians literally hammering the world on an anvil while a shield above them bears the words “Pray devoutly, Hammer stoutly” and at the centre, a wolf in sheep’s clothing hovers over the globe. The inscription reads “Remould it nearer to the heart’s desire.” They could not have been more honest about it. These people have always believed that humanity is too stupid to run its own life, so the educated class must do it for them. They see the rest of us as cattle to be managed, controlled, medicated, tracked and if necessary, culled. It is the same belief system you see in the modern technocrats, the World Economic Forum, the UN, the WHO, the central bankers and the Silicon Valley elite. All of them are pushing the same vision the Fabians sketched out more than a century ago. A centralised global system with no borders, no private property, no traditional families, no faith and no freedom. Just digital IDs, central bank digital currencies, algorithmic social credit scores and a single global religion managed by their hand-picked clerics. Even Tony Blair, a Fabian, launched the Tony Blair Faith Foundation to push Faith and Globalisation, which is just code for merging religions into one system to prop up their world government. They want control down to the level of your thoughts and they are dressing it all up in words like sustainability and equity to make it palatable. This is not conspiracy theory. This is what they have always said, and they have done it in plain sight. They are the reason everything feels orchestrated from the top down, because it is. They do not break systems, they become them. They do not storm the gates, they become the gatekeepers. They do not burn the world down in riots, they rot it out from within, and by the time anyone notices, it is too late. They are the silent engineers of the collapse we are watching now. They do not care about freedom, or justice, or truth. They care about power. And they have played the longest game of all to get it. The Fabian Society is not some relic of the past. It is alive, it is embedded in the very fabric of our governments and institutions, and it has never abandoned its mission. It waits patiently, building, infiltrating, reshaping, and when the world is finally hot enough, when the chaos has softened it up, when people are broken and begging for order, it will strike. Because that is what it was always created to do. It waits long. But when it strikes, it strikes hard. Thats an interesting read..thanks for posting" Any similar information on Frankie Avalon? | |||
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"For the sake of balance, it's not just the UK of course. . France: Theft below €300 can be dealt with a fixed criminal fine if the goods ore returned or compensated. Otherwise normal prosecution. . Germany: Doesn't have a specific hard euro limit, but typically "low-value items" are only prosecuted IF the victim complains. . Spain : Theft below €400 is a minor offence. Usually a fine. . Many countries triage petty shop theft and won’t send officers unless someone is detained or there’s a risk of harm. It's not just about petty theft tho is it. It's more about antisocial behaviour and criminal behaviour designed to intimidated and cause distress to others. A good example is the current trend of riding E bike's that have been chipped at high speed along highway's and pedestrian areas, ridden recklessly and dangerously and on more than a few occasions has ended in serious injuries and deaths. Yet it's allowed to happen for some reason usually lads with face's covered ( coz they brave innit). Look I'm not suggesting that previous generations acted any better, but at least the police had the powers and the system backed them up. I could go on a rant about liberal do gooders infiltration of the justice system who have turned victims into criminals and protecting actual criminals turning them into victims. The proliferation of lawyers making huge profit from this system tying up case's with red tape to ensure they get £££££ and making it extremely difficult for police to prosecute. Or a detention and jail system overflowing unable to cope due to decades of underfunding. Or The systematic breakdown is core values in society today children being taught from an early age they can do whatever they want because no-one says " NO YOU CAN'T AND MUSTN'T DO THAT" It's more " AHH bless you sweetheart here's a reward for being bad coz clearly your having a bad day" To the point kid's are and have grown up not knowing the difference between wrong and right, zero respect for authority and no fear at all. We live in an anti social anti establishment era where people are more concerned about their access to pornography than the actions of people commenting criminal acts right outside their windows. We have allowed this to happen, we have allowed others to dictate how we raise our children and how we discipline them to the point countless numbers have no clue how to parent, raising them like feral animals. Don't believe me go to your average infants and junior school the numbers of kid's turning up no breakfast, can't go to toilet properly, unwashed. Teacher's are more social workers than educators today. I could rant about all this but I won't. And I certainly won't go on about grown entitled adults who should know better but don't and set bad examples that others follow, even politicians in the house of lords acting like a bunch of kid's with no respect for each other. People riot when a person is filmed being treated badly by police but fail to act when police and emergency staff are assaulted daily. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOCIETY? " I don't wish to be unkind, but what you wrote there is less of a coherent argument and more of a casserole of grievances baked in resentment and served on a platter of moral panic. It’s like reading the inner monologue of a Daily Mail comment section after four pints and a missed therapy appointment. You are clearly clearly frustrated — fair enough. Society has problems. People are riding chipped e-bikes like it’s Mad Max: Suburban Drift, the justice system is stretched, and yes, there are kids out there who don’t know how to use a toilet. All true, and all worthy of discussion. The overall tone of your post feels like a massive finger-pointing exercise at various targets which you wont mention (but you do), and then throw all these factors in to a stew and then say "this recipe is awful". . It blames Liberalism, Lawyers, Kids, Parents, Politicians… but offers no Policy or Structural Solutions. . At least you recognise the nuance and multi-dimensionality of the stew, but labelling all the ingredients as being causal is just weak sauce, isn't it ?. . My lasting impression is that the sentiment is "helplessness masquerading as certainty". . Blaming liberal values — like protecting rights or questioning authority — for systemic issues doesn't really hold up when you consider that both liberal and conservative governments have presided over worsening conditions. If anything, it’s often policy inaction or short-term thinking across the board that’s failed to address root causes. . It’s easy to point to a cultural shift and say 'this is the problem,' but social decay isn’t the product of one ideology. It’s a tangled mess of neglected systems, frayed communities, and yes, sometimes bad actors — on all sides. . I get that it’s tempting to point the finger at 'liberalism' and call it a day — it’s a tidy villain. But the reality is a lot more tangled than just 'kids these days' or 'lawyers ruining everything.' What we’re seeing now is the result of multiple long-term failures: economic inequality, broken infrastructure, decaying trust in institutions, and yes — both liberal and conservative leadership making short-sighted choices. . If liberalism was the problem, then conservative governments would’ve fixed everything by now — spoiler alert: they haven’t. Turns out you can’t arrest your way out of social collapse, or scapegoat your way into better parenting, education, or community support. . So sure, rage against the chipped e-bikes, but let’s not pretend this all started because someone said 'be kind' in a classroom once. | |||
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"Sarcasm on. Violence was used against me as a child and it didn't do me any harm because it taught me that violence against children is a great idea. All these feral kids were brought up by loving parents who didn't hit them and instead listened to them, set a good example, gave them good guidance, lots of hugs and read them bedtime stories. What's the world coming to. Oh and bring back hanging. Sarcasm off. "  | |||
"Sarcasm on. Violence was used against me as a child and it didn't do me any harm because it taught me that violence against children is a great idea. " Likewise used against me too, by parents and also corporal punishment at school. It taught me that adults use violence as tool to modify behaviour. So I did indeed modify my behaviour. From the age of 12 or so onwards, I tried to avoid them as much as possible. Stayed in my room reading books. Or went out on my bike on a Sat & Sun for the whole day. Anything but stay at home if they were around. Kept out of their way basically. | |||
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"There is a big problem in this country with treating criminals as victims. Trying to justify their actions in terms of “disadvantage” and blaming the state for not doing enough or not giving them enough. In reality they are just bad people who have realised that their actions have few consequences. Another problem is the paralysis of the police when faced with the possibility of a criminal injuring themselves due to their actions. So the police won’t chase and stop those illegal scooter and motorcycle riders. If they were chased and stopped using force then the problem would go away fairly quickly. If some of the criminals are injured, so what. Ride a bike or scooter illegally and fail to stop for the police then if they chase you and you fall off or are knocked off and are injured or die then it is entirely your fault. Communities rioting because some scrotes have died in a police chase is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with harshly as it shows complete disregard for the law." On the flip side, imagine you are pootling along in your little car, taking the gran and grandkids out for nice picnic. You round a bend and then slam head-on in to a "scrote" on a scooter/bike/car being chased by police. . The scores on the doors are 1 dead scrote, 1 dead gran, 2 severely injured grandkids, 1 totalled motor, 1 totalled scrote vehicle, and 1 injured pedestrian. . I think it's fair to say the police are going to ripped to shreds and taken to the cleaners and quite rightly too. . This is why the police do have to act with paralysis sometimes, because escalation can have terrible and tragic consequences. Costly consequences in terms of money and lives. | |||
"There is a big problem in this country with treating criminals as victims. Trying to justify their actions in terms of “disadvantage” and blaming the state for not doing enough or not giving them enough. In reality they are just bad people who have realised that their actions have few consequences. Another problem is the paralysis of the police when faced with the possibility of a criminal injuring themselves due to their actions. So the police won’t chase and stop those illegal scooter and motorcycle riders. If they were chased and stopped using force then the problem would go away fairly quickly. If some of the criminals are injured, so what. Ride a bike or scooter illegally and fail to stop for the police then if they chase you and you fall off or are knocked off and are injured or die then it is entirely your fault. Communities rioting because some scrotes have died in a police chase is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with harshly as it shows complete disregard for the law. On the flip side, imagine you are pootling along in your little car, taking the gran and grandkids out for nice picnic. You round a bend and then slam head-on in to a "scrote" on a scooter/bike/car being chased by police. . The scores on the doors are 1 dead scrote, 1 dead gran, 2 severely injured grandkids, 1 totalled motor, 1 totalled scrote vehicle, and 1 injured pedestrian. . I think it's fair to say the police are going to ripped to shreds and taken to the cleaners and quite rightly too. . This is why the police do have to act with paralysis sometimes, because escalation can have terrible and tragic consequences. Costly consequences in terms of money and lives. " And this is exactly why we have a society that is falling apart... People taking every situation to the worst case scenario with what if's, the end result is a paralysed police force, and thugs who don't play by the same rules. We need action that result in consequences, not endless liberal whataboutery. | |||
"There is a big problem in this country with treating criminals as victims. Trying to justify their actions in terms of “disadvantage” and blaming the state for not doing enough or not giving them enough. In reality they are just bad people who have realised that their actions have few consequences. Another problem is the paralysis of the police when faced with the possibility of a criminal injuring themselves due to their actions. So the police won’t chase and stop those illegal scooter and motorcycle riders. If they were chased and stopped using force then the problem would go away fairly quickly. If some of the criminals are injured, so what. Ride a bike or scooter illegally and fail to stop for the police then if they chase you and you fall off or are knocked off and are injured or die then it is entirely your fault. Communities rioting because some scrotes have died in a police chase is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with harshly as it shows complete disregard for the law. On the flip side, imagine you are pootling along in your little car, taking the gran and grandkids out for nice picnic. You round a bend and then slam head-on in to a "scrote" on a scooter/bike/car being chased by police. . The scores on the doors are 1 dead scrote, 1 dead gran, 2 severely injured grandkids, 1 totalled motor, 1 totalled scrote vehicle, and 1 injured pedestrian. . I think it's fair to say the police are going to ripped to shreds and taken to the cleaners and quite rightly too. . This is why the police do have to act with paralysis sometimes, because escalation can have terrible and tragic consequences. Costly consequences in terms of money and lives. And this is exactly why we have a society that is falling apart... People taking every situation to the worst case scenario with what if's, the end result is a paralysed police force, and thugs who don't play by the same rules. We need action that result in consequences, not endless liberal whataboutery. " So you are advocating that the police should have chased the scrote, causing him to flee at speed, endangering the lives of others, and resulting in needless deaths of innocents ? | |||
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"_oubleswing2019 makes a perfectly valid point. The instinct to lash out at young criminals is understandable but the police aren't f*cking idiots. They know that there can be unintended consequences to escalating situations. Sometimes they might underreact but things like high speed car chases are best left as entertainment in movies. I recall about 30 years ago, the police where I lived at the time routinely flew a helicopter chasing kids who had knicked cars. It was a crazy policy - dangerous, bloody annoying for regular folk because of the helicopter noise and search lights and it would have been cheaper for the police to just buy the victim a replacement car. I would like to see more highly-trained bobbies on bicycles cycling around neighbourhoods trying to get to know the local kids and engaging them in a bit of banter. Say one male and two female officers in a group so that they aren't easily overwhelmed but also don't present as a bullying threat. And for them to be part of a wider team so that they can call on experts in education, social care, sexual abuse, psychological councillng and so on when needed. Such a policy wouldn't be cheap nor would it be a panacea but I think it could have a very positive impact on neighbourhoods that are struggling with out of control teenagers. " I think that ship sailed a long time ago. It may have worked if it had been started 20/30 years ago when unruly kids still had some respect (fear?) of authority. Nowadays the amount of respect and fear are zero and zero again. Bobby's on bikes LOL. The scroats would just nick the bikes. | |||
"_oubleswing2019 makes a perfectly valid point. The instinct to lash out at young criminals is understandable but the police aren't f*cking idiots. They know that there can be unintended consequences to escalating situations. Sometimes they might underreact but things like high speed car chases are best left as entertainment in movies. I recall about 30 years ago, the police where I lived at the time routinely flew a helicopter chasing kids who had knicked cars. It was a crazy policy - dangerous, bloody annoying for regular folk because of the helicopter noise and search lights and it would have been cheaper for the police to just buy the victim a replacement car. I would like to see more highly-trained bobbies on bicycles cycling around neighbourhoods trying to get to know the local kids and engaging them in a bit of banter. Say one male and two female officers in a group so that they aren't easily overwhelmed but also don't present as a bullying threat. And for them to be part of a wider team so that they can call on experts in education, social care, sexual abuse, psychological councillng and so on when needed. Such a policy wouldn't be cheap nor would it be a panacea but I think it could have a very positive impact on neighbourhoods that are struggling with out of control teenagers. " Absolutely. As you rightly say, it's not a panacea, but it is a multi-faceted approach to deal with various systemic issues. . Sadly, under-investment in law enforcement and associated joined-up agencies by successive governments has hollowed-out many of these initiatives. . In the mantra of delivering low taxation, services are pared back. WMC (Wealthy Middle Class) and above celebrate their low taxes, then get enraged when the 5th vehicle theft in a week in their leafy suburb pays a visit. . They reap what they sow. We all do, in fact. Alas, many don't seem to make the connection (or choose to ignore it). | |||
"There is a big problem in this country with treating criminals as victims. Trying to justify their actions in terms of “disadvantage” and blaming the state for not doing enough or not giving them enough. In reality they are just bad people who have realised that their actions have few consequences. Another problem is the paralysis of the police when faced with the possibility of a criminal injuring themselves due to their actions. So the police won’t chase and stop those illegal scooter and motorcycle riders. If they were chased and stopped using force then the problem would go away fairly quickly. If some of the criminals are injured, so what. Ride a bike or scooter illegally and fail to stop for the police then if they chase you and you fall off or are knocked off and are injured or die then it is entirely your fault. Communities rioting because some scrotes have died in a police chase is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with harshly as it shows complete disregard for the law. On the flip side, imagine you are pootling along in your little car, taking the gran and grandkids out for nice picnic. You round a bend and then slam head-on in to a "scrote" on a scooter/bike/car being chased by police. . The scores on the doors are 1 dead scrote, 1 dead gran, 2 severely injured grandkids, 1 totalled motor, 1 totalled scrote vehicle, and 1 injured pedestrian. . I think it's fair to say the police are going to ripped to shreds and taken to the cleaners and quite rightly too. . This is why the police do have to act with paralysis sometimes, because escalation can have terrible and tragic consequences. Costly consequences in terms of money and lives. " Mostly rubbish I’m afraid. The most likely people to get injured are the scrotes. There may be some collateral damage initially however the policy would be effective quickly so that would go away. In the case of the scrote on the scooter who rode away from the police in the video clip mentioned earlier the policeman could quite easily have stepped into the way and grabbed the scrote, pulling him off the scooter (which aren’t the most stable of things) but he didn’t. And, as the scrote was wearing a face mask, probably because he set out to do illegal stuff, he can’t be identified so will get away with it. | |||
"I think that ship sailed a long time ago. It may have worked if it had been started 20/30 years ago when unruly kids still had some respect (fear?) of authority. Nowadays the amount of respect and fear are zero and zero again. Bobby's on bikes LOL. The scroats would just nick the bikes." Kids born today aren't different in any significant way to kids born 30 years ago. Respect isn't given on a plate, it is earnt. Also remember when you were a teenager. Was your behaviour really moderated by fear? Bobbies on bikes sounds quaint until you actually think a little deeper. I'm not naive. Such a policy wouldn't have much impact on kids older than about 14, it's very probably too late for them. But I'm talking about the impact on on much younger kids interacting with some police officers who are highly trained for this situation. The bikes themselves would be part of the appeal to the kids. They'd be very high-tech electric bikes that the kids would, as you say, find highly desirable. And it would be easy to disable a bike if the copper wasn't sat on it by using a similar mechanism to that which shuts down outboard motors when someone falls off a RIB. It could be quite sophisticated or something almost as simple as the Dutch city bikes where the rear wheel automatically locks when you remove the key. The bikes would be a point of discussion especially with boys between the ages of 8 and 12. It would be a way of bridging the gap and maybe even making some lads think - wouldn't it be cool to be a bobby on such a bike. | |||
"There is a big problem in this country with treating criminals as victims. Trying to justify their actions in terms of “disadvantage” and blaming the state for not doing enough or not giving them enough. In reality they are just bad people who have realised that their actions have few consequences. Another problem is the paralysis of the police when faced with the possibility of a criminal injuring themselves due to their actions. So the police won’t chase and stop those illegal scooter and motorcycle riders. If they were chased and stopped using force then the problem would go away fairly quickly. If some of the criminals are injured, so what. Ride a bike or scooter illegally and fail to stop for the police then if they chase you and you fall off or are knocked off and are injured or die then it is entirely your fault. Communities rioting because some scrotes have died in a police chase is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with harshly as it shows complete disregard for the law. On the flip side, imagine you are pootling along in your little car, taking the gran and grandkids out for nice picnic. You round a bend and then slam head-on in to a "scrote" on a scooter/bike/car being chased by police. . The scores on the doors are 1 dead scrote, 1 dead gran, 2 severely injured grandkids, 1 totalled motor, 1 totalled scrote vehicle, and 1 injured pedestrian. . I think it's fair to say the police are going to ripped to shreds and taken to the cleaners and quite rightly too. . This is why the police do have to act with paralysis sometimes, because escalation can have terrible and tragic consequences. Costly consequences in terms of money and lives. And this is exactly why we have a society that is falling apart... People taking every situation to the worst case scenario with what if's, the end result is a paralysed police force, and thugs who don't play by the same rules. We need action that result in consequences, not endless liberal whataboutery. So you are advocating that the police should have chased the scrote, causing him to flee at speed, endangering the lives of others, and resulting in needless deaths of innocents ? " Yes, but that wont compute in the liberal world of "what if". The reason being is your added rhetoric about needles deaths, that is in your head alone, a made up consequence and all the justification needed to advocate no action.... | |||
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"More people More policing required More potential for accidents Stats are pointless Hurled about by dimwits" Your argument is based on your understanding of changes in the number of people, the amount of policing required and the potential for accidents. Just because you aren't using actual numbers to support your claim doesn't change the fact that your argument is based on statistical reasoning. As it happens police-related RTI fatalities has been relatively stable for the past twenty years with an average of 30 deaths per year. | |||
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"From the IOPC report for 2023/24... "This year there were 32 fatalities from 29 police-related road traffic incidents (RTIs). This represents an increase of four deaths on 2022/23. Of the 32 deaths, 24 fatalities arose from 22 police pursuit-related incidents. There was one emergency response-related incident and fatality, and seven deaths related to other police traffic activity." " So it is minimal compared with the 1,624 deaths or 29,711 killed or seriously injured in the same year. Also, there is no breakdown of how many were innocent bystanders and how many were the criminal scrotes (who don’t really count). | |||
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"I knew kids who were repeatedly physically punished by their parents and teachers, who were violent criminals, and horrible people. " By the same token, there are plenty of adults who would have benefitted from some childhood discipline and rules. In many cases, the lack of has blighted their lives and that of other around them. | |||
"I knew kids who were repeatedly physically punished by their parents and teachers, who were violent criminals, and horrible people. " But there's probably more who grew up in stable homes with parents who never put a finger on them but have also grown up into horrible cunts. There's plenty of examples of people who have committed atrocious crimes and when interviewed friends and neighbours " I can't understand it he was such a lovely child with fantastic parents.... ' Basically not every child who has suffered some some of physical punishment or abuse has grown up to be an abusive adult same as not every child who's grown up without has ended up a model citizen. | |||
"Nonsense You have to be blind to not see the standard of driving is appalling Safety features in cars of course has no impact on the amount of deaths same as the use of mobile phones whilst driving 30 deaths per year is nonsense There are more deaths than that on the roads of North Yorkshire Fact not stats" How can you know the facts about the number of deaths on the roads of North Yorkshire without using official statistics? | |||
"I knew kids who were repeatedly physically punished by their parents and teachers, who were violent criminals, and horrible people. But there's probably more who grew up in stable homes with parents who never put a finger on them but have also grown up into horrible cunts. There's plenty of examples of people who have committed atrocious crimes and when interviewed friends and neighbours " I can't understand it he was such a lovely child with fantastic parents.... ' Basically not every child who has suffered some some of physical punishment or abuse has grown up to be an abusive adult same as not every child who's grown up without has ended up a model citizen. " "He was a nice boy. He used to cut my grass." | |||
"Demographics In 2024/25, there were 25 fatal police-related road traffic incidents (RTIs), resulting in 26 fatalities. Of those who died, 20 were men and six were women. Seventeen people were White, five were Asian, three were Black and one person was of mixed ethnicity. Four of the people were under 18 years old. A further ten people who died were aged between 18 and 30 years, and the eldest person was 84 years old. The average age was 36 years old. The average age decreases to 25 years if the deceased was the driver or passenger in a pursued or fleeing vehicle. It increases to 52 years if the deceased was a pedestrian, cyclist, or a driver or passenger in a vehicle hit by either the police or the pursued or fleeing vehicle. Pursuit-related There were 17 police pursuit-related incidents, which resulted in 18 fatalities. Of these fatalities: Ten people were the driver of a vehicle being pursued by the police when it crashed. Four people were passengers in the car being pursued by the police. Three people were drivers or passengers of an unrelated vehicle, which was hit by the pursued car. One person was a pedestrian who was hit by the car being pursued by the police. Emergency response-related Three fatalities happened when police vehicles that were responding to emergencies collided with another vehicle. The type of incidents the police were responding to included: a separate police pursuit of a vehicle intercepting the suspect of a crime a report of an injured person in the road The other two fatalities involved police vehicles colliding with pedestrians while responding to an emergency call. The type of incidents the police were responding to included: a report of a man with a knife a report of a group of men with weapons who were fighting in the street Other police traffic activity This category includes RTIs that did not happen during pursuit-related activity or an emergency response." I brought up these statistics simply to show that deaths do occur and to give the discussion some grounding in real data. But I think we can all agree that these numbers of deaths are low. However this is because the police only get involved in high-speed pursuits in extreme circumstances. The proposal of some here is that there should be a huge increase in the number of pursuits. It seems reasonable to assume that if this happened the number of fatalities would increase more or less in proportion. Personally I don't think anyone's life should be put at risk over issues of property theft. I think the police should only take risks like these when the balance of probability is that by not doing so there is a greater risk. So while obviously the police should pursue suspected murderers, terrorists and anyone who is considered armed and dangerous I don't think they should conduct high-speed pursuits of someone suspected of stealing a phone or a car. So far I've not been able to find a figure for the total number of pursuits and collisions in England and Wales but the figures for the Metropolitan Police were published following a FOI request and one can hopefully extrapolate from these. In 2024/25 there were 4,111 pursuits by the Met in Greater London and this resulted in 1,179 collisions. So from this data it seems that roughly 28% of police pursuit operations result in a collision. | |||
"Personally I don't think anyone's life should be put at risk over issues of property theft. I think the police should only take risks like these when the balance of probability is that by not doing so there is a greater risk. So while obviously the police should pursue suspected murderers, terrorists and anyone who is considered armed and dangerous I don't think they should conduct high-speed pursuits of someone suspected of stealing a phone or a car." The problem with that way is thinking it's that the crims know about it. It's already the case that pursued wrong-uns will start to drive more and more dangerously, so as to get the pursuit called off. That means that the tactic of backing off when the chase becomes dangerous, provides an incentive for the scrotes to make the chase more dangerous. | |||
"The problem with that way is thinking it's that the crims know about it. It's already the case that pursued wrong-uns will start to drive more and more dangerously, so as to get the pursuit called off. That means that the tactic of backing off when the chase becomes dangerous, provides an incentive for the scrotes to make the chase more dangerous." High-speed pursuits should not be initiated for the sake of a phone or a car. So in most cases your argument is irrelevant. However, as I said there are definitely situations where the police must pursue even if it puts some members of the public at risk of death. More generally, the reasoning behind some posters arguments seem detached from the reality I have witnessed. I don't believe that rogue teenagers and criminal young men moderate their behavour based on calculations of risk. Increasing the risk of getting caught or the harshness of the punishment if they do get caught wouldn't have the beneficial effect that such advocates think. Indeed it could make (and in some countries like the US already has made) things worse as criminals and the law get into an arms race. Multi-facetted crime prevention strategies targeted at youngsters are the only real answer IMO. | |||
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"High-speed pursuits should not be initiated for the sake of a phone or a car." Are you saying that if the police spot a nicked car, they should just ignore it? | |||
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"High-speed pursuits should not be initiated for the sake of a phone or a car. Are you saying that if the police spot a nicked car, they should just ignore it? " They should ignore it and if possible help them not get caught by the victim. In rare cases when they do get caught by the victim, they should arrest the victim for disturbing the peace, ABH and a hate crime. This will will discourage vigilante type thoughts and actions.....  | |||
"High-speed pursuits should not be initiated for the sake of a phone or a car. Are you saying that if the police spot a nicked car, they should just ignore it? " Of course they shouldn't ignore it. They should offer advice to the car thieves as to the location of the best chop shops in the area. This will enable the car to be taken off the road and broken up as quickly as possible. All in the name of public safety and a little help towards net zero. For high end cars they can advise on the best and most profitable routes for spiriting the car out of the country. Stupid things like nicking the little scroats is far too time consuming and the paperwork will take officers away from important tasks such as policing Twitter and esc*rting left wing looneys to demo's. | |||
"The person who mentioned high speed pursuits was responding to comments left by another poster and myself. We had watched a video of the BBC walking around with police in Portsmouth, a masked up thug on an e-scooter was asked to stop and simply carried on, the police officer did nothing to stop him. The poster then went onto support the officer doing nothing by fabricating a story that I assume was real in his mind, of it ending up with people being killed in a pursuit. And this is exactly what is wrong with so much of our society, liberal attitudes that are based in fantasy land, that allow thugs / criminals to take advantage and cause misery for innocent people day in day out. " Exactly, and my post above sets out how easy it would have been to stop this thug. I have seen the clip. | |||
"We had watched a video of the BBC walking around with police in Portsmouth, a masked up thug on an e-scooter was asked to stop and simply carried on, the police officer did nothing to stop him." I presume you are referring to the bit at about 2'30" in the video embedded in https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c0jqv18yd5eo What grounds do you think the police officer had to risk injury to himself and the guy on the scooter by giving him a rugby tackle or whatever you thnk should have been attempted? It's not a footpath, it's a public road. A car and what looks to be a police van are parked on the road and clearly visible in the video. All we hear is the police officer saying "Hello mate you alright?". | |||
"Are you saying that if the police spot a nicked car, they should just ignore it?" No they should immediately report the sighting so that the vehicle can be followed by the thousands of survellance camera in place in all our cities. They should pursue at regular traffic speeds and if possible stop the vehicle if it is safe to do so. If the driver zooms off they should not pursue at high-speed unless authorised to do so on the grounds that the risk is proportionate. | |||
"We had watched a video of the BBC walking around with police in Portsmouth, a masked up thug on an e-scooter was asked to stop and simply carried on, the police officer did nothing to stop him. I presume you are referring to the bit at about 2'30" in the video embedded in https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c0jqv18yd5eo What grounds do you think the police officer had to risk injury to himself and the guy on the scooter by giving him a rugby tackle or whatever you thnk should have been attempted? It's not a footpath, it's a public road. A car and what looks to be a police van are parked on the road and clearly visible in the video. All we hear is the police officer saying "Hello mate you alright?". " You might want to watch again... It is a cemetery, you know the place where people visit to pay respect to their lost loved ones, the place you don't expect a masked up thug to be going around on an e-scooter. Additionally. the scooter was not travelling at a speed that they could have simply taken hold of him. | |||
"The person who mentioned high speed pursuits was responding to comments left by another poster and myself. We had watched a video of the BBC walking around with police in Portsmouth, a masked up thug on an e-scooter was asked to stop and simply carried on, the police officer did nothing to stop him. The poster then went onto support the officer doing nothing by fabricating a story that I assume was real in his mind, of it ending up with people being killed in a pursuit. And this is exactly what is wrong with so much of our society, liberal attitudes that are based in fantasy land, that allow thugs / criminals to take advantage and cause misery for innocent people day in day out. Exactly, and my post above sets out how easy it would have been to stop this thug. I have seen the clip." I wonder if those championing “do nothing to stop them” would feel the same if it was their loved ones assaulted or their belongings taken. I imagine they come over all faint at the mention of the castle doctrine. | |||
"You might want to watch again... It is a cemetery, you know the place where people visit to pay respect to their lost loved ones, the place you don't expect a masked up thug to be going around on an e-scooter. Additionally. the scooter was not travelling at a speed that they could have simply taken hold of him. " It's a road with cars parked on it. If cars are allowed to drive there then why isn't a scooter? Is wearing black clothing, headphones and a balaclava an arrestable offence? | |||
"I wonder if those championing “do nothing to stop them” would feel the same if it was their loved ones assaulted or their belongings taken. I imagine they come over all faint at the mention of the castle doctrine." Was the guy on the scooter suspected of assault or theft? | |||
"You might want to watch again... It is a cemetery, you know the place where people visit to pay respect to their lost loved ones, the place you don't expect a masked up thug to be going around on an e-scooter. Additionally. the scooter was not travelling at a speed that they could have simply taken hold of him. It's a road with cars parked on it. If cars are allowed to drive there then why isn't a scooter? Is wearing black clothing, headphones and a balaclava an arrestable offence?" The cemetery has roads to allow funeral cars and visitors, access. They are not public roads and an e-scooter should not be used in these places as they pose a risk to those using the facilities. You are bending yourself double to excuse the lacklustre effort of the police officer, along with the disrespect of a masked up e-scooter rider. | |||
"I wonder if those championing “do nothing to stop them” would feel the same if it was their loved ones assaulted or their belongings taken. I imagine they come over all faint at the mention of the castle doctrine. Was the guy on the scooter suspected of assault or theft? " He was guilty of riding an e-scooter in a place he should not have been riding the vehicle, and was a risk to users of the cemetery. Quote: E-scooters are illegal to ride on public roads, pavements, or parks in the UK, including the private grounds of a cemetery. | |||
"Are you saying that if the police spot a nicked car, they should just ignore it?" "No they should immediately report the sighting so that the vehicle can be followed by the thousands of survellance camera in place in all our cities. They should pursue at regular traffic speeds and if possible stop the vehicle if it is safe to do so. If the driver zooms off they should not pursue at high-speed unless authorised to do so on the grounds that the risk is proportionate." So once the crims realise that zooming off will terminate the chase, what do you expect will happen the next time am officer tries to stop someone? Will they stop and politely hand themselves in, or will they zoom off, increasing the danger to those nearby? | |||
"The cemetery has roads to allow funeral cars and visitors, access. They are not public roads and an e-scooter should not be used in these places as they pose a risk to those using the facilities. You are bending yourself double to excuse the lacklustre effort of the police officer, along with the disrespect of a masked up e-scooter rider." I'm pointing out that the police officer didn't ask the guy on the scooter to stop. He wasn't suspected of assualt or theft as you alluded. The road had access to public traffic. There was a TV crew filming there even. He wasn't riding at high speed or erratically. I'd estimate he was doing about 12 mph. But it would have been risky for police officer to tackle him, not deadly risky obviously but still potentially pulled muscles and abrasions zone. Technically if it was a public road then some e-scooters aren't legal on them but the law is rarely enforced because it's a bit dumb as rented scooters are legal and E-bikes which are faster and heavier are also legal. If your argument was that it was an e-scooter enfringment then we could debate that but it seems to me you just don't like the look of him and are projecting on to him the anti-social issues that are dealt with in other segments of the video. | |||
"So once the crims realise that zooming off will terminate the chase, what do you expect will happen the next time am officer tries to stop someone? Will they stop and politely hand themselves in, or will they zoom off, increasing the danger to those nearby?" You seem to posulating that there is some kind of magical switch someone could flick between a chase accelerating and not. If the police chase then the likelihood is that it will develop into a high-speed dangerous pursuit no matter what. So rather than an intelligent surveillance based approach you are suggesting that the police should always endanger people in order to pursue car thieves at high speed where there is a good chance that the car will be a wreck at the end of the chase. | |||
"The cemetery has roads to allow funeral cars and visitors, access. They are not public roads and an e-scooter should not be used in these places as they pose a risk to those using the facilities. You are bending yourself double to excuse the lacklustre effort of the police officer, along with the disrespect of a masked up e-scooter rider. I'm pointing out that the police officer didn't ask the guy on the scooter to stop. He wasn't suspected of assualt or theft as you alluded. The road had access to public traffic. There was a TV crew filming there even. He wasn't riding at high speed or erratically. I'd estimate he was doing about 12 mph. But it would have been risky for police officer to tackle him, not deadly risky obviously but still potentially pulled muscles and abrasions zone. Technically if it was a public road then some e-scooters aren't legal on them but the law is rarely enforced because it's a bit dumb as rented scooters are legal and E-bikes which are faster and heavier are also legal. If your argument was that it was an e-scooter enfringment then we could debate that but it seems to me you just don't like the look of him and are projecting on to him the anti-social issues that are dealt with in other segments of the video. " I didn't allude to the rider being guilty of assault or theft.. Riding an e-scooter through a cemetery is anti social behaviour, and illegal. The police officer embarrassed himself, he half heartedly attempted to intervene and did nothing to stop him. The scene even opened with the words that there are teams of officers on the beat to tackle anti social behaviour, then the masked up rider appears. The rider couldn't have cared less about that officer, such was his feeble attempt to communicate. I wouldn't have any trust in his abilities to enforce a parking notice on an irate driver. | |||
"So once the crims realise that zooming off will terminate the chase, what do you expect will happen the next time am officer tries to stop someone? Will they stop and politely hand themselves in, or will they zoom off, increasing the danger to those nearby? You seem to posulating that there is some kind of magical switch someone could flick between a chase accelerating and not. If the police chase then the likelihood is that it will develop into a high-speed dangerous pursuit no matter what. So rather than an intelligent surveillance based approach you are suggesting that the police should always endanger people in order to pursue car thieves at high speed where there is a good chance that the car will be a wreck at the end of the chase. " Another one gets away, it was a "taken" car, the driver was wearing a mask and they went 35 in 30, sir. Better luck next times Jones, we will get one sooner or later. in all seriousness, trained officers will pursue at high speeds if the conditions are right. The idea that the car would be totalled if chased by police is one sided, they don't speed and drive considerately in a taken car and they have no insurance! They need to be stopped. | |||
"I didn't allude to the rider being guilty of assault or theft." I was referring to you posting the following... "I wonder if those championing “do nothing to stop them” would feel the same if it was their loved ones assaulted or their belongings taken. I imagine they come over all faint at the mention of the castle doctrine." "Riding an e-scooter through a cemetery is anti social behaviour, and illegal. The police officer embarrassed himself, he half heartedly attempted to intervene and did nothing to stop him. The scene even opened with the words that there are teams of officers on the beat to tackle anti social behaviour, then the masked up rider appears. The rider couldn't have cared less about that officer, such was his feeble attempt to communicate. I wouldn't have any trust in his abilities to enforce a parking notice on an irate driver." I think this demonstrates how out of touch you are with the real problems many people face and a disturbing lack of respect for the police. | |||
" Yes, but that wont compute in the liberal world of "what if". The reason being is your added rhetoric about needles deaths, that is in your head alone, a made up consequence and all the justification needed to advocate no action.... " The *military* world trains people to stop, assess, think, and then act. (It's a bit more involved than that, such as ensuring you do not worsen the situation), but you get the drift. It's not a "liberal" thing, whatever that might be, and it's somewhat telling that your trying to conflate the two. | |||
"Another one gets away, it was a "taken" car, the driver was wearing a mask and they went 35 in 30, sir. Better luck next times Jones, we will get one sooner or later. in all seriousness, trained officers will pursue at high speeds if the conditions are right. The idea that the car would be totalled if chased by police is one sided, they don't speed and drive considerately in a taken car and they have no insurance! They need to be stopped." I think car theft has two major divisions. Young men wanting a thrill and professionals in it for the money. The first will probably target older cars with lower levels of security and will get caught more often than the latter as they'll be driving recklessely and showing off to their mates. The latter will target high-value cars with precision and probably be wearing smart clothing and driving very cautiously and are unlikely to ever be involved in police pursuits. Surveillance is probably the only way to crack such organised crime. | |||
"I didn't allude to the rider being guilty of assault or theft. I was referring to you posting the following... "I wonder if those championing “do nothing to stop them” would feel the same if it was their loved ones assaulted or their belongings taken. I imagine they come over all faint at the mention of the castle doctrine." Riding an e-scooter through a cemetery is anti social behaviour, and illegal. The police officer embarrassed himself, he half heartedly attempted to intervene and did nothing to stop him. The scene even opened with the words that there are teams of officers on the beat to tackle anti social behaviour, then the masked up rider appears. The rider couldn't have cared less about that officer, such was his feeble attempt to communicate. I wouldn't have any trust in his abilities to enforce a parking notice on an irate driver. I think this demonstrates how out of touch you are with the real problems many people face and a disturbing lack of respect for the police. " LOL You have backed yourself so tight into a liberal corner that you will change the focus as per usual. Enjoy the rest of the night digging that argumentative hole... | |||
" Yes, but that wont compute in the liberal world of "what if". The reason being is your added rhetoric about needles deaths, that is in your head alone, a made up consequence and all the justification needed to advocate no action.... The *military* world trains people to stop, assess, think, and then act. (It's a bit more involved than that, such as ensuring you do not worsen the situation), but you get the drift. It's not a "liberal" thing, whatever that might be, and it's somewhat telling that your trying to conflate the two." Are you being serious! You literally fabricated an end to the scooter story with an end of days scenario to prove your point that the police shouldn't pursue or tackle criminal behaviour. A source of food for the anti social thugs is this way of thinking. | |||
"Another one gets away, it was a "taken" car, the driver was wearing a mask and they went 35 in 30, sir. Better luck next times Jones, we will get one sooner or later. in all seriousness, trained officers will pursue at high speeds if the conditions are right. The idea that the car would be totalled if chased by police is one sided, they don't speed and drive considerately in a taken car and they have no insurance! They need to be stopped. I think car theft has two major divisions. Young men wanting a thrill and professionals in it for the money. The first will probably target older cars with lower levels of security and will get caught more often than the latter as they'll be driving recklessely and showing off to their mates. The latter will target high-value cars with precision and probably be wearing smart clothing and driving very cautiously and are unlikely to ever be involved in police pursuits. Surveillance is probably the only way to crack such organised crime. " You need to reassess your profiling skills. Car thieves stealing to order are masked and wearing the usual track suit / hoody uniform that comes with the job, along with the weapons needed to ensure that any attempt to prevent them taking a car is met with brutal force. I wont go into the house breaking if they can't autostart the vehicle. | |||
"You need to reassess your profiling skills. Car thieves stealing to order are masked and wearing the usual track suit / hoody uniform that comes with the job, along with the weapons needed to ensure that any attempt to prevent them taking a car is met with brutal force. I wont go into the house breaking if they can't autostart the vehicle." My understanding is that they use electronic tools to program remotes to open and start cars without setting off any alarm and then in the middle of the night they discreetly drive them away to a place where a mechanic takes them to bits in order to sell all the components. They no doubt wear a mask while initially taking the car but once they are out of the immediate area they'll look as respectable as the kind of person you would expect to be driving a high-end car. They are caught through surveillance techniques not by high-speed cop chases. | |||
"You need to reassess your profiling skills. Car thieves stealing to order are masked and wearing the usual track suit / hoody uniform that comes with the job, along with the weapons needed to ensure that any attempt to prevent them taking a car is met with brutal force. I wont go into the house breaking if they can't autostart the vehicle. My understanding is that they use electronic tools to program remotes to open and start cars without setting off any alarm and then in the middle of the night they discreetly drive them away to a place where a mechanic takes them to bits in order to sell all the components. They no doubt wear a mask while initially taking the car but once they are out of the immediate area they'll look as respectable as the kind of person you would expect to be driving a high-end car. They are caught through surveillance techniques not by high-speed cop chases. " They are not caught very often if at all, because they wear the same clothes as every other car thief, thug and masks making identifying them near impossible. They also do not drive miles and will have another car in support, and they will carry weapons. If they want a car and they cant get a signal from the remote, they will break into the house for the key. This is not high end theft by young Raffles, this is organised crime and violence. | |||
"So once the crims realise that zooming off will terminate the chase, what do you expect will happen the next time am officer tries to stop someone? Will they stop and politely hand themselves in, or will they zoom off, increasing the danger to those nearby?" "You seem to posulating that there is some kind of magical switch someone could flick between a chase accelerating and not. If the police chase then the likelihood is that it will develop into a high-speed dangerous pursuit no matter what." The switch is in the crim's head, if he thinks he can get away it, he'll run. I agree with you that if the police give pursuit it'll likely develop into a high-speed chase, but the alternative is to foster a culture where criminals have no fear of being caught. "So rather than an intelligent surveillance based approach ... " I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't develop intelligence on these people, they absolutely should do that. But they should also chase them if that will result in a capture. "... you are suggesting that the police should always endanger people in order to pursue car thieves at high speed where there is a good chance that the car will be a wreck at the end of the chase." It's not the police endangering people, it's the person that decides to drive off at speed. The criminal driver is the one causing the danger. And to be honest, if my car were nicked, I'd rather it was written-off. I wouldn't want it back after some idiot has thrashed it through the town bouncing off all the kerbs. | |||
"They are not caught very often if at all, because they wear the same clothes as every other car thief, thug and masks making identifying them near impossible. They also do not drive miles and will have another car in support, and they will carry weapons. If they want a car and they cant get a signal from the remote, they will break into the house for the key. This is not high end theft by young Raffles, this is organised crime and violence." Any professional outfit isn't going to risk breaking into a home to threaten the occupiers to get a key. It would involve way too much hassle and leave too much evidence. They'll risk the alarm being called and make the job much more difficult than it's worth. If they can't hack a car then smart professional criminals will simply move on to the next target. This is especially true if they want to risk exporting the entire car in one piece as they'll want to drive it straight out of the country before anyone knows it's even been taken. | |||
"They are not caught very often if at all, because they wear the same clothes as every other car thief, thug and masks making identifying them near impossible. They also do not drive miles and will have another car in support, and they will carry weapons. If they want a car and they cant get a signal from the remote, they will break into the house for the key. This is not high end theft by young Raffles, this is organised crime and violence. Any professional outfit isn't going to risk breaking into a home to threaten the occupiers to get a key. It would involve way too much hassle and leave too much evidence. They'll risk the alarm being called and make the job much more difficult than it's worth. If they can't hack a car then smart professional criminals will simply move on to the next target. This is especially true if they want to risk exporting the entire car in one piece as they'll want to drive it straight out of the country before anyone knows it's even been taken. " You don't know what you are talking about and are arguing purely on your gut feel for what you believe would be the most likely outcome. | |||
"The switch is in the crim's head, if he thinks he can get away it, he'll run. I agree with you that if the police give pursuit it'll likely develop into a high-speed chase, but the alternative is to foster a culture where criminals have no fear of being caught." But as I said earlier I don't think fear moderates the behaviour of young men. Think back to when you were a teenager or in your early twenties. "It's not the police endangering people, it's the person that decides to drive off at speed. The criminal driver is the one causing the danger." Although the criminal sets the ball rolling and is ultimately responsible, the two actions are linked. The police can break the link by only chasing when the risks are justified. "And to be honest, if my car were nicked, I'd rather it was written-off. I wouldn't want it back after some idiot has thrashed it through the town bouncing off all the kerbs." I can see that and people who have suffered break-ins to their home can take many years to recover psychologically. I'm in no way trying to minimize the impact of crime, I'm just trying to make rational arguments about how to deal with it. Punishment seems very attractive but it's not very effective. | |||
"You don't know what you are talking about and are arguing purely on your gut feel for what you believe would be the most likely outcome." I'm always open to learning new knitting patterns. | |||
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"You don't know what you are talking about and are arguing purely on your gut feel for what you believe would be the most likely outcome. I'm always open to learning new knitting patterns. " You have consciously shown your true colours again.... Shocker | |||
"Maybe people should make this the focal point of their "unite the kingdom" march? This is the problem with the country. Not a small number of a small group who come to the UK on boats." It is part of the problem. | |||
"The switch is in the crim's head, if he thinks he can get away it, he'll run. I agree with you that if the police give pursuit it'll likely develop into a high-speed chase, but the alternative is to foster a culture where criminals have no fear of being caught." "But as I said earlier I don't think fear moderates the behaviour of young men. Think back to when you were a teenager or in your early twenties." I agree, they don't have enough experience to develop the correct level of fear. But crashing a car in a chase because you're not as good a driver as you thought does indeed have an impact on a young life. As does spending a night in the cells, especially if your parents get called to come and collect you in the morning. Whereas letting them drive off teaches them that they have no need to consider consequences. "It's not the police endangering people, it's the person that decides to drive off at speed. The criminal driver is the one causing the danger." "Although the criminal sets the ball rolling and is ultimately responsible, the two actions are linked. The police can break the link by only chasing when the risks are justified." That's the same reasoning that leads to people using the phrase "she was asking for it". "I'm in no way trying to minimize the impact of crime, I'm just trying to make rational arguments about how to deal with it. Punishment seems very attractive but it's not very effective." I'm not suggesting that we should punish them any more than we currently do. But having our crime fighting force failing to stop crime means that they aren't any use as a deterrent. | |||
"I agree, they don't have enough experience to develop the correct level of fear. But crashing a car in a chase because you're not as good a driver as you thought does indeed have an impact on a young life. As does spending a night in the cells, especially if your parents get called to come and collect you in the morning. Whereas letting them drive off teaches them that they have no need to consider consequences." I agree with the basic idea that our actions should have consequences and that we can learn by our mistakes. But not everone does learn otherwise recidivism wouldn't be a word. It's difficult to convert a criminal into a well-rounded citizen no matter how hard we try. "That's the same reasoning that leads to people using the phrase "she was asking for it"." That seems a bit cheap. Ultimately my argument is about harm reduction. Risks are often worth taking but they should be proportionate. "I'm not suggesting that we should punish them any more than we currently do. But having our crime fighting force failing to stop crime means that they aren't any use as a deterrent." Again I return to my main thesis that fear (or deterrence) does not moderate the behaviour of young men. We need to focus on other mechanisms which is why I place so much emphasis on prevention rather than cure. | |||
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"There is a big problem in this country with treating criminals as victims. Trying to justify their actions in terms of “disadvantage” and blaming the state for not doing enough or not giving them enough. In reality they are just bad people who have realised that their actions have few consequences. Another problem is the paralysis of the police when faced with the possibility of a criminal injuring themselves due to their actions. So the police won’t chase and stop those illegal scooter and motorcycle riders. If they were chased and stopped using force then the problem would go away fairly quickly. If some of the criminals are injured, so what. Ride a bike or scooter illegally and fail to stop for the police then if they chase you and you fall off or are knocked off and are injured or die then it is entirely your fault. Communities rioting because some scrotes have died in a police chase is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with harshly as it shows complete disregard for the law. On the flip side, imagine you are pootling along in your little car, taking the gran and grandkids out for nice picnic. You round a bend and then slam head-on in to a "scrote" on a scooter/bike/car being chased by police. . The scores on the doors are 1 dead scrote, 1 dead gran, 2 severely injured grandkids, 1 totalled motor, 1 totalled scrote vehicle, and 1 injured pedestrian. . I think it's fair to say the police are going to ripped to shreds and taken to the cleaners and quite rightly too. . This is why the police do have to act with paralysis sometimes, because escalation can have terrible and tragic consequences. Costly consequences in terms of money and lives. And this is exactly why we have a society that is falling apart... People taking every situation to the worst case scenario with what if's, the end result is a paralysed police force, and thugs who don't play by the same rules. We need action that result in consequences, not endless liberal whataboutery. " I think it's called risk assessing, anticipating what could happen and mitigating those worst case scenarios from actually happening. Maybe some people are happy for those terrible, worst case scenarios to happen? | |||
"My OP was to highlight how out of control antisocial behaviour is. And the lack of respect and fear of authority that's rife in society not just kid's, but when we are seeing REGULAR cases of teens killing people just because... It's scary as hell. " i just don't see it anywhere so i'm not convinced. perhaps in a few shitholes maybe. but then shitholes have always suffered from shit parents | |||
"_oubleswing2019 makes a perfectly valid point. The instinct to lash out at young criminals is understandable but the police aren't f*cking idiots. They know that there can be unintended consequences to escalating situations. Sometimes they might underreact but things like high speed car chases are best left as entertainment in movies. I recall about 30 years ago, the police where I lived at the time routinely flew a helicopter chasing kids who had knicked cars. It was a crazy policy - dangerous, bloody annoying for regular folk because of the helicopter noise and search lights and it would have been cheaper for the police to just buy the victim a replacement car. I would like to see more highly-trained bobbies on bicycles cycling around neighbourhoods trying to get to know the local kids and engaging them in a bit of banter. Say one male and two female officers in a group so that they aren't easily overwhelmed but also don't present as a bullying threat. And for them to be part of a wider team so that they can call on experts in education, social care, sexual abuse, psychological councillng and so on when needed. Such a policy wouldn't be cheap nor would it be a panacea but I think it could have a very positive impact on neighbourhoods that are struggling with out of control teenagers. Absolutely. As you rightly say, it's not a panacea, but it is a multi-faceted approach to deal with various systemic issues. . Sadly, under-investment in law enforcement and associated joined-up agencies by successive governments has hollowed-out many of these initiatives. . In the mantra of delivering low taxation, services are pared back. WMC (Wealthy Middle Class) and above celebrate their low taxes, then get enraged when the 5th vehicle theft in a week in their leafy suburb pays a visit. . They reap what they sow. We all do, in fact. Alas, many don't seem to make the connection (or choose to ignore it)." What low taxation planet are you living on? Let us know so we can move there. Taxes have never been so high in decades. | |||
"My OP was to highlight how out of control antisocial behaviour is. And the lack of respect and fear of authority that's rife in society not just kid's, but when we are seeing REGULAR cases of teens killing people just because... It's scary as hell. i just don't see it anywhere so i'm not convinced. perhaps in a few shitholes maybe. but then shitholes have always suffered from shit parents " Well without wanting to sound rude I think you need to pull your head out of the sand and wake up and take notice of what's going on in the country. It's everywhere, you can't have missed the news story about the girl and the boy beating the old Indian man to death with a shoe?? | |||
" What low taxation planet are you living on? Let us know so we can move there. Taxes have never been so high in decades. " The country that has the highest taxes is the Ivory Coast (60%), according to statistics platform Data Panda's 2025 survey. Other countries with high taxes are Finland (56%), Japan (55%), Austria (55%), Denmark (55%), Sweden (52%), Aruba (52%), Belgium (50%), Israel (50%), and Slovenia (50%). . So we're not in that tranch above. To be fair though, even if we were in a Nordic model, I'd support it for all the social benefits enjoyed by everyone. (Eg, Sweden imposes a top income tax rate of 52.3% for high earners, which helps fund public transport and environmental initiatives. It also has a renowned welfare system, including free healthcare, tuition-free university education, and generous parental leave.) . So no, I don't consider the UK particularly high in those regards. Not when you look at other countries and how much they pay. | |||
"My OP was to highlight how out of control antisocial behaviour is. And the lack of respect and fear of authority that's rife in society not just kid's, but when we are seeing REGULAR cases of teens killing people just because... It's scary as hell. i just don't see it anywhere so i'm not convinced. perhaps in a few shitholes maybe. but then shitholes have always suffered from shit parents Well without wanting to sound rude I think you need to pull your head out of the sand and wake up and take notice of what's going on in the country. It's everywhere, you can't have missed the news story about the girl and the boy beating the old Indian man to death with a shoe?? " england sounds like a right shit pit ... hav | |||
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"Reading a very sad news story in local area of teens brazenly running riot in local high street in Southampton area. Not even remotely scared of police and mocking shop owners who are powerless to intervene as one is filmed stating " you can't lay a finger on me as I'll have you for assault" whilst stealing and smashing up shop's. This is the state of society entitled teens aware of the fact that anyone including the police are powerless. We have taken the power away from authority and given it to the irresponsible and immature. This is a nationwide issue. " Well its not, because it doesn't happen here. Its a Southampton issue, the parents need a dressing down. | |||
"Reading a very sad news story in local area of teens brazenly running riot in local high street in Southampton area. Not even remotely scared of police and mocking shop owners who are powerless to intervene as one is filmed stating " you can't lay a finger on me as I'll have you for assault" whilst stealing and smashing up shop's. This is the state of society entitled teens aware of the fact that anyone including the police are powerless. We have taken the power away from authority and given it to the irresponsible and immature. This is a nationwide issue. Well its not, because it doesn't happen here. Its a Southampton issue, the parents need a dressing down." Parents are probably too busy oot putting up flags and painting roundabaouts🤷♀️🙄 | |||
" ... Parents are probably too busy oot putting up flags and painting roundabaouts🤷♀️🙄" I'm told that they have 'Big Brother' to watch yet again, so that should keep them busy. | |||
"Reading a very sad news story in local area of teens brazenly running riot in local high street in Southampton area. Not even remotely scared of police and mocking shop owners who are powerless to intervene as one is filmed stating " you can't lay a finger on me as I'll have you for assault" whilst stealing and smashing up shop's. This is the state of society entitled teens aware of the fact that anyone including the police are powerless. We have taken the power away from authority and given it to the irresponsible and immature. This is a nationwide issue. " You can always leave | |||
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"Reading a very sad news story in local area of teens brazenly running riot in local high street in Southampton area. Not even remotely scared of police and mocking shop owners who are powerless to intervene as one is filmed stating " you can't lay a finger on me as I'll have you for assault" whilst stealing and smashing up shop's. This is the state of society entitled teens aware of the fact that anyone including the police are powerless. We have taken the power away from authority and given it to the irresponsible and immature. This is a nationwide issue. " Not sure this is just limited to the UK unfortunately, Mrs x | |||
