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"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at" Ok other than the first one (I’m familiar with people who claim Covid was a scam), I’m not entirely sure what you mean by the others and how they connect to one another. For example by “loss of cash” are you arguing that covid was a drain on the country’s economy? or are you claiming covid will lead to a cashless society? I doubt many will disagree that covid certainly cost a lot of money and much of it was wasted. I can’t change my mind if I’m not entirely sure what your thinking is and how you made those conclusions. Can you talk me through it? What’s your thinking behind: Covid was a scam = loss of cash = digital ID = 15 minute cities = impossible net zero | |||
"Are the people that call others, sheep……..just sheep themselves, just following other sheep, calling people sheep. Asking the important questions. " Don't know about that. But at least I can say I stood up for myself and refused the Vaxx. I still remember those who judged me for not "towing the line". | |||
"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Ok other than the first one (I’m familiar with people who claim Covid was a scam), I’m not entirely sure what you mean by the others and how they connect to one another. For example by “loss of cash” are you arguing that covid was a drain on the country’s economy? or are you claiming covid will lead to a cashless society? I doubt many will disagree that covid certainly cost a lot of money and much of it was wasted. I can’t change my mind if I’m not entirely sure what your thinking is and how you made those conclusions. Can you talk me through it? What’s your thinking behind: Covid was a scam = loss of cash = digital ID = 15 minute cities = impossible net zero " Not saying covid was a scam, im saying i believe it was made out to be lots worse than it actually was, and the opportunity was taken to try and get us to stop using cash. This only benefits the banks at the end of the day. This then leads onto digi id, as "may as well lump everything together" money, health records, work history etc.... and with the digi id, comes total monitoring. Where you go, what you buy, and if they look closely enough, the street on who you fucking, lives | |||
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"Are the people that call others, sheep……..just sheep themselves, just following other sheep, calling people sheep. Asking the important questions. Don't know about that. But at least I can say I stood up for myself and refused the Vaxx. I still remember those who judged me for not "toeing the line"." You do realise that your arguments are somewhat invalidated when you start to resort to childish name calling though. You’re resorting to the same stuff the other name callers do. They’re beyond reasonable discourse on the subject so just start flinging the usual stuff. “Plandemic” “Covidiots” “sheeple” and so on. | |||
"Somewhat puzzled by this reaction to digital ID's. Most of us have smartphones which can track us and contain probably far more data than the Government ID would require. Many of us give data voluntarily to social media platforms without really considering the consequences. How many people click accept on terms and conditions of service and use without reading what the company is allowed to do with our data? The Government already has a ton of data on us from NHS records, NI contributions, census data, HMRC data, Driving license and Passport etc etc. Can someone clearly articulate why a digital ID is going to be giving even more data away than we already do?" Because if this is accepted,next will be digital currency lined to digital ID.Then carbon credits,linked to spending."you have bought x amount meat,wine petrol,and used x units of electricity.You have reached your monthly allowance.You will no longer be able to purchase these items,until you next allocated income,reaches your account .Have a nice day😊" | |||
"Somewhat puzzled by this reaction to digital ID's. Most of us have smartphones which can track us and contain probably far more data than the Government ID would require. Many of us give data voluntarily to social media platforms without really considering the consequences. How many people click accept on terms and conditions of service and use without reading what the company is allowed to do with our data? The Government already has a ton of data on us from NHS records, NI contributions, census data, HMRC data, Driving license and Passport etc etc. Can someone clearly articulate why a digital ID is going to be giving even more data away than we already do?" Because the people who choose not to do what you stated, ie, have drivers license, passport socials and smart fones, are being forced to.... and lots of folk still prefer cash, and thatll be eradicated in time, so what you buy will be monitored.... oohhhh, yiuve bough 5 pints today, thats you going home now. Ooohh, you live in london, why are you spending money in leeds... extra fee for that. Hence the point of it leading to 15 minute cities | |||
"Somewhat puzzled by this reaction to digital ID's. Most of us have smartphones which can track us and contain probably far more data than the Government ID would require. Many of us give data voluntarily to social media platforms without really considering the consequences. How many people click accept on terms and conditions of service and use without reading what the company is allowed to do with our data? The Government already has a ton of data on us from NHS records, NI contributions, census data, HMRC data, Driving license and Passport etc etc. Can someone clearly articulate why a digital ID is going to be giving even more data away than we already do? Because if this is accepted,next will be digital currency lined to digital ID.Then carbon credits,linked to spending."you have bought x amount meat,wine petrol,and used x units of electricity.You have reached your monthly allowance.You will no longer be able to purchase these items,until you next allocated income,reaches your account .Have a nice day😊"" What is the evidence for any of that though? We are moving to a cashless society but that isn't being driven by Government that is being driven by us as consumers choosing to use contactless payments rather than cash. The banks also like it because they don't need to mess about with as much cash as they used too. As for your spending on food, electricity etc all that data is already there. Unless you don't use a bank, always pay cash, don't use loyalty cards then you are leaving a footprint for private businesses to collect and use data on you. The Government don't need an app to get that data. They could legislate to get it or just come to an agreement with the businesses to buy those data sets. | |||
"You do realise that your arguments are somewhat invalidated when you start to resort to childish name calling though. You’re resorting to the same stuff the other name callers do. They’re beyond reasonable discourse on the subject so just start flinging the usual stuff. “Plandemic” “Covidiots” “sheeple” and so on. " If you feel calling people "sheep" is name calling, then you are taking offense to a general observation on society on mass. If you do feel insulted at the term "sheep" then perhaps you feel it's being directed at yourself, which means you perhaps feel you fall under this category, which makes it your own choice. If I was to walk into a room full of people and say "Half of the people in here are idiots" would you take offense? And what if I said then "I'm sorry, half of you in this room are NOT idiots" would you feel better? | |||
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"Somewhat puzzled by this reaction to digital ID's. Most of us have smartphones which can track us and contain probably far more data than the Government ID would require. Many of us give data voluntarily to social media platforms without really considering the consequences. How many people click accept on terms and conditions of service and use without reading what the company is allowed to do with our data? The Government already has a ton of data on us from NHS records, NI contributions, census data, HMRC data, Driving license and Passport etc etc. Can someone clearly articulate why a digital ID is going to be giving even more data away than we already do?" I think the same as you. I dont understand the anti ID arguement. We already have digital ID. Driving licenses, being the main one. What additional info would this despised digital ID contain that isnt already on other forms of ID. | |||
"Somewhat puzzled by this reaction to digital ID's. Most of us have smartphones which can track us and contain probably far more data than the Government ID would require. Many of us give data voluntarily to social media platforms without really considering the consequences. How many people click accept on terms and conditions of service and use without reading what the company is allowed to do with our data? The Government already has a ton of data on us from NHS records, NI contributions, census data, HMRC data, Driving license and Passport etc etc. Can someone clearly articulate why a digital ID is going to be giving even more data away than we already do? Because the people who choose not to do what you stated, ie, have drivers license, passport socials and smart fones, are being forced to.... and lots of folk still prefer cash, and thatll be eradicated in time, so what you buy will be monitored.... oohhhh, yiuve bough 5 pints today, thats you going home now. Ooohh, you live in london, why are you spending money in leeds... extra fee for that. Hence the point of it leading to 15 minute cities" Unless you do everything 100% cash, including working cash in hand they already know a lot of this data about you. Are you saying you never use an app to buy something? Never use a club card to get cheaper prices? Never use ticket master to go to a concert? All of the data is being collected and used.. | |||
"You do realise that your arguments are somewhat invalidated when you start to resort to childish name calling though. You’re resorting to the same stuff the other name callers do. They’re beyond reasonable discourse on the subject so just start flinging the usual stuff. “Plandemic” “Covidiots” “sheeple” and so on. If you feel calling people "sheep" is name calling, then you are taking offense to a general observation on society on mass. If you do feel insulted at the term "sheep" then perhaps you feel it's being directed at yourself, which means you perhaps feel you fall under this category, which makes it your own choice. If I was to walk into a room full of people and say "Half of the people in here are idiots" would you take offense? And what if I said then "I'm sorry, half of you in this room are NOT idiots" would you feel better?" Don’t put words into my mouth. I made a statement. Where in there did I say I was offended? | |||
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"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at" Is this hust a random collection of grievances? It doesn't seem very coherent. Leave Tim Foil out of this. He's a good guy. | |||
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"You do realise that your arguments are somewhat invalidated when you start to resort to childish name calling though. You’re resorting to the same stuff the other name callers do. They’re beyond reasonable discourse on the subject so just start flinging the usual stuff. “Plandemic” “Covidiots” “sheeple” and so on. If you feel calling people "sheep" is name calling, then you are taking offense to a general observation on society on mass. If you do feel insulted at the term "sheep" then perhaps you feel it's being directed at yourself, which means you perhaps feel you fall under this category, which makes it your own choice. If I was to walk into a room full of people and say "Half of the people in here are idiots" would you take offense? And what if I said then "I'm sorry, half of you in this room are NOT idiots" would you feel better?" What utter false logic. Yes it is s name calling and intended as such. | |||
"On the face of it, I like the concept of 15 minute cities" Me too It’s just having essential stuff to live (and some leisure too) within 15 of wear you live, without having to rely on having a car. Guess some car shaggers can’t bear to live with there car sometimes. Let’s keep everything shit instead. | |||
"I was watching Blackbelt barristers take on their idea of digital IDs Taken from the government website The below will be linked to digital ID Passport Driving licence Medical records HMRC Employment history Bank information ( just for starters, in a video Yvette Cooper advises a government panel that the system will evolve to cover more areas of people's lives). Blackbelt barrister noticed in one section that for those who fill out tax returns will their forms pre populated with past and current financial information He's queried how would they be able to add current details unless they also have full access to banks accounts which is a massive overreach. It's possible as people in receipt of benefits can have their accounts monitored by dwp. He went onto say that he's had clients who filled their tax forms correctly but then hrmc advised incorrect and having taken hrmc to court they were proven right. So shows things can go massively wrong. Also everything will be held in a centralised area meanings it will be the holy grail for hackers. Just look at the recent military hacks " I think this is a genuine fear. I was watching a jmmy the giant video where he points out that whenever there is a crack down on immigration then immigration actually goes up. But society in general is heading the way of most dystopian fiction of government increasingly infantalising society to keep it safe. | |||
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"Don’t put words into my mouth. I made a statement. Where in there did I say I was offended?" You made a statement, I made an observation. You said I was using childish name calling. I used words like "if" and "perhaps" to describe your attitude. At no point did I say "You are offended." See the difference? | |||
"Are the people that call others, sheep……..just sheep themselves, just following other sheep, calling people sheep. Asking the important questions. " Every sheep to their own | |||
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"What utter false logic. Yes it is s name calling and intended as such. " Well, by this stage, I have heard so many names thrown my way in my lifetime, I know that it's only an insult if you let it be. Am I using the term "sheep" as a negative example? Sure, I am. If you feel I am targeting a specific group or people, that is your choice who that might be based on your opinion. You can either see yourself as the negative or the positive in life. I like to think when I call someone a sheep, I am referring to people who don't ask questions, and if you think that is name calling, I can't help you with that. | |||
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"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Ok other than the first one (I’m familiar with people who claim Covid was a scam), I’m not entirely sure what you mean by the others and how they connect to one another. For example by “loss of cash” are you arguing that covid was a drain on the country’s economy? or are you claiming covid will lead to a cashless society? I doubt many will disagree that covid certainly cost a lot of money and much of it was wasted. I can’t change my mind if I’m not entirely sure what your thinking is and how you made those conclusions. Can you talk me through it? What’s your thinking behind: Covid was a scam = loss of cash = digital ID = 15 minute cities = impossible net zero Not saying covid was a scam, im saying i believe it was made out to be lots worse than it actually was, and the opportunity was taken to try and get us to stop using cash. This only benefits the banks at the end of the day. This then leads onto digi id, as "may as well lump everything together" money, health records, work history etc.... and with the digi id, comes total monitoring. Where you go, what you buy, and if they look closely enough, the street on who you fucking, lives" Do you have a driving licence, passport, phone, loyalty cards? | |||
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 . Nobody is being targeted for permanent restraint, within a 15 minutes area
You could have thrown in Brexit too, though that's a real substantial hit to quality of life and the economy 
Though I'm against these ID cards | |||
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"I am always surprised at people who think they are so important, that politicians who are always working full time to climbing the sleazy political ladder, and trying to find strategies or sleaze on opponents. That these busy people have the time and desire to find out what Joe is buying in his groceries or where Jane goes to get her hair done." So... Not meaning to feed any ridiculous conspiracy nonsense, but... It's now technologically possibly to scan absolutely everything about everyone, without expending very much effort at all. Google and Amazon do it already, as does China, with Russia and Turkey trying very hard to get there, too (as well as other governments). A government with a sinister agenda could actually very easily use this information as a tool for control. On the flip side, this could be used to anticipate and guide government support and services. We will get there within fifty years (without question). Let's hope it's for the good and not for the bad. | |||
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"I would love to live in a 15minute city. Could you imagine all the services and facilities you need conveniently located? What's the problem here?" When I walk 15 minutes to the edge of my city, can I cross to another 15 minute sector, would I need my I.D? Could I use the amenities of the nearest 15 minute sector like health care if I crossed into it? If the school in my sector didn't cater for my Childs needs could I use another sector amenities. It is a distraction which will never work. | |||
"Dunno what the issue is, if you are above board and doing nothing wrong having an ID card is no hardship. " That is the standard reply, to a question as such, I am doing nothing wrong, so what's the issue. The issue is I.D cards have been seen to cause issues with law abiding people being turn into criminals for refusing to comply, simply due to not wanting to give power to those who abuse it. | |||
"I would love to live in a 15minute city. Could you imagine all the services and facilities you need conveniently located? What's the problem here? When I walk 15 minutes to the edge of my city, can I cross to another 15 minute sector, would I need my I.D? Could I use the amenities of the nearest 15 minute sector like health care if I crossed into it? If the school in my sector didn't cater for my Childs needs could I use another sector amenities. It is a distraction which will never work." I think if you have said anything the government doesn’t like then you probably won’t be allowed out of your zone. You could probably get a social credit by retracting what you said and posting something positive about the government a few times. If you keep saying things which aren’t allowed then healthcare will probably be withdrawn or you won’t be able to buy any food and that’s nobody’s fault but yours. I guess private service providers wont bother providing services in some sectors because there won’t be any way of making any money. They’ll probably just focus on the more affluent areas. | |||
"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at" Covid wasn't a scam. The only scams were the PPE contacts and the huge sums of taxpayer money syphoned off into donor pockets. Cash still exists and always will. Has anyone suddenly been prevented from taking a tenner out of a cashpoint? Or walking into a bank and making a withdrawal? Have 15 minute cities sprung up across the country? I honestly don't think most who use those words even have a clue what they mean. I'm not a fan of AI generated answers to questions, but can anyone tell me what is negative about this? "In the UK, the 15-minute city concept is an urban planning model for creating neighbourhoods where residents can access daily essentials, jobs, and services within a 15-minute walk or bike ride, reducing reliance on cars and promoting sustainability and community. While the model aims to boost local economies and improve quality of life, it has become a subject of controversy, with some public officials and conspiracy theorists misrepresenting the concept as an attempt to restrict movement or control people's lives." Net zero isn't just an idea plucked out of nowhere. It's no different to promoting positive actions as we did when phasing out CFC's to reverse the damage to the ozone layer in the 80's. And some of the crap I've read about proposed digital ID's is hilarious. Still waiting for one local muppet on Facey to explain to me the social credit scoring system that is apparently due to be launched imminently. All I asked was for an example of any country where digital ID exists and has done for years that has implemented it, or for him to explain what he believes the system in China to include (clue....it's no different to credit scoring in relation to financial services and a criminal records check for employment and travel). 🤔 So no. Tin foil hats are still out there and I've no issue in calling them out. | |||
"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Covid wasn't a scam. The only scams were the PPE contacts and the huge sums of taxpayer money syphoned off into donor pockets. Cash still exists and always will. Has anyone suddenly been prevented from taking a tenner out of a cashpoint? Or walking into a bank and making a withdrawal? Have 15 minute cities sprung up across the country? I honestly don't think most who use those words even have a clue what they mean. I'm not a fan of AI generated answers to questions, but can anyone tell me what is negative about this? "In the UK, the 15-minute city concept is an urban planning model for creating neighbourhoods where residents can access daily essentials, jobs, and services within a 15-minute walk or bike ride, reducing reliance on cars and promoting sustainability and community. While the model aims to boost local economies and improve quality of life, it has become a subject of controversy, with some public officials and conspiracy theorists misrepresenting the concept as an attempt to restrict movement or control people's lives." Net zero isn't just an idea plucked out of nowhere. It's no different to promoting positive actions as we did when phasing out CFC's to reverse the damage to the ozone layer in the 80's. And some of the crap I've read about proposed digital ID's is hilarious. Still waiting for one local muppet on Facey to explain to me the social credit scoring system that is apparently due to be launched imminently. All I asked was for an example of any country where digital ID exists and has done for years that has implemented it, or for him to explain what he believes the system in China to include (clue....it's no different to credit scoring in relation to financial services and a criminal records check for employment and travel). 🤔 So no. Tin foil hats are still out there and I've no issue in calling them out. " Simply saying that we had it before and we rejected it because it made law abiding people in to law breakers. | |||
"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Covid wasn't a scam. The only scams were the PPE contacts and the huge sums of taxpayer money syphoned off into donor pockets. Cash still exists and always will. Has anyone suddenly been prevented from taking a tenner out of a cashpoint? Or walking into a bank and making a withdrawal? Have 15 minute cities sprung up across the country? I honestly don't think most who use those words even have a clue what they mean. I'm not a fan of AI generated answers to questions, but can anyone tell me what is negative about this? "In the UK, the 15-minute city concept is an urban planning model for creating neighbourhoods where residents can access daily essentials, jobs, and services within a 15-minute walk or bike ride, reducing reliance on cars and promoting sustainability and community. While the model aims to boost local economies and improve quality of life, it has become a subject of controversy, with some public officials and conspiracy theorists misrepresenting the concept as an attempt to restrict movement or control people's lives." Net zero isn't just an idea plucked out of nowhere. It's no different to promoting positive actions as we did when phasing out CFC's to reverse the damage to the ozone layer in the 80's. And some of the crap I've read about proposed digital ID's is hilarious. Still waiting for one local muppet on Facey to explain to me the social credit scoring system that is apparently due to be launched imminently. All I asked was for an example of any country where digital ID exists and has done for years that has implemented it, or for him to explain what he believes the system in China to include (clue....it's no different to credit scoring in relation to financial services and a criminal records check for employment and travel). 🤔 So no. Tin foil hats are still out there and I've no issue in calling them out. Simply saying that we had it before and we rejected it because it made law abiding people in to law breakers." Had what? Rejected what? Who were made to be law breakers? | |||
"I would love to live in a 15minute city. Could you imagine all the services and facilities you need conveniently located? What's the problem here? " It's one of the reasons I chose to live where I do. Railway station - 5 mins away Doctors - 15 mins away dentist - 10 mins away hospital - 20 mins away (ok that's a bit further) shops - 10 mins away beach - 5 mins away lots of pubs - 5 mins away what's not to like? | |||
"I would love to live in a 15minute city. Could you imagine all the services and facilities you need conveniently located? What's the problem here? It's one of the reasons I chose to live where I do. Railway station - 5 mins away Doctors - 15 mins away dentist - 10 mins away hospital - 20 mins away (ok that's a bit further) shops - 10 mins away beach - 5 mins away lots of pubs - 5 mins away what's not to like?" And I bet you're still allowed to travel more than 15 minutes and visit other places without being stopped and asked for your passport.....😉😂😂 | |||
"I would love to live in a 15minute city. Could you imagine all the services and facilities you need conveniently located? What's the problem here? It's one of the reasons I chose to live where I do. Railway station - 5 mins away Doctors - 15 mins away dentist - 10 mins away hospital - 20 mins away (ok that's a bit further) shops - 10 mins away beach - 5 mins away lots of pubs - 5 mins away what's not to like? And I bet you're still allowed to travel more than 15 minutes and visit other places without being stopped and asked for your passport.....😉😂😂 " If I sneak out the back way so the border guards don't see me...  | |||
"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Covid wasn't a scam. The only scams were the PPE contacts and the huge sums of taxpayer money syphoned off into donor pockets. Cash still exists and always will. Has anyone suddenly been prevented from taking a tenner out of a cashpoint? Or walking into a bank and making a withdrawal? Have 15 minute cities sprung up across the country? I honestly don't think most who use those words even have a clue what they mean. I'm not a fan of AI generated answers to questions, but can anyone tell me what is negative about this? "In the UK, the 15-minute city concept is an urban planning model for creating neighbourhoods where residents can access daily essentials, jobs, and services within a 15-minute walk or bike ride, reducing reliance on cars and promoting sustainability and community. While the model aims to boost local economies and improve quality of life, it has become a subject of controversy, with some public officials and conspiracy theorists misrepresenting the concept as an attempt to restrict movement or control people's lives." Net zero isn't just an idea plucked out of nowhere. It's no different to promoting positive actions as we did when phasing out CFC's to reverse the damage to the ozone layer in the 80's. And some of the crap I've read about proposed digital ID's is hilarious. Still waiting for one local muppet on Facey to explain to me the social credit scoring system that is apparently due to be launched imminently. All I asked was for an example of any country where digital ID exists and has done for years that has implemented it, or for him to explain what he believes the system in China to include (clue....it's no different to credit scoring in relation to financial services and a criminal records check for employment and travel). 🤔 So no. Tin foil hats are still out there and I've no issue in calling them out. Simply saying that we had it before and we rejected it because it made law abiding people in to law breakers. Had what? Rejected what? Who were made to be law breakers? " put this in your search engine and your questions will be answered. "When the British fought off ID cards" This was brought up under Blairs government and was rejected then. | |||
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"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Covid wasn't a scam. The only scams were the PPE contacts and the huge sums of taxpayer money syphoned off into donor pockets. Cash still exists and always will. Has anyone suddenly been prevented from taking a tenner out of a cashpoint? Or walking into a bank and making a withdrawal? Have 15 minute cities sprung up across the country? I honestly don't think most who use those words even have a clue what they mean. I'm not a fan of AI generated answers to questions, but can anyone tell me what is negative about this? "In the UK, the 15-minute city concept is an urban planning model for creating neighbourhoods where residents can access daily essentials, jobs, and services within a 15-minute walk or bike ride, reducing reliance on cars and promoting sustainability and community. While the model aims to boost local economies and improve quality of life, it has become a subject of controversy, with some public officials and conspiracy theorists misrepresenting the concept as an attempt to restrict movement or control people's lives." Net zero isn't just an idea plucked out of nowhere. It's no different to promoting positive actions as we did when phasing out CFC's to reverse the damage to the ozone layer in the 80's. And some of the crap I've read about proposed digital ID's is hilarious. Still waiting for one local muppet on Facey to explain to me the social credit scoring system that is apparently due to be launched imminently. All I asked was for an example of any country where digital ID exists and has done for years that has implemented it, or for him to explain what he believes the system in China to include (clue....it's no different to credit scoring in relation to financial services and a criminal records check for employment and travel). 🤔 So no. Tin foil hats are still out there and I've no issue in calling them out. Simply saying that we had it before and we rejected it because it made law abiding people in to law breakers. Had what? Rejected what? Who were made to be law breakers? put this in your search engine and your questions will be answered. "When the British fought off ID cards" This was brought up under Blairs government and was rejected then." I mean.....there's not much to compare really. One was a plastic card with biometric data and the other is a purely digital ID document, now possible given the rise of smartphones and technological improvements. Apparently 57% of the population are in favour of ID for all. If 52% can get us out of Europe then surely the majority should get what they want? I mean....that's democracy in action, right? 🤔🤷♂️ | |||
"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Covid wasn't a scam. The only scams were the PPE contacts and the huge sums of taxpayer money syphoned off into donor pockets. Cash still exists and always will. Has anyone suddenly been prevented from taking a tenner out of a cashpoint? Or walking into a bank and making a withdrawal? Have 15 minute cities sprung up across the country? I honestly don't think most who use those words even have a clue what they mean. I'm not a fan of AI generated answers to questions, but can anyone tell me what is negative about this? "In the UK, the 15-minute city concept is an urban planning model for creating neighbourhoods where residents can access daily essentials, jobs, and services within a 15-minute walk or bike ride, reducing reliance on cars and promoting sustainability and community. While the model aims to boost local economies and improve quality of life, it has become a subject of controversy, with some public officials and conspiracy theorists misrepresenting the concept as an attempt to restrict movement or control people's lives." Net zero isn't just an idea plucked out of nowhere. It's no different to promoting positive actions as we did when phasing out CFC's to reverse the damage to the ozone layer in the 80's. And some of the crap I've read about proposed digital ID's is hilarious. Still waiting for one local muppet on Facey to explain to me the social credit scoring system that is apparently due to be launched imminently. All I asked was for an example of any country where digital ID exists and has done for years that has implemented it, or for him to explain what he believes the system in China to include (clue....it's no different to credit scoring in relation to financial services and a criminal records check for employment and travel). 🤔 So no. Tin foil hats are still out there and I've no issue in calling them out. Simply saying that we had it before and we rejected it because it made law abiding people in to law breakers. Had what? Rejected what? Who were made to be law breakers? put this in your search engine and your questions will be answered. "When the British fought off ID cards" This was brought up under Blairs government and was rejected then. I mean.....there's not much to compare really. One was a plastic card with biometric data and the other is a purely digital ID document, now possible given the rise of smartphones and technological improvements. Apparently 57% of the population are in favour of ID for all. If 52% can get us out of Europe then surely the majority should get what they want? I mean....that's democracy in action, right? 🤔🤷♂️" Due to the belief that I.D cards would somehow stop the boats, which is propaganda. In other words we have to carry theses cards with all our data on it, to catch those boat people why? Why not a card with my photo name address no other info needed. Starmers chief of staff has implicated him in a donations scandal and an investigation has been demanded, so look this way whilst they whitewash the other situation. | |||
"Those who claim the government is going to build systems to control us are usually the same people who observe that the government is a bloated, wasteful, incompetent bureaucracy. Have you seen the state of the IT systems that this bureaucracy builds? They are truly abysmal. The government is riddled with standalone data silos and systems that are incapable of talking to each other. Even if the government did want to do what people fear it would cost them so much money to build and take them so long that it just won’t happen." What do you think these talks and building investment in ai is for! The fear of this is from looking over at china where millions are de banked and heavily controlled, you say the wrong thing online bla bla bla you can no longer buy food or fuel etc! They’ve recently arrested and charged Katie Hopkins for calling herself a spazz, this country is heading down a dark road! | |||
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"So folk got crucified for saying covid was a scam, and saying itll lead to loss of cash, which it slowly is.. and now we could be forced into digital id, which i believe will in the long run,lead to 15 minute cities, all in the aim of reaching the impossible target of net zero. Has anyone who called folk tim foil, chainged their minds and realised theres a huge picture to look at Covid wasn't a scam. The only scams were the PPE contacts and the huge sums of taxpayer money syphoned off into donor pockets. Cash still exists and always will. Has anyone suddenly been prevented from taking a tenner out of a cashpoint? Or walking into a bank and making a withdrawal? Have 15 minute cities sprung up across the country? I honestly don't think most who use those words even have a clue what they mean. I'm not a fan of AI generated answers to questions, but can anyone tell me what is negative about this? "In the UK, the 15-minute city concept is an urban planning model for creating neighbourhoods where residents can access daily essentials, jobs, and services within a 15-minute walk or bike ride, reducing reliance on cars and promoting sustainability and community. While the model aims to boost local economies and improve quality of life, it has become a subject of controversy, with some public officials and conspiracy theorists misrepresenting the concept as an attempt to restrict movement or control people's lives." Net zero isn't just an idea plucked out of nowhere. It's no different to promoting positive actions as we did when phasing out CFC's to reverse the damage to the ozone layer in the 80's. And some of the crap I've read about proposed digital ID's is hilarious. Still waiting for one local muppet on Facey to explain to me the social credit scoring system that is apparently due to be launched imminently. All I asked was for an example of any country where digital ID exists and has done for years that has implemented it, or for him to explain what he believes the system in China to include (clue....it's no different to credit scoring in relation to financial services and a criminal records check for employment and travel). 🤔 So no. Tin foil hats are still out there and I've no issue in calling them out. Simply saying that we had it before and we rejected it because it made law abiding people in to law breakers. Had what? Rejected what? Who were made to be law breakers? put this in your search engine and your questions will be answered. "When the British fought off ID cards" This was brought up under Blairs government and was rejected then. I mean.....there's not much to compare really. One was a plastic card with biometric data and the other is a purely digital ID document, now possible given the rise of smartphones and technological improvements. Apparently 57% of the population are in favour of ID for all. If 52% can get us out of Europe then surely the majority should get what they want? I mean....that's democracy in action, right? 🤔🤷♂️ Due to the belief that I.D cards would somehow stop the boats, which is propaganda. In other words we have to carry theses cards with all our data on it, to catch those boat people why? Why not a card with my photo name address no other info needed. Starmers chief of staff has implicated him in a donations scandal and an investigation has been demanded, so look this way whilst they whitewash the other situation." Ah. So it's all a distraction then? Much like Farage announcing and unworkable and uncosted migration policy on Monday and then a couple of days later he's got everyone talking about paracetamol, autism and people eating swans? 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂😂 | |||
"Those who claim the government is going to build systems to control us are usually the same people who observe that the government is a bloated, wasteful, incompetent bureaucracy. Have you seen the state of the IT systems that this bureaucracy builds? They are truly abysmal. The government is riddled with standalone data silos and systems that are incapable of talking to each other. Even if the government did want to do what people fear it would cost them so much money to build and take them so long that it just won’t happen. What do you think these talks and building investment in ai is for! The fear of this is from looking over at china where millions are de banked and heavily controlled, you say the wrong thing online bla bla bla you can no longer buy food or fuel etc! They’ve recently arrested and charged Katie Hopkins for calling herself a spazz, this country is heading down a dark road!" You know 'debanking' just refers to a bank removing people's ability to hold or open an account, usually due to criminality or prior/existing bad debt? It happens here too and has for decades. It's not some government intervention just because they don'tlole someone. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/11/china-violent-clashes-at-protest-over-frozen-rural-bank-accounts | |||
" Why not a card with my photo name address no other info needed. " Why, what else will be on it ? | |||
"Apart from some hokum, I haven't seen anything claim that you'd be confined to the city where you live " Surely they will include a facility to pay extra to move outside one's own city? | |||
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"I was watching Blackbelt barristers take on their idea of digital IDs Taken from the government website The below will be linked to digital ID Passport Driving licence Medical records HMRC Employment history Bank information ( just for starters, in a video Yvette Cooper advises a government panel that the system will evolve to cover more areas of people's lives). Blackbelt barrister noticed in one section that for those who fill out tax returns will their forms pre populated with past and current financial information He's queried how would they be able to add current details unless they also have full access to banks accounts which is a massive overreach. It's possible as people in receipt of benefits can have their accounts monitored by dwp. He went onto say that he's had clients who filled their tax forms correctly but then hrmc advised incorrect and having taken hrmc to court they were proven right. So shows things can go massively wrong. Also everything will be held in a centralised area meanings it will be the holy grail for hackers. Just look at the recent military hacks " You do know all your data, from all those places you mentioned is already stored 'digitally', so what 'actual' difference does an ID card make? Passports and Drivers licences use, biometrics for your photos, thats digital. Your tax records are held digitally, and HMRC can access your employment details. Ask anyone claiming benefits how the know exactly how much your partner earns if you are making a 'joint' claim but only one of you is unemployed. This means that HMRC has access to a digital copy of your employment and employment record already. Banks and all our accounts are digital right now. And why would having a digital ID mean you might be prohibited from spending your money? Limits on 'carbon' footprints and the like is just fantasy scaremongering. Big business and the banks wouldn't want that, a restriction on trade? Come on thats just not going to happen in our Capatilist society. So cannot see the "real' issues with it. We are already digital or do you think all the information on us is hand written on little pieces of paper? Mrs x | |||
"I was watching Blackbelt barristers take on their idea of digital IDs Taken from the government website The below will be linked to digital ID Passport Driving licence Medical records HMRC Employment history Bank information ( just for starters, in a video Yvette Cooper advises a government panel that the system will evolve to cover more areas of people's lives). Blackbelt barrister noticed in one section that for those who fill out tax returns will their forms pre populated with past and current financial information He's queried how would they be able to add current details unless they also have full access to banks accounts which is a massive overreach. It's possible as people in receipt of benefits can have their accounts monitored by dwp. He went onto say that he's had clients who filled their tax forms correctly but then hrmc advised incorrect and having taken hrmc to court they were proven right. So shows things can go massively wrong. Also everything will be held in a centralised area meanings it will be the holy grail for hackers. Just look at the recent military hacks You do know all your data, from all those places you mentioned is already stored 'digitally', so what 'actual' difference does an ID card make? Passports and Drivers licences use, biometrics for your photos, thats digital. Your tax records are held digitally, and HMRC can access your employment details. Ask anyone claiming benefits how the know exactly how much your partner earns if you are making a 'joint' claim but only one of you is unemployed. This means that HMRC has access to a digital copy of your employment and employment record already. Banks and all our accounts are digital right now. And why would having a digital ID mean you might be prohibited from spending your money? Limits on 'carbon' footprints and the like is just fantasy scaremongering. Big business and the banks wouldn't want that, a restriction on trade? Come on thats just not going to happen in our Capatilist society. So cannot see the "real' issues with it. We are already digital or do you think all the information on us is hand written on little pieces of paper? Mrs x" I was all for it at one point, but not at all sure they are a good idea right now. The mood of the government and over-reach of the police is a contributing factor to this. I can see online digital services requiring the digital ID number to authenticate in the future. I can see how that would be used to track everything you do, and close down the things you do, especially now the country has become far more authoritarian without the use of such a tool. The reason for the card itself will have no impact on people working here illegally, either, so I'm sceptical why that was floated. | |||
"I was watching Blackbelt barristers take on their idea of digital IDs Taken from the government website The below will be linked to digital ID Passport Driving licence Medical records HMRC Employment history Bank information ( just for starters, in a video Yvette Cooper advises a government panel that the system will evolve to cover more areas of people's lives). Blackbelt barrister noticed in one section that for those who fill out tax returns will their forms pre populated with past and current financial information He's queried how would they be able to add current details unless they also have full access to banks accounts which is a massive overreach. It's possible as people in receipt of benefits can have their accounts monitored by dwp. He went onto say that he's had clients who filled their tax forms correctly but then hrmc advised incorrect and having taken hrmc to court they were proven right. So shows things can go massively wrong. Also everything will be held in a centralised area meanings it will be the holy grail for hackers. Just look at the recent military hacks You do know all your data, from all those places you mentioned is already stored 'digitally', so what 'actual' difference does an ID card make? Passports and Drivers licences use, biometrics for your photos, thats digital. Your tax records are held digitally, and HMRC can access your employment details. Ask anyone claiming benefits how the know exactly how much your partner earns if you are making a 'joint' claim but only one of you is unemployed. This means that HMRC has access to a digital copy of your employment and employment record already. Banks and all our accounts are digital right now. And why would having a digital ID mean you might be prohibited from spending your money? Limits on 'carbon' footprints and the like is just fantasy scaremongering. Big business and the banks wouldn't want that, a restriction on trade? Come on thats just not going to happen in our Capatilist society. So cannot see the "real' issues with it. We are already digital or do you think all the information on us is hand written on little pieces of paper? Mrs x" They are all digital records yes but held on three or four different platforms , the only thing would be all held on one system means the hacker only has to be lucky once then can get everyone in the countries data all at once .  | |||
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"The plus side is that a minority of people don't have passports or driving licenses and it's often a hassle for them to prove ID, so a free card might be handy for them. On the negative side it's probably going to mean some private business making a massive profit from the taxpayer for doing not very much. The security risks of a digital ID card are minimal, we are already tracked in just about every way possible. Both the government and hackers already have access to this information." Mrs x | |||
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"If you would like to explain how covid was a scam to my dead parents, love to hear what you have to say." it was a scam o. How it was sold that it was a danger to absolutley everyone,not saying it wasn't dangerous to some but for the majority of people it wasnt | |||
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"The best foil to wear on your head is from M & S. it’s much stronger than Aldi or tescos " Oh you rich bitch haha, Mrs x | |||
"If you would like to explain how covid was a scam to my dead parents, love to hear what you have to say.it was a scam o. How it was sold that it was a danger to absolutley everyone,not saying it wasn't dangerous to some but for the majority of people it wasnt" It was not "sold" as "a danger to absolutely everyone". That was literally never the messaging. See, it's really hard to take this narrative seriously when the people pushing it invariably turn out to have even the most basic facts completely wrong. | |||
"The best foil to wear on your head is from M & S. it’s much stronger than Aldi or tescos " Kirkland, from Costco. Much, much thicker. | |||
" They are all digital records yes but held on three or four different platforms , the only thing would be all held on one system means the hacker only has to be lucky once then can get everyone in the countries data all at once . "It never ceases to amaze, every time someone brings up the "inefficiency as security" argument. Love it. | |||
"Always interesting to see conspiracy theorists at work. Wait, did I say interesting? I mean depressing. Mostly because it's never original. It's always the same thing. "These people I don't like have done this thing that annoyed me but it can't be for a good reason so I've convinced myself it's all part of a massive covert international multi-agency plan to manipulate society in a way that doesn't make any sense but is definitely evil and also I know all about this big secret despite being uneducated and dim and having access to no better sources of information formation than the people I accuse of being sheep for having the audacity to go about their lives in a normal fashion rather than spend all their time watching videos made by people who sell workout supplements." Like, get a fucking life, guys." It's the fact that they killed off all the compliant idiots with a poisoned vaccine and left the radical thinkers that seek to bring down governments. That's what I can't get my head round. | |||
"The best foil to wear on your head is from M & S. it’s much stronger than Aldi or tescos " I have a friend who's convinced that the elites are out to poison us all. He'll only shop at M&S and Waitrose, on the basis that it's where the elites themselves do their shopping, which is a fair conclusion if his first theory is correct. | |||
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"The budget isn't out yet but there's gossip of pay per mile tax on electric vehicles too." I was going to make a comment saying that they won't introduce pay per mile as it currently isn't possible, but then I remembered how connected the current Labour party is to reality. | |||
"The budget isn't out yet but there's gossip of pay per mile tax on electric vehicles too. I was going to make a comment saying that they won't introduce pay per mile as it currently isn't possible, but then I remembered how connected the current Labour party is to reality." All new cars have spyware telemetry installed so it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility to use that. Most new cars are serviced by main dealers for warranty purposes and once they get to 3 years old they need an MOT so again it is easy. | |||
"The budget isn't out yet but there's gossip of pay per mile tax on electric vehicles too. I was going to make a comment saying that they won't introduce pay per mile as it currently isn't possible, but then I remembered how connected the current Labour party is to reality." It must eventually happen, but they'd be jumping the gun if they do it within five years. | |||
"The best foil to wear on your head is from M & S. it’s much stronger than Aldi or tescos I have a friend who's convinced that the elites are out to poison us all. He'll only shop at M&S and Waitrose, on the basis that it's where the elites themselves do their shopping, which is a fair conclusion if his first theory is correct." Brilliant | |||
"The budget isn't out yet but there's gossip of pay per mile tax on electric vehicles too." "I was going to make a comment saying that they won't introduce pay per mile as it currently isn't possible, but then I remembered how connected the current Labour party is to reality." "All new cars have spyware telemetry installed so it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility to use that. Most new cars are serviced by main dealers for warranty purposes and once they get to 3 years old they need an MOT so again it is easy." New cars do have telemetry, but it's very simple to prevent the car reporting it. It's also in the manufacturer's proprietary format, and the chances of getting them to release all the details is pretty low. Plus of course, it's easy to fake, and therefore easy to challenge in court. | |||
"The budget isn't out yet but there's gossip of pay per mile tax on electric vehicles too." "I was going to make a comment saying that they won't introduce pay per mile as it currently isn't possible, but then I remembered how connected the current Labour party is to reality." "It must eventually happen, but they'd be jumping the gun if they do it within five years." Sadly, yes it is inevitable. But as you say, not for this government. | |||
" New cars do have telemetry, but it's very simple to prevent the car reporting it. It's also in the manufacturer's proprietary format, and the chances of getting them to release all the details is pretty low. Plus of course, it's easy to fake, and therefore easy to challenge in court." Cars don't necessarily report this with telemetry. Users can opt out of information sharing altogether. MOT or self reporting are the only viable immediate options at the moment. Since 2018, all cars sold in the EU have required a connected SIM and communication module - few people know that. | |||
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