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"only takes a seed to start a revolution" I'm in! | |||
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"This is great for the block list! " Speak for yourself This is how I’m finding people to add to my hotlist | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. " The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂 | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Speak for yourself This is how I’m finding people to add to my hotlist " Absolutely this! | |||
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"Hope you don’t mind me adding you all to my hotlist! Empathy for your fellow humans is very sexy" But the left are the least tolerant and empathetic lot going 😂 | |||
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"Hope you don’t mind me adding you all to my hotlist! Empathy for your fellow humans is very sexy But the left are the least tolerant and empathetic lot going 😂" 🎣🥱 | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂" I'm not the one looking for threads I'm not interested in and making my little points like a big, brave forum edgelord. | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂" You’re the one who said you’d be blocking people…. And look up the paradox of tolerance… if you tolerate the intolerant, it leads to the destruction of tolerance | |||
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"Wouldn't this be better suited in the politics section? As someone who is centre left politically, and consider myself more a liberal, I'm probably not "leftie" enough for your group, but I always have been and always will be skeptical of people who swing too far on either side of the political spectrum (no matter how well your intentions are)" I'm looking for left wing people to fuck. I guess that could go in a a few sections here. | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂 You’re the one who said you’d be blocking people…. And look up the paradox of tolerance… if you tolerate the intolerant, it leads to the destruction of tolerance " So we shouldn't tolerate the woke lot? Got it 😁 | |||
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"This is great for the block list! " Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?! | |||
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"Well i certainly do not watch GB news, and i always try to see the bigger picture, but I also think all our politicians are only in it for themselves and those close to them." This is a very dangerous attitude, and is exactly what the likes of Reform have used to gain traction. Proclaim all politicians are the same, then portray themselves as different and a legitimate alternative. Similar to Trumps “clear the swamp” | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂" Are you not being a hypocrite though as it was you who first announced: "I'm gonna block people for having an opinion that isn’t mine"? 
Why don’t you try just finding some common ground with people instead of being tribal? | |||
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"Well i certainly do not watch GB news, and i always try to see the bigger picture, but I also think all our politicians are only in it for themselves and those close to them. This is a very dangerous attitude, and is exactly what the likes of Reform have used to gain traction. Proclaim all politicians are the same, then portray themselves as different and a legitimate alternative. Similar to Trumps “clear the swamp”" Dangerous is the people trying to burn down hotels with immigrants in them The last thing my attitude is, is dangerous. Not to your liking yeah, but not dangerous. | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?!" I'm sorry to intervene here, but this type of attitude creates division and exclusivity (which does not match a Liberal ideology)...it's like saying fab is only for people like you, and those who are not like you shouldn't engage with the website at all - not very inclusive | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?! I'm sorry to intervene here, but this type of attitude creates division and exclusivity (which does not match a Liberal ideology)...it's like saying fab is only for people like you, and those who are not like you shouldn't engage with the website at all - not very inclusive "  | |||
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"Well i certainly do not watch GB news, and i always try to see the bigger picture, but I also think all our politicians are only in it for themselves and those close to them. This is a very dangerous attitude, and is exactly what the likes of Reform have used to gain traction. Proclaim all politicians are the same, then portray themselves as different and a legitimate alternative. Similar to Trumps “clear the swamp”" Exactly what Corbyn did though isn't it, despite being a prep school educated, white, male, multi millionaire, career politician who grew up in a manor house. Not to mention that despite being 'the face of kinder politics', he was endorsed by the vile Nick Griffin of the BNP in 2017. Polanski of the Greens (not his real name), used to charge women hundreds of pounds telling them his hipnotherapy (sic) could make their breasts larger until he got caught out in a newspaper sting..... Caveat Emptor applies to all politicians, regardless of their political flavour. | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?! I'm sorry to intervene here, but this type of attitude creates division and exclusivity (which does not match a Liberal ideology)...it's like saying fab is only for people like you, and those who are not like you shouldn't engage with the website at all - not very inclusive " Yes, I was more pointing out the hypocrisy of traditional right wing views. ‘Family is the cornerstone of society’ & so on. By being on a site like this, by definition, you aren’t being right wing are you? | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?! I'm sorry to intervene here, but this type of attitude creates division and exclusivity (which does not match a Liberal ideology)...it's like saying fab is only for people like you, and those who are not like you shouldn't engage with the website at all - not very inclusive " Well to be honest you both seem a bit misled. I just need to add; a lot of people use “liberal” today as shorthand for socially progressive, left, woke etc. Yet historically liberalism meant something very different. The term originated from early political language; the Whigs, who developed into the 'Liberal Party' in the 19th century. Their philosophy was rooted in classical liberalism: free markets, individual rights, and limited government... sound familiar to anyone? Nigel farage, Donald Trump? Very different from how people use “liberal” in everyday talk now (imo this is by design to divide people but I digress) The main rivals of the whigs were the Tories (later Conservatives), who were traditionally aligned with landowners, the established church, and preserving hierarchy. So when we argue about “liberals vs conservatives” today, we’re not really talking about the same thing that the words originally meant. Politics has shifted, and the language along with it, but the midset hasn't and this is where the confusion sets in. | |||
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"A desire to improve the world, or an orgy of echo? Wouldn't the best course of action for the politically charged swinger be to evangelise their ideology to the widest possible audience? It seems a waste to keep the message exclusively amongst like-minded people. Swinging offers such an opportunity for people to see beyond divisions, to find common understanding amidst the prevailing polarisation. To not just preach tolerance, but to live it. Of course, nobody should feel forced to engage sexually (or verbally) with people to whom they're not attracted, and political leaning can be a point of attraction or repulsion, but it is a pity to see political/ideological elitism at play." But how do you unify people who feel they're backed into a corner over their beliefs? | |||
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"This was a nice thread until the troll(s) arrived. Good try, OP. "Agreed, shame it got moved to the politics forum too, although I can see why it did | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?! I'm sorry to intervene here, but this type of attitude creates division and exclusivity (which does not match a Liberal ideology)...it's like saying fab is only for people like you, and those who are not like you shouldn't engage with the website at all - not very inclusive " And this is exactly why I avoid these kind of people. Many "woke" people just seem to be looking for reasons to exclude.. which goes against what they supposedly stand for. I can't stand hypocrites. | |||
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" And this is exactly why I avoid these kind of people. Many "woke" people just seem to be looking for reasons to exclude.. which goes against what they supposedly stand for. I can't stand hypocrites. ""I won't sleep with someone because they believe in X political view" Very close to: "I won't sleep with someone because they hold X religious view" Leads to: "I won't sleep with someone because they are from X culture, unless they reject the views of that culture" Adjacent to/conflates with: "I won't sleep with someone from this background or race" ...all justified by "I am just not attracted to X (politics/culture/religion/race) sexually" It's all fair enough, really, but it's two sides of the same coin of intolerance. | |||
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" And this is exactly why I avoid these kind of people. Many "woke" people just seem to be looking for reasons to exclude.. which goes against what they supposedly stand for. I can't stand hypocrites.
"I won't sleep with someone because they believe in X political view"
Very close to: "I won't sleep with someone because they hold X religious view"
Leads to: "I won't sleep with someone because they are from X culture, unless they reject the views of that culture"
Adjacent to/conflates with: "I won't sleep with someone from this background or race"
...all justified by "I am just not attracted to X (politics/culture/religion/race) sexually"
It's all fair enough, really, but it's two sides of the same coin of intolerance."And of course doesn’t have to be a case of absolutes. I’d f**k Priti Patel if she’d let me though I don’t like the woman’s politics. Probably wouldn’t choose her as a life partner though. | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle." When it comes to political arguments, some people treat religions as equivalent to race in specific circumstances depending on their convenience. Yet, Scientology rarely gets that privilege 🤷♂️ | |||
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"This is great for the block list! " Wow, being triggered by a forum thread. How very snowflake of you. | |||
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" And this is exactly why I avoid these kind of people. Many "woke" people just seem to be looking for reasons to exclude.. which goes against what they supposedly stand for. I can't stand hypocrites.
"I won't sleep with someone because they believe in X political view"
Very close to: "I won't sleep with someone because they hold X religious view"
Leads to: "I won't sleep with someone because they are from X culture, unless they reject the views of that culture"
Adjacent to/conflates with: "I won't sleep with someone from this background or race"
...all justified by "I am just not attracted to X (politics/culture/religion/race) sexually"
It's all fair enough, really, but it's two sides of the same coin of intolerance."Not really. I know I won't get along with some people because of their political views and beliefs, regardless of aesthetics, physical characteristics or any other visually identifiable trait. That's irrelevant to their ethnicity and religion. If I don't get on with someone then I don't want to fuck them. Simple as that. As for religion? If that religion has beliefs relating to views I don't like and they're a strict follower, then (aside from the fact they'll be hypocrites for even being a swinger) then again, I'm unlikely to get on with them. Again, that religious belief will be irrelevant to aesthetics, political beliefs and ethnicity. Then we get to your last point about race/background. Neither is important to me unless they fall into the category of people I won't get on with based on the above. You're trying to isolate individual aspects - political stance, religion or race/ethnicity. Life doesn't work like that for most people you'd class as 'liberal', 'left leaning' or 'woke'. We (and yes, I mean 'me' but also plenty of other similarly minded people I know) don't give a monkeys about someone's politics, religion or race, as long as you're a pleasant, respectful, empathetic, open minded person that's not bigoted or hateful, doesn't see themselves as superior to others, doesn't stereotype a group based on the actions of a minority and most importantly, can base their beliefs and views on facts, evidence and reality, rather than BS they read on Facey, what lying politicians and activists tell them and who don't live their lives by 'morals'and 'codes' that are exclusionary rather than inclusive. It's not intolerant to not tolerate the intolerant. It's no different to not wanting to debate or argue with someone closed minded. It's pointless and a waste of time and effort. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle." Nope. Anyone who claims to be a true Muslim or Christian who lives their lives according to their religious text would never be on here. You can be from a Muslim or Christian background of course, and practice no religion. That's different. But it's like saying 'I don't eat meat because I'm a vegetarian' whilst having a sneaky bacon sandwich every weekend. If your claiming to practice a religion where extra/non marital sex is 'against the rules' and you're here doing just that, then you're just cherry picking which parts of that belief system you want to follow. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?! I'm sorry to intervene here, but this type of attitude creates division and exclusivity (which does not match a Liberal ideology)...it's like saying fab is only for people like you, and those who are not like you shouldn't engage with the website at all - not very inclusive Yes, I was more pointing out the hypocrisy of traditional right wing views. ‘Family is the cornerstone of society’ & so on. By being on a site like this, by definition, you aren’t being right wing are you?" What does that have to do with the initial comment? Why would you assume someone is right wing or far right, just because they made a sarcastic comment? The majority of people are not far right or far left, they are centrists when it comes to politics or are fluid when it comes to political issues...most people don't see themselves as woke or lefties even though they might hold liberal views. Maybe the person who made the initial comment just thinks it's a bit cringe to call yourself a leftie or woke, or that someone who calls themselves "woke" and wants to be inclusive to other people creates a thread where they are excluding other people...I mean, we don't want to put people in boxes, but here we are putting people in boxes | |||
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"This was a nice thread until the troll(s) arrived. Good try, OP. "Always the way | |||
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"Hope you don’t mind me adding you all to my hotlist! Empathy for your fellow humans is very sexy But the left are the least tolerant and empathetic lot going 😂" Whine Whine Whine ....blocked | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle. Nope. Anyone who claims to be a true Muslim or Christian who lives their lives according to their religious text would never be on here. You can be from a Muslim or Christian background of course, and practice no religion. That's different. But it's like saying 'I don't eat meat because I'm a vegetarian' whilst having a sneaky bacon sandwich every weekend. If your claiming to practice a religion where extra/non marital sex is 'against the rules' and you're here doing just that, then you're just cherry picking which parts of that belief system you want to follow. 🤷♂️" Are you saying that Muslims who are in fab swingers aren't real Muslims? | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle. Nope. Anyone who claims to be a true Muslim or Christian who lives their lives according to their religious text would never be on here. You can be from a Muslim or Christian background of course, and practice no religion. That's different. But it's like saying 'I don't eat meat because I'm a vegetarian' whilst having a sneaky bacon sandwich every weekend. If your claiming to practice a religion where extra/non marital sex is 'against the rules' and you're here doing just that, then you're just cherry picking which parts of that belief system you want to follow. 🤷♂️ Are you saying that Muslims who are in fab swingers aren't real Muslims?" I'm no scholar of the Quran but I suspect swinging might be Haram. | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle. Nope. Anyone who claims to be a true Muslim or Christian who lives their lives according to their religious text would never be on here. You can be from a Muslim or Christian background of course, and practice no religion. That's different. But it's like saying 'I don't eat meat because I'm a vegetarian' whilst having a sneaky bacon sandwich every weekend. If your claiming to practice a religion where extra/non marital sex is 'against the rules' and you're here doing just that, then you're just cherry picking which parts of that belief system you want to follow. 🤷♂️ Are you saying that Muslims who are in fab swingers aren't real Muslims? I'm no scholar of the Quran but I suspect swinging might be Haram." That's a fair take. I am not criticising the view itself. But making such blanket statements about Islam is usually frowned upon by the progressive types who are proud of being woke. If they do agree that it's a fair take, then it must be ok for people to put up "I won't meet/date Muslims" in their dating app profiles. But that's Islamophobia according to the same progressives. | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Arguably you shouldn’t even be here, surely as a Conservative type you shouldn’t be engaging with a swinging site full of liberal types?! I'm sorry to intervene here, but this type of attitude creates division and exclusivity (which does not match a Liberal ideology)...it's like saying fab is only for people like you, and those who are not like you shouldn't engage with the website at all - not very inclusive Yes, I was more pointing out the hypocrisy of traditional right wing views. ‘Family is the cornerstone of society’ & so on. By being on a site like this, by definition, you aren’t being right wing are you? What does that have to do with the initial comment? Why would you assume someone is right wing or far right, just because they made a sarcastic comment? The majority of people are not far right or far left, they are centrists when it comes to politics or are fluid when it comes to political issues...most people don't see themselves as woke or lefties even though they might hold liberal views. Maybe the person who made the initial comment just thinks it's a bit cringe to call yourself a leftie or woke, or that someone who calls themselves "woke" and wants to be inclusive to other people creates a thread where they are excluding other people...I mean, we don't want to put people in boxes, but here we are putting people in boxes " How do you know it was a sarcastic comment? People can choose whether to f**k someone or not based on having or not having compatible political views, that is a preference they are absolutely entitled to as an individual, whether they be left or right wing. Just the same as any other ‘preference’ you could think of, sexual or non sexual. All that matters is what the two parties (or more, if you are being really kinky) deem to be acceptable to them before they get it on. Fwiw, I don’t care too much personally on a superficial basis, already pointed out I wouldn’t have a problem foregoing my own political preferences to having a bit of no strings jiggy jiggy with a Tory. I probably wouldn’t hang around for long afterwards though. Ymmv. | |||
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" Life doesn't work like that for most people you'd class as 'liberal', 'left leaning' or 'woke'. We (and yes, I mean 'me' but also plenty of other similarly minded people I know) don't give a monkeys about someone's politics, religion or race, as long as you're a pleasant, respectful, empathetic, open minded person that's not bigoted or hateful, doesn't see themselves as superior to others, doesn't stereotype a group based on the actions of a minority and most importantly, can base their beliefs and views on facts, evidence and reality..." Perhaps. But the sentiment of the OP is one of exclusion: "I only share my body with people who share my values." It's not an issue of "pleasant, respectful, empathetic", unless those terms are being defined as "values that I hold", in this case articulated as "leftie/woke". | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle. Nope. Anyone who claims to be a true Muslim or Christian who lives their lives according to their religious text would never be on here. You can be from a Muslim or Christian background of course, and practice no religion. That's different. But it's like saying 'I don't eat meat because I'm a vegetarian' whilst having a sneaky bacon sandwich every weekend. If your claiming to practice a religion where extra/non marital sex is 'against the rules' and you're here doing just that, then you're just cherry picking which parts of that belief system you want to follow. 🤷♂️ Are you saying that Muslims who are in fab swingers aren't real Muslims? I'm no scholar of the Quran but I suspect swinging might be Haram. That's a fair take. I am not criticising the view itself. But making such blanket statements about Islam is usually frowned upon by the progressive types who are proud of being woke. If they do agree that it's a fair take, then it must be ok for people to put up "I won't meet/date Muslims" in their dating app profiles. But that's Islamophobia according to the same progressives. " As above. If you're practicing a religion that essentially says swinging, extra/pre marital sex is a big 'no no' then yes, it's hypocritical surely to claim to be a follower of that religion and not adhere to it's 'rules'. That's not me being judgmental. I have the utmost respect for people that have beliefs that they follow. I simply find it odd when people pick and choose which bits apply to them. And let's not specifically link it to Islam. Christianity, Judaism and most regions per se would not approve of swingers. I disagree with your 'won't date/meet Muslims' comment on dating sites though. Dating/meeting doesn't automatically lead to breaking any of the religious rules you choose to follow. So no. That's not OK. | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle. Nope. Anyone who claims to be a true Muslim or Christian who lives their lives according to their religious text would never be on here. You can be from a Muslim or Christian background of course, and practice no religion. That's different. But it's like saying 'I don't eat meat because I'm a vegetarian' whilst having a sneaky bacon sandwich every weekend. If your claiming to practice a religion where extra/non marital sex is 'against the rules' and you're here doing just that, then you're just cherry picking which parts of that belief system you want to follow. 🤷♂️ Are you saying that Muslims who are in fab swingers aren't real Muslims? I'm no scholar of the Quran but I suspect swinging might be Haram. That's a fair take. I am not criticising the view itself. But making such blanket statements about Islam is usually frowned upon by the progressive types who are proud of being woke. If they do agree that it's a fair take, then it must be ok for people to put up "I won't meet/date Muslims" in their dating app profiles. But that's Islamophobia according to the same progressives. As above. If you're practicing a religion that essentially says swinging, extra/pre marital sex is a big 'no no' then yes, it's hypocritical surely to claim to be a follower of that religion and not adhere to it's 'rules'. That's not me being judgmental. I have the utmost respect for people that have beliefs that they follow. I simply find it odd when people pick and choose which bits apply to them. And let's not specifically link it to Islam. Christianity, Judaism and most regions per se would not approve of swingers. I disagree with your 'won't date/meet Muslims' comment on dating sites though. Dating/meeting doesn't automatically lead to breaking any of the religious rules you choose to follow. So no. That's not OK. " Why is it not ok? If someone who likes swinging or likes drinking alcohol puts up in their dating profile that they won't meet Muslims, what's wrong with that? Or maybe, they just don't like anything that Quran says. Why is it wrong for them to say they won't meet Muslims? | |||
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"vote Reform " . Ooh, this is like shaking bugs out of a blanket. So satisfying 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"How can you trust someone if they have polar opposite views to you about important subjects? " You seem to be a mature, intelligent and compassionate person. You said that you used to be a Zionist, but are no longer. For many people who identify as woke, that would have been a deal breaker. But you were probably still a mature, intelligent and compassionate person back then, as well. Perhaps if we step out of our echo chambers and give people on "the other side" a chance, we will not just promote tolerance, but find common ground and have a positive influence on each other. Once upon a time, this kind of thinking would have been considered "woke". | |||
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"Why is it not ok? If someone who likes swinging or likes drinking alcohol puts up in their dating profile that they won't meet Muslims, what's wrong with that? Or maybe, they just don't like anything that Quran says. Why is it wrong for them to say they won't meet Muslims?" I guess it's down to concepts like politeness and not wanting to promote stereotyping. Although at one level you could argue that it's no different to saying that one won't meet men, smokers, anyone over the age of 50 or someone with lots of tattoos, in reality it's a bit more like saying one won't meet Jews. It might not be entirely rational argument but saying you won't meet Muslims gives the impression of targeting a particular group of people in a way that's simultaneously narrow (in not applying the same standard to other conservative religions) and wide (in implying that all Muslims are the same). If you said you didn't want to meet anyone would didn't drink or who was overly religious then that would be a polite way to put it without implying that all Muslims don't drink or are overly religious when in fact some do drink and see Islam as more of a cultural identity than something that defines their entire being. In the same way that say Christians may identify as Christian but have varying attitudes to the teachings of their faith. | |||
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"How can you trust someone if they have polar opposite views to you about important subjects? You seem to be a mature, intelligent and compassionate person. You said that you used to be a Zionist, but are no longer. For many people who identify as woke, that would have been a deal breaker. But you were probably still a mature, intelligent and compassionate person back then, as well. Perhaps if we step out of our echo chambers and give people on "the other side" a chance, we will not just promote tolerance, but find common ground and have a positive influence on each other. Once upon a time, this kind of thinking would have been considered "woke"." Careful now, thats an even handed approach, wouldn't want to be accused of being a centrist now 🤣 | |||
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" How can you trust someone if they have polar opposite views to you about important subjects? " On important subjects, sure. But for most people, politics is not an important subject. In my extended family, I know of some couples who have radically opposite political views but are happy together. One of my aunts intentionally voted for the party opposite to the one that my uncle votes for, just to piss him off. Life for them, is far bigger than politics. | |||
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" It might not be entirely rational argument but saying you won't meet Muslims gives the impression of targeting a particular group of people in a way that's simultaneously narrow (in not applying the same standard to other conservative religions) and wide (in implying that all Muslims are the same). " The same argument applies for political views too. There are numerous differences in views among right wingers. Depending on why you do not want to meet right wingers, you can be accused of targeting a group in a way that's simultaneously narrow and wide. Alternatively, it's also easy to find characteristics which are specific to Islam. If someone doesn't like that, why can't they say they won't meet Muslims. Maybe someone is ok dating a non-drinker who doesn't drink due to their wellbeing goals but aren't willing to date a non-drinker who doesn't drink because of religious reasons. Can that person say in the dating app that they won't date Muslims? " If you said you didn't want to meet anyone would didn't drink or who was overly religious then that would be a polite way to put it without implying that all Muslims don't drink or are overly religious when in fact some do drink and see Islam as more of a cultural identity than something that defines their entire being. " See the above posts. According to the above poster, you can't be a Muslim if you are swinging. Pretty sure the same argument applies for drinking too. | |||
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"You seem to be a mature, intelligent and compassionate person. You said that you used to be a Zionist, but are no longer. For many people who identify as woke, that would have been a deal breaker. But you were probably still a mature, intelligent and compassionate person back then, as well. Perhaps if we step out of our echo chambers and give people on "the other side" a chance, we will not just promote tolerance, but find common ground and have a positive influence on each other. Once upon a time, this kind of thinking would have been considered "woke"." Thanks for the kind words. I'm not sure I deserve them. When I was a young Zionist I didn't have much insight into the opposing position. I was extremely sympathetic to the plight of Jews like many people of my generation but I hadn't given any real consideration for the consequences of the Zionist movement on many people living in Palestine. I was ignorant and it wasn't until I became sickened by the racism of many fellow Zionists against Arabs that I began to be more curious. You make an excellent argument for open debate. And such dialogue is something I enjoy and seek out as I value having my assumptions challenged. However, intimate relations (especially in BDSM) aren't the same as having open debate and respect for people with opposing views. Intimate relations are far more personal and the mutual trust element is at the core of it. If a potential partner/playmate sees important concepts in a totally different way to me it would be extremely difficult to form a deep connection. | |||
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"Wouldn’t count myself as a leftie or a rightie, but have a thing for basic human decency and supporting others less fortunate. "
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"On important subjects, sure. But for most people, politics is not an important subject. In my extended family, I know of some couples who have radically opposite political views but are happy together. One of my aunts intentionally voted for the party opposite to the one that my uncle votes for, just to piss him off. Life for them, is far bigger than politics." I know that most people have little interest in politics, but for me it's one of several subjects that I am deeply interested in. So I have no problem with people not interested in politics but there would be a lack of connection between us. "The same argument applies for political views too. There are numerous differences in views among right wingers. Depending on why you do not want to meet right wingers, you can be accused of targeting a group in a way that's simultaneously narrow and wide." I've never come across a "cultural right-winger". Someone who identifies as right-wing does so because they have right-wing beliefs not because they come from a right-wing community. "Alternatively, it's also easy to find characteristics which are specific to Islam. If someone doesn't like that, why can't they say they won't meet Muslims. Maybe someone is ok dating a non-drinker who doesn't drink due to their wellbeing goals but aren't willing to date a non-drinker who doesn't drink because of religious reasons. Can that person say in the dating app that they won't date Muslims?" Personally, I don't think there should be any rule against someone saying they won't meet Muslims. "See the above posts. According to the above poster, you can't be a Muslim if you are swinging. Pretty sure the same argument applies for drinking too." My guess is that you (and possibly the other poster) have never had a night out on the town with a Muslim friend in Amsterdam! | |||
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" I've never come across a "cultural right-winger". Someone who identifies as right-wing does so because they have right-wing beliefs not because they come from a right-wing community. " That's not my point though. "Right wing beliefs" isn't a single set of beliefs. There is a lot of variance in beliefs amongst the right wingers. And there is overlap in their beliefs with centrists or even left wingers. This is the crux of the issue: Political ideologies and religious ideologies are both belief systems at the end of the day with lots of overlaps and differences. Progressives say that it's ok to say "I won't meet someone following X political ideology" but it's not ok to say the same with religious ideology. This moral framework is self contradictory. And this is not the only self contradiction problem in their moral framework either. Hence they would rather cancel people like Richard Dawkins, instead of debating with him and having these contradictions exposed. The far right aren't any different in this either. " Personally, I don't think there should be any rule against someone saying they won't meet Muslims. " Sure there shouldn't be and there are no rules about it. But the progressive types typically consider this behaviour Islamophobia which is what I mentioned in my post you replied to. " My guess is that you (and possibly the other poster) have never had a night out on the town with a Muslim friend in Amsterdam!" The other poster made that statement. I was just showing them the implications of that statement. You have to take this with them. | |||
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"That's not my point though. "Right wing beliefs" isn't a single set of beliefs. There is a lot of variance in beliefs amongst the right wingers. And there is overlap in their beliefs with centrists or even left wingers. This is the crux of the issue: Political ideologies and religious ideologies are both belief systems at the end of the day with lots of overlaps and differences. Progressives say that it's ok to say "I won't meet someone following X political ideology" but it's not ok to say the same with religious ideology. This moral framework is self contradictory. And this is not the only self contradiction problem in their moral framework either. Hence they would rather cancel people like Richard Dawkins, instead of debating with him and having these contradictions exposed. The far right aren't any different in this either." I agree that "right-wing" is a simplistic term and that in reality people have complex positions. The left-right dimension being only one of many proposed parametric dimensions. However when someone identifies as left, centre or right it generally comes with a bunch of associated ideas. I always think of the old French arrangement of the National Assembly as broadly indicative of positions. So I'm almost certain that I will disagree with multiple positions of someone who describes themselves as on the right. We've discussed Dawkins before. I personally don't think he has anything interesting to say outside of evolutionary biology but obviously he should be allowed to do his thing. | |||
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" We've discussed Dawkins before. I personally don't think he has anything interesting to say outside of evolutionary biology but obviously he should be allowed to do his thing." He's interesting if for no other reason then the invention of the word (and concept) "meme"... | |||
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" However when someone identifies as left, centre or right it generally comes with a bunch of associated ideas. " Same applies for religions too. When someone says they follow Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Scientology, it comes with a bunch of associated ideas. Why is it ok to say that you won't date someone following a political ideology but not ok to say you won't date someone following a religious ideology? " We've discussed Dawkins before. I personally don't think he has anything interesting to say outside of evolutionary biology but obviously he should be allowed to do his thing." That's your personal opinion, sure. But progressives who cancel him instead of debating him or just ignoring him have no rights calling themselves intellectuals. | |||
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" We've discussed Dawkins before. I personally don't think he has anything interesting to say outside of evolutionary biology but obviously he should be allowed to do his thing. He's interesting if for no other reason then the invention of the word (and concept) "meme"..." The tweet that got him cancelled: "In 2015, Rachel Dolezal, a white chapter president of NAACP, was vilified for identifying as Black. Some men choose to identify as women, and some women choose to identify as men. You will be vilified if you deny that they literally are what they identify as. Discuss." He even replied to the tweet clarifying: "I do not intend to disparage trans people. I see that my academic “Discuss” question has been misconstrued as such and I deplore this. It was also not my intent to ally in any way with Republican bigots in US now exploiting this issue ." Apparently not good enough for the progressives who already started their witch hunt | |||
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" Apparently not good enough for the progressives who already started their witch hunt "So now the religious right AND the progressive left don't like him? Hilarious. He must be doing something right. | |||
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"Same applies for religions too. When someone says they follow Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Scientology, it comes with a bunch of associated ideas. Why is it ok to say that you won't date someone following a political ideology but not ok to say you won't date someone following a religious ideology?" I think there's a slight difference between someone saying they are a Muslim and someone saying they follow Islam. In the same way that there's a slight difference between someone saying they are a Christian and someone saying they follow Christianity. But otherwise you are pushing hard against an open door. | |||
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So now the religious right AND the progressive left don't like him? Hilarious. He must be doing something right."Yeah that tweet thread was quite fun to read | |||
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" I think there's a slight difference between someone saying they are a Muslim and someone saying they follow Islam. In the same way that there's a slight difference between someone saying they are a Christian and someone saying they follow Christianity. But otherwise you are pushing hard against an open door." Depends really. I have seen people say "I am an atheist. I come from a Hindu family". Many people don't say "I am a Hindu" if they don't follow it. But even if we work with your assumption, the progressives would still be considered Islamophobia if someone says, "I won't date anyone who follows Islam". | |||
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"So now the religious right AND the progressive left don't like him? Hilarious. He must be doing something right." I suspect you already know that that's called the middle ground or argumentum ad temperantiam fallacy. | |||
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"Someone who says "I only share my body with people who share my values,", where those values are "woke" is effectively saying "I will never sleep with a Muslim who doesn't renounce (at least some core aspects of) their religion". Which is, of course, an anti-woke position to take. It's hard to square that circle. Nope. Anyone who claims to be a true Muslim or Christian who lives their lives according to their religious text would never be on here. You can be from a Muslim or Christian background of course, and practice no religion. That's different. But it's like saying 'I don't eat meat because I'm a vegetarian' whilst having a sneaky bacon sandwich every weekend. If your claiming to practice a religion where extra/non marital sex is 'against the rules' and you're here doing just that, then you're just cherry picking which parts of that belief system you want to follow. 🤷♂️ Are you saying that Muslims who are in fab swingers aren't real Muslims? I'm no scholar of the Quran but I suspect swinging might be Haram. That's a fair take. I am not criticising the view itself. But making such blanket statements about Islam is usually frowned upon by the progressive types who are proud of being woke. If they do agree that it's a fair take, then it must be ok for people to put up "I won't meet/date Muslims" in their dating app profiles. But that's Islamophobia according to the same progressives. As above. If you're practicing a religion that essentially says swinging, extra/pre marital sex is a big 'no no' then yes, it's hypocritical surely to claim to be a follower of that religion and not adhere to it's 'rules'. That's not me being judgmental. I have the utmost respect for people that have beliefs that they follow. I simply find it odd when people pick and choose which bits apply to them. And let's not specifically link it to Islam. Christianity, Judaism and most regions per se would not approve of swingers. I disagree with your 'won't date/meet Muslims' comment on dating sites though. Dating/meeting doesn't automatically lead to breaking any of the religious rules you choose to follow. So no. That's not OK. Why is it not ok? If someone who likes swinging or likes drinking alcohol puts up in their dating profile that they won't meet Muslims, what's wrong with that? Or maybe, they just don't like anything that Quran says. Why is it wrong for them to say they won't meet Muslims?" Because you could simply put 'won't meet people who drink alcohol or swing'. Plenty of non muslims don't drink. Plenty of non muslims don't swing. Why single out muslims unless theres another reason you don't want to meet them? 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Depends really. I have seen people say "I am an atheist. I come from a Hindu family". Many people don't say "I am a Hindu" if they don't follow it. But even if we work with your assumption, the progressives would still be considered Islamophobia if someone says, "I won't date anyone who follows Islam"." It's kind of blindingly obvious if you've spent any time with people who call themselves Muslims that they don't all share the same views. Just like loads of people call themselves Christians but know very little about Christianity and only go to church for weddings and funerals etc. While some Christians are really really keen. You are assuming that all progressives think the same way. I think some progressives would just conclude that someone who said "I won't date anyone who follows Islam" was a bit of a knob. | |||
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" Because you could simply put 'won't meet people who drink alcohol or swing'. " You could also simply put "I won't date people who don't believe trans women should be allowed in women sports" or "I won't date anyone who has a specific views on a specific issue" instead of saying "I won't date right wingers" " Plenty of non muslims don't drink. Plenty of non muslims don't swing. " Plenty of non-right-wingers don't believe trans women shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. " Why single out muslims unless theres another reason you don't want to meet them? 🤷♂️" Why single out right wingers unless theres another reason you don't want to meet them? 🤷♂️ | |||
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"So now the religious right AND the progressive left don't like him? Hilarious. He must be doing something right. I suspect you already know that that's called the middle ground or argumentum ad temperantiam fallacy. " It's not. You either didn't read his tweet clearly or you don't know what this fallacy really means. | |||
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" It's kind of blindingly obvious if you've spent any time with people who call themselves Muslims that they don't all share the same views. Just like loads of people call themselves Christians but know very little about Christianity and only go to church for weddings and funerals etc. While some Christians are really really keen. " Just like not all right wingers have the same views, like left wingers. So again, why is it ok to say I won't date someone who follows a political ideology, but not ok to say you won't date someone who follows a religious ideology? " You are assuming that all progressives think the same way. I think some progressives would just conclude that someone who said "I won't date anyone who follows Islam" was a bit of a knob. " Why is that person a knob? And How many self proclaimed woke people in this thread do you think would admit that it's NOT Islamophobic to post something like that on their dating profile? | |||
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"So now the religious right AND the progressive left don't like him? Hilarious. He must be doing something right. I suspect you already know that that's called the middle ground or argumentum ad temperantiam fallacy. " Or, the more simple explanation... Wry humour.  | |||
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"Or, the more simple explanation... Wry humour. "Perhaps I need to shave more often with Occam's Razor. | |||
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" Because you could simply put 'won't meet people who drink alcohol or swing'. You could also simply put "I won't date people who don't believe trans women should be allowed in women sports" or "I won't date anyone who has a specific views on a specific issue" instead of saying "I won't date right wingers" Plenty of non muslims don't drink. Plenty of non muslims don't swing. Plenty of non-right-wingers don't believe trans women shouldn't be allowed in women's sports. Why single out muslims unless theres another reason you don't want to meet them? 🤷♂️ Why single out right wingers unless theres another reason you don't want to meet them? 🤷♂️" Personally I wouldn't put any of those on a dating profile. Or even on here. No need. Those that evidence incompatible views either via forum posts, private messages or even face to face in clubs or at socials will lose my interest immediately. You don't need to put stuff like that on a profile. You know in your own head what you like/don't and what criteria makes someone potentially suitable. Of course you can write it if you wish. No 'lefty' or 'progressive' will ever complain if you do, because it's useful info for them. | |||
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" You don't need to put stuff like that on a profile. You know in your own head what you like/don't and what criteria makes someone potentially suitable. " The idea is to filter out people who are reaching out to you. If you know that you won't meet people belonging to a certain category, writing it upfront in their profile saves everyone's time. " Of course you can write it if you wish. No 'lefty' or 'progressive' will ever complain if you do, because it's useful info for them. " Exactly! I don't personally judge people by what kind of people they will/won't date/fuck, whether it's religion/political views/nationality/race/height/width or whatever. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who avoid others based on their political views but criticise others for avoiding people based on religious views. If one is wrong, the other is also wrong. | |||
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" And this is exactly why I avoid these kind of people. Many "woke" people just seem to be looking for reasons to exclude.. which goes against what they supposedly stand for. I can't stand hypocrites.
"I won't sleep with someone because they believe in X political view"
Very close to: "I won't sleep with someone because they hold X religious view"
Leads to: "I won't sleep with someone because they are from X culture, unless they reject the views of that culture"
Adjacent to/conflates with: "I won't sleep with someone from this background or race"
...all justified by "I am just not attracted to X (politics/culture/religion/race) sexually"
It's all fair enough, really, but it's two sides of the same coin of intolerance.
Not really.
I know I won't get along with some people because of their political views and beliefs, regardless of aesthetics, physical characteristics or any other visually identifiable trait. That's irrelevant to their ethnicity and religion. If I don't get on with someone then I don't want to fuck them. Simple as that.
As for religion? If that religion has beliefs relating to views I don't like and they're a strict follower, then (aside from the fact they'll be hypocrites for even being a swinger) then again, I'm unlikely to get on with them. Again, that religious belief will be irrelevant to aesthetics, political beliefs and ethnicity.
Then we get to your last point about race/background. Neither is important to me unless they fall into the category of people I won't get on with based on the above.
You're trying to isolate individual aspects - political stance, religion or race/ethnicity.
Life doesn't work like that for most people you'd class as 'liberal', 'left leaning' or 'woke'. We (and yes, I mean 'me' but also plenty of other similarly minded people I know) don't give a monkeys about someone's politics, religion or race, as long as you're a pleasant, respectful, empathetic, open minded person that's not bigoted or hateful, doesn't see themselves as superior to others, doesn't stereotype a group based on the actions of a minority and most importantly, can base their beliefs and views on facts, evidence and reality, rather than BS they read on Facey, what lying politicians and activists tell them and who don't live their lives by 'morals'and 'codes' that are exclusionary rather than inclusive.
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"This! For us the same it’s not exclusionary to have a preference for someone who doesn’t hold views completely contrary to your own which would make the social interaction and attraction awkward or non existent- that’s called a preference and surely something that can be shared openly… Those making out that is somehow exclusionary are talking out of their butt…it’s your body, your choice and none of that is hateful or intolerant of anyone." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385 So the people in the above article trying to pressure women to be in relationships against their will are the opposite of woke? Someone ought to tell it to those people. | |||
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"Genuinely happy to see this thread here, lately I’ve been seriously worried about the current direction of travel for attitudes in this country, so it’s nice to know there are more of us compassionate folk around. " lies | |||
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"Hey folks I'd love to add a bunch of right on, politically correct, leftie, woke folk to my pool of Fab friends. Make yourselves known and let's flirt. MrsT " Hello | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385 So the people in the above article trying to pressure women to be in relationships against their will are the opposite of woke? Someone ought to tell it to those people." The problem is that some people haven't thought enough about the concepts of consent and respect. In the BDSM world ethics is a HUGE thing. For decades people have been arguing about what is right and wrong and there are still disagreements between various schools of thought, but it's reached a quite sophisticated level because by its very nature BDSM is a bit of an ethical minefield. In trans discussions online it's often youngish people with strong feelings but not very well-developed ideas trying to shout each other down. Some people on the pro-trans side don't think enough about consent. Some people who aren't pro-trans don't think enough about resepect. Consent is absolutely essential. Non-consenual sex is criminal behaviour and should always be called out. But respect is very important. Many trans people feel under siege never mind under respected. So some trans people and their allies will make statements intended to defend trans people but because it comes from a place of anger and frustration they'll sometimes overstep and talk complete garbage. In an ideal world people wouldn't be shouting at each other on the internet and there'd be enough patience, space and time for people to discuss their opinions in a civilized fashion and for everyone to find some common ground. Unfortunately social media isn't set up to make this easy. | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂" Lol. The lefties are the least tolerant cunts out there.  | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂 Lol. The lefties are the least tolerant cunts out there. "Is calling a group of people cunts ‘tolerance’ then is it? | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂 Lol. The lefties are the least tolerant cunts out there.
Is calling a group of people cunts ‘tolerance’ then is it?
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂 Lol. The lefties are the least tolerant cunts out there.
Is calling a group of people cunts ‘tolerance’ then is it?
Absolutely not. Im not the one claiming to be tolerant. The hatefilled rats on the left actually believe they are. "Im not on board with leftists pal, but referring to people as rats is simply counter productive and leads to more division | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. " We blocked him ages ago | |||
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"This is great for the block list! You said it, mate. Bye. The tolerant left ladies and gentleman 😂 Lol. The lefties are the least tolerant cunts out there.
Is calling a group of people cunts ‘tolerance’ then is it?
Absolutely not. Im not the one claiming to be tolerant. The hatefilled rats on the left actually believe they are.
Im not on board with leftists pal, but referring to people as rats is simply counter productive and leads to more division"They're the divisive ones. You disagree about anything with thrm and you're the reincarnation of adolf. They're so stupid they claim to hate the right but stand up for Islamists who are slightly to the right of mussolini. | |||
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"Hey folks I'd love to add a bunch of right on, politically correct, leftie, woke folk to my pool of Fab friends. Make yourselves known and let's flirt. MrsT " Nice to see you again Mrs T 🌈 Rainbow here, left leaning credentials firmly on record in my prior single life as Polly Chromatic 🦜🌈 And thankful to have found someone, my lovely Moonwitch, who is of like mind ❤️ | |||
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"I'm very happy to shout that I'm a socialist and I *love* fucking other socialists ❤️" You would get it, ngl.👍🏻 I mean I'd sooner see you 'get it' with the missus though... She's much more "socialist" than me too to be fair 😂 | |||
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"... If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft. ..." That view is shared by those in the right. Besides, legally, piracy isn't theft, no matter how much the big corporations tell us that it is. | |||
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"I’ve never asked anyone I’ve had sex with who they vote and are you left/right wing. Nobody’s asked me. I’m quite happy to talk politics but I have sex with people I like, what their looks and personality is like. I couldn’t careless about their political opinions." | |||
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"... If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft. ... That view is shared by those in the right. Besides, legally, piracy isn't theft, no matter how much the big corporations tell us that it is. " The right is split on this topic. The arguments for/against are very similar to those about patent rights. Some say that piracy and lack of patent protection reduces the incentive for people to invest in research or making the product in the first place. The opponents of this view say that's not the case, these people can still make enough money from people who are willing to pay. Some also point to the existence of open source software. Even the left changes their tune on this topic if you talk about artwork instead of software. | |||
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"A Fab get together for Leftist wokesters would be a great idea. Up to the point when they realise there is an entrance fee and they have to buy their own drinks, and might actually have to have a wash and engage in some physical exercise. Then they’d be standing outside crying about where the state handouts are, why can’t their conservative neighbours turn up to pay for everything, can they charge it to their government job as expenses etc etc." Bait used to be believable, now it is just whatever this is. | |||
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"A Fab get together for Leftist wokesters would be a great idea. Up to the point when they realise there is an entrance fee and they have to buy their own drinks, and might actually have to have a wash and engage in some physical exercise. Then they’d be standing outside crying about where the state handouts are, why can’t their conservative neighbours turn up to pay for everything, can they charge it to their government job as expenses etc etc. Bait used to be believable, now it is just whatever this is." Quite. | |||
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"A Fab get together for Leftist wokesters would be a great idea. Up to the point when they realise there is an entrance fee and they have to buy their own drinks, and might actually have to have a wash and engage in some physical exercise. Then they’d be standing outside crying about where the state handouts are, why can’t their conservative neighbours turn up to pay for everything, can they charge it to their government job as expenses etc etc." Wewlad, don't cut yourself on all that edge | |||
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"Hey folks I'd love to add a bunch of right on, politically correct, leftie, woke folk to my pool of Fab friends. Make yourselves known and let's flirt. MrsT " I'm not generally a fan of labels, but my political views certainly sit to the left hand side of the spectrum. I'm not really sure what woke means anymore, but I'm happy that I live in a society where people can be who they like, dress how they like, and choose their own labels if they so wish. I think that the world is worth taking care of, and for all of the creatures that inhabit it... not just ourselves. I believe in the values of the welfare state, because not everyone is always able to pay their own way all the time... and letting people starve is just not nice. I think those who have the most should pay the most tax, and that being a billionaire is ridiculous... if you spent £1000 per day, it would take around 2700 YEARS to spend a billion. Although I'm not wealthy, I'm far from poor. I would be happy to pay a little more tax to see less people on the breadline. I'm proud of my country and have no problems displaying our flag, I've also never met anyone who's offended by it. The country has achieved many great things in the past, and I'm sure that it will return to being the beacon of Justice, fairness, hope, and charity that it has been at many points in history. I'll let those who like lables choose the ones they think apply to me. Cal | |||
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"A Fab get together for Leftist wokesters would be a great idea. Up to the point when they realise there is an entrance fee and they have to buy their own drinks, and might actually have to have a wash and engage in some physical exercise. Then they’d be standing outside crying about where the state handouts are, why can’t their conservative neighbours turn up to pay for everything, can they charge it to their government job as expenses etc etc." Tell me you've never been to a swingers club without saying you've never been to one.....🤦🤦😂😂 | |||
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"This is great for the block list! " Just what I was thinking! | |||
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"Good thread. In a world where the press has managed to twist any form of compassion into weakness - where being anti fascist now makes you a Bad Person, it's nice to know that the tide of far right populism hasn't swept everyone away." _________________________________ | |||
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"This is great for the block list! Just what I was thinking!" That’s part of the problem… If I don’t agree with everything you say, there’s nothing to say at all? | |||
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"I used to be woke, and then the left went nuts and didn’t know what it stood for anymore. It should be all about workers’ rights and working people and not about identity politics." A persons identity isn’t politics, it’s who they are | |||
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"Well, possibly, but if they’re wearing a t-shirt that says Queers For Palestine or something equally as daft, then I see that as Identity Politics." Would you say that also applies to people wearing a St George’s Cross, or pro-israel messages, religious iconogrsphy or anti-trans slogans? Or do you just mean in general that people shouldn’t display their views? | |||
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"Even allowing for a typo or two, I can’t work out what ‘religious iconogrsphy‘… if you mean wearing a cross or hijab or similar, that’s fine. England flags have their place… pubs on match day, the front garden if you must. Being covered in badges and lanyards… that’s fine if you’re self-employed or unemployed/unemployable." Iconography. It's not desperately difficult. | |||
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"Even allowing for a typo or two, I can’t work out what ‘religious iconogrsphy‘… if you mean wearing a cross or hijab or similar, that’s fine. England flags have their place… pubs on match day, the front garden if you must. Being covered in badges and lanyards… that’s fine if you’re self-employed or unemployed/unemployable. Iconography. It's not desperately difficult." That’s a tad passive aggressive, but thanks anyway. Happy Halloween! | |||
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"I used to be woke, and then the left went nuts and didn’t know what it stood for anymore. It should be all about workers’ rights and working people and not about identity politics." The idea that the left is has dropped its representation of workers in favour of championing the complaints of self-identified minorities is a right-wing tabloid trope that has been around for decades, and it's never been true. The reason why the left has struggled to gain any positive traction is because very wealthy people and the politicians and newspapers they own have spent generations trying to distract you from their looting of the economy by telling you that the left don't care about you, they only care about trans people, or about Muslims, or about gays, or about... You know, blacks. Or women. | |||
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