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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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"A rejection of Trumpism, or a blip in Project 25 and expect the White House to double down on it?
Can't wait for the mid terms to have a truer picture of US leanings 🤓"
I just wrote in the other thread.. damn you for starting a new one!!!  kidding
I think the one thing democrats learned last night is that all local government is local! Talk local, speak local, focus local!
That’s why the governor races in Virginia and Jersey are different from the mayor race in New York.. and you can have different people representing different places
Big tent democrats!
The other thing is that in places that lean progressive, the big tent democratic establishment can’t try and get in the way
Progressive Democrats can work.. be like Boston where mayor Wu is so popular, the Republican candidate dropped out and she ran unopposed! don’t mess it up like Chicago!
Progressives won in a fair few upstate New York State mayors races last night as well
They won in Seattle, they won in Portland, it’s going to be super close in Minneapolis
So superb night for the democrats last night….. chuffed that Zohran won the NYC mayoral race (have to since I voted for him!)
A good night for democrats…
A great night for progressives….
And trump after all the threats is now trying to distance himself from what happened… I wonder if he will try and provoke so he can send in the national guard to New York before he takes over fully in January
The other interesting thing regarding NYC and state politics is what will AOC decide to do? Does she run in the primaries or does she go after Schumers seat in the senate?
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"A rejection of Trumpism, or a blip in Project 25 and expect the White House to double down on it?
Can't wait for the mid terms to have a truer picture of US leanings 🤓
I just wrote in the other thread.. damn you for starting a new one!!! kidding
I think the one thing democrats learned last night is that all local government is local! Talk local, speak local, focus local!
That’s why the governor races in Virginia and Jersey are different from the mayor race in New York.. and you can have different people representing different places
Big tent democrats!
The other thing is that in places that lean progressive, the big tent democratic establishment can’t try and get in the way
Progressive Democrats can work.. be like Boston where mayor Wu is so popular, the Republican candidate dropped out and she ran unopposed! don’t mess it up like Chicago!
Progressives won in a fair few upstate New York State mayors races last night as well
They won in Seattle, they won in Portland, it’s going to be super close in Minneapolis
So superb night for the democrats last night….. chuffed that Zohran won the NYC mayoral race (have to since I voted for him!)
A good night for democrats…
A great night for progressives….
And trump after all the threats is now trying to distance himself from what happened… I wonder if he will try and provoke so he can send in the national guard to New York before he takes over fully in January
The other interesting thing regarding NYC and state politics is what will AOC decide to do? Does she run in the primaries or does she go after Schumers seat in the senate?
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It's going to be interesting to see what Trumps reaction is going to be especially considering his ongoing beef and recent words regarding our own mayor of London.
I don't think a Muslim mayor of the ( unofficial) capital city will go down well with Trump and his right wing billionaire cronies. |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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It's going to be interesting to see what Trumps reaction is going to be especially considering his ongoing beef and recent words regarding our own mayor of London.
I don't think a Muslim mayor of the ( unofficial) capital city will go down well with Trump and his right wing billionaire cronies. "
The scary thing for republicans is if Mamdani gets it right then it will be a bad look, and they will make it as hard for him as possible
The scary thing for democrats is if Mamdani gets it wrong…. This is a first and last chance for progressives!
I think he will get a lot of leeway because most know trump will make it hard
The interesting thing is that the tax raising parts of his agenda will have to go through Albany and the Governor…. She is going to need his help to avoid both a primary challenger and to get reelected next year, so he may not get everything he wants, but he may get enough
The rent freeze he can do… he appoints the rent guidance board
The free buses… this is going to be an interesting conversation with the MTA, will he end up needing more buses if it becomes too popular?
The childcare plan is the one that is going to be the most long term… if he can get that done by the end of his term I will be impressed
The 5 community run grocery stores should be easy…. The house building will be done as part of a public private partnership |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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If you want an idea of how well the democrats did all over the place
In Virginia, they win both state houses
Pennsylvania, the 3 liberal state Supreme Court justices all win there races to prevent conservatives from taking over
In Mississippi, democrats won enough seats in their state houses so that republicans lost super majorities in both houses
In Georgia, democrats won statewide races for the first time in 20 years.. and they won 2 of them
In Maine, democrats beat republicans and won the battle against making voting rights stricter |
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Great results for the Democrats.
The key thing will be the Midterms which are almost exacty one year away.
What will Trump do if they look like a looming disaster for the GOP? That's the main question.
I've not really got a clue what's going to happen but I suspect Trump will be at least planning some kind of damage limitation exercise. How extreme this will be is open to question but I expect summer 2026 will be "interesting".
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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Democrats didn’t just edge a win — they swept the board.
Governorships in Virginia and New Jersey both flipped blue.
New York City elected Zohran Mamdani, a progressive Democrat, over a crowded field including a former governor.
Even California’s Proposition 50 passed, locking in Democratic control over future district maps.
These weren’t fringe contests; they were high-profile races the GOP had invested in heavily.
After pouring money and rhetoric into them, they lost every one that mattered.
For an off-year election, that’s about as decisive as it gets.
And how are Republicans framing it?
According to Trump and his allies, it wasn’t really a loss — it was the shutdown’s fault, or the media’s fault, or the voters’ misunderstanding.
Apparently, losing governorships, mayors and ballot measures doesn’t count if you can tweet fast enough to redefine it.
It’s like they’ve made the Narcissist’s Prayer a central party policy:
It didn’t happen.
If it did happen, it wasn’t that bad.
If it was that bad, it wasn’t my fault.
If it was my fault, I didn’t mean it.
If I did mean it, you deserved it. |
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By (user no longer on site) 26 weeks ago
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"A quick Google brings up that since 1898 there have been 30 Democrat and 8 Republican mayors of New York.
TDS does a lot of heavy lifting with those stats.
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If TDS means looking at data, then guilty as charged.
Trump’s average approval rating was about 41%, the lowest of any president since polling began. He’s also the only one in modern history who never hit majority approval — not once.
Even Nixon, at the height of Watergate, and Bush Jr. after the Iraq invasion, had brief highs before their collapse. Trump never had that rise or fall — just a flat line of consistent unpopularity from start to finish.
Every major tracker — Gallup, FiveThirtyEight, The Economist, Pew — shows the same pattern: deep, sustained disapproval.
If pointing that out counts as derangement, then the numbers have it too. |
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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"A quick Google brings up that since 1898 there have been 30 Democrat and 8 Republican mayors of New York.
TDS does a lot of heavy lifting with those stats.
If TDS means looking at data, then guilty as charged.
Trump’s average approval rating was about 41%, the lowest of any president since polling began. He’s also the only one in modern history who never hit majority approval — not once.
Even Nixon, at the height of Watergate, and Bush Jr. after the Iraq invasion, had brief highs before their collapse. Trump never had that rise or fall — just a flat line of consistent unpopularity from start to finish.
Every major tracker — Gallup, FiveThirtyEight, The Economist, Pew — shows the same pattern: deep, sustained disapproval.
If pointing that out counts as derangement, then the numbers have it too."
AI TDS hitting hard! Using national polling to explain away 125 years of New York voting patterns...  |
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"AI TDS hitting hard! Using national polling to explain away 125 years of New York voting patterns... "
RWD hitting hard!
This post was never just about the mayoral race in New York — it was about the pattern across local races nationwide.
From Pennsylvania to Kentucky to Virginia, the results weren’t in the GOP’s favour.
That’s the reality, not delusion, and it stands whether or not Trump’s name was on the ballot. |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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"A quick Google brings up that since 1898 there have been 30 Democrat and 8 Republican mayors of New York.
TDS does a lot of heavy lifting with those stats.
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That’s a reply from someone who knows nothing about what happened in this particular New York mayoral election
In this one not only did New Yorkers basically give the middle finger to Trump, they also gave the middle finger to the Democratic Party establishment… twice!
Let’s put it this way… if Trump and the right didn’t care.. why did they put millions into the race to smear Zohran, and why have they gone bat shit crazy since…
They are not going to give him the chance to mess it up, if he does, on his own…. They are going to try and stack the deck, and provoke as much as they can! |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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"His economic policies are dogshit. They are all ideas which have been tried in other places and have failed miserably. By the time the next US election comes, people would have seen enough."
See.. here is the thing
What is he actually proposing….
Freezing rents in low income housing… that was done for 8 years under di blasio… the world didn’t come to a halt!
Free buses…. Well that one has been trailed… in New York… one bus route per borough.. it worked! More usage, ran better per schedule, less assaults on bus staff!
Government run grocery stores….. he is not looking at taking on tescos! 1 grocery store run per borough in a place where other stores have moved out! It’s hardly Russia!
Increase the corporate tax rate to that of your neighbour….for example, Imagine paying 7.25% in north London, and paying 11.5% in south London…
South London isn’t Beirut, people move there from north London
Increase the tax rate by 2% for those earning over 1 million dollars….
At 1 million.. that’s 20,000 dollars…..please don’t plead poverty if you are earning a million a year!
So…. Which one is so controversial that your head explodes? |
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"See.. here is the thing
What is he actually proposing….
Freezing rents in low income housing… that was done for 8 years under di blasio… the world didn’t come to a halt!
Free buses…. Well that one has been trailed… in New York… one bus route per borough.. it worked! More usage, ran better per schedule, less assaults on bus staff!
Government run grocery stores….. he is not looking at taking on tescos! 1 grocery store run per borough in a place where other stores have moved out! It’s hardly Russia!
Increase the corporate tax rate to that of your neighbour….for example, Imagine paying 7.25% in north London, and paying 11.5% in south London…
South London isn’t Beirut, people move there from north London
Increase the tax rate by 2% for those earning over 1 million dollars….
At 1 million.. that’s 20,000 dollars…..please don’t plead poverty if you are earning a million a year!
So…. Which one is so controversial that your head explodes? "
Personally, I don’t think he’s gone far enough with those proposals — which, given my reputation, probably tells you he’s not exactly some wild-eyed radical. Most of that list would barely count as left-wing in most of Europe; it’s just practical governance. If freezing rents, keeping buses public, and asking millionaires for an extra 2% is considered revolutionary, that says more about how far the centre’s shifted than about the policy itself. |
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Freezing rents in low income housing… that was done for 8 years under di blasio… the world didn’t come to a halt!
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World didn't come to a halt. It rarely does. But rent controls have historically resulted in making scarcity of housing even worse.
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Free buses…. Well that one has been trailed… in New York… one bus route per borough.. it worked! More usage, ran better per schedule, less assaults on bus staff!
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Sure, free stuff "works" for some people. The question is who eventually pays for this.
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Government run grocery stores….. he is not looking at taking on tescos! 1 grocery store run per borough in a place where other stores have moved out! It’s hardly Russia!
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Again, who pays for this?
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Increase the corporate tax rate to that of your neighbour….for example, Imagine paying 7.25% in north London, and paying 11.5% in south London…
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How well is that neighbour doing, when it comes to attracting investments, with those higher tax rates?
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Increase the tax rate by 2% for those earning over 1 million dollars….
At 1 million.. that’s 20,000 dollars…..please don’t plead poverty if you are earning a million a year!
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They don't plead poverty. They will move to a place where they don't have to pay higher taxes. No one owes the left wing politicians anything. No one is obligated to pay for other people's ideas.
Considering that all the above increase in expenses are supposed to be covered by tax raises, the sequence of events is well documented. He raises the tax hoping to get more money. People move out, resulting in much less tax than he expected. It throws the city in debt. No matter how many times, left wingers try and fail miserably, they will keep doing this.
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So…. Which one is so controversial that your head explodes? "
Why would my head explode watching just another left wing politician coming up with idiotic economic policies that don't affect me? I am just laughing about it. |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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Freezing rents in low income housing… that was done for 8 years under di blasio… the world didn’t come to a halt!
World didn't come to a halt. It rarely does. But rent controls have historically resulted in making scarcity of housing even worse.
Free buses…. Well that one has been trailed… in New York… one bus route per borough.. it worked! More usage, ran better per schedule, less assaults on bus staff!
Sure, free stuff "works" for some people. The question is who eventually pays for this.
Government run grocery stores….. he is not looking at taking on tescos! 1 grocery store run per borough in a place where other stores have moved out! It’s hardly Russia!
Again, who pays for this?
Increase the corporate tax rate to that of your neighbour….for example, Imagine paying 7.25% in north London, and paying 11.5% in south London…
How well is that neighbour doing, when it comes to attracting investments, with those higher tax rates?
Increase the tax rate by 2% for those earning over 1 million dollars….
At 1 million.. that’s 20,000 dollars…..please don’t plead poverty if you are earning a million a year!
They don't plead poverty. They will move to a place where they don't have to pay higher taxes. No one owes the left wing politicians anything. No one is obligated to pay for other people's ideas.
Considering that all the above increase in expenses are supposed to be covered by tax raises, the sequence of events is well documented. He raises the tax hoping to get more money. People move out, resulting in much less tax than he expected. It throws the city in debt. No matter how many times, left wingers try and fail miserably, they will keep doing this.
So…. Which one is so controversial that your head explodes?
Why would my head explode watching just another left wing politician coming up with idiotic economic policies that don't affect me? I am just laughing about it."
The thing is you are talking in generalities again… so let’s counter your arguments with specifics since I am assuming you followed the New York mayoral race so closely
A) the rent freeze and lack of housing… so I am assuming you already know about the “city of yes” proposals which would bring in 80,000 new houses… plus the with the votes on prop 2,3 and 4 means zoning regulations for new housing will be loosened… and more housing being built via public private partnerships… and the proposal for a fund where building managers have repaired unwritten by the city to lower costs
B) if the best argument you have for being against free buses with who funds free stuff would be who funds anything
If it helps poorer people potentially travel further it increases the potential employment pool for businesses
The groceries stores.. you are talking about 5 stores, total budget would be 60 million dollars over 5 years… the nyc total budget is 15 billion dollars per year!
The tax proposals….
A) if millionaires cared that much about the tax rates already…. Then why haven’t they all already moved to Florida and Texas? You know.. the places where they already have 0% state tax
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A) the rent freeze and lack of housing… so I am assuming you already know about the “city of yes” proposals which would bring in 80,000 new houses…
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Doesn't sound any different from Labour's promise to build more houses. Again, all these things sound good on paper. But it's not the same in practice.
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plus the with the votes on prop 2,3 and 4 means zoning regulations for new housing will be loosened… and more housing being built via public private partnerships… and the proposal for a fund where building managers have repaired unwritten by the city to lower costs
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Again, all this needs a shit load of money.
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B) if the best argument you have for being against free buses with who funds free stuff would be who funds anything
If it helps poorer people potentially travel further it increases the potential employment pool for businesses
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How many people are not working just because they don't have money to take a bus?
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The groceries stores.. you are talking about 5 stores, total budget would be 60 million dollars over 5 years… the nyc total budget is 15 billion dollars per year!
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When was the last time that a public sector project has stayed within budget? Let's say they open this low cost store that presumably keeps lower prices by the government compensating for it. Not just the poor, everyone will try to buy things from that store. Why would they pay the market prices when they have the government subsidised price in these stores?
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The tax proposals….
A) if millionaires cared that much about the tax rates already…. Then why haven’t they all already moved to Florida and Texas? You know.. the places where they already have 0% state tax
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Well why don't you just increase the tax to 90%? They won't move right? Different people have different thresholds which push them out. When you increase the tax now, it won't push all of them. But it will definitely push some of them. The question is whether the money you gain by high tax rates will be higher than the money you lose by people moving out.
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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"A quick Google brings up that since 1898 there have been 30 Democrat and 8 Republican mayors of New York.
TDS does a lot of heavy lifting with those stats.
That’s a reply from someone who knows nothing about what happened in this particular New York mayoral election
In this one not only did New Yorkers basically give the middle finger to Trump, they also gave the middle finger to the Democratic Party establishment… twice!
Let’s put it this way… if Trump and the right didn’t care.. why did they put millions into the race to smear Zohran, and why have they gone bat shit crazy since…
They are not going to give him the chance to mess it up, if he does, on his own…. They are going to try and stack the deck, and provoke as much as they can! "
The middle finger to Trump? New York has become a cesspit of leftist activism. GOP never had a chance, but the TDS brigade make everything about Trump.
Trump's ego will push for a win and his narrative will always talk up the win, but when TDS kicks in, the dems go wild for it..
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"The middle finger to Trump? New York has become a cesspit of leftist activism. GOP never had a chance, but the TDS brigade make everything about Trump.
Trump's ego will push for a win and his narrative will always talk up the win, but when TDS kicks in, the dems go wild for it..
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This just reads like proof that the cult of MAGA isn’t confined to the States. |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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A) the rent freeze and lack of housing… so I am assuming you already know about the “city of yes” proposals which would bring in 80,000 new houses…
Doesn't sound any different from Labour's promise to build more houses. Again, all these things sound good on paper. But it's not the same in practice.
plus the with the votes on prop 2,3 and 4 means zoning regulations for new housing will be loosened… and more housing being built via public private partnerships… and the proposal for a fund where building managers have repaired unwritten by the city to lower costs
Again, all this needs a shit load of money.
B) if the best argument you have for being against free buses with who funds free stuff would be who funds anything
If it helps poorer people potentially travel further it increases the potential employment pool for businesses
How many people are not working just because they don't have money to take a bus?
The groceries stores.. you are talking about 5 stores, total budget would be 60 million dollars over 5 years… the nyc total budget is 15 billion dollars per year!
When was the last time that a public sector project has stayed within budget? Let's say they open this low cost store that presumably keeps lower prices by the government compensating for it. Not just the poor, everyone will try to buy things from that store. Why would they pay the market prices when they have the government subsidised price in these stores?
The tax proposals….
A) if millionaires cared that much about the tax rates already…. Then why haven’t they all already moved to Florida and Texas? You know.. the places where they already have 0% state tax
Well why don't you just increase the tax to 90%? They won't move right? Different people have different thresholds which push them out. When you increase the tax now, it won't push all of them. But it will definitely push some of them. The question is whether the money you gain by high tax rates will be higher than the money you lose by people moving out.
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See… here is the thing
You are talking in generalities
I am answering about specifically New York issues with New York solutions voted on by New Yorkers voters on the ballot
You again are answering in generalities
So you either know.. or you either just regurgitate talking points… badly
We can have a New York conversation if you are actually prepared to open your ears and listen…
Up to you… you want to listen we can have the conversation |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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The middle finger to Trump? New York has become a cesspit of leftist activism. GOP never had a chance, but the TDS brigade make everything about Trump.
Trump's ego will push for a win and his narrative will always talk up the win, but when TDS kicks in, the dems go wild for it..
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But Trump ego in relation to New York City is so fragile he decided
A) to insert himself into the New York race by the massive iCE raids in the city and canal street,
B) by withholding federal funding for the railway extension from New York to New Jersey and then
C) threatening to withhold more funding if they elected Mamdani
And then the day before the election… from 300 miles away in Washington, runs over the actual Republican candidate and tells people to vote for cuomo!
For a city he doesn’t live in anymore… and a state he moved his voter registration from New York to Florida
58 days before Mamdani takes office.. Trump make’s threats… and you call it TDS |
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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"The middle finger to Trump? New York has become a cesspit of leftist activism. GOP never had a chance, but the TDS brigade make everything about Trump.
Trump's ego will push for a win and his narrative will always talk up the win, but when TDS kicks in, the dems go wild for it..
This just reads like proof that the cult of MAGA isn’t confined to the States."
It reads nothing of the sort... It clearly spells out the lefts obsession with Trump makes everything about Trump. In the case of the NY mayoral elections the odds were heavily against any Republican being voted in. |
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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The middle finger to Trump? New York has become a cesspit of leftist activism. GOP never had a chance, but the TDS brigade make everything about Trump.
Trump's ego will push for a win and his narrative will always talk up the win, but when TDS kicks in, the dems go wild for it..
But Trump ego in relation to New York City is so fragile he decided
A) to insert himself into the New York race by the massive iCE raids in the city and canal street,
B) by withholding federal funding for the railway extension from New York to New Jersey and then
C) threatening to withhold more funding if they elected Mamdani
And then the day before the election… from 300 miles away in Washington, runs over the actual Republican candidate and tells people to vote for cuomo!
For a city he doesn’t live in anymore… and a state he moved his voter registration from New York to Florida
58 days before Mamdani takes office.. Trump make’s threats… and you call it TDS"
Are you surprised by Trumps retaliatory threats ref the funding if he Mamdani was elected?
ICE and pulling funding are not unique to NY, are they? |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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Are you surprised by Trumps retaliatory threats ref the funding if he Mamdani was elected?
ICE and pulling funding are not unique to NY, are they?"
So trump getting his threats in first and doing it during the election campaign trying to influence things means if you question it , then in your mind that is TDS?
Is it retaliation if you get yours in first? … pre retaliation retaliation!!!
But you are right.. this isn’t the first time he has threatened to take funding already authorised away from places that don’t bend the knee (which he can’t because money is appropriated by congress)
He tried it with Harvard… and lost
He tried it with the state of California…. And lost |
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Are you surprised by Trumps retaliatory threats ref the funding if he Mamdani was elected?
ICE and pulling funding are not unique to NY, are they?
So trump getting his threats in first and doing it during the election campaign trying to influence things means if you question it , then in your mind that is TDS?
Is it retaliation if you get yours in first? … pre retaliation retaliation!!!
But you are right.. this isn’t the first time he has threatened to take funding already authorised away from places that don’t bend the knee (which he can’t because money is appropriated by congress)
He tried it with Harvard… and lost
He tried it with the state of California…. And lost"
It’s simpler than that. In the eyes of the cult of MAGA, anything even slightly critical of Trump automatically counts as TDS.
Facts, ethics, accountability — all symptoms, apparently. |
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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Are you surprised by Trumps retaliatory threats ref the funding if he Mamdani was elected?
ICE and pulling funding are not unique to NY, are they?
So trump getting his threats in first and doing it during the election campaign trying to influence things means if you question it , then in your mind that is TDS?
Is it retaliation if you get yours in first? … pre retaliation retaliation!!!
But you are right.. this isn’t the first time he has threatened to take funding already authorised away from places that don’t bend the knee (which he can’t because money is appropriated by congress)
He tried it with Harvard… and lost
He tried it with the state of California…. And lost"
Exactly, he has nothing to loose and throws the kitchen sink at it, which is normal Trump.
The TDS kicks in with the joy and fever when he doesn't succeed, as if it's the end of days if he does.. Nobody in their right mind thought a republican was going to become NY mayor, and Trump threw everything behind Cuomao, that wasn't going to change anything.
It sells media advertising though. |
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See… here is the thing
You are talking in generalities
I am answering about specifically New York issues with New York solutions voted on by New Yorkers voters on the ballot
You again are answering in generalities
So you either know.. or you either just regurgitate talking points… badly
We can have a New York conversation if you are actually prepared to open your ears and listen…
Up to you… you want to listen we can have the conversation "
Certain economic policies are known to have negative consequences. "But this is New York" isn't a good excuse. This is just a variation of "Socialism will work this time bro. Trust me!". |
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"Like Sunak did?"
Sunak boasted about already having taken money from deprived areas to give to places like Tunbridge Wells.
Something people on the left thought was wrong, but maybe as a Tory you supported it?
But he didn't try to affect an election by threatening the voters with financial punishment if they voted against his wishes. |
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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"Like Sunak did?
Sunak boasted about already having taken money from deprived areas to give to places like Tunbridge Wells.
Something people on the left thought was wrong, but maybe as a Tory you supported it?
But he didn't try to affect an election by threatening the voters with financial punishment if they voted against his wishes."
Sunak said he was funnelling public money into wealthier Conservative areas because it “felt right” politically, he was using government funding as a lever.
Could that effect an election, I think it would.
Sunak, Trump and Starmer will take money away from groups of people or whole areas if it gives them what they want. VAT on private education, over the top pay awards, wont tax working people, wont fund a railway, give more money to politically aligned areas.
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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"The equivalent would have been if Sunak said to Londoners - if you vote in Sadiq Khan then we will cut government funding for London.
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the point doesn't need to mirror 100%, they have all used finance and power to influence.
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True. I can't imagine anyone else saying "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
I take this language both literally and figuratively.
Those devoted to Trump are essentially members of a cult, so think that anyone who criticizes him must somehow be deranged.
He knows that there are sufficient numbers of followers so there are effecitvely no limits to his ambition. |
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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"True. I can't imagine anyone else saying "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
I take this language both literally and figuratively.
Those devoted to Trump are essentially members of a cult, so think that anyone who criticizes him must somehow be deranged.
He knows that there are sufficient numbers of followers so there are effecitvely no limits to his ambition."
Trump haters are his enablers, they fuel him and allow him to get away with so much more than he could ever dream of.
They lie and exaggerate so much that his reality starts to look tame or normal. BBC's Panorama is a shining example of how their misuse and bias provides him with yet another way out, whenever he wants to take it. |
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"True. I can't imagine anyone else saying "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
I take this language both literally and figuratively.
Those devoted to Trump are essentially members of a cult, so think that anyone who criticizes him must somehow be deranged.
He knows that there are sufficient numbers of followers so there are effecitvely no limits to his ambition."
In academia there are two main frameworks used to classify cults – one sociological, one psychological.
Trumpism (MAGA) ticks almost every box in both.
Roy Wallis – Sociological Model (how cults relate to society):
Y - Charismatic leader treated as uniquely authoritative
Y - Separation from mainstream sources of truth
Y - Distrust of established institutions (courts, media, science)
Y - Moral exceptionalism – the group’s cause justifies any action
X - Minimal physical isolation – though digital echo chambers now fill that role
Margaret Singer – Psychological Model (how cults control thought):
Y - Behavioural control and conformity pressure
Y - “Us vs them” thinking and persecution narratives
Y - Emotional manipulation and moral panic
Y - Discouragement of critical thinking or questioning the leader
Y - Language control – redefining words like “truth”, “patriot”, “fake”
X - Limited control over members’ physical environment (again replaced by online isolation)
So by the standards used in sociology and psychology alike, Trumpism fits the definition almost perfectly – the only difference is that its walls are made of algorithms instead of fences.
Organisations have been designated as cults when they matched even less.
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"Trump haters are his enablers, they fuel him and allow him to get away with so much more than he could ever dream of."
I don't hate Trump. I think he's an idiot with no realistic sense of self who is doing immense damage to the US (and because the US is such a major player in the world the damage is leaking out).
Could you explain in detail how those that oppose him make him more powerful. |
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"Trump haters are his enablers, they fuel him and allow him to get away with so much more than he could ever dream of.
They lie and exaggerate so much that his reality starts to look tame or normal. BBC's Panorama is a shining example of how their misuse and bias provides him with yet another way out, whenever he wants to take it. "
You say it is about the haters...
All politicians have their critics, their haters, and their fiercest supporters.
What they don’t all have is a following that turns devotion into identity.
They don’t have best-selling merch lines – hats, T-shirts, Bibles, bobbleheads, you name it.
They don’t have large numbers of people openly saying they pray to them instead of a deity.
That’s not politics anymore. That’s worship. That’s cult behaviour.
Although, I’ll admit, Farage is starting to make some headway toward it. |
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By *abioMan 26 weeks ago
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See… here is the thing
You are talking in generalities
I am answering about specifically New York issues with New York solutions voted on by New Yorkers voters on the ballot
You again are answering in generalities
So you either know.. or you either just regurgitate talking points… badly
We can have a New York conversation if you are actually prepared to open your ears and listen…
Up to you… you want to listen we can have the conversation
Certain economic policies are known to have negative consequences. "But this is New York" isn't a good excuse. This is just a variation of "Socialism will work this time bro. Trust me!"."
Okay… so what do you disagree with about the “city of yes” proposals? Don’t you think prop 2,3 and 4 in general will help in the process of getting more affordable housing built?
If the richest didn’t leave under di blasio why are they going to leave under mamdani? If tax was the only issue would they have not moved to Florida or Texas?
Why was it fair to threaten to take away the funding for the new rail tunnel between New York and New Jersey, which is needed for the capacity for the Acela high speed corridor?
What do you have against the free bus idea when the trial with 1 free bus route per borough was considered to be a success with both the MTA and the New York State final report?
What do you have again the one store per borough government run grocery stores place in places deemed “food deserts” where both the poorest are and other food operators have moved out being in Mind that what is going to be sold in them is not going to clash for the best part of what is sold in bodegas?
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By *otMe66Man 26 weeks ago
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"Trump haters are his enablers, they fuel him and allow him to get away with so much more than he could ever dream of.
I don't hate Trump. I think he's an idiot with no realistic sense of self who is doing immense damage to the US (and because the US is such a major player in the world the damage is leaking out).
Could you explain in detail how those that oppose him make him more powerful."
The constant exaggeration from his critics and haters drives his supporters to dig in harder. In the run up to Nov 24 the media pushed a nonstop doomsday narrative, and all it did was strengthen his support even more. When everything is sold as “the end of democracy,” it gives him the freedom to say and do whatever he likes because his supporters lost trust in the media and critics through their exaggeration of him.
Like I said BBC Panorama are a perfect example. Supposedly the epitome of the BBC's unbiased, deep dive reporting. What do they do, edited and spliced commentary and clips together to give the impression Trump incited violence, they broadcast this 1 week before the 2024 elections. Another round of I told you, from his supporters and another reason fro Trump to say look at what these monsters make me look like... |
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"The constant exaggeration from his critics and haters drives his supporters to dig in harder. In the run up to Nov 24 the media pushed a nonstop doomsday narrative, and all it did was strengthen his support even more. When everything is sold as “the end of democracy,” it gives him the freedom to say and do whatever he likes because his supporters lost trust in the media and critics through their exaggeration of him.
Like I said BBC Panorama are a perfect example. Supposedly the epitome of the BBC's unbiased, deep dive reporting. What do they do, edited and spliced commentary and clips together to give the impression Trump incited violence, they broadcast this 1 week before the 2024 elections. Another round of I told you, from his supporters and another reason fro Trump to say look at what these monsters make me look like..."
I suppose I was being a bit too hopeful for a reply based on anything other than wool.
What has been exaggerated?
What was Jan 6th about?
Why are troops in Democrat controlled areas?
Why has an elected Democrat not been sworn in to Congress?
Why did Trump threaten to cut off funding to New York?
Why is SNAP no longer funded?
Why are air traffic controllers resigning?
I could go on.
Of course any criticism of Trump energizes his followers, this is part of how cults work.
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Just to clarify. What I am saying is that although criticism of Trump increases the zeal of his followers, it doesn't lead to any practical increase in his power. Indeed looking at the recent election results and his net popularity falling, such criticism might be decreasing his power.
Although I suspect his fall in net popularity is probably more down to people's experience of what's going on in their own lives. People are beginning to realise that his policies aren't delivering what he promised and it's likely to get worse in the future.
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By *d4ugirlsMan 25 weeks ago
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"A quick Google brings up that since 1898 there have been 30 Democrat and 8 Republican mayors of New York.
TDS does a lot of heavy lifting with those stats.
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Always funny to see the regulars on here, Trump, Trump, Trump.
Guess it is they're distraction that helps them feel not so guilty for the vote the sent in for labour and the poop show the UK has become.
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By *d4ugirlsMan 25 weeks ago
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"Just to clarify. What I am saying is that although criticism of Trump increases the zeal of his followers, it doesn't lead to any practical increase in his power. Indeed looking at the recent election results and his net popularity falling, such criticism might be decreasing his power.
Although I suspect his fall in net popularity is probably more down to people's experience of what's going on in their own lives. People are beginning to realise that his policies aren't delivering what he promised and it's likely to get worse in the future.
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11 months in office, shutting down the border, lots of time working with the war in Ukraine, issues with Israel, Hamas...etc. Passing the OBBB, dealing with frivolous democratic law suits. Trade talks around the world.
Honestly, it seems some people, just choose to bury their head in the ground, ignore the positives, and play any slight menial issues they can think of. If those that are playing what about this, what about that, would realize that trade and industries that he has brought back to America will take time to set up!
Once set up, it will mean wealth will start to return.
Here is one example of the Dems playing their games. Under biden and kamala there were measures to curb beef production due to cow farts. Chicken farms and some beef production were subject to mysterious fires.
This causes shortages, shortages drive up prices.
President Trump tried bringing in beef from S. America. Democrats answer. Take him to court. He is trying to hurt the American farmer.
Worry about your own poop show, in the UK . Let America do what they do. We are quite happy with President Trump and can see through the BS. |
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By *d4ugirlsMan 25 weeks ago
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"A rejection of Trumpism, or a blip in Project 25 and expect the White House to double down on it?
Can't wait for the mid terms to have a truer picture of US leanings 🤓
I just wrote in the other thread.. damn you for starting a new one!!! kidding
I think the one thing democrats learned last night is that all local government is local! Talk local, speak local, focus local!
That’s why the governor races in Virginia and Jersey are different from the mayor race in New York.. and you can have different people representing different places
Big tent democrats!
The other thing is that in places that lean progressive, the big tent democratic establishment can’t try and get in the way
Progressive Democrats can work.. be like Boston where mayor Wu is so popular, the Republican candidate dropped out and she ran unopposed! don’t mess it up like Chicago!
Progressives won in a fair few upstate New York State mayors races last night as well
They won in Seattle, they won in Portland, it’s going to be super close in Minneapolis
So superb night for the democrats last night….. chuffed that Zohran won the NYC mayoral race (have to since I voted for him!)
A good night for democrats…
A great night for progressives….
And trump after all the threats is now trying to distance himself from what happened… I wonder if he will try and provoke so he can send in the national guard to New York before he takes over fully in January
The other interesting thing regarding NYC and state politics is what will AOC decide to do? Does she run in the primaries or does she go after Schumers seat in the senate?
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There are rumors of voter fraud in NYC mayoral race.
Interesting to hear of UK residents voting in this race.
https://vote.nyc/page/voter-qualifications
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By *abioMan 25 weeks ago
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"A rejection of Trumpism, or a blip in Project 25 and expect the White House to double down on it?
Can't wait for the mid terms to have a truer picture of US leanings 🤓
I just wrote in the other thread.. damn you for starting a new one!!! kidding
I think the one thing democrats learned last night is that all local government is local! Talk local, speak local, focus local!
That’s why the governor races in Virginia and Jersey are different from the mayor race in New York.. and you can have different people representing different places
Big tent democrats!
The other thing is that in places that lean progressive, the big tent democratic establishment can’t try and get in the way
Progressive Democrats can work.. be like Boston where mayor Wu is so popular, the Republican candidate dropped out and she ran unopposed! don’t mess it up like Chicago!
Progressives won in a fair few upstate New York State mayors races last night as well
They won in Seattle, they won in Portland, it’s going to be super close in Minneapolis
So superb night for the democrats last night….. chuffed that Zohran won the NYC mayoral race (have to since I voted for him!)
A good night for democrats…
A great night for progressives….
And trump after all the threats is now trying to distance himself from what happened… I wonder if he will try and provoke so he can send in the national guard to New York before he takes over fully in January
The other interesting thing regarding NYC and state politics is what will AOC decide to do? Does she run in the primaries or does she go after Schumers seat in the senate?
There are rumors of voter fraud in NYC mayoral race.
Interesting to hear of UK residents voting in this race.
https://vote.nyc/page/voter-qualifications
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Brought up meeeeee!
So let’s get this straight
A) US citizen (dual national.. but let’s not quibble)
B) still have a US home (queens village, New York)
C) have been registered to vote at the residence in the US for 20 odd years (the 30 day rule refers to being a New York resident at least 30 days before the election!)
D) voting in two places refers to two different places in the US ( so you can’t vote in two different states at the same time)
And now let’s get to some of the things you seem to be proud of…
The one big beautiful bill… the same bill that guts Medicare, Medicaid, and some VA services to the tune of 1 billion…. And reallocates that money to the richest in tax cuts
Oh .. and the beef thing… if you are going to talk on the subject, then at least be truthful
So because of tariffs countries (ie china) stopped buying us agricultural products.. two of the biggest being soybeans and beef… because of tariffs it was cheaper to get it elsewhere
Now because us ranchers lost their biggest export market they are basically in the hole for money lost…
In the meantime, down in Argentina they are in a huge 40billion dollar hole … the Argentinian biggest export economy is… beef! When china stopped buying us beef, they replaced it by buying beef from… guess where…. Argentina!
So the 40 billion bailout inadvertently helps Argentinian farmers at the detriment of us farmers!
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the same bill that guts Medicare, Medicaid, and some VA services to the tune of 1 billion…. And reallocates that money to the richest in tax cuts
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the same bill that guts Medicare, Medicaid, and some VA services to the tune of 1 billion…. And reallocates that money to the richest in tax cuts
Pretty much everyone got a tax cut. On what basis are you claiming that he "reallocated" the money to the richest?"
I’m sorry did I say 1 billion.. I meant 1 trillion
So Let me put it this way..
if Rachel reeves in the budget, I am cutting the nhs budget by 1 trillion, I am giving the richest people a 1.5 trillion tax cut which will help the top 5% , the numbers won’t add up… and it will actually add to the national debt
What do you think would happen? |
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the same bill that guts Medicare, Medicaid, and some VA services to the tune of 1 billion…. And reallocates that money to the richest in tax cuts
Pretty much everyone got a tax cut. On what basis are you claiming that he "reallocated" the money to the richest?
I’m sorry did I say 1 billion.. I meant 1 trillion
So Let me put it this way..
if Rachel reeves in the budget, I am cutting the nhs budget by 1 trillion, I am giving the richest people a 1.5 trillion tax cut which will help the top 5% , the numbers won’t add up… and it will actually add to the national debt
What do you think would happen? "
Which part of Trump's tax changes is in favour of just the richest? He reduced tax for everyone. |
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the same bill that guts Medicare, Medicaid, and some VA services to the tune of 1 billion…. And reallocates that money to the richest in tax cuts
Pretty much everyone got a tax cut. On what basis are you claiming that he "reallocated" the money to the richest?
I’m sorry did I say 1 billion.. I meant 1 trillion
So Let me put it this way..
if Rachel reeves in the budget, I am cutting the nhs budget by 1 trillion, I am giving the richest people a 1.5 trillion tax cut which will help the top 5% , the numbers won’t add up… and it will actually add to the national debt
What do you think would happen?
Which part of Trump's tax changes is in favour of just the richest? He reduced tax for everyone."
Let’s take a couple of parts of the bill….
No tax on tips… sort of… up to 2500 dollars, sunsets after 2 years
No tax on overtime…. Sort of…. Again Up to 2500 dollars, again sunsets after 2 years
The tax breaks the richest and corporations will get… that 1.5 trillion….. all permanent |
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No tax on tips… sort of… up to 2500 dollars, sunsets after 2 years
No tax on overtime…. Sort of…. Again Up to 2500 dollars, again sunsets after 2 years
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The tips and overtime tax changes applies until 2028. Not just 2 years.
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The tax breaks the richest and corporations will get… that 1.5 trillion….. all permanent
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This is the expected increase in take home pay after the tax cuts:
Up to $17,735: 2.6% increase in take-home pay
$17,736–$38,572: 5.2% increase in take-home pay
$38,573–$73,905: 5.7% increase in take-home pay
$73,906–$130,661: 6.3% increase in take-home pay
Above $130,661: 5.0% increase in take-home pay
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By *abioMan 25 weeks ago
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No tax on tips… sort of… up to 2500 dollars, sunsets after 2 years
No tax on overtime…. Sort of…. Again Up to 2500 dollars, again sunsets after 2 years
The tips and overtime tax changes applies until 2028. Not just 2 years.
The tax breaks the richest and corporations will get… that 1.5 trillion….. all permanent
This is the expected increase in take home pay after the tax cuts:
Up to $17,735: 2.6% increase in take-home pay
$17,736–$38,572: 5.2% increase in take-home pay
$38,573–$73,905: 5.7% increase in take-home pay
$73,906–$130,661: 6.3% increase in take-home pay
Above $130,661: 5.0% increase in take-home pay
Also, what do you mean permanent? You know taxes can be changed anytime right? "
So if something starts in 2026 and applies till 2028… how long is that? That’s what sunset means!
So what happens after 2 years… it automatically ends unless something is done
Permanent for the purposes of the bill means written into the tax law with no time restriction
As you said, if something can change at any time, then why the specific difference?
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So if something starts in 2026 and applies till 2028… how long is that? That’s what sunset means!
So what happens after 2 years… it automatically ends unless something is done
Permanent for the purposes of the bill means written into the tax law with no time restriction
As you said, if something can change at any time, then why the specific difference?
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When they say that the tips and overtime exception applies until 2028, it means they are making a promise not to change it for three years. If they don't give any time window, it just applies for now and could change it in the next budget if they want. It requires some serious mental gymnastics to portray it like it's "permanent".
And still, as I said in my post, middle class get higher % increase in take home pay. Anyone earning over $130K has the same % increase in take home pay.
If you take into account the tips or overtime tax rebates, your statement that the money is reallocated to the rich people makes zero sense. |
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So if something starts in 2026 and applies till 2028… how long is that? That’s what sunset means!
So what happens after 2 years… it automatically ends unless something is done
Permanent for the purposes of the bill means written into the tax law with no time restriction
As you said, if something can change at any time, then why the specific difference?
When they say that the tips and overtime exception applies until 2028, it means they are making a promise not to change it for three years. If they don't give any time window, it just applies for now and could change it in the next budget if they want. It requires some serious mental gymnastics to portray it like it's "permanent".
And still, as I said in my post, middle class get higher % increase in take home pay. Anyone earning over $130K has the same % increase in take home pay.
If you take into account the tips or overtime tax rebates, your statement that the money is reallocated to the rich people makes zero sense."
Let’s try this in language that even you may understand instead of you trying to be obtuse
The bill/budget was past in 2025 to start in the tax year starting 26/27…..it goes on till 2028
That covers the tax years 26/27 and 27/28… that is 2 tax years!
It doesn’t start as soon as it is past! If countries did that it would create tax coding mayhem!
It doesn’t change straight away
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So if something starts in 2026 and applies till 2028… how long is that? That’s what sunset means!
So what happens after 2 years… it automatically ends unless something is done
Permanent for the purposes of the bill means written into the tax law with no time restriction
As you said, if something can change at any time, then why the specific difference?
When they say that the tips and overtime exception applies until 2028, it means they are making a promise not to change it for three years. If they don't give any time window, it just applies for now and could change it in the next budget if they want. It requires some serious mental gymnastics to portray it like it's "permanent".
And still, as I said in my post, middle class get higher % increase in take home pay. Anyone earning over $130K has the same % increase in take home pay.
If you take into account the tips or overtime tax rebates, your statement that the money is reallocated to the rich people makes zero sense."
Favorite thing for dems since obama was in. Throw out numbers authoritatively with the assumption no one will check. |
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Let’s try this in language that even you may understand instead of you trying to be obtuse
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Bit rich coming from someone who struggles with basic Mathematics
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The bill/budget was past in 2025 to start in the tax year starting 26/27…..it goes on till 2028
It doesn’t start as soon as it is past! If countries did that it would create tax coding mayhem!
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From the IRS website - Effective for 2025 through 2028, employees and self-employed individuals may deduct qualified tips received in occupations that are listed by the IRS as customarily and regularly receiving tips on or before December 31, 2024,
So it applies for 3 years
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It doesn’t change straight away
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Favorite thing for dems since obama was in. Throw out numbers authoritatively with the assumption no one will check."
It's insane how many times I have caught people doing this. Making claims about something and throwing wrong statistics to support the claims, hoping that no one would verify the statistical claims they are making. |
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It's not that they hope no one will check, they genuinely believe what they are saying. The TDS causes them to read the stats in the way that's most derogatory to Trump. They aren't lying, or deliberately misleading, they're just not capable of seeing the truth.
The same affliction results in them claiming that Trump is a naive fool with no idea what he's doing, and then in the same breath saying that Trump has a diabolical grand plan to extract money from the poor and channel it to all of his friends. |
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So if something starts in 2026 and applies till 2028… how long is that? That’s what sunset means!
So what happens after 2 years… it automatically ends unless something is done
Permanent for the purposes of the bill means written into the tax law with no time restriction
As you said, if something can change at any time, then why the specific difference?
When they say that the tips and overtime exception applies until 2028, it means they are making a promise not to change it for three years. If they don't give any time window, it just applies for now and could change it in the next budget if they want. It requires some serious mental gymnastics to portray it like it's "permanent".
And still, as I said in my post, middle class get higher % increase in take home pay. Anyone earning over $130K has the same % increase in take home pay.
If you take into account the tips or overtime tax rebates, your statement that the money is reallocated to the rich people makes zero sense.
Let’s try this in language that even you may understand instead of you trying to be obtuse
The bill/budget was past in 2025 to start in the tax year starting 26/27…..it goes on till 2028
That covers the tax years 26/27 and 27/28… that is 2 tax years!
It doesn’t start as soon as it is past! If countries did that it would create tax coding mayhem!
It doesn’t change straight away
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Tax coding mayhem, must be tough taxes, in NYC going up even more probably to pay for the grocery stores and all the other free things for the less fortunate and in the UK taxes going up.
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"It's insane how many times I have caught people doing this. Making claims about something and throwing wrong statistics to support the claims, hoping that no one would verify the statistical claims they are making.
It's not that they hope no one will check, they genuinely believe what they are saying. The TDS causes them to read the stats in the way that's most derogatory to Trump. They aren't lying, or deliberately misleading, they're just not capable of seeing the truth.
The same affliction results in them claiming that Trump is a naive fool with no idea what he's doing, and then in the same breath saying that Trump has a diabolical grand plan to extract money from the poor and channel it to all of his friends."
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By *abioMan 25 weeks ago
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"Tax coding mayhem, must be tough taxes, in NYC going up even more probably to pay for the grocery stores and all the other free things for the less fortunate and in the UK taxes going up.
Bet moonfani appreciates your vote and maintaining two residences"
If think you just showed the difference between you and I, in that I don’t begrudge the “less fortunate” in your words getting help with healthcare costs and coverage for example, or getting a little help with rent costs….
Sometimes it’s the little things that say way more about you, than it does about me…
And in New York it’s only people earning over 1 million dollars a year that would pay more in tax… and is much as you think I may earn.. it’s not quite that much!
But I am sure you got quite a chuckle within yourself spelling the new mayor’s name incorrectly… I just wonder if the people who mock so intensely are worried that some of his plans might actually work .. and then you may have to look at your own leaders  |
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And in New York it’s only people earning over 1 million dollars a year that would pay more in tax… and is much as you think I may earn.. it’s not quite that much!
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Interesting. So you do not give a shit about the less fortune either. Just politics of envy. |
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By *abioMan 25 weeks ago
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And in New York it’s only people earning over 1 million dollars a year that would pay more in tax… and is much as you think I may earn.. it’s not quite that much!
Interesting. So you do not give a shit about the less fortune either. Just politics of envy."
That’s an interesting spin…..
If the richest 1% paying a little bit more in tax helps cover the poorest with rent.. or healthcare coverage… then I happily plead guilty
Unless you are saying the least fortunate should not get extra help? |
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And in New York it’s only people earning over 1 million dollars a year that would pay more in tax… and is much as you think I may earn.. it’s not quite that much!
Interesting. So you do not give a shit about the less fortune either. Just politics of envy.
That’s an interesting spin…..
If the richest 1% paying a little bit more in tax helps cover the poorest with rent.. or healthcare coverage… then I happily plead guilty
Unless you are saying the least fortunate should not get extra help? "
I am just saying that them paying more doesn't make you a better person. And you seem to be so happy that the tax is being taken from someone else's pockets and not yours. You have zero moral supremacy over those rich people. In fact, they are better than you because they are the ones paying. |
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By *abioMan 25 weeks ago
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And in New York it’s only people earning over 1 million dollars a year that would pay more in tax… and is much as you think I may earn.. it’s not quite that much!
Interesting. So you do not give a shit about the less fortune either. Just politics of envy.
That’s an interesting spin…..
If the richest 1% paying a little bit more in tax helps cover the poorest with rent.. or healthcare coverage… then I happily plead guilty
Unless you are saying the least fortunate should not get extra help?
I am just saying that them paying more doesn't make you a better person. And you seem to be so happy that the tax is being taken from someone else's pockets and not yours. You have zero moral supremacy over those rich people. In fact, they are better than you because they are the ones paying."
Your right.. it’s not there to make me a “better person” .. its there to help the most vulnerable … does the concept of someone paying just a little bit more offend you that much?
Do you know how much extra in tax is being asked for someone earning between 1 million dollars and 2 million dollars would be?
20,000 dollars…….
They are literally asking for an extra 20,000 dollars per million extra earned…
And if you think someone richer than you is better than you….. again, that says a whole lot more about you than it does about me!
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does the concept of someone paying just a little bit more offend you that much?
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The concept of forcing someone else to pay just to feel good about yourself offends me.
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Do you know how much extra in tax is being asked for someone earning between 1 million dollars and 2 million dollars would be?
20,000 dollars…….
They are literally asking for an extra 20,000 dollars per million extra earned…
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Pretty sure someone who is earning much lower than you would prefer you pay extra tax on your earnings. You know, jealousy is a terrible emotion.
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And if you think someone richer than you is better than you….. again, that says a whole lot more about you than it does about me!
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No. I think someone who pays money that helps others is better than someone who just talks about taking money from others pockets to help others and pretending like that somehow makes him compassionate |
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By *d4ugirlsMan 25 weeks ago
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"Tax coding mayhem, must be tough taxes, in NYC going up even more probably to pay for the grocery stores and all the other free things for the less fortunate and in the UK taxes going up.
Bet moonfani appreciates your vote and maintaining two residences
If think you just showed the difference between you and I, in that I don’t begrudge the “less fortunate” in your words getting help with healthcare costs and coverage for example, or getting a little help with rent costs….
Sometimes it’s the little things that say way more about you, than it does about me…
And in New York it’s only people earning over 1 million dollars a year that would pay more in tax… and is much as you think I may earn.. it’s not quite that much!
But I am sure you got quite a chuckle within yourself spelling the new mayor’s name incorrectly… I just wonder if the people who mock so intensely are worried that some of his plans might actually work .. and then you may have to look at your own leaders "
All for a helping hand, but not a continuing stream of hand outs which is exactly what moonfani and his socialist doctrine is attempting to do.
The point in which you seemed to have missed is your claim to be a resident of both the UK and a resident of NYC.
That is a lot of tax obligations from both the UK and US to legitimize your voting in both places of residence.
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By *abioMan 25 weeks ago
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All for a helping hand, but not a continuing stream of hand outs which is exactly what moonfani and his socialist doctrine is attempting to do.
The point in which you seemed to have missed is your claim to be a resident of both the UK and a resident of NYC.
That is a lot of tax obligations from both the UK and US to legitimize your voting in both places of residence.
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Luckily in the uk they are light years ahead so it’s taken at source…. But You should actually see the size of the form i have to fill out every year for federal income tax….…. For me, because i am rich in heart but not of pocket, so I qualify for the exemption and I don’t get double taxed….
It’s like all these questions you are trying to get me audited, you meanie…. |
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By *abioMan 25 weeks ago
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I was going to say something pithy about Florida’s have zero state tax… but I will let in slide….
Keep going with witty mispronunciations by the way… best I have heard is New York now being called “mumdanistan”
I mean… imagine being so scared of someone 2,000 miles away who will never have an impact on your personal life….. why does he scare you? I mean… if his tax policies are as bad as you say, didn’t all the millionaires and billionaires say they would quit the Hamptons for florid….. awww…. Now I get it! |
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What's wrong about Florida? They seem to have lower crime rate and poverty rate compared to New York. |
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