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I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. |
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
Sorry, but I have to ask, if you don’t want it to be a political debate, why post on the politics forum?
For what it’s worth, politics affects every single aspect of our lives, so the points you raise are political. |
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"what can you do about it though?
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Ask your MP to get behind PR.
We need proper representation in Parliament.
The 2 party system isn’t serving the country well at the moment.
Trying to use 19th Century methods to solve 21st Century problems out. |
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By *9alMan 25 weeks ago
Bridgend |
we seem to lack politicians with vision integrity, charisma & inspiration . we seem to vote out one lot who are doing a poor job to be replaced with another dull lot who stumble from one bad decision to another. No one seems to have a positive outlook at the moment |
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
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All the time we have a left right divide we will always have a public angry. We need a party that’s not going to blame the right or the lefts boogeymen to further that divide and just try to close the hate divide. Until then we will be on rinse and repeat. With no way to oust the current sitting group till the 5 years are up. |
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Would a party of national unity be any better than the current system? Regardless of their political affiliation I firmly believe that all politicians are self serving and put their own interests before that of everyone else. Hopefully our future AI robot overlords will be more considerate. |
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment."
It's has never been perfect in the UK but we are one of the richest and most successful countries on the planet.
We have beautiful countryside, vibrant cities, a fascinating history and have had global influence in science, technology, literature, music, film and more.
We have been a country of migrants for thousands of years, even our King is a second generation migrant.
Our diversity and openness to new ideas has been one of our greatest strengths.
According to the ONS "crime against individuals and households has generally decreased over the last 10 years with some notable exceptions, such as fraud". The number of homicides has decreased by 6% since last year and is the lowest it's been since current police recording practices began in 2003. Offences involving knives or sharp instruments decreased by 5% since last year.
Stop moaning and try to make the world a better place.
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I am frankly bored with the constant moaning about the country. Could it be better? Definitely. Could it be worse? Without a shadow of a doubt!
I think people who think we live in a shithole should choose some random place on an atlas and visit it. I can almost guarantee that it will make the UK look like paradise and you will be fighting to get back here.
The vast majority of the world is horrendous to live in but most people have never seen it. They go to the same sanitised places and stay in the same sanitised hotels.
Go on a proper trip around the world and then tell me the UK is bad. |
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
The rest of the world is the same, not just the UK, you're not special |
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
Do you honestly think the state of the country is down to the short time Labour have been in charge??
It was fucked long before they took over, Why do you think the Tories intentionally imploded to make them seem incompetent so noone voted for them.
They realised they had dug themselves into a hole they couldn't get out of.
I'll admit labour are just compounding the problems but the current state of the country has been year's in the making. |
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By *l_xxxMan 25 weeks ago
South leeds |
Politics is a mess and has been for a long while. A strong factor is money drives the power but possibly a lot of the things listed are societal which the public should acknowledge their responsibility too.
Children committing crime. Thats not the fault of politics, police, teachers etc. They are surely the second line of moral teaching.
It does feel like apathy has consumed the world. Meh, what can we do about it? |
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So it's a woman MP who has been there for 18months and Brown people, that's what your post tells me OP thinks all his problems are down to
"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing.
Sorry, but I have to ask, if you don’t want it to be a political debate, why post on the politics forum?
For what it’s worth, politics affects every single aspect of our lives, so the points you raise are political."
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I work overseas and am delighted everytime I see this country out of a plane window when I return home and realise how very, very lucky we all are.
I'm of an age when I've seen every flavour of government and if you think one will make your life any better, you are mistaken.
The only person who can fulfill your life, is you, not the government.
These forums seem so doom laden and full of angst, its not the world or life that I see.
Hope you all find happiness in the not too distant future, there's a big, fabulous, fulfilling world out there, when you find it, shake it by the horns and it will pay you back one hundred fold.
Try and look for the good and amazing things, the shit will always be around and worrying over something you have no control is a complete waste of time and effort.
Good luck and sorry for sounding positive.
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As someone who recently visited the USA it is turningn into a third world country with pockets of extreme wealth dotted around . The transport,health n workers conditions are all from a backward and downward spiralling nation. It is famously only leading in two areas other than military spending of course |
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"As someone who recently visited the USA it is turningn into a third world country with pockets of extreme wealth dotted around . The transport,health n workers conditions are all from a backward and downward spiralling nation. It is famously only leading in two areas other than military spending of course "
No one in America is poor! Or at least, no one that matters.  |
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"what can you do about it though?
Ask your MP to get behind PR.
We need proper representation in Parliament.
The 2 party system isn’t serving the country well at the moment.
Trying to use 19th Century methods to solve 21st Century problems out."
Be careful what you wish for.
A quick look at the shambles in Germany, France and Spain is the best advert against PR ever. |
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Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us. |
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"Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us."
I’ve never voted Labour in my life but for balance new Labour doubled the then national debt and masked it rising further with 700 PFI contracts we are still paying for. In isolation one £80bn PFI contract for the nhs delivered £13bn investment. Add £20bn and 400+ dead service personnel for their illegal Iraq war.
As we are now seeing this Labour government are worse, corruption minister resigned for corruption, homeless minister resigned for making her tenants homeless, US ambassador a previous mortgage fraudster under Blair appointed by starmer and resigned for links to sex offender, two homes Rayners tax avoidance and possible misappropriation of sons trust fund, free clothes for the front bench - undisclosed free gifts from donor Alli
As for Reeves, lied on her CV and published a book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia. |
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"Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us.
I’ve never voted Labour in my life but for balance new Labour doubled the then national debt and masked it rising further with 700 PFI contracts we are still paying for. In isolation one £80bn PFI contract for the nhs delivered £13bn investment. Add £20bn and 400+ dead service personnel for their illegal Iraq war.
As we are now seeing this Labour government are worse, corruption minister resigned for corruption, homeless minister resigned for making her tenants homeless, US ambassador a previous mortgage fraudster under Blair appointed by starmer and resigned for links to sex offender, two homes Rayners tax avoidance and possible misappropriation of sons trust fund, free clothes for the front bench - undisclosed free gifts from donor Alli
As for Reeves, lied on her CV and published a book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia. "
Just normal everyday politicians really. |
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"As someone who recently visited the USA it is turningn into a third world country with pockets of extreme wealth dotted around . The transport,health n workers conditions are all from a backward and downward spiralling nation. It is famously only leading in two areas other than military spending of course "
Which part of the USA? |
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"what can you do about it though?
Ask your MP to get behind PR.
We need proper representation in Parliament.
The 2 party system isn’t serving the country well at the moment.
Trying to use 19th Century methods to solve 21st Century problems out.
Be careful what you wish for.
A quick look at the shambles in Germany, France and Spain is the best advert against PR ever."
I don’t see any shambles in those countries? Just representative democracy in action. |
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"Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us.
I’ve never voted Labour in my life but for balance new Labour doubled the then national debt and masked it rising further with 700 PFI contracts we are still paying for. In isolation one £80bn PFI contract for the nhs delivered £13bn investment. Add £20bn and 400+ dead service personnel for their illegal Iraq war.
As we are now seeing this Labour government are worse, corruption minister resigned for corruption, homeless minister resigned for making her tenants homeless, US ambassador a previous mortgage fraudster under Blair appointed by starmer and resigned for links to sex offender, two homes Rayners tax avoidance and possible misappropriation of sons trust fund, free clothes for the front bench - undisclosed free gifts from donor Alli
As for Reeves, lied on her CV and published a book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia.
Just normal everyday politicians really. "
Were any of those labour mps responsible for slow reaction to covid starting with the possible loss of up to approx 23,000 lives unnecessarily ? |
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Were any of those labour mps responsible for slow reaction to covid starting with the possible loss of up to approx 23,000 lives unnecessarily ? "
That covid inquiry report is biased tosh. In hindsight we should never have locked down at all and just asked people to minimise unnecessary gatherings. The greatest damage was done by the lockdowns, followed closely by discharging infected people from hospitals to care homes.
Then again, hindsight is always 20/20 vision. |
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"Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us.
I’ve never voted Labour in my life but for balance new Labour doubled the then national debt and masked it rising further with 700 PFI contracts we are still paying for. In isolation one £80bn PFI contract for the nhs delivered £13bn investment. Add £20bn and 400+ dead service personnel for their illegal Iraq war.
As we are now seeing this Labour government are worse, corruption minister resigned for corruption, homeless minister resigned for making her tenants homeless, US ambassador a previous mortgage fraudster under Blair appointed by starmer and resigned for links to sex offender, two homes Rayners tax avoidance and possible misappropriation of sons trust fund, free clothes for the front bench - undisclosed free gifts from donor Alli
As for Reeves, lied on her CV and published a book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia.
Just normal everyday politicians really.
Were any of those labour mps responsible for slow reaction to covid starting with the possible loss of up to approx 23,000 lives unnecessarily ? "
Shhh your not allowed to interrupt the anti labour rhetoric on here. |
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Were any of those labour mps responsible for slow reaction to covid starting with the possible loss of up to approx 23,000 lives unnecessarily ?
That covid inquiry report is biased tosh. In hindsight we should never have locked down at all and just asked people to minimise unnecessary gatherings. The greatest damage was done by the lockdowns, followed closely by discharging infected people from hospitals to care homes.
Then again, hindsight is always 20/20 vision."
The lockdowns that were later than they should have been and the discharges carried out under a conservative govt ? |
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"Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us.
I’ve never voted Labour in my life but for balance new Labour doubled the then national debt and masked it rising further with 700 PFI contracts we are still paying for. In isolation one £80bn PFI contract for the nhs delivered £13bn investment. Add £20bn and 400+ dead service personnel for their illegal Iraq war.
As we are now seeing this Labour government are worse, corruption minister resigned for corruption, homeless minister resigned for making her tenants homeless, US ambassador a previous mortgage fraudster under Blair appointed by starmer and resigned for links to sex offender, two homes Rayners tax avoidance and possible misappropriation of sons trust fund, free clothes for the front bench - undisclosed free gifts from donor Alli
As for Reeves, lied on her CV and published a book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia.
Just normal everyday politicians really.
Were any of those labour mps responsible for slow reaction to covid starting with the possible loss of up to approx 23,000 lives unnecessarily ?
Shhh your not allowed to interrupt the anti labour rhetoric on here. "
Sorry I forgot no sensible arguments are allowed unless pro reform or trump   |
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"what can you do about it though?
Ask your MP to get behind PR.
We need proper representation in Parliament.
The 2 party system isn’t serving the country well at the moment.
Trying to use 19th Century methods to solve 21st Century problems out.
Be careful what you wish for.
A quick look at the shambles in Germany, France and Spain is the best advert against PR ever.
I don’t see any shambles in those countries? Just representative democracy in action."
Really?
Representative government in France = no government. They've gone through 5 PM's in just over a year.
Representative government in Germany = the party that led the previous government and got well and truly booted out with only 16% of the vote are now, yep you guessed it, part of the new government.
Representative government in Spain = minor single issue party's with, in some cases, less than a handful of MP's propping up a governing party that was miles away from a majority.
Representative......My arse. |
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"what can you do about it though?
Ask your MP to get behind PR.
We need proper representation in Parliament.
The 2 party system isn’t serving the country well at the moment.
Trying to use 19th Century methods to solve 21st Century problems out.
Be careful what you wish for.
A quick look at the shambles in Germany, France and Spain is the best advert against PR ever.
I don’t see any shambles in those countries? Just representative democracy in action.
Really?
Representative government in France = no government. They've gone through 5 PM's in just over a year.
Representative government in Germany = the party that led the previous government and got well and truly booted out with only 16% of the vote are now, yep you guessed it, part of the new government.
Representative government in Spain = minor single issue party's with, in some cases, less than a handful of MP's propping up a governing party that was miles away from a majority.
Representative......My arse."
Can’t be that bad in Spain, judging by your profile location?
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By (user no longer on site) 23 weeks ago
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
It was fucked up well before Labour got in.
That's the nature of inflation.
Don't actually care.
Crime is slightly down, knife crime even more so.
So, no I don't feel the same. |
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By *ugby 123Couple 23 weeks ago
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I don't get this, the country was going to pot with all the things you complain about well before this Gov were voted in. If people are expecting miracles after just over a year then your expectations are way too high.
Any sensible person would think you have to give them a chance to sort the mess out, it won't happen overnight or even after a year.
A lot of the media is not reporting what they have done up to now, I suppose that wouldn't fit the narrative but if you go look into it you will see how much they have done.
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"Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us.
I’ve never voted Labour in my life but for balance new Labour doubled the then national debt and masked it rising further with 700 PFI contracts we are still paying for. In isolation one £80bn PFI contract for the nhs delivered £13bn investment. Add £20bn and 400+ dead service personnel for their illegal Iraq war.
As we are now seeing this Labour government are worse, corruption minister resigned for corruption, homeless minister resigned for making her tenants homeless, US ambassador a previous mortgage fraudster under Blair appointed by starmer and resigned for links to sex offender, two homes Rayners tax avoidance and possible misappropriation of sons trust fund, free clothes for the front bench - undisclosed free gifts from donor Alli
As for Reeves, lied on her CV and published a book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia. "
It's just teething problems. You can't expect anything in the first weeks, sorry months, sorry year of being in office. When they said, if elected they would hit the ground running, they did not specify where they intended running too |
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"I don't get this, the country was going to pot with all the things you complain about well before this Gov were voted in. If people are expecting miracles after just over a year then your expectations are way too high.
Any sensible person would think you have to give them a chance to sort the mess out, it won't happen overnight or even after a year.
A lot of the media is not reporting what they have done up to now, I suppose that wouldn't fit the narrative but if you go look into it you will see how much they have done.
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Housing delivery down
House sales down
Car sales down
Tourism down
Retail down
Online down
Business confidence down
More businesses closing than opening
Universities hit with 6% levy on foreign students
Tax’s up
Small boat arrivals up
Insolvencies up
Homelessness up
Poverty up
Government borrowing up
Cost of government borrowing up
Economic growth about to be downgraded - for each of the next five years (obr today)
14 years in planning for this |
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
Immigration at an all time high?
Erm, it's not, according to Migration Watch and the Migration Observatory, added to which, immigration is the reason for population growth. |
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"A lot of the media is not reporting what they have done up to now, I suppose that wouldn't fit the narrative but if you go look into it you will see how much they have done."
Would you like to give us a hand and tell us what we should be searching for. |
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Biggest problem is alcohol and drugs..best pal is a doctor..he says the majority of people he sees are alcohol dependent or taking drugs causing their health issues, and obesity..10 year old kids who are 14 stone. Need to cut benefits..What society gives people benefits above the minimum wage. No wonder they don't want to work
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By *uietbloke67Man 23 weeks ago
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"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
Ffs cheers up.
Your grandparents had to go to hut at the bottom of the garden for a shite.
Your life is a breeze compared to some.
Ffs. |
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By *lan157Man 23 weeks ago
a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex |
I am fed up of government ministers telling us that they are not afraid to make difficult decisions and exhibit exactly that trait because they will be pilloried . I can see that crime is rampant . Shoplifting ,antisocial behaviour , criminal gangs and organised crime. A criminal justice system thats soft on criminals and releases them because we don't have enough prisons .A budget shortfall that grows because our economy is not growing and government spending beyond it's available funding . I am not going to leave the country but I am so disappointed with the direction we are going in. |
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"I am fed up of government ministers telling us that they are not afraid to make difficult decisions and exhibit exactly that trait because they will be pilloried . I can see that crime is rampant . Shoplifting ,antisocial behaviour , criminal gangs and organised crime. A criminal justice system thats soft on criminals and releases them because we don't have enough prisons .A budget shortfall that grows because our economy is not growing and government spending beyond it's available funding . I am not going to leave the country but I am so disappointed with the direction we are going in. "
Like last time Labour are there to pick our pockets. More Labour MP’s imprisoned for expenses fraud than from any other party.
1358 days left, and with the tories gone for a generation, and public mood echoing what you have said, the 2029 general election will be a political earthquake. |
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By *ada123Couple 23 weeks ago
Glasgow |
"I’m so fed up with the UK at the moment.
Labour have really fucked it up.
Everything is so expensive.
Imigration is at its all time high.
Crime is so high.
Which is mainly kids. There our on control. Knife crime is out of control.
Coerce control is abuse. Yes the government do it to us every day. Or trying.
I don’t want to get it to a political debate.
Just expressing. "
I am amazed at how, after 14 straight years of exemplary utopian Conservative rule, the Labour party had the vision, energy and ability to "fuck it up" in just over 1 year. You have to admire that or you will be one of those who think it is much the same as when they came to power; perish the thought!!. |
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"I am fed up of government ministers telling us that they are not afraid to make difficult decisions and exhibit exactly that trait because they will be pilloried . I can see that crime is rampant . Shoplifting ,antisocial behaviour , criminal gangs and organised crime. A criminal justice system thats soft on criminals and releases them because we don't have enough prisons .A budget shortfall that grows because our economy is not growing and government spending beyond it's available funding . I am not going to leave the country but I am so disappointed with the direction we are going in.
Like last time Labour are there to pick our pockets. More Labour MP’s imprisoned for expenses fraud than from any other party.
1358 days left, and with the tories gone for a generation, and public mood echoing what you have said, the 2029 general election will be a political earthquake. "
It may be a political earthquake but will anything change? Off the top of my head I can only think of two occasions when life improved for the working class. After the Second World War and The Black Death.
The real earthquake would be if the middle class and working class stood together because both groups are getting pulled back further and further.
Personally, I'd love to see a party that's a mix of Reform, Labour and the Greens. I don't think the Conservatives have anything to offer now. |
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Why would the wofking class get together with the middle class? The middle class have spent years looking down there noses at the working class,thinking they dont know whats best for them,the middle class have spent years thinking they have more in common with the upper class |
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"I am amazed at how, after 14 straight years of exemplary utopian Conservative rule, the Labour party had the vision, energy and ability to "fuck it up" in just over 1 year. You have to admire that or you will be one of those who think it is much the same as when they came to power; perish the thought!!."
To be fair to those people, Labour did run an election with phrases like "we'll hit the ground running" and "a vote for Labour is a vote for change". They did give the strong impression that they would get things done quickly.
If they'd said that the country was in a mess and it would take time to fix it, people might now be giving them a bit more leeway. |
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"I am amazed at how, after 14 straight years of exemplary utopian Conservative rule, the Labour party had the vision, energy and ability to "fuck it up" in just over 1 year. You have to admire that or you will be one of those who think it is much the same as when they came to power; perish the thought!!.
To be fair to those people, Labour did run an election with phrases like "we'll hit the ground running" and "a vote for Labour is a vote for change". They did give the strong impression that they would get things done quickly.
If they'd said that the country was in a mess and it would take time to fix it, people might now be giving them a bit more leeway."
And as we are now seeing, they can’t raise the money to meet the _anifesto pledges.
Three and a half years left to build 1.5 million houses. And Reeves rabbiting on about repaying the national debt - £3trn - has anyone worked out a feasible loan repayment plan for that?
In contrast to Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), who have warned it could rise 274% of UK GDP (Gross Domestic Product) by 2071.
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"Labour are dealing with 14 years of tory fuckwittery, not sure how fast you think things can be reversed, but usually a full term of government.
England has the biggest financial hole in all of Europe, and Europe no longer have a steak in helping us.
I’ve never voted Labour in my life but for balance new Labour doubled the then national debt and masked it rising further with 700 PFI contracts we are still paying for. In isolation one £80bn PFI contract for the nhs delivered £13bn investment. Add £20bn and 400+ dead service personnel for their illegal Iraq war.
As we are now seeing this Labour government are worse, corruption minister resigned for corruption, homeless minister resigned for making her tenants homeless, US ambassador a previous mortgage fraudster under Blair appointed by starmer and resigned for links to sex offender, two homes Rayners tax avoidance and possible misappropriation of sons trust fund, free clothes for the front bench - undisclosed free gifts from donor Alli
As for Reeves, lied on her CV and published a book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia. "
Under Blair and Brown, including the financial crisis, Labour increased the national debt by 690bn.
Under Cameron, May and a little bit of Johnson, with no financial crisis, the Tories increased the national debt by 796bn.
That was before COVID. If we include that, the full tory 14 years increased our national debt by 1634 bn
‘Party of fiscal responsibility’ dont ya know. |
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Under Blair and Brown, including the financial crisis, Labour increased the national debt by 690bn.
Add 717 PFI contracts signed by new Labour costing at the last count £301bn. "
Tbf, they only carried on what Major started.
If you are long enough in the tooth, you should know that planting your flag on either of these two political parties & defending either of them to the hilt is a mugs game.
Claiming the Tories are the party of fiscal responsibility any longer is for the birds.
It’s just like saying Labour are the natural custodians of the NHS then taking a look at Wales. |
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"what can you do about it though?
Ask your MP to get behind PR.
We need proper representation in Parliament.
The 2 party system isn’t serving the country well at the moment.
Trying to use 19th Century methods to solve 21st Century problems out.
Be careful what you wish for.
A quick look at the shambles in Germany, France and Spain is the best advert against PR ever.
I don’t see any shambles in those countries? Just representative democracy in action.
Really?
Representative government in France = no government. They've gone through 5 PM's in just over a year.
Representative government in Germany = the party that led the previous government and got well and truly booted out with only 16% of the vote are now, yep you guessed it, part of the new government.
Representative government in Spain = minor single issue party's with, in some cases, less than a handful of MP's propping up a governing party that was miles away from a majority.
Representative......My arse.
Can’t be that bad in Spain, judging by your profile location?
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I didn't say it was bad.
The comment was about "representative government" and Spain is far from it. |
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Under Blair and Brown, including the financial crisis, Labour increased the national debt by 690bn.
Add 717 PFI contracts signed by new Labour costing at the last count £301bn.
Tbf, they only carried on what Major started.
If you are long enough in the tooth, you should know that planting your flag on either of these two political parties & defending either of them to the hilt is a mugs game.
Claiming the Tories are the party of fiscal responsibility any longer is for the birds.
It’s just like saying Labour are the natural custodians of the NHS then taking a look at Wales."
Very true. 
I'd just pick up one point though.
Yes the original idea for PFI did come from Major's government but it was Blair/Brown who put it on steroids. |
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