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So the government are once again aiming for another unnecessary change to firearms regulations.
If passed this will all but destroy the industry in the UK, they wont be happy untill even water pistols arr highly regulated. |
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I haven’t seen the news OP. What exactly is happening?
I can think of only a very small group of people (ie farmers and gamekeepers) who genuinely need access to guns outside of the military and police in the UK. Even the military and police have access highly controlled. I struggle to see why anyone else would need continuous access at home.
I can see gun clubs being an obvious place to securely store them for the majority of enthusiasts and then movement between events being a highly controlled scenario. |
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the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust. |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust."
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world. |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world. "
Uk, not ok! |
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"So the government are once again aiming for another unnecessary change to firearms regulations.
If passed this will all but destroy the industry in the UK, they wont be happy untill even water pistols arr highly regulated."
If you mean the merging of section one firearms and section 2 shotguns then I see no real issue with this.
It means those with section two shotguns will need 2 referees the same as us with section 1 firearms
My Shotguns have to go on my firearms certificate anyway as they are Semi-automatic and Solid Slug cartridges which also require section 1 classification
All handguns are section 1 as are my rifles so why not have everything on the same ticket?
Unless those with shotguns cannot find 2 referees.
I am not sure if section 2 needs medical checks? But I know we with section 1 must have medical records checked first.
Ohhh and yes the cost is also going up.. |
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"So the government are once again aiming for another unnecessary change to firearms regulations.
If passed this will all but destroy the industry in the UK, they wont be happy untill even water pistols arr highly regulated."
Whatever the previous law changes were appears to be working
‘Gun crime in the UK is among the lowest in the world, with firearms offences being relatively rare compared to other types of violent crime. In the year ending December 2024, there were 5,252 recorded offences involving a firearm (excluding air weapons) in England and Wales, representing a 20% decrease from the previous year’ |
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By *otMe66Man 18 weeks ago
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"So the government are once again aiming for another unnecessary change to firearms regulations.
If passed this will all but destroy the industry in the UK, they wont be happy untill even water pistols arr highly regulated.
Whatever the previous law changes were appears to be working
‘Gun crime in the UK is among the lowest in the world, with firearms offences being relatively rare compared to other types of violent crime. In the year ending December 2024, there were 5,252 recorded offences involving a firearm (excluding air weapons) in England and Wales, representing a 20% decrease from the previous year’"
The problem with that stat is it doesn't differentiate between those with and those without firearms licences committing offences, which I find bizarre when so many other metrics are captured if a criminal offence has taken place. |
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By *otMe66Man 18 weeks ago
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"Why not reply to the O/Ps post
Rather than illegal firearms which is nothing to do with this thread "
The thread has produced commentary and stats with reference to firearm controls and crimes, which will have a majority of illegal firearms associated to those available figures. It is therefore relevant to consider the wider view rather than a narrowband optic that serves little insight to the reasons for tighter licence conditions other than a process. |
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"Why not reply to the O/Ps post
Rather than illegal firearms which is nothing to do with this thread
The thread has produced commentary and stats with reference to firearm controls and crimes, which will have a majority of illegal firearms associated to those available figures. It is therefore relevant to consider the wider view rather than a narrowband optic that serves little insight to the reasons for tighter licence conditions other than a process."
Nonsense
The topic of concern right now is
the merging of section one firearms and section 2 shotguns
I see no real issue with this.
It means those with section two shotguns will need 2 referees the same as us with section 1 firearms as their shotguns will be classified as section 1
My Shotguns have to go on my firearms certificate anyway as they are Semi-automatic and Solid Slug cartridges which also require section 1 classification
All handguns are section 1 as are my rifles so why not have everything on the same ticket?
Unless those with shotguns cannot find 2 referees.
I am not sure if section 2 needs medical checks? But I know we with section 1 must have medical records checked first.
What other subject is going through consideration right now, except for lead.
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By *otMe66Man 18 weeks ago
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"Why not reply to the O/Ps post
Rather than illegal firearms which is nothing to do with this thread
The thread has produced commentary and stats with reference to firearm controls and crimes, which will have a majority of illegal firearms associated to those available figures. It is therefore relevant to consider the wider view rather than a narrowband optic that serves little insight to the reasons for tighter licence conditions other than a process.
Nonsense
The topic of concern right now is
the merging of section one firearms and section 2 shotguns
I see no real issue with this.
It means those with section two shotguns will need 2 referees the same as us with section 1 firearms as their shotguns will be classified as section 1
My Shotguns have to go on my firearms certificate anyway as they are Semi-automatic and Solid Slug cartridges which also require section 1 classification
All handguns are section 1 as are my rifles so why not have everything on the same ticket?
Unless those with shotguns cannot find 2 referees.
I am not sure if section 2 needs medical checks? But I know we with section 1 must have medical records checked first.
What other subject is going through consideration right now, except for lead.
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You know this is a forum and topics widen, narrow etc?
Going back to the topic, I know what the proposed changes are for the SGC. I did not renew mine and sold a couple of years ago. You having a FAC, is ticking all the boxes as you allude to, but many with SGC may need to reconsider their options if they can't as you say find 2 referees and if they apply a justification usage and are challenged on it for proof.
That in itself is not the end of the world in my opinion, but I'm keen to emphasise that the majority of those with SGC and FAC's are law abiding, hence why I find it bizarre that licence held crime v not held is not recorded.
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By *otMe66Man 18 weeks ago
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"What is the motivation behind the change? Is it easier bookkeeping or do they believe there is threat from shotgun owners?"
In my opinion there are 2 things, the difference in policing area to area, some good some not so and that leads to the police taking the blame for incidents.. Secondly, public perception in tackling gun crime, it looks like positive action is being taken and therefor it is a political win.
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"What is the motivation behind the change? Is it easier bookkeeping or do they believe there is threat from shotgun owners?
In my opinion there are 2 things, the difference in policing area to area, some good some not so and that leads to the police taking the blame for incidents.. Secondly, public perception in tackling gun crime, it looks like positive action is being taken and therefor it is a political win.
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Yeah they specify both in the article:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/firearms-licensing-guidance-strengthened-to-protect-the-public
It looks like the outcome of a review done after the Plymouth shooting |
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"What is the motivation behind the change? Is it easier bookkeeping or do they believe there is threat from shotgun owners?"
currently Section 2 shotguns have their own Shotgun Certificate (SGC), separate from the Firearms Certificate (FAC) for Section 1 firearms (rifles, etc.), but the UK Government has proposed merging them into a single licensing system, which would mean shotguns would effectively come under FAC-style rules, requiring the same application process, though this is strongly opposed by shooting organisations such as BASC of which I am a member.
Current System (Pre-Change)
Section 2 Shotgun Certificate (SGC): For smooth-bore guns (shotguns) with barrels over 24 inches and a limited capacity (typically 2+1 rounds). It allows for an unlimited number of such shotguns.
Section 1 Firearms Certificate (FAC): For rifles, handguns, and certain other firearms including semi automatic 10 shot 12g shotguns, requiring specific approval and listing for each weapon.
Proposed Change (Merging S1 & S2)
The Home Office intends to consult on bringing Section 2 shotguns under Section 1 rules.
This would mean shotguns would be treated like rifles, requiring a full FAC application process, potentially causing significant delays and burdens for shooters.
Police would want to know the exact reason why you want to purchase the intended shotgun
Police would want to know exactly where the shotgun will be used and this will be written on your FAC
If you are found to have this shotgun away from the written permission then a good explanation is required.
You will be limited in the amount of shotgun cartridges you can buy at one time and a specific number you can hold at home.
Basically A Shotgun will be considered and classed the same as a section 1 firearm and I have absolutely no issue with this.
A Benelli M2 semi automatic shotgun can hit a distance of 200 yards when using solid slug cartridge and this is why it's classed as section 1 |
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"What is the motivation behind the change? Is it easier bookkeeping or do they believe there is threat from shotgun owners?
currently Section 2 shotguns have their own Shotgun Certificate (SGC), separate from the Firearms Certificate (FAC) for Section 1 firearms (rifles, etc.), but the UK Government has proposed merging them into a single licensing system, which would mean shotguns would effectively come under FAC-style rules, requiring the same application process, though this is strongly opposed by shooting organisations such as BASC of which I am a member.
Current System (Pre-Change)
Section 2 Shotgun Certificate (SGC): For smooth-bore guns (shotguns) with barrels over 24 inches and a limited capacity (typically 2+1 rounds). It allows for an unlimited number of such shotguns.
Section 1 Firearms Certificate (FAC): For rifles, handguns, and certain other firearms including semi automatic 10 shot 12g shotguns, requiring specific approval and listing for each weapon.
Proposed Change (Merging S1 & S2)
The Home Office intends to consult on bringing Section 2 shotguns under Section 1 rules.
This would mean shotguns would be treated like rifles, requiring a full FAC application process, potentially causing significant delays and burdens for shooters.
Police would want to know the exact reason why you want to purchase the intended shotgun
Police would want to know exactly where the shotgun will be used and this will be written on your FAC
If you are found to have this shotgun away from the written permission then a good explanation is required.
You will be limited in the amount of shotgun cartridges you can buy at one time and a specific number you can hold at home.
Basically A Shotgun will be considered and classed the same as a section 1 firearm and I have absolutely no issue with this.
A Benelli M2 semi automatic shotgun can hit a distance of 200 yards when using solid slug cartridge and this is why it's classed as section 1"
So will this mean all shot gun holders automatically getting a section 1 certificate or will people need to apply and start over or relinquish the shot guns.
If its automatically section 1.
They could then purchase fire arms no. |
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"What is the motivation behind the change? Is it easier bookkeeping or do they believe there is threat from shotgun owners?
currently Section 2 shotguns have their own Shotgun Certificate (SGC), separate from the Firearms Certificate (FAC) for Section 1 firearms (rifles, etc.), but the UK Government has proposed merging them into a single licensing system, which would mean shotguns would effectively come under FAC-style rules, requiring the same application process, though this is strongly opposed by shooting organisations such as BASC of which I am a member.
Current System (Pre-Change)
Section 2 Shotgun Certificate (SGC): For smooth-bore guns (shotguns) with barrels over 24 inches and a limited capacity (typically 2+1 rounds). It allows for an unlimited number of such shotguns.
Section 1 Firearms Certificate (FAC): For rifles, handguns, and certain other firearms including semi automatic 10 shot 12g shotguns, requiring specific approval and listing for each weapon.
Proposed Change (Merging S1 & S2)
The Home Office intends to consult on bringing Section 2 shotguns under Section 1 rules.
This would mean shotguns would be treated like rifles, requiring a full FAC application process, potentially causing significant delays and burdens for shooters.
Police would want to know the exact reason why you want to purchase the intended shotgun
Police would want to know exactly where the shotgun will be used and this will be written on your FAC
If you are found to have this shotgun away from the written permission then a good explanation is required.
You will be limited in the amount of shotgun cartridges you can buy at one time and a specific number you can hold at home.
Basically A Shotgun will be considered and classed the same as a section 1 firearm and I have absolutely no issue with this.
A Benelli M2 semi automatic shotgun can hit a distance of 200 yards when using solid slug cartridge and this is why it's classed as section 1"
I understand what is being done. My question is about the motivation behind this change. Did we suddenly identify this as a threat? |
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"What is the motivation behind the change? Is it easier bookkeeping or do they believe there is threat from shotgun owners?
currently Section 2 shotguns have their own Shotgun Certificate (SGC), separate from the Firearms Certificate (FAC) for Section 1 firearms (rifles, etc.), but the UK Government has proposed merging them into a single licensing system, which would mean shotguns would effectively come under FAC-style rules, requiring the same application process, though this is strongly opposed by shooting organisations such as BASC of which I am a member.
Current System (Pre-Change)
Section 2 Shotgun Certificate (SGC): For smooth-bore guns (shotguns) with barrels over 24 inches and a limited capacity (typically 2+1 rounds). It allows for an unlimited number of such shotguns.
Section 1 Firearms Certificate (FAC): For rifles, handguns, and certain other firearms including semi automatic 10 shot 12g shotguns, requiring specific approval and listing for each weapon.
Proposed Change (Merging S1 & S2)
The Home Office intends to consult on bringing Section 2 shotguns under Section 1 rules.
This would mean shotguns would be treated like rifles, requiring a full FAC application process, potentially causing significant delays and burdens for shooters.
Police would want to know the exact reason why you want to purchase the intended shotgun
Police would want to know exactly where the shotgun will be used and this will be written on your FAC
If you are found to have this shotgun away from the written permission then a good explanation is required.
You will be limited in the amount of shotgun cartridges you can buy at one time and a specific number you can hold at home.
Basically A Shotgun will be considered and classed the same as a section 1 firearm and I have absolutely no issue with this.
A Benelli M2 semi automatic shotgun can hit a distance of 200 yards when using solid slug cartridge and this is why it's classed as section 1
I understand what is being done. My question is about the motivation behind this change. Did we suddenly identify this as a threat?"
You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2 |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2"
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money? |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust."
Well thats the biggest load of bollocks i will read today, we have somevof the strictest laws in the world already |
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"So the government are once again aiming for another unnecessary change to firearms regulations.
If passed this will all but destroy the industry in the UK, they wont be happy untill even water pistols arr highly regulated.
If you mean the merging of section one firearms and section 2 shotguns then I see no real issue with this.
It means those with section two shotguns will need 2 referees the same as us with section 1 firearms
My Shotguns have to go on my firearms certificate anyway as they are Semi-automatic and Solid Slug cartridges which also require section 1 classification
All handguns are section 1 as are my rifles so why not have everything on the same ticket?
Unless those with shotguns cannot find 2 referees.
I am not sure if section 2 needs medical checks? But I know we with section 1 must have medical records checked first.
Ohhh and yes the cost is also going up.."
Section 1 gives them more power for refusal as section 2 is a shall issue cert , section 1 is a may issue, it will also mean ammo restrictions, permission for each individual shotgun , which will dramatically increase the amount of paperwork as opposed to reduce it as they claim.
It is also anither chip away at what we can posess,if this goes through you canbalmost guarantee thatvthat fucking bellend in no10 goes after sub 12 airguns next. |
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"What is the motivation behind the change? Is it easier bookkeeping or do they believe there is threat from shotgun owners?
In my opinion there are 2 things, the difference in policing area to area, some good some not so and that leads to the police taking the blame for incidents.. Secondly, public perception in tackling gun crime, it looks like positive action is being taken and therefor it is a political win.
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To be fair, the major incidents did involve police failure |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?"
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs, |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,"
I disagree
It "may" lower sales from shops, for those who lack the ability to justify their requirements to own a shotgun
Closure of Clubs... No, club's may profit from this especially Clay pigeon shooting as these clubs hire out guns and cartridges with excessive profit.
It may cut down on poaching, people out shooting on land with No permission.
If You Are a Genuine Shooter with nothing to hide, then you should have no concerns.
My Concern is the Cost of each certificate and the cost of medical paperwork which is constantly increasing.
I will let my shotgun certificate lapse when it runs out because for the last 30 years I've never had a shotgun on it.
My Shotguns are Section 1 and I have no need for a section 2.
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Everyone's Main Concern should be the banning of lead from shotgun cartridges and bullet head's and not a paper exercise. |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,"
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,
I disagree
It "may" lower sales from shops, for those who lack the ability to justify their requirements to own a shotgun
Closure of Clubs... No, club's may profit from this especially Clay pigeon shooting as these clubs hire out guns and cartridges with excessive profit.
It may cut down on poaching, people out shooting on land with No permission.
If You Are a Genuine Shooter with nothing to hide, then you should have no concerns.
My Concern is the Cost of each certificate and the cost of medical paperwork which is constantly increasing.
I will let my shotgun certificate lapse when it runs out because for the last 30 years I've never had a shotgun on it.
My Shotguns are Section 1 and I have no need for a section 2.
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Everyone's Main Concern should be the banning of lead from shotgun cartridges and bullet head's and not a paper exercise."
You are part of the problem with shooting in the UK, (i dont care because it doesn't affect me), same as section 2 owners were with the 86 an 97 ammendments, which ultimately achieved fuck all in crime figures, but had a huge impact on the industry. |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world. "
not even in the top 20 unfortunately. this country has a long way to go before gun laws can be considered anywhere near tough enough. |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world.
not even in the top 20 unfortunately. this country has a long way to go before gun laws can be considered anywhere near tough enough."
What a load of bullshit |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world.
not even in the top 20 unfortunately. this country has a long way to go before gun laws can be considered anywhere near tough enough.
What a load of bullshit"
As a non gunnist I see no reason for the vast majority of people to have a gun at home. It doesn’t seem like bullshit to me that the law could be lot tighter and I think many people would support that. I would support a complete ban on any gun at home unless you were a farmer or gamekeeper and could show you had an explicit need for it. |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world.
not even in the top 20 unfortunately. this country has a long way to go before gun laws can be considered anywhere near tough enough.
What a load of bullshit
As a non gunnist I see no reason for the vast majority of people to have a gun at home. It doesn’t seem like bullshit to me that the law could be lot tighter and I think many people would support that. I would support a complete ban on any gun at home unless you were a farmer or gamekeeper and could show you had an explicit need for it."
What about crossbows / Hp bows / high T air rifles ? |
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world.
not even in the top 20 unfortunately. this country has a long way to go before gun laws can be considered anywhere near tough enough.
What a load of bullshit
As a non gunnist I see no reason for the vast majority of people to have a gun at home. It doesn’t seem like bullshit to me that the law could be lot tighter and I think many people would support that. I would support a complete ban on any gun at home unless you were a farmer or gamekeeper and could show you had an explicit need for it.
What about crossbows / Hp bows / high T air rifles ? "
Why does anyone in the UK need a crossbow? |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,
I disagree
It "may" lower sales from shops, for those who lack the ability to justify their requirements to own a shotgun
Closure of Clubs... No, club's may profit from this especially Clay pigeon shooting as these clubs hire out guns and cartridges with excessive profit.
It may cut down on poaching, people out shooting on land with No permission.
If You Are a Genuine Shooter with nothing to hide, then you should have no concerns.
My Concern is the Cost of each certificate and the cost of medical paperwork which is constantly increasing.
I will let my shotgun certificate lapse when it runs out because for the last 30 years I've never had a shotgun on it.
My Shotguns are Section 1 and I have no need for a section 2.
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Everyone's Main Concern should be the banning of lead from shotgun cartridges and bullet head's and not a paper exercise.
You are part of the problem with shooting in the UK, (i dont care because it doesn't affect me), same as section 2 owners were with the 86 an 97 ammendments, which ultimately achieved fuck all in crime figures, but had a huge impact on the industry."
WRONG
I already said "all firearms should be section 1"
I can justify the needs of every rifle, shotgun and handgun that I own.
I have full location details on my certificate for each individual item and allowed 500 rounds of .308/7.62; .38/357mag; 9mm; .22WMR as well as Solid Slug
If you're so concerned then do as BASC instructs you
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world.
not even in the top 20 unfortunately. this country has a long way to go before gun laws can be considered anywhere near tough enough.
What a load of bullshit
As a non gunnist I see no reason for the vast majority of people to have a gun at home. It doesn’t seem like bullshit to me that the law could be lot tighter and I think many people would support that. I would support a complete ban on any gun at home unless you were a farmer or gamekeeper and could show you had an explicit need for it."
If you are not intimately familiar with firearms legislation and are just going on feelings , your opinions are moot, we have so.e of the most effective gun control in the world already, |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,
I disagree
It "may" lower sales from shops, for those who lack the ability to justify their requirements to own a shotgun
Closure of Clubs... No, club's may profit from this especially Clay pigeon shooting as these clubs hire out guns and cartridges with excessive profit.
It may cut down on poaching, people out shooting on land with No permission.
If You Are a Genuine Shooter with nothing to hide, then you should have no concerns.
My Concern is the Cost of each certificate and the cost of medical paperwork which is constantly increasing.
I will let my shotgun certificate lapse when it runs out because for the last 30 years I've never had a shotgun on it.
My Shotguns are Section 1 and I have no need for a section 2.
.
.
Everyone's Main Concern should be the banning of lead from shotgun cartridges and bullet head's and not a paper exercise.
You are part of the problem with shooting in the UK, (i dont care because it doesn't affect me), same as section 2 owners were with the 86 an 97 ammendments, which ultimately achieved fuck all in crime figures, but had a huge impact on the industry.
WRONG
I already said "all firearms should be section 1"
I can justify the needs of every rifle, shotgun and handgun that I own.
I have full location details on my certificate for each individual item and allowed 500 rounds of .308/7.62; .38/357mag; 9mm; .22WMR as well as Solid Slug
If you're so concerned then do as BASC instructs you
Don't blame me for your own incompetence."
What justification do you have fkr hand gun?, if ylu actually have one, what justification for section 1 shotgun that cant be fulfilled buy either section 2 or other section 1 rifle |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,
I disagree
It "may" lower sales from shops, for those who lack the ability to justify their requirements to own a shotgun
Closure of Clubs... No, club's may profit from this especially Clay pigeon shooting as these clubs hire out guns and cartridges with excessive profit.
It may cut down on poaching, people out shooting on land with No permission.
If You Are a Genuine Shooter with nothing to hide, then you should have no concerns.
My Concern is the Cost of each certificate and the cost of medical paperwork which is constantly increasing.
I will let my shotgun certificate lapse when it runs out because for the last 30 years I've never had a shotgun on it.
My Shotguns are Section 1 and I have no need for a section 2.
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Everyone's Main Concern should be the banning of lead from shotgun cartridges and bullet head's and not a paper exercise.
You are part of the problem with shooting in the UK, (i dont care because it doesn't affect me), same as section 2 owners were with the 86 an 97 ammendments, which ultimately achieved fuck all in crime figures, but had a huge impact on the industry.
WRONG
I already said "all firearms should be section 1"
I can justify the needs of every rifle, shotgun and handgun that I own.
I have full location details on my certificate for each individual item and allowed 500 rounds of .308/7.62; .38/357mag; 9mm; .22WMR as well as Solid Slug
If you're so concerned then do as BASC instructs you
Don't blame me for your own incompetence."
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"the changes aren't actually changes. they are in fact proposals going to consultation. although the proposed changes are to be made extremely welcome if implemented, unfortunately they do not go far enough by a very long margin and the extremely lax uk gun laws need to be far tougher and more robust.
I always thought ok gun laws were among the strictest in the world.
not even in the top 20 unfortunately. this country has a long way to go before gun laws can be considered anywhere near tough enough.
What a load of bullshit
As a non gunnist I see no reason for the vast majority of people to have a gun at home. It doesn’t seem like bullshit to me that the law could be lot tighter and I think many people would support that. I would support a complete ban on any gun at home unless you were a farmer or gamekeeper and could show you had an explicit need for it.
If you are not intimately familiar with firearms legislation and are just going on feelings , your opinions are moot, we have so.e of the most effective gun control in the world already,"
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,
I disagree
It "may" lower sales from shops, for those who lack the ability to justify their requirements to own a shotgun
Closure of Clubs... No, club's may profit from this especially Clay pigeon shooting as these clubs hire out guns and cartridges with excessive profit.
It may cut down on poaching, people out shooting on land with No permission.
If You Are a Genuine Shooter with nothing to hide, then you should have no concerns.
My Concern is the Cost of each certificate and the cost of medical paperwork which is constantly increasing.
I will let my shotgun certificate lapse when it runs out because for the last 30 years I've never had a shotgun on it.
My Shotguns are Section 1 and I have no need for a section 2.
.
.
Everyone's Main Concern should be the banning of lead from shotgun cartridges and bullet head's and not a paper exercise.
You are part of the problem with shooting in the UK, (i dont care because it doesn't affect me), same as section 2 owners were with the 86 an 97 ammendments, which ultimately achieved fuck all in crime figures, but had a huge impact on the industry.
WRONG
I already said "all firearms should be section 1"
I can justify the needs of every rifle, shotgun and handgun that I own.
I have full location details on my certificate for each individual item and allowed 500 rounds of .308/7.62; .38/357mag; 9mm; .22WMR as well as Solid Slug
If you're so concerned then do as BASC instructs you
Don't blame me for your own incompetence.
Present question:
What justification do you have fkr hand gun?, if ylu actually have one, what justification for section 1 shotgun that cant be fulfilled buy either section 2 or other section 1 rifle"
Answer:
2 hand guns, both for competition target shooting
1, Taurus .357 magnum 7shot revolver
2. .22WMR semi auto handguns
Section 1 shotgun = Benelli M2 9 shot plus 1 in chamber semi automatic for Practical Shotgun competition including solid slug.
Also written permission to shoot on various estates using normal 12g cartridges
You explain to me how you can participate in Practical Shotgun competition with a section 2 or section 1 rifle?
I look forward to your reply.
Ohhhh and can you just confirm that you illegally shoot deer with a shotgun!
I look forward to that reply also |
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You cannot "Lend" a shotgun for 72 hours to another when it's on a section 1, but you can on a SGC section 2
Again, it doesn't answer my question. What motivated the government to make this change? Are they expecting to reduce gun crime? Are they expecting to save money?
They claim it will speed up the process and make it run more smoothly, which is total bollocks,itbwill however have a huge impact on the industry and cause many closures of shops and clubs,
I disagree
It "may" lower sales from shops, for those who lack the ability to justify their requirements to own a shotgun
Closure of Clubs... No, club's may profit from this especially Clay pigeon shooting as these clubs hire out guns and cartridges with excessive profit.
It may cut down on poaching, people out shooting on land with No permission.
If You Are a Genuine Shooter with nothing to hide, then you should have no concerns.
My Concern is the Cost of each certificate and the cost of medical paperwork which is constantly increasing.
I will let my shotgun certificate lapse when it runs out because for the last 30 years I've never had a shotgun on it.
My Shotguns are Section 1 and I have no need for a section 2.
.
.
Everyone's Main Concern should be the banning of lead from shotgun cartridges and bullet head's and not a paper exercise.
You are part of the problem with shooting in the UK, (i dont care because it doesn't affect me), same as section 2 owners were with the 86 an 97 ammendments, which ultimately achieved fuck all in crime figures, but had a huge impact on the industry.
WRONG
I already said "all firearms should be section 1"
I can justify the needs of every rifle, shotgun and handgun that I own.
I have full location details on my certificate for each individual item and allowed 500 rounds of .308/7.62; .38/357mag; 9mm; .22WMR as well as Solid Slug
If you're so concerned then do as BASC instructs you
Don't blame me for your own incompetence.
Present question:
What justification do you have fkr hand gun?, if ylu actually have one, what justification for section 1 shotgun that cant be fulfilled buy either section 2 or other section 1 rifle
Answer:
2 hand guns, both for competition target shooting
1, Taurus .357 magnum 7shot revolver
2. .22WMR semi auto handguns
Section 1 shotgun = Benelli M2 9 shot plus 1 in chamber semi automatic for Practical Shotgun competition including solid slug.
Also written permission to shoot on various estates using normal 12g cartridges
You explain to me how you can participate in Practical Shotgun competition with a section 2 or section 1 rifle?
I look forward to your reply.
Ohhhh and can you just confirm that you illegally shoot deer with a shotgun!
I look forward to that reply also "
Who said i shoot dear with a shotgun?, had section 1 since i was 14.
So you dont need majority of section 1 then?,how long before the come after leisure shooters?, what .22 wmr lbp do you have?, last time i checked you couldn't get them in the uk |
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Crossbows are already shadow banned. No legislation but the government has directly instructed suppliers not to import them. Annoying as hubby wanted a Barnett crossbow and now has to use the second hand market. |
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"Crossbows are already shadow banned. No legislation but the government has directly instructed suppliers not to import them. Annoying as hubby wanted a Barnett crossbow and now has to use the second hand market."
Not many places to legally use crossbows, but can import them no problem |
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"Crossbows are already shadow banned. No legislation but the government has directly instructed suppliers not to import them. Annoying as hubby wanted a Barnett crossbow and now has to use the second hand market.
Not many places to legally use crossbows, but can import them no problem"
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"Crossbows are already shadow banned. No legislation but the government has directly instructed suppliers not to import them. Annoying as hubby wanted a Barnett crossbow and now has to use the second hand market.
Not many places to legally use crossbows, but can import them no problem
Surely, even a halfwit could make their own crossbow?"
A halfwit could make his own shotgun |
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"Problem I see is criminals would be not bothered has they don't care about licences it's easier to get a hand gun than a shotgun license if you no the right people."
I understand that something needs to be done with firearms, but I love way governments go after the legally owned firearms.
Yes, I know, they can't do anything to the illegal ones.
Why not change the prosecuting guidelines, to make it much worse for being found with an illegal firearm. After all you can make a fire arm with a 3d printer, or a lathe. |
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A halfwit could make his own shotgun
Yes,but it would probably kill him!
Not really,surprising how easy it is to make a perfectly safe one"
If you have the right tools, you can make anything.
You just need to know the metals composition and its limitations. |
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