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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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A new poll of users of hugely popular and influential website Mumsnet finds that Reform is now the most popular party ahead of Labour, whose support has fallen from 40% to 18%.
Is Farage becoming a respectable choice for Middle England? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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"We all know that mumsnet is hardly full of the brightest sparks.
Approx 8 million female users are what? "
Not a user myself (surprisingly!) but I understand it leans towards professional and career Mums which is why this is a story, not the clichéd Reform voters at all. |
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By *ty31Man 17 weeks ago
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"We all know that mumsnet is hardly full of the brightest sparks.
Approx 8 million female users are what?
Not a user myself (surprisingly!) but I understand it leans towards professional and career Mums which is why this is a story, not the clichéd Reform voters at all."
It remains to be seen at the next big election wlkist how many of these current Reform supporters actually vote for them and how many default back to Tory.
Current support for Reform is more like a protest by (mainly) working voters feeling ignored and marginalised- very often voting intention gives way to the comfort zone of mainstream parties. |
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Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.  |
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"We all know that mumsnet is hardly full of the brightest sparks.
Approx 8 million female users are what? "
have you ever seen the discussions... seriously I popped in a few times over the years thinking it would be a place for support and advice.. but noooo... its just a place for people to pick on those they think are beneath them.
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"We all know that mumsnet is hardly full of the brightest sparks.
Approx 8 million female users are what? have you ever seen the discussions... seriously I popped in a few times over the years thinking it would be a place for support and advice.. but noooo... its just a place for people to pick on those they think are beneath them.
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Sounds like another forum with which we're familiar... |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought. "
That’s some serious mental gymnastics expecting one of the people who created the problem to solve it. It’s like asking an arsonist to put out your house fire. 😂 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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"We all know that mumsnet is hardly full of the brightest sparks.
Approx 8 million female users are what? have you ever seen the discussions... seriously I popped in a few times over the years thinking it would be a place for support and advice.. but noooo... its just a place for people to pick on those they think are beneath them.
Sounds like another forum with which we're familiar..."
Cruel! |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought. "
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly."
I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers "
Sadly true..
The vast majority by partners, the ratio of so called 'stranger' sexual assaults is very low according to the data..
Yet there are those who seek to spread fear and anxiety using the assaults that have taken place by refugees/asylum seekers..
Goes without saying that all such crimes are absolutely abhorrent.. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly."
I agree and what I see as comparing the worry of this particular issue with stats from other groups is not really helpful in my opinion. It seems to dismiss this particular issue as nothing to be too worried about, and look over there, which would lead into your view of being reluctant to say so publicly.
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly.
I agree and what I see as comparing the worry of this particular issue with stats from other groups is not really helpful in my opinion. It seems to dismiss this particular issue as nothing to be too worried about, and look over there, which would lead into your view of being reluctant to say so publicly.
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The amount of sexual violence involving recent arrivals from certain countries and cultures is impossible to ignore, unless you have an agenda to do so. Look at the huge increases in Glasgow for example, which align almost exactly with increases in immigration.
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Sadly true..
The vast majority by partners, the ratio of so called 'stranger' sexual assaults is very low according to the data..
Yet there are those who seek to spread fear and anxiety using the assaults that have taken place by refugees/asylum seekers..
Goes without saying that all such crimes are absolutely abhorrent.."
Attacks by strangers make up about 15% which is hardly 'very low' and attacks by partners make up about 40-45% which is hardly a 'vast majority'. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly.
I agree and what I see as comparing the worry of this particular issue with stats from other groups is not really helpful in my opinion. It seems to dismiss this particular issue as nothing to be too worried about, and look over there, which would lead into your view of being reluctant to say so publicly.
The amount of sexual violence involving recent arrivals from certain countries and cultures is impossible to ignore, unless you have an agenda to do so. Look at the huge increases in Glasgow for example, which align almost exactly with increases in immigration.
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I don't know the stats but I do know there is street level noise, and taking lessons from other heinous acts of violence towards women that went unchallenged because it was all about the person reporting it, I find it bizarre that this would not be looked at with laser focus.
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly.
I agree and what I see as comparing the worry of this particular issue with stats from other groups is not really helpful in my opinion. It seems to dismiss this particular issue as nothing to be too worried about, and look over there, which would lead into your view of being reluctant to say so publicly.
The amount of sexual violence involving recent arrivals from certain countries and cultures is impossible to ignore, unless you have an agenda to do so. Look at the huge increases in Glasgow for example, which align almost exactly with increases in immigration.
I don't know the stats but I do know there is street level noise, and taking lessons from other heinous acts of violence towards women that went unchallenged because it was all about the person reporting it, I find it bizarre that this would not be looked at with laser focus.
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It doesn't help that UK police don't publish crime figures linked to Nationality, although this is usually recorded. If there is no link and no issue then surely publishing the info would defuse any racist agendas ? |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Sadly true..
The vast majority by partners, the ratio of so called 'stranger' sexual assaults is very low according to the data..
Yet there are those who seek to spread fear and anxiety using the assaults that have taken place by refugees/asylum seekers..
Goes without saying that all such crimes are absolutely abhorrent..
Attacks by strangers make up about 15% which is hardly 'very low' and attacks by partners make up about 40-45% which is hardly a 'vast majority'. "
Strangers does not mean asylum seekers..
Plus the last time I went to stool 45 plus 15 does not equate to 100..
Listen every person male or female assaulted by another is wrong, the data around convictions is a deplorable indictment for this society..
This issue has echoes on here with that scumbag (Tommy many convictions) whereby when like last year there were two white gangs and one pair of white guys all convicted for the most vile orchestrated acts over several months against multiple victims there wasn't a peep from the regular posters on here..
Vile acts are still vile acts when white people do them..
To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous.. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly.
I agree and what I see as comparing the worry of this particular issue with stats from other groups is not really helpful in my opinion. It seems to dismiss this particular issue as nothing to be too worried about, and look over there, which would lead into your view of being reluctant to say so publicly.
The amount of sexual violence involving recent arrivals from certain countries and cultures is impossible to ignore, unless you have an agenda to do so. Look at the huge increases in Glasgow for example, which align almost exactly with increases in immigration.
I don't know the stats but I do know there is street level noise, and taking lessons from other heinous acts of violence towards women that went unchallenged because it was all about the person reporting it, I find it bizarre that this would not be looked at with laser focus.
It doesn't help that UK police don't publish crime figures linked to Nationality, although this is usually recorded. If there is no link and no issue then surely publishing the info would defuse any racist agendas ?"
I totally agree, it seems a sensible thing to do and analysis is required to understand the ratio per-capita to get the real picture.
I'm not sure what the rationale is by comparing attacks on women by different groups and placing it under the banner of a racist driven agenda when the subject is discussed, all attacks are attacks, getting the data is important so we don't make the same mistakes and ignore the issue. |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Sadly true..
The vast majority by partners, the ratio of so called 'stranger' sexual assaults is very low according to the data..
Yet there are those who seek to spread fear and anxiety using the assaults that have taken place by refugees/asylum seekers..
Goes without saying that all such crimes are absolutely abhorrent..
Attacks by strangers make up about 15% which is hardly 'very low' and attacks by partners make up about 40-45% which is hardly a 'vast majority'.
Strangers does not mean asylum seekers..
Plus the last time I went to stool 45 plus 15 does not equate to 100..
Listen every person male or female assaulted by another is wrong, the data around convictions is a deplorable indictment for this society..
This issue has echoes on here with that scumbag (Tommy many convictions) whereby when like last year there were two white gangs and one pair of white guys all convicted for the most vile orchestrated acts over several months against multiple victims there wasn't a peep from the regular posters on here..
Vile acts are still vile acts when white people do them..
To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous.."
No one is ignoring the other crimes. It's just that the crimes committed by people who are known to victims are difficult to prevent without us becoming a police state that has cameras within every home. The only option is to educate people and hope for the best.
But crimes committed by people from other countries are easily preventable. UK hasn't published the numbers based on nationality. But there are a few other European countries where the numbers based on nationality are available. Preventing crimes committed by the people from these countries is as simple as not allowing them inside in the first place. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Sadly true..
The vast majority by partners, the ratio of so called 'stranger' sexual assaults is very low according to the data..
Yet there are those who seek to spread fear and anxiety using the assaults that have taken place by refugees/asylum seekers..
Goes without saying that all such crimes are absolutely abhorrent..
Attacks by strangers make up about 15% which is hardly 'very low' and attacks by partners make up about 40-45% which is hardly a 'vast majority'.
Strangers does not mean asylum seekers..
Plus the last time I went to stool 45 plus 15 does not equate to 100..
Listen every person male or female assaulted by another is wrong, the data around convictions is a deplorable indictment for this society..
This issue has echoes on here with that scumbag (Tommy many convictions) whereby when like last year there were two white gangs and one pair of white guys all convicted for the most vile orchestrated acts over several months against multiple victims there wasn't a peep from the regular posters on here..
Vile acts are still vile acts when white people do them..
To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous.."
45 + 15 doesn't equal 100 because the rest are committed by people known to the victim but not partners. And of course the stats for partners and others known to the victim will include non British as well as British perpetrators. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Sadly true..
The vast majority by partners, the ratio of so called 'stranger' sexual assaults is very low according to the data..
Yet there are those who seek to spread fear and anxiety using the assaults that have taken place by refugees/asylum seekers..
Goes without saying that all such crimes are absolutely abhorrent..
Attacks by strangers make up about 15% which is hardly 'very low' and attacks by partners make up about 40-45% which is hardly a 'vast majority'.
Strangers does not mean asylum seekers..
Plus the last time I went to stool 45 plus 15 does not equate to 100..
Listen every person male or female assaulted by another is wrong, the data around convictions is a deplorable indictment for this society..
This issue has echoes on here with that scumbag (Tommy many convictions) whereby when like last year there were two white gangs and one pair of white guys all convicted for the most vile orchestrated acts over several months against multiple victims there wasn't a peep from the regular posters on here..
Vile acts are still vile acts when white people do them..
To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous..
No one is ignoring the other crimes. It's just that the crimes committed by people who are known to victims are difficult to prevent without us becoming a police state that has cameras within every home. The only option is to educate people and hope for the best.
But crimes committed by people from other countries are easily preventable. UK hasn't published the numbers based on nationality. But there are a few other European countries where the numbers based on nationality are available. Preventing crimes committed by the people from these countries is as simple as not allowing them inside in the first place."
It's extraordinary how this simple logic escapes some people. We don't, unfortunately, have a choice about criminals with British nationality living here but he have, or should have, total control over which non-nationals are in our communities. This is a political choice. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 17 weeks ago
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And for those trying to make this a white/non white issue, looking at the prison population two of the highest offending nationalities are Albanian and Romanian, while there is a big difference between offending rates of Pakistani and Indian nationals. |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Sadly true..
The vast majority by partners, the ratio of so called 'stranger' sexual assaults is very low according to the data..
Yet there are those who seek to spread fear and anxiety using the assaults that have taken place by refugees/asylum seekers..
Goes without saying that all such crimes are absolutely abhorrent..
Attacks by strangers make up about 15% which is hardly 'very low' and attacks by partners make up about 40-45% which is hardly a 'vast majority'.
Strangers does not mean asylum seekers..
Plus the last time I went to stool 45 plus 15 does not equate to 100..
Listen every person male or female assaulted by another is wrong, the data around convictions is a deplorable indictment for this society..
This issue has echoes on here with that scumbag (Tommy many convictions) whereby when like last year there were two white gangs and one pair of white guys all convicted for the most vile orchestrated acts over several months against multiple victims there wasn't a peep from the regular posters on here..
Vile acts are still vile acts when white people do them..
To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous..
No one is ignoring the other crimes. It's just that the crimes committed by people who are known to victims are difficult to prevent without us becoming a police state that has cameras within every home. The only option is to educate people and hope for the best.
But crimes committed by people from other countries are easily preventable. UK hasn't published the numbers based on nationality. But there are a few other European countries where the numbers based on nationality are available. Preventing crimes committed by the people from these countries is as simple as not allowing them inside in the first place."
They clearly are though..
The usual rabble rousers we saw organising protests because it was an assault by an asylum seeker were and (I predict will be again) very quiet when it was by white people upon victims..
I posted on the same types of threads last year about the lack of any such 'empathy' for the same victims..
I disagree with you on the last point if your referring to all asylum seekers..
But I've said before its a complete mess largely of our own making that's got us to where we are now..
And I get why some are saying that, the system is broken and a reset is long overdue ..
Said on here before that no matter where you come from you abide by the laws of this land and if not then bye, and that goes for your family too..
The victims are being used by those who seek to exploit and further division, that must be awful for them after what they've been through..
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To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous..
No one is ignoring the other crimes. It's just that the crimes committed by people who are known to victims are difficult to prevent without us becoming a police state that has cameras within every home. The only option is to educate people and hope for the best.
But crimes committed by people from other countries are easily preventable. UK hasn't published the numbers based on nationality. But there are a few other European countries where the numbers based on nationality are available. Preventing crimes committed by the people from these countries is as simple as not allowing them inside in the first place.
They clearly are though..
The usual rabble rousers we saw organising protests because it was an assault by an asylum seeker were and (I predict will be again) very quiet when it was by white people upon victims..
I posted on the same types of threads last year about the lack of any such 'empathy' for the same victims..
I disagree with you on the last point if your referring to all asylum seekers..
But I've said before its a complete mess largely of our own making that's got us to where we are now..
And I get why some are saying that, the system is broken and a reset is long overdue ..
Said on here before that no matter where you come from you abide by the laws of this land and if not then bye, and that goes for your family too..
The victims are being used by those who seek to exploit and further division, that must be awful for them after what they've been through..
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Sure people like Tommy Robinson are taking advantage of the issue. But women in Mumsnet are totally justified to not wanting to live next to places where asylum seekers are housed.
UK government doesn't publish the numbers. But in European countries where the numbers have been published, it's clear that men from certain countries are LARGELY overrepresented in sexual assaults.
It's natural for any parent to worry about suddenly having to live next to hotels full of men from such countries with ZERO background checks done on them.
Plus as I said, it's a very preventable problem. Solving this problem still makes improvement to their lives even if you haven't solved the problem of sexual assaults committed by strangers. |
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"What's far right this week? Mumsnet apparently.😯"
TBF Mumsnet has always been criticised as far-right by the online left considering that many in the forum have conservative views.
But this specific issue shows the problem with the online discourse on these topics. Normal people have legit concerns over immigration. None of the mainstream parties give heed to it. People like Farage and Tommy Robinson take advantage of the situation and gain support of these people. The online left immediately brands all these people far right because they are now associated with these politicians.
We have already seen what this kind of discourse to call people far-right for raising legit concerns translates to in the elections. Apparently some people never learn. |
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To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous..
No one is ignoring the other crimes. It's just that the crimes committed by people who are known to victims are difficult to prevent without us becoming a police state that has cameras within every home. The only option is to educate people and hope for the best.
But crimes committed by people from other countries are easily preventable. UK hasn't published the numbers based on nationality. But there are a few other European countries where the numbers based on nationality are available. Preventing crimes committed by the people from these countries is as simple as not allowing them inside in the first place.
They clearly are though..
The usual rabble rousers we saw organising protests because it was an assault by an asylum seeker were and (I predict will be again) very quiet when it was by white people upon victims..
I posted on the same types of threads last year about the lack of any such 'empathy' for the same victims..
I disagree with you on the last point if your referring to all asylum seekers..
But I've said before its a complete mess largely of our own making that's got us to where we are now..
And I get why some are saying that, the system is broken and a reset is long overdue ..
Said on here before that no matter where you come from you abide by the laws of this land and if not then bye, and that goes for your family too..
The victims are being used by those who seek to exploit and further division, that must be awful for them after what they've been through..
Sure people like Tommy Robinson are taking advantage of the issue. But women in Mumsnet are totally justified to not wanting to live next to places where asylum seekers are housed.
UK government doesn't publish the numbers. But in European countries where the numbers have been published, it's clear that men from certain countries are LARGELY overrepresented in sexual assaults.
It's natural for any parent to worry about suddenly having to live next to hotels full of men from such countries with ZERO background checks done on them.
Plus as I said, it's a very preventable problem. Solving this problem still makes improvement to their lives even if you haven't solved the problem of sexual assaults committed by strangers."
I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. |
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First opinion poll of 26. Reform 31%, Cons, 23%, Labour 19%.
Farage least unpopular leader, -9%, Starmer most unpopular, -48% !
Interesting that Reform and Cons combined clear over 50% mark and not just taking votes from each other. |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
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I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties. |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers "
Trouble is that doesn't make the headlines and so the divisive rhetoric peddled by certain news organisations carries on. Keeps the populace occupied with anger and hate against a group of people easily identified because of their colour instead of that anger being directed at billionaires using 'imaginative' tax avoidance schemes to avoid contributing to the running cost of the UK.
Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Trouble is that doesn't make the headlines and so the divisive rhetoric peddled by certain news organisations carries on. Keeps the populace occupied with anger and hate against a group of people easily identified because of their colour instead of that anger being directed at billionaires using 'imaginative' tax avoidance schemes to avoid contributing to the running cost of the UK.
Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed "
Yes, we get it. Stupid sheeple manipulated by the media. Nothing to see here! |
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"Guess mums aren't comfortable with asylum hotels packed with unvetted foreign men after all. Looks like the news stories of kids being approached in towns might have swayed many. Who'd have thought.
I think you are onto something. An increasing number of women are concerned about rising violence and sexual violence linked to immigration, even if they are reluctant to say so publicly. I think that there is more violence against women by people close to them than strangers
Trouble is that doesn't make the headlines and so the divisive rhetoric peddled by certain news organisations carries on. Keeps the populace occupied with anger and hate against a group of people easily identified because of their colour instead of that anger being directed at billionaires using 'imaginative' tax avoidance schemes to avoid contributing to the running cost of the UK.
Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed "
yes and rightly so. Every time something makes the news it is mentioning thet they were an immigrant etc but yet no mention of so many other similar incidents. Its all about distraction... bit like the motability... hmmmm let me think.. sure somewhere else in history it was the immigrants, then the disabled that were critiqued... makes me very angry too. |
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To ignore those crimes because they don't fit an agenda is horrendous..
No one is ignoring the other crimes. It's just that the crimes committed by people who are known to victims are difficult to prevent without us becoming a police state that has cameras within every home. The only option is to educate people and hope for the best.
But crimes committed by people from other countries are easily preventable. UK hasn't published the numbers based on nationality. But there are a few other European countries where the numbers based on nationality are available. Preventing crimes committed by the people from these countries is as simple as not allowing them inside in the first place.
They clearly are though..
The usual rabble rousers we saw organising protests because it was an assault by an asylum seeker were and (I predict will be again) very quiet when it was by white people upon victims..
I posted on the same types of threads last year about the lack of any such 'empathy' for the same victims..
I disagree with you on the last point if your referring to all asylum seekers..
But I've said before its a complete mess largely of our own making that's got us to where we are now..
And I get why some are saying that, the system is broken and a reset is long overdue ..
Said on here before that no matter where you come from you abide by the laws of this land and if not then bye, and that goes for your family too..
The victims are being used by those who seek to exploit and further division, that must be awful for them after what they've been through..
Sure people like Tommy Robinson are taking advantage of the issue. But women in Mumsnet are totally justified to not wanting to live next to places where asylum seekers are housed.
UK government doesn't publish the numbers. But in European countries where the numbers have been published, it's clear that men from certain countries are LARGELY overrepresented in sexual assaults.
It's natural for any parent to worry about suddenly having to live next to hotels full of men from such countries with ZERO background checks done on them.
Plus as I said, it's a very preventable problem. Solving this problem still makes improvement to their lives even if you haven't solved the problem of sexual assaults committed by strangers."
They are as is anyone else who has valid concerns of the many differences in opinion we see ..
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties."
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch. |
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Reform has announced its candidate for next London Mayoral Elections: Lala Cunningham, a Muslim mother of 7 of Egyptian heritage.
Those damned sexist racists at it again with their female, Muslim candidates !  |
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From a personal perspective, I live on Portland which recently housed a barge full of young male asylum seekers. I am not aware of ANY criminal activity by any that where housed there. My own interaction with the young men has found them to be polite and courteous despite the horrendous living conditions imposed on them (causing one young man to commit suicide).
So whilst I'll acknowledge that it's possible (as with all society) that some asylum seekers have committed crimes of a sexual nature proportionally it's a very low level in comparison to our home grown youth brought up on the incel and alpha male culture currently being spouted across social media.
So I reiterate it's largely diversion tactics propagated by a few to benefit the few. |
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"I knew we'd get to the Nazis !
I'm amazed at how the issue is downgraded in the minds of some, and fictional evil billionaires are to be feared above all else. "
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"From a personal perspective, I live on Portland which recently housed a barge full of young male asylum seekers. I am not aware of ANY criminal activity by any that where housed there. My own interaction with the young men has found them to be polite and courteous despite the horrendous living conditions imposed on them (causing one young man to commit suicide).
So whilst I'll acknowledge that it's possible (as with all society) that some asylum seekers have committed crimes of a sexual nature proportionally it's a very low level in comparison to our home grown youth brought up on the incel and alpha male culture currently being spouted across social media.
So I reiterate it's largely diversion tactics propagated by a few to benefit the few."
Bold statement, what are the per-capita offence rates by group? |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch."
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss. |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch.
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss. "
Farage is a disruptor first and foremost, and he isn't stupid enough to think he will land the PM role.
He will however continue to push the big 2 into changing their policies, Labour are all over that, and there will be an eye on a coalition and bigger fish to fry. |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch.
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss.
Farage is a disruptor first and foremost, and he isn't stupid enough to think he will land the PM role.
He will however continue to push the big 2 into changing their policies, Labour are all over that, and there will be an eye on a coalition and bigger fish to fry. "
That's what I thought too  |
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"Asylum seeker housed in Portland Barge sentenced for sexual assault:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp"
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free. |
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"Asylum seeker housed in Portland Barge sentenced for sexual assault:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free. "
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"From a personal perspective, I live on Portland which recently housed a barge full of young male asylum seekers. I am not aware of ANY criminal activity by any that where housed there. My own interaction with the young men has found them to be polite and courteous despite the horrendous living conditions imposed on them (causing one young man to commit suicide).
So whilst I'll acknowledge that it's possible (as with all society) that some asylum seekers have committed crimes of a sexual nature proportionally it's a very low level in comparison to our home grown youth brought up on the incel and alpha male culture currently being spouted across social media.
So I reiterate it's largely diversion tactics propagated by a few to benefit the few."
no one imposed living conditions on them they imposed them on themselves when they broke into the country |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that? "
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"Asylum seeker housed in Portland Barge sentenced for sexual assault:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family. "
So you are basically saying that Farage altered the outcome of an alleged crime by association? Where is the evidence to support this accusation?
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"From a personal perspective, I live on Portland which recently housed a barge full of young male asylum seekers. I am not aware of ANY criminal activity by any that where housed there. My own interaction with the young men has found them to be polite and courteous despite the horrendous living conditions imposed on them (causing one young man to commit suicide).
So whilst I'll acknowledge that it's possible (as with all society) that some asylum seekers have committed crimes of a sexual nature proportionally it's a very low level in comparison to our home grown youth brought up on the incel and alpha male culture currently being spouted across social media.
So I reiterate it's largely diversion tactics propagated by a few to benefit the few.no one imposed living conditions on them they imposed them on themselves when they broke into the country"
It is the only way to gain asylum in any country you effectively have to break in. |
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"From a personal perspective, I live on Portland which recently housed a barge full of young male asylum seekers. I am not aware of ANY criminal activity by any that where housed there. My own interaction with the young men has found them to be polite and courteous despite the horrendous living conditions imposed on them (causing one young man to commit suicide).
So whilst I'll acknowledge that it's possible (as with all society) that some asylum seekers have committed crimes of a sexual nature proportionally it's a very low level in comparison to our home grown youth brought up on the incel and alpha male culture currently being spouted across social media.
So I reiterate it's largely diversion tactics propagated by a few to benefit the few.no one imposed living conditions on them they imposed them on themselves when they broke into the country
It is the only way to gain asylum in any country you effectively have to break in."
You mean it’s difficult to gain entry when it’s purely based on economic migration disguised as asylum |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family.
So you are basically saying that Farage altered the outcome of an alleged crime by association? Where is the evidence to support this accusation?
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Let’s be honest there’s no evidence what so ever |
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"Asylum seeker housed in Portland Barge sentenced for sexual assault:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family. "
The law did apply - he was charged, pleaded guilty, and was fined. Upskirting does not lead to mandatory listing on sex offenders register. |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch.
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss.
Farage is a disruptor first and foremost, and he isn't stupid enough to think he will land the PM role.
He will however continue to push the big 2 into changing their policies, Labour are all over that, and there will be an eye on a coalition and bigger fish to fry. "
I disagree- I think he will be PM, either with a majority or in coalition with Tories. |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch.
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss.
Farage is a disruptor first and foremost, and he isn't stupid enough to think he will land the PM role.
He will however continue to push the big 2 into changing their policies, Labour are all over that, and there will be an eye on a coalition and bigger fish to fry.
I disagree- I think he will be PM, either with a majority or in coalition with Tories."
Interesting I look forward to the day of the count! |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch.
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss.
Farage is a disruptor first and foremost, and he isn't stupid enough to think he will land the PM role.
He will however continue to push the big 2 into changing their policies, Labour are all over that, and there will be an eye on a coalition and bigger fish to fry.
I disagree- I think he will be PM, either with a majority or in coalition with Tories.
Interesting I look forward to the day of the count! "
Oh I do hope not, I remember when Boris got in and I said to friend 'well politics will be entertaining now' and look what a shit show that turned out to be |
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"Reform has announced its candidate for next London Mayoral Elections: Lala Cunningham, a Muslim mother of 7 of Egyptian heritage.
Those damned sexist racists at it again with their female, Muslim candidates ! "
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"Reform has announced its candidate for next London Mayoral Elections: Lala Cunningham, a Muslim mother of 7 of Egyptian heritage.
Those damned sexist racists at it again with their female, Muslim candidates !
Well, it's nice to finally see an opposition political party taking the London Mayoral election seriously. "
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family.
The law did apply - he was charged, pleaded guilty, and was fined. Upskirting does not lead to mandatory listing on sex offenders register."
It’s a strangely lenient sentence, but you’re ok with that because it wasn’t an immigrant. Let’s see what sort of sentence Farageski’s mate the Duke of Marlborough gets for strangling his estranged wife. |
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"Asylum seeker housed in Portland Barge sentenced for sexual assault:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r00x01wro.amp
Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family.
The law did apply - he was charged, pleaded guilty, and was fined. Upskirting does not lead to mandatory listing on sex offenders register.
It’s a strangely lenient sentence, but you’re ok with that because it wasn’t an immigrant. Let’s see what sort of sentence Farageski’s mate the Duke of Marlborough gets for strangling his estranged wife. "
Where did I say I agreed with the sentence ?
You're going off at all sorts of weird tangents and conspiracies that make little sense, rather ironic after your first comment on this thread. |
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Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family.
The law did apply - he was charged, pleaded guilty, and was fined. Upskirting does not lead to mandatory listing on sex offenders register.
It’s a strangely lenient sentence, but you’re ok with that because it wasn’t an immigrant. Let’s see what sort of sentence Farageski’s mate the Duke of Marlborough gets for strangling his estranged wife.
Where did I say I agreed with the sentence ?
You're going off at all sorts of weird tangents and conspiracies that make little sense, rather ironic after your first comment on this thread."
Ever stop to think that as a couple both of us might be commenting at different times? You Reform lot hate being scrutinised don’t you? No wonder Comrade Farageski runs away every time he is challenged 😂 |
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"Asylum seeker housed in Portland Barge sentenced for sexual assault:
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Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
Proves that the law doesn’t apply to you if you know the right people, he wasn’t even made to sign the sex offenders register. Farage likes to surround himself with wrong ones like Andrew Tate so that tells you all you need to know about the family.
The law did apply - he was charged, pleaded guilty, and was fined. Upskirting does not lead to mandatory listing on sex offenders register.
It’s a strangely lenient sentence, but you’re ok with that because it wasn’t an immigrant. Let’s see what sort of sentence Farageski’s mate the Duke of Marlborough gets for strangling his estranged wife. "
"a strangely lenient sentence" Have you seen most of the strangely lenient sentences people of any colour, status or who they're related to get for messing with kids, having sick pictures/vids get ? Its the Judges and people who make the laws involving these type of cases that need investigating |
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"As an aside.According to a poll by Wisp, the dating app that prioritises getting singletons meeting face-to-face, Reform UK voters have officially been crowned the number one political ‘ick’ among British singles.
Almost three-quarters (72%) of respondents said they’d be “put off” if they found out a match on a dating app was a Reform supporter. 😂"
I wish you luck finding a match.🙏 |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch.
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss. "
I think your right about if the immigration situation is resolved then Reform will fall back substantially. Many, including governments have tried to sweep it under the carpet. Telling people that any concerns means you are racists, Nazis, knuckle draggers, uneducated and anything else to try to shut down any discussion. Crimes committed by the indigenous population is often mentioned as somehow that makes it all better and we should not mention that we now willingly import even more criminals. If past and present governments had treated those that raised concerns with respect and actually tackled the situation then I doubt Reform would be anywhere close to where they are now. |
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I think anyone voting for them just because they claim to be going to sort immigration is very short sited.
We unfortunately have a reform council now. They recently spent 78,000 on flags, yet under one such flag is a pot hole that big that it has a traffic cone and people have been adding rubber ducks to it ... its been there for well over a month. Such a great spend of money.
With this actual worry... If you are going to worry about the risk from a small number of men , I get that ... I'd be just as worried that the people protesting outside , often have convictions for similar offences that people are worried about. This was certainly true in long eaton.
Immigration is a problem but I know reform aren't the answer. Although with trumps current actions we may have more to worry about. "
I am not convinced by Reform either. They talk a lot and I struggle to believe that they will show anything in action.
This is why the mainstream parties need to get a grip on immigration. It's clearly an important issue for people. I think the policy changes made by Tories in the final year and the new changes proposed by Labour should cause a big dent in legal immigration.
But illegal immigration only seems to get worse no matter how many policy changes these parties try. Labour still have a lot of time. If they can sort out this problem, people wouldn't find it necessary to vote for Reform as it usually happens with single issue parties.
I think Reform have gone past being a single issue party though. That was true of UKIP whose goal was leaving the EU but I think Reform draw from a broader base related to values and class. Possibly the Mumsnet story is evidence of this.
The Economist (far from a right wing magazine) recently ran an article with data showing Reform has still not reached its ceiling, and about half of Tory voters would potentially switch.
They are indeed trying to become a party with broader base. But I haven't really heard a consistent view from them on economic policies. If immigration issues are solved and the contest boils down to purely economic issues, I don't think Reform will get the support it receives today because of their lack of experience governing the country.
If they offer something radical, people will be reminded of Liz Truss.
I think your right about if the immigration situation is resolved then Reform will fall back substantially. Many, including governments have tried to sweep it under the carpet. Telling people that any concerns means you are racists, Nazis, knuckle draggers, uneducated and anything else to try to shut down any discussion. Crimes committed by the indigenous population is often mentioned as somehow that makes it all better and we should not mention that we now willingly import even more criminals. If past and present governments had treated those that raised concerns with respect and actually tackled the situation then I doubt Reform would be anywhere close to where they are now."
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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Yet if you’re Nigel Farage’s nephew you can get away with upskirting women completely scot free.
What has Farage got to do with that?
It's all relative!"
Oh stop it, that could be the 2026 award for on day 7 |
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"A new poll of users of hugely popular and influential website Mumsnet finds that Reform is now the most popular party ahead of Labour, whose support has fallen from 40% to 18%.
Is Farage becoming a respectable choice for Middle England? "
The poll shows that 20% of Mumsnet users say they will vote Reform. That means that 80% of them won't; and 82% won't vote Labour.
That would seem to indicate that the vast majority of Mumsnet users don't buy either flavour of bullshit.
It's something that nobody talks about any more, but 40% of voters didn't even bother showing up at the last general election.
That figure works in favour of all the current political parties - none of whom have popular support - and against everyone who wants to live in a representative democracy.
Maybe Reform are the solution to that problem. Doesn't seem likely. |
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"As an aside.According to a poll by Wisp, the dating app that prioritises getting singletons meeting face-to-face, Reform UK voters have officially been crowned the number one political ‘ick’ among British singles.
Almost three-quarters (72%) of respondents said they’d be “put off” if they found out a match on a dating app was a Reform supporter. 😂"
That's not surprising. YouGov - voting intention - 05.01.2026 - Reform 26%.
Almost 3/4 of voters want nothing to do with them; and YouGov was co-founded by Zahawi - who has now joined Reform. |
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If reform does get in, thibg will be very interesting as to what happens next.
As both protesting and unions are currently protected under article 11 of the ECHR, when farage takes us out of the ECHR. It could be the end of unions, as those protrsts could be a thing of the past.
I know several companies I do business with, can't wait for it to happen. As the unions will be kicked out, if you go on strike you will be sacked. God help the workforce with pay rises. |
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"If reform does get in, thibg will be very interesting as to what happens next.
As both protesting and unions are currently protected under article 11 of the ECHR, when farage takes us out of the ECHR. It could be the end of unions, as those protrsts could be a thing of the past.
I know several companies I do business with, can't wait for it to happen. As the unions will be kicked out, if you go on strike you will be sacked. God help the workforce with pay rises."
If you go on strike, you can still be sacked. The ECHR doesn't really do much to protect you, just like it doesn't really do much to protect your freedom of speech either. A company can always invent numerous reasons to sack someone. |
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"If reform does get in, thibg will be very interesting as to what happens next.
As both protesting and unions are currently protected under article 11 of the ECHR, when farage takes us out of the ECHR. It could be the end of unions, as those protrsts could be a thing of the past."
This keeps coming up from those that oppose Farage. When have Farage or Reform said that they intend to remove any powers from the unions? |
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