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The pieces are in their final manoeuvres, the stage is almost set. The US and all Middle Eastern countries have gone into final position. Personnel have been moved and evacuated, missile and anti-missile systems are almost in place and the region is braced. It seems inevitable now - probably within 24-48h.
This is extremely tense for pretty much everyone in the region, most especially Iran, but also others.
Whatever happens (or doesn't happen), let's hope it's the best outcome and leads to a lasting peace. |
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But what is the end plan? Trump can bomb till the cows come home but without removing most of the current regime and having a credible administration to take over almost immediately there will be chaos. Different factions are likely to vie for control and this has all the makings of another Syrian/Libyan Arab spring type uprising. |
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How long has Iran been the center of all things bad in the region if not the world?
Let's face it, will it ever be at peace?
When you are dealing with extremist views then throw oil into the melting pot and it's a fooking mess.
If the US thinks they can swoop in and resolve it I'm afraid they are very wrong.
I'm not sure war is the answer. |
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Unless whatever happens has the same impact in taking out the higher echelons as the Israelis did last year then it'll be very difficult to topple the regime ..
They won't take out the ayatollah as that's not the done thing..
Boots won't be on the ground either..
Threats and moving personnel won't be enough..
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Iran, culturally, is very, very different to the Arab countries. And this operation is likely to be coordinated with a massive network on the ground and many years of intelligence gathering and infiltration.
There is reason to hope, unless greed gets in the way.
There is also the knock-on impact for Lebanon, Yemen, Kurdistan and further. |
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By *ydaz70Man 16 weeks ago
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"Unless whatever happens has the same impact in taking out the higher echelons as the Israelis did last year then it'll be very difficult to topple the regime ..
They won't take out the ayatollah as that's not the done thing..
Boots won't be on the ground either..
Threats and moving personnel won't be enough..
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I'd make him my first target religion is at the heart of all evil |
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"Unless whatever happens has the same impact in taking out the higher echelons as the Israelis did last year then it'll be very difficult to topple the regime ..
They won't take out the ayatollah as that's not the done thing..
Boots won't be on the ground either..
Threats and moving personnel won't be enough..
I'd make him my first target religion is at the heart of all evil"
Doing that would be a hugely risky issue, similar to targeting the Pope in the eyes of other Shia's.. |
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"Unless whatever happens has the same impact in taking out the higher echelons as the Israelis did last year then it'll be very difficult to topple the regime ..
They won't take out the ayatollah as that's not the done thing..
Boots won't be on the ground either..
Threats and moving personnel won't be enough..
I'd make him my first target religion is at the heart of all evil"
No its not, people using religion and other excuses are the ones who are evil..
Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler were all evil without a religious ideology..
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"Don't rule out the extent to which Israel's amazing intelligence services may have infiltrated Iran's leadership."
They did well last year yes but Iran will have looked at each of those who were targeted so effectively then and learned from it, one thinks..
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By *otMe66Man 16 weeks ago
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"Don't rule out the extent to which Israel's amazing intelligence services may have infiltrated Iran's leadership."
The resistance to Israel has been weak with Israel seemingly commanding Iranian airspace. The attacks that weakened Iran were specific and personal in terms of taking out scientists and military leaders. Now the top prize and the signal of hope to the people of Iran surely must be the Ayatollah, but what would that mean on the world stage if the US or Israel took him out.
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By *ydaz70Man 16 weeks ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"Unless whatever happens has the same impact in taking out the higher echelons as the Israelis did last year then it'll be very difficult to topple the regime ..
They won't take out the ayatollah as that's not the done thing..
Boots won't be on the ground either..
Threats and moving personnel won't be enough..
I'd make him my first target religion is at the heart of all evil
Doing that would be a hugely risky issue, similar to targeting the Pope in the eyes of other Shia's.."
and the pope can do one as well all churches mosques temples synagogue should be shut down and religion banned |
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"Unless whatever happens has the same impact in taking out the higher echelons as the Israelis did last year then it'll be very difficult to topple the regime ..
They won't take out the ayatollah as that's not the done thing..
Boots won't be on the ground either..
Threats and moving personnel won't be enough..
I'd make him my first target religion is at the heart of all evil
Doing that would be a hugely risky issue, similar to targeting the Pope in the eyes of other Shia's.. and the pope can do one as well all churches mosques temples synagogue should be shut down and religion banned "
Tbh its a point that's been made before but perhaps worth doing another thread about that? |
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"Don't rule out the extent to which Israel's amazing intelligence services may have infiltrated Iran's leadership.
The resistance to Israel has been weak with Israel seemingly commanding Iranian airspace. The attacks that weakened Iran were specific and personal in terms of taking out scientists and military leaders. Now the top prize and the signal of hope to the people of Iran surely must be the Ayatollah, but what would that mean on the world stage if the US or Israel took him out.
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Only my uneducated guess but Id think they would try and undermine / eliminate those beneath him. |
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Having Trump in charge doesn't give me much or any confidence that he'd easily manage to achieve great things for the masses in Iran. He's not much of a peacemaker and I'm unsure he achieved much as a businessman, in his former role, apart from helping to put others out of business and use things to his own advantage |
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"Regime change has been such a succ
essful policy in the past, hasn't it. But am sure you all believe somehow Iran will be different. "
It's been a complete crock yes, abd i dont think anyone on here is saying yeah let's do it..
Tbh whatever any of us think on here whatever happens or doesn't is down to trump.. |
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Mind blowing really that the US, who along with the UK couped a democratically elected Iranian government in the 50s, leading to the western puppet Shah pushing through an agenda of torture of his political opponents with help from the CIA & Mossad, the Shah also pursuing a policy of westernisation on steroids, thus pissing the Conservative religious elements of Iran’s population off, thus leading to the 1979 revolution, yes it’s mind blowing that this ultimately self centred western nation that sells itself as ‘the beacon of freedom & democracy’ gets away with its blatant double standards.
All the US is doing here is trying to sort its own 70+ year old mess out, whilst still undoubtedly trying to line its own pockets whilst doing so.
Just sayin. But yeah #freedom! |
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"Mind blowing really that the US, who along with the UK couped a democratically elected Iranian government in the 50s, leading to the western puppet Shah pushing through an agenda of torture of his political opponents with help from the CIA & Mossad, the Shah also pursuing a policy of westernisation on steroids, thus pissing the Conservative religious elements of Iran’s population off, thus leading to the 1979 revolution, yes it’s mind blowing that this ultimately self centred western nation that sells itself as ‘the beacon of freedom & democracy’ gets away with its blatant double standards.
All the US is doing here is trying to sort its own 70+ year old mess out, whilst still undoubtedly trying to line its own pockets whilst doing so.
Just sayin. But yeah #freedom!"
You know.. Most people and politicians from the 1950s aren't even alive today. |
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"Mind blowing really that the US, who along with the UK couped a democratically elected Iranian government in the 50s, leading to the western puppet Shah pushing through an agenda of torture of his political opponents with help from the CIA & Mossad, the Shah also pursuing a policy of westernisation on steroids, thus pissing the Conservative religious elements of Iran’s population off, thus leading to the 1979 revolution, yes it’s mind blowing that this ultimately self centred western nation that sells itself as ‘the beacon of freedom & democracy’ gets away with its blatant double standards.
All the US is doing here is trying to sort its own 70+ year old mess out, whilst still undoubtedly trying to line its own pockets whilst doing so.
Just sayin. But yeah #freedom!
You know.. Most people and politicians from the 1950s aren't even alive today."
Is that supposed to be some kind of excuse?
Plenty of issues still exist in the world today because of the ‘wisdom’ of those who went before & anyway it’s not as if the US has changed its behaviour that much is it?
They still seem into regime change to me ‘Donroe Doctrine’, threats to take Greenland etc |
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"Mind blowing really that the US, who along with the UK couped a democratically elected Iranian government in the 50s, leading to the western puppet Shah pushing through an agenda of torture of his political opponents with help from the CIA & Mossad, the Shah also pursuing a policy of westernisation on steroids, thus pissing the Conservative religious elements of Iran’s population off, thus leading to the 1979 revolution, yes it’s mind blowing that this ultimately self centred western nation that sells itself as ‘the beacon of freedom & democracy’ gets away with its blatant double standards.
All the US is doing here is trying to sort its own 70+ year old mess out, whilst still undoubtedly trying to line its own pockets whilst doing so.
Just sayin. But yeah #freedom!
You know.. Most people and politicians from the 1950s aren't even alive today.
Is that supposed to be some kind of excuse?
Plenty of issues still exist in the world today because of the ‘wisdom’ of those who went before & anyway it’s not as if the US has changed its behaviour that much is it?
They still seem into regime change to me ‘Donroe Doctrine’, threats to take Greenland etc "
Not an excuse. It makes zero logical sense to judge a country's actions today by its actions about 7 decades back. What you call "double standards" is comparing the actions of two completely different governments.
Btw I don't believe that Trump would help Iran out of a sense of morality. There is no morality in geo politics. It has always been about self interest. It applies to all the countries. And America under Trump isn't any different.
I don't understand whining about what Trump does or doesn't do in what looks like a legit attempt by the people of Iran to overthrow their scumbag dictator. |
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"Mind blowing really that the US, who along with the UK couped a democratically elected Iranian government in the 50s, leading to the western puppet Shah pushing through an agenda of torture of his political opponents with help from the CIA & Mossad, the Shah also pursuing a policy of westernisation on steroids, thus pissing the Conservative religious elements of Iran’s population off, thus leading to the 1979 revolution, yes it’s mind blowing that this ultimately self centred western nation that sells itself as ‘the beacon of freedom & democracy’ gets away with its blatant double standards.
All the US is doing here is trying to sort its own 70+ year old mess out, whilst still undoubtedly trying to line its own pockets whilst doing so.
Just sayin. But yeah #freedom!
You know.. Most people and politicians from the 1950s aren't even alive today.
Is that supposed to be some kind of excuse?
Plenty of issues still exist in the world today because of the ‘wisdom’ of those who went before & anyway it’s not as if the US has changed its behaviour that much is it?
They still seem into regime change to me ‘Donroe Doctrine’, threats to take Greenland etc
Not an excuse. It makes zero logical sense to judge a country's actions today by its actions about 7 decades back. What you call "double standards" is comparing the actions of two completely different governments.
Btw I don't believe that Trump would help Iran out of a sense of morality. There is no morality in geo politics. It has always been about self interest. It applies to all the countries. And America under Trump isn't any different.
I don't understand whining about what Trump does or doesn't do in what looks like a legit attempt by the people of Iran to overthrow their scumbag dictator."
One thing I will say about Trump is at least he doesn’t seem to hide as much behind the usual US half truths of doing stuff solely in the name of freedom & democracy.
As you say, no morality in geopolitics & it’s actually offensive the US think we are all stupid enough to still believe their nonsense. So in that sense, Trump is to be applauded because the rest of the globe knows now what the USA’s prime motives are if they already didn’t. He has pulled the curtain back on their BS.
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One thing I will say about Trump is at least he doesn’t seem to hide as much behind the usual US half truths of doing stuff solely in the name of freedom & democracy.
As you say, no morality in geopolitics & it’s actually offensive the US think we are all stupid enough to still believe their nonsense. So in that sense, Trump is to be applauded because the rest of the globe knows now what the USA’s prime motives are if they already didn’t. He has pulled the curtain back on their BS.
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Good point, actually.  |
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One thing I will say about Trump is at least he doesn’t seem to hide as much behind the usual US half truths of doing stuff solely in the name of freedom & democracy.
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That's true. His recent statements about International law, while not a great look, is actually quite honest. |
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Looks like Trump isn’t going in for now though he might change his mind again by tomorrow. The Iranians have stopped the killing & won’t be executing anybody he says.
I’m guessing the messaging from the Saudis worked.
Hurrah. No more forever wars etc.
Does this mean his new 25% tariffs on anybody doing business with Iran are off again now? I can’t keep up with him. |
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"Reports of between 15,000 and 50,000 murdered by the regime. Clearly the terror has been effective for now, but hopefully not for ever.😔😔😔"
 Where are the weekly protests? The forum threads that fill within half a day? The slogans, Persian Action hunger strikers...
Clearly nothing to see here.
Could it be that many of those who turned out for those marches... quietly and tacitly approve (on the down-low)? |
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"Reports of between 15,000 and 50,000 murdered by the regime. Clearly the terror has been effective for now, but hopefully not for ever.😔😔😔
Where are the weekly protests? The forum threads that fill within half a day? The slogans, Persian Action hunger strikers...
Clearly nothing to see here.
Could it be that many of those who turned out for those marches... quietly and tacitly approve (on the down-low)?"
No words really 💔 |
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